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Texian
03-11-2007, 08:00 PM
POSTED 7:56 p.m. EST, March 11, 2007

ZGONINA CLOSE TO DEAL WITH TEXANS

A league source tells us that veteran defensive tackle Jeff Zgonina is close to striking a deal with the Houston Texans.

Zgonina, who has spent the last four seasons with the Dolphins, has played with a total of six franchises. He appeared in 14 games in 2006, with two starts.

In our view, the no-nonsense veteran could help to light a fire under the No. 1 overall pick in last year's draft, defensive end Mario Williams.

Overalls
03-11-2007, 08:07 PM
He will be 37 in May and has a career 23.5 sacks. I can't see this being some great FA move.

freedoggy77
03-11-2007, 08:08 PM
this is a pretty good pick-up except that he is old. but if we draft Landry we can have a DOMINATING D-FENCE

autch14
03-11-2007, 08:08 PM
where did you get this from?

gtexan02
03-11-2007, 08:10 PM
I say depending on the money, its a great pickup. A vet with a good track record of being healthy can provide valuable depth to a position we need depth at

Hervoyel
03-11-2007, 08:12 PM
this is a pretty good pick-up except that he is old. but if we draft Landry we can have a DOMINATING D-FENCE


I agree. If we draft Landry we can have a "DOMINATING D-FENCE". Whether or not we sign Jeff Zgonina though will have absolutely no impact on that.

houstonhurricane
03-11-2007, 08:16 PM
I think this confirms it will be Landry...

autch14
03-11-2007, 08:19 PM
How does getting this DT confirm us getting landry?

TwinSisters
03-11-2007, 08:20 PM
he looks like Sam the American Eagle from the Muppet Show.

Dime
03-11-2007, 08:20 PM
I think this confirms it will be Landry...


Oh really.. and you figured this out that he is a sure pick how?

football freak
03-11-2007, 08:22 PM
in an interview while in houston, Zgonina himself said he isn't very mobile anymore. He said he was more of a run stopper. Why do we see this as a significant pickup. We need younger players who can pressure the QB. Looks like another player who won't contribute but will take away from the money we could spend to sign someone who can.

houstonhurricane
03-11-2007, 08:27 PM
Oh really.. and you figured this out that he is a sure pick how?

No need to be an @ss. I think it was down to a DT or Landry and this move should help solidify the line position. Isn't this a message board where people can publicy place their opinion? Or would you prefer I start another thread on ridding the franchise of Carr?

TheRealJoker
03-11-2007, 08:35 PM
I like Zgonina depending on the contract. He's a solid veteran that provides valuable insurance in case Travis Johnson decides to continue being outplayed by street free agents...and if he's still not healthy ;)

autch14
03-11-2007, 08:36 PM
i think it's either landry or quinn i know most people think he (Quinn) didn't show up in big games but i read somewhere that the notre dames defense did give up a average of like 35 points in each "big" game.

Texian
03-11-2007, 08:37 PM
where did you get this from?

http://www.profootballtalk.com/rumormill.htm

mikey21
03-11-2007, 08:56 PM
if the texans do sign this guy, all it means is that they do not have to draft for a need but can actually take the best player available on the board or try to move down and grab more picks, landry would be a good pick up but so would branch or okoye as well to help make the defense awesome

mexican_texan
03-11-2007, 09:00 PM
Just another coach...

threetoedpete
03-11-2007, 09:12 PM
Just another coach...

Agreed. Camp fodder. If he's on the opening day roster, I'll be shocked. Still waiting on a link for this information ?

Dunta_23
03-11-2007, 09:12 PM
This guy is strictly inexpensive depth most likely....he may/may not make it out of TC, depending on his mobility...if he is strong against the run, then why not add him if the price is right?

Texian
03-11-2007, 09:19 PM
Kubiak's new game plan: reviving George Allen's "Over the Hill Gang."

Next up: Here comes Vinnie Testeverde.

threetoedpete
03-11-2007, 09:31 PM
Kubiak's new game plan: reviving George Allen's "Over the Hill Gang."

Next up: Here comes Vinnie Testeverde.

Or Trent Green.

http://www.webmd.com/hw/foot_problems/hw114460.asp


The plantar fascia is the flat band of tissue (ligament) that connects your heel bone to your toes. It supports the arch of your foot. If you strain your plantar fascia, it gets weak, swollen, and irritated (inflamed). Then your heel or the bottom of your foot hurts when you stand or walk.

http://www.tpmassageball.com/footinjuries.php?sym=8&gclid=CKvf79OJ7ooCFQwbgQod5Cbklg

The last line was prety ignorant though of the writer. I've seen the effects of this injury. And Mario doesn't need any motivation or vindication. He should have went on IR right after the injury. And he didn't. He played on it the last half of the season, no compliants. In other words he played on a painful injury at a high level considering the injury . I don't think he needs to be motivated by anyone.

dtran04
03-11-2007, 09:33 PM
Is it true he was also a long snapper? That could play into the equation...

