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Ibar_Harry
03-18-2007, 01:30 PM
"Here are the 1st 9 draft choices from ESPN:
1. Oakland 2-14 .555
2. Detroit 3-13 .479
3. Cleveland 4-12 .535
4. Tampa Bay 4-12 .535
5. Arizona 5-11 .500
6. Washington 5-11 .512
7. Minnesota 6-10 .539
8. Houston 6-10 .500
9. Miami 6-10 .504 "

Now Carr has been rumored to Cleveland, Oakland, Tampa Bay, Minnesota & Washington. Some have even mentioned Detroit. There are two QB's in the draft rated in the top 6 prospects. Given the draft order and all the you know what thrown out on this board, why would any of those teams consider Carr if all of you really do know how bad he is. Reality is if any team having any questions would draft both of these QB's and not trade with the Texans unless it was the trade of the century.

If Carr is traded it probably will be to someone below the Texans in the draft in order to pick up additional picks. I think the most likely candidate would shock people and I will leave it at that. I think the Texans in this case are going to keep Carr and shoot for someone other than a QB as their top draft pick.

The hand wringing is going to go on for some time, but I believe that is the jist of the situation. All of the nonsense being thrown about on this board is making the situtation worse for the Texans and David. If David remains, I think its about 40-60, then a very nasty fan situation has been set up and the Texans had better have shored up their O-line and WR positions along with picking up the FB from GB. I still think you will be surprised at what Carr can do if he can get some confidence back that he has protection.

He has at times withstood the onslaught and made some excellent throws. Its hard to stand in there when you are being blasted all of the time. In addition, as I have so often said, he needs to be able to call his plays so he can run a 2 minute offense. I think the coaches continue to make the situtation worse rather than better. He needs to be able to grow into the position. His development is being stiffled by the imposed limits. Lets take the handcuffs off and see what he is capable of doing on his own.

If you are never allowed to make the full range of decisions on your own, you will never learn to make them. This has been a repeated process with coaches that want to control everything. Dungy is an example of one who lets his QB do what is necessary with input when necessary. You will say Carr is no Manning and that is true, but Manning would not be what he is if he hadn't been allowed to grow into the position. Ely is having the same problem in NY. The NY coach and DOM are so much a like its not even funny and that's why Ely is not growing in the position. Ely is another one who needs to go somewhere else if he's going to rise to the top.

tulexan
03-18-2007, 01:40 PM
I thought there were 20 teams interested in him?

Ibar_Harry
03-18-2007, 01:42 PM
I thought there were 20 teams interested in him?

Yea, I'm referring to the trade up scenario that everyone is talking about. I just can't see it happening at this time.

Honoring Earl 34
03-18-2007, 01:42 PM
Sherlock Holmes could not solve the Carr mystery .

aj.
03-18-2007, 01:47 PM
Sherlock Holmes could not solve the Carr mystery .

There is no mystery. As a QB, he sucks.

tulexan
03-18-2007, 01:48 PM
Yea, I'm referring to the trade up scenario that everyone is talking about. I just can't see it happening at this time.

We probably won't trade up, but we also probably won't keep him. If he can get us a 4th round pick then we will take it.

TwinSisters
03-18-2007, 01:54 PM
The hand wringing is going to go on for some time, but I believe that is the jist of the situation. All of the nonsense being thrown about on this board is making the situtation worse for the Texans and David.

Great.

Now it's the fans' fault too.

Or actually good, cause now the fans have casus belli to bum rush the field on opening day.

HoustonFrog
03-18-2007, 01:55 PM
The Texans have also been looking for extra picks and the excuse to trade down. Carolina and a few other teams would fit the bill perfectly.

tulexan
03-18-2007, 02:03 PM
The hand wringing is going to go on for some time, but I believe that is the jist of the situation. All of the nonsense being thrown about on this board is making the situtation worse for the Texans and David.

There is one way for David to fix that. Play better. Lead his receivers, throw a majority of his passes beyond the line of scrimmage (maybe even a few beyond the first down line), don't fumble as much, don't lock in on his receivers, don't get several balls tipped at the line of scrimmage every game, and that is just the tip of the iceberg.

bigcarlos
03-18-2007, 02:05 PM
There is no mystery. As a QB, he sucks.
NO mystery at all:this:

Malloy
03-18-2007, 02:18 PM
At this time, I would be willing to trade our #8 pick to a later-first-round pick if someone would just take his contract...

afcman
03-18-2007, 02:21 PM
Well, this is one reason why I would've like to have gotten Garcia for this next season. I think next year there will be far more QB's available. It's pretty thin this year. I don't mind keeping Carr.....but as a backup.

MATRIX
03-18-2007, 04:09 PM
On 20 mock draft sites, 3 have us taking AP(real nickname AD). I don't look at random ones just the ones that over the last 3 years have been 90% right.

On 5 they have us taking Quinn.

The rest have us taking Lynch or Peterson, including 2 that have us taking Lynch over peterson due to injury concerns and Lynch having better hands.

So, go figure. We will probably grab on O-lineman or D-lineman. Only 1 has us with a possible chance to grab Landry. And not 1 has us taking any of the mentioned QBs(Kolb, Stanton, Beck), but rather a guy who would be a backup if he made the team in the 7th.

Ole Miss Texan
03-18-2007, 04:13 PM
On 20 mock draft sites, 3 have us taking AP(real nickname AD). I don't look at random ones just the ones that over the last 3 years have been 90% right.

On 5 they have us taking Quinn.

The rest have us taking Lynch or Peterson, including 2 that have us taking Lynch over peterson due to injury concerns and Lynch having better hands.

So, go figure. We will probably grab on O-lineman or D-lineman. Only 1 has us with a possible chance to grab Landry. And not 1 has us taking any of the mentioned QBs(Kolb, Stanton, Beck), but rather a guy who would be a backup if he made the team in the 7th.

which 20 mock draft websites are you looking at? i'd love to keep up with their predictions up to the draft.

no offense but over the past three years i find it very hard to believe these site got 90% of their mocks right. i'd be surprised if 1 got one right over the past 3 years.

NATHANHALE
03-18-2007, 04:42 PM
"Here are the 1st 9 draft choices from ESPN:
1. Oakland 2-14 .555
2. Detroit 3-13 .479
3. Cleveland 4-12 .535
4. Tampa Bay 4-12 .535
5. Arizona 5-11 .500
6. Washington 5-11 .512
7. Minnesota 6-10 .539
8. Houston 6-10 .500
9. Miami 6-10 .504 "

Now Carr has been rumored to Cleveland, Oakland, Tampa Bay, Minnesota & Washington. Some have even mentioned Detroit. There are two QB's in the draft rated in the top 6 prospects. Given the draft order and all the you know what thrown out on this board, why would any of those teams consider Carr if all of you really do know how bad he is. Reality is if any team having any questions would draft both of these QB's and not trade with the Texans unless it was the trade of the century.

If Carr is traded it probably will be to someone below the Texans in the draft in order to pick up additional picks. I think the most likely candidate would shock people and I will leave it at that. I think the Texans in this case are going to keep Carr and shoot for someone other than a QB as their top draft pick.

The hand wringing is going to go on for some time, but I believe that is the jist of the situation. All of the nonsense being thrown about on this board is making the situtation worse for the Texans and David. If David remains, I think its about 40-60, then a very nasty fan situation has been set up and the Texans had better have shored up their O-line and WR positions along with picking up the FB from GB. I still think you will be surprised at what Carr can do if he can get some confidence back that he has protection.

He has at times withstood the onslaught and made some excellent throws. Its hard to stand in there when you are being blasted all of the time. In addition, as I have so often said, he needs to be able to call his plays so he can run a 2 minute offense. I think the coaches continue to make the situtation worse rather than better. He needs to be able to grow into the position. His development is being stiffled by the imposed limits. Lets take the handcuffs off and see what he is capable of doing on his own.

If you are never allowed to make the full range of decisions on your own, you will never learn to make them. This has been a repeated process with coaches that want to control everything. Dungy is an example of one who lets his QB do what is necessary with input when necessary. You will say Carr is no Manning and that is true, but Manning would not be what he is if he hadn't been allowed to grow into the position. Ely is having the same problem in NY. The NY coach and DOM are so much a like its not even funny and that's why Ely is not growing in the position. Ely is another one who needs to go somewhere else if he's going to rise to the top.

...no other QB in the NFL calls his own plays-not Manning/Brady/Brees...Carr can't run the plays called for him/can't read a defense/can't get rid of the ball in sync with the right 'step' that OL/WR are keying off,etc....get over it-ain't gonna happen...

...and didn't you say you were done making excuses for David?

MATRIX
03-18-2007, 04:55 PM
which 20 mock draft websites are you looking at? i'd love to keep up with their predictions up to the draft.

no offense but over the past three years i find it very hard to believe these site got 90% of their mocks right. i'd be surprised if 1 got one right over the past 3 years.


I'm only counting who WE took...not the rest.

I normaly goto: http://www.djnflmockdraft.com/mocklisting.htm

And then just follow certian ones. You have to pick and choose. Some have VERY odd trades as well.

Marcus
03-18-2007, 04:58 PM
At this time, I would be willing to trade our #8 pick to a later-first-round pick if someone would just take his contract...

I think that's a fantastic idea. It's too bad they would never consider that.

QB75
03-18-2007, 11:00 PM
Hope you are right. But we won't know if we get to keep him until draft day, when anything can happen.

South Texan
03-19-2007, 01:18 AM
I have a feeling that if we draft a QB it will be Kolb in round 3 if he is there. Unless someone makes us a good offer on Carr (third round, or maybe a 4'th and 6'th), I think he spends at least 1 more year here. Going into camp, Sage is starter, Carr is backup and Kolb is project under development. I am basing a lot of this on a rumor I heard that Kubiak sees something he likes in Kolb. And I do kind of hate the thought of the money involved to have 2 first round QB's on the roster, i.e. what it costs us elsewhere.

One of the biggest needs is in the secondary, and since there hasn't been any FA activity there, I am looking for us to use the 1'st and 4'th or 5'th round picks there. Landry as our first pick doesn't seem too far out of reach to me. I am really hoping they don't go Levi Brown in the first as that probably means Spencer is out for at least a big chunk of the year.

All in all, I can see a lot of scenarios, but I think Spencer's availablity is going to have a major influence on how they go this year. I am keeping my fingers crossed that Spencer is back day 1 at full strength and that we can pick up Kalil (center) in round 2. Sage and, dare I say it, even Carr might look OK behind that line. Who knows, Carr may even regain confidence in himself, confidence of his teammates, and even the love of the Houston fans. Hey... that's not that far a stretch, people have very short memories when it comes to politics, why not the same for football?

El Tejano
03-19-2007, 12:17 PM
Carr is going to be a draft day deal.

texans83
03-19-2007, 12:22 PM
Carr is going to be a draft day deal.

I agree. I really think kubes loves BQ and find someway to move up a couple spots to make sure minn does not pick him up. I would like to see BQ here and let sage takes the role as starter depending on how well he does will depend on when BQ starts.

TEXANRED
03-19-2007, 05:32 PM
Great.

Now it's the fans' fault too.

Or actually good, cause now the fans have casus belli to bum rush the field on opening day.

That reminded me of the Bud Commercial with Leon.

Funny stuff.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3BkIh1R5utY

QB75
03-19-2007, 09:45 PM
Carr is going to be a draft day deal.

This is so predictable. First, Jake Plummer was going to be on the first plane to Houston. Then Carr was going to be gone during free agency. Now Carr is going to be gone "on draft day". Keep pushing out the timeline. Pretty soon you'll be to training camp.

:dance2:

HJam72
03-19-2007, 10:02 PM
This is so predictable. First, Jake Plummer was going to be on the first plane to Houston. Then Carr was going to be gone during free agency. Now Carr is going to be gone "on draft day". Keep pushing out the timeline. Pretty soon you'll be to training camp.

:dance2:

2007 or 2008?

QB75
03-19-2007, 10:03 PM
2007 or 2008?

Hopefully both.

HoustonFrog
03-19-2007, 10:24 PM
This is so predictable. First, Jake Plummer was going to be on the first plane to Houston. Then Carr was going to be gone during free agency. Now Carr is going to be gone "on draft day". Keep pushing out the timeline. Pretty soon you'll be to training camp.

:dance2:

You are foolish if you think the Plummer thing is off. I'd put money on him reappearing this next year and I would think Kubes, if they gained picks in the draft, would make a move. I just don't think it is dead for team out that that isn't TB. They just want the money and he didn't want to be in their system. Does this mean I want him, etc..no, I'm just saying that I doubt that drama is dead.

I guess being a pure fan of Carr and not the team involves wanting a guy to suffer with a team while having the team fall apart with him on it...hmmm :)

HJam72
03-19-2007, 10:26 PM
At this point, I wish Carr all the best, and I hope the Colts give him a boatload of money, lol. A guy can dream.

QB75
03-19-2007, 10:34 PM
You are foolish if you think the Plummer thing is off. I'd put money on him reappearing this next year and I would think Kubes, if they gained picks in the draft, would make a move. I just don't think it is dead for team out that that isn't TB. They just want the money and he didn't want to be in their system.

I guess being a pure fan of Carr and not the team involves wanting a guy to suffer with a team while having the team fall apart with him on it. :)

I guess.

TXurias
03-19-2007, 10:39 PM
I 'm excited about the next season, even with Carr as QB. We signed a LT through free agency so I think we should address the secondary by taking Landry in the first. We can focus on OL in 2nd and hopefully take Kolb in third. Has anyone heard what's the deal with Jerome Mathis, is he going to be playing WR next year?

neeko15
03-20-2007, 01:46 AM
anyone want oliner's here? anyone? any takers? lol seriously yes carr has shown his ups and downs (the obvious more downs), but if we had a top oline in the NFL right now, and the rest of the team surrounded you dont think we'd be better? the whole team needs a lot of revamping and there far from contention. but i think carr deserves his chance to be protected well, then we can judge.

NATHANHALE
03-20-2007, 04:44 AM
This is so predictable. First, Jake Plummer was going to be on the first plane to Houston. Then Carr was going to be gone during free agency. Now Carr is going to be gone "on draft day". Keep pushing out the timeline. Pretty soon you'll be to training camp.

:dance2:

Yea, whatever happened to those 20 teams 'knocking' on Carr's door?

NATHANHALE
03-20-2007, 04:46 AM
anyone want oliner's here? anyone? any takers? lol seriously yes carr has shown his ups and downs (the obvious more downs), but if we had a top oline in the NFL right now, and the rest of the team surrounded you dont think we'd be better? the whole team needs a lot of revamping and there far from contention. but i think carr deserves his chance to be protected well, then we can judge.


...wow, a 'new' thought...notttttttttttttttttttt

HoustonFrog
03-20-2007, 07:48 AM
Ok, Frog.. you're ready to jump on Plummer coming back this year with your Money.. I'm willing to take a large piece of that action. Just PM me with an amount that you want to risk. :texan:

Gambling is illegal:). But you might get a PM still about "other" things. My theory is that Plummer wanted to come here. We didn't want to give up our initial picks. He didn't want TB so he retired. If we attained other picks, we could still use one. This could be a trade down or from a Carr deal. That or another team he would want to "unretire" to. Just a gut feeling....and again not something I'm saying we need to do...just a feeling.

QB75
03-20-2007, 07:12 PM
Yea, whatever happened to those 20 teams 'knocking' on Carr's door?

There is still significant interest, although twenty teams is overstating it. I'm not sure where that number came from. The real number is more like 6 or 7.

Nevertheleless, the Texans have not decided to let him go.

Honoring Earl 34
03-20-2007, 10:47 PM
There is still significant interest, although twenty teams is overstating it. I'm not sure where that number came from. The real number is more like 6 or 7.

Nevertheleless, the Texans have not decided to let him go.

It came from 75 jr.

QB75
03-20-2007, 11:12 PM
It came from 75 jr.

Well, it isn't 20 teams. There aren't nearly 20 teams that need a QB.

HoustonFrog
03-21-2007, 09:33 AM
I think a legit team that would want him below us is the Panthers. They have Delhomme who showed he was getting older and having some problems last year and they have Weinke and other scrubs backing him up. QB is a huge need for them, especially when you have a WR that can change games and can get open on almost anyone.

The Pencil Neck
03-21-2007, 12:10 PM
I think a legit team that would want him below us is the Panthers. They have Delhomme who showed he was getting older and having some problems last year and they have Weinke and other scrubs backing him up. QB is a huge need for them, especially when you have a WR that can change games and can get open on almost anyone.

They cut Weinke.

HoustonFrog
03-21-2007, 12:11 PM
They cut Weinke.

Well there you go then. They need a guy more than ever. You have to replace the losingest QB in NFL history with someone:) They still really only have Delhomme.

Vinny
03-21-2007, 12:19 PM
Delhomme is a better QB than Carr is....I don't think it is even close. In 2005 and 06 Delhomme had 53 TD (29 in 2005 and 24 in 2006) passes. Last year he struggled and only had 17 but that is a career year for Carr. What he is, is older though. He isn't an ideal physical specimen and he needs better protection to produce. I don't think he is finished at all.

QB75
03-21-2007, 01:16 PM
There is no mystery. As a QB, he sucks.

As an evaluator of QBs, you have a long way to go.

HoustonFrog
03-21-2007, 09:35 PM
Delhomme is a better QB than Carr is....I don't think it is even close. In 2005 and 06 Delhomme had 53 TD (29 in 2005 and 24 in 2006) passes. Last year he struggled and only had 17 but that is a career year for Carr. What he is, is older though. He isn't an ideal physical specimen and he needs better protection to produce. I don't think he is finished at all.

Vinny, I didn't mean Carr would be there to start. I just meant Delhomme was a little fragile last year and it hurt them bad. Carr would be the back-up and insurance. I agree with you assessment though. This may be moot now..who is looking.