TEXANRED
03-11-2007, 09:34 PM
he looks like Sam the American Eagle from the Muppet Show.

He's blue?

Navy_Chris
03-11-2007, 09:42 PM
He will be 37 in May and has a career 23.5 sacks. I can't see this being some great FA move.

In terms of on-field production, you're probably right. In terms of veteran leadership and experience, it will be a great move.

NEROtheZERO
03-12-2007, 12:03 AM
This is simply Sam Cowart v2.0

Depth "just in case"

Ole Miss Texan
03-12-2007, 12:09 AM
WOW!!!! I just checked...

http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/4590

Never played for Denver OR Green Bay. I don't know where they are going with this guy.

Navy_Chris
03-12-2007, 12:11 AM
WOW!!!! I just checked...

http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/4590

Never played for Denver OR Green Bay. I don't know where they are going with this guy.

Maybe he once went to a doctor in Denver whn he was 12.

Ole Miss Texan
03-12-2007, 12:12 AM
but he does have 3 kick returns... 2 in 1994 while with the steelers and 1 in '97with the rams.

he does have one fumble to his credit...in '94. I'd be willing to bet it was one of his kick returns.

hahah i just love looking at D-Linemen Stats.

mexican_texan
03-12-2007, 12:14 AM
This is simply Sam Cowart v2.0

Depth "just in case"
So Zgonina is going to lose his job to the rookie of the year?

Navy_Chris
03-12-2007, 12:15 AM
I think he once dropped a bag of groceries when he was walking back to his car. Does that count as a fumble?

Navy_Chris
03-12-2007, 12:20 AM
A typical halftime speech in the Houston Texans' locker room goes something like this I bet:

"Hey guys, we're down 34-21. What's that all about? If we're gonna lose, let's do it right. I'll meet you guys back on the field in a half hour so we can get this game over with. I gotta go #2."

michaelm
03-12-2007, 12:40 AM
A typical halftime speech in the Houston Texans' locker room goes something like this I bet:

"Hey guys, we're down 34-21. What's that all about? If we're gonna lose, let's do it right. I'll meet you guys back on the field in a half hour so we can get this game over with. I gotta go #2."

Am I imagining things? You posted this exact same line in another thread... about DC, I think...

http://forums.houstontexans.com/showthread.php?p=623971#post623971

Navy_Chris
03-12-2007, 12:41 AM
Am I imagining things? You posted this exact same line in another thread... about DC, I think...

I wanted to make sure people saw it

michaelm
03-12-2007, 12:43 AM
I wanted to make sure people saw it

You must've been under the impression it was funny the first time...

Navy_Chris
03-12-2007, 12:44 AM
You must've been under the impression that it was funny the first time...

I got a little chuckle. I mean, it sounds like it could be true

STEEL BLUE TEXANS
03-12-2007, 12:44 AM
You must've been under the impression that it was funny the first time...



:heh:

TexansSB07
03-12-2007, 12:45 AM
I heard this was largely a rumor posted on PFT's Rumor Mill, so I give all the credibility of ESPN/Cold Pizza...two sources of more misinformation than Kremlin during Cold War ie...WORTHLESS

dirty steve
03-12-2007, 12:55 AM
Am I imagining things? You posted this exact same line in another thread... about DC, I think...

http://forums.houstontexans.com/showthread.php?p=623971#post623971

he did. thought i was seeing things also.

Insideop
03-12-2007, 12:58 AM
I heard this was largely a rumor posted on PFT's Rumor Mill, so I give all the credibility of ESPN/Cold Pizza...two sources of more misinformation than Kremlin during Cold War ie...WORTHLESS

I for one hope this rumor is false. We don't need old DT on this team. They breakdown too much (ie. Payne). We need younger more athletic DT's with a "high motor" (like Okoye)! :shades: JMHO!

Navy_Chris
03-12-2007, 12:58 AM
he did. thought i was seeing things also.


hey steve, you seem like you know a lot about football. tell me what you think of my idea:

You know how there are a ton of 6'7" and 6'8" basketball players with amazing vertical leaps? I think it would be a great idea if football teams took one of these tall guys with freakish vertical jumps and put them on special teams for the sole purpose of blocking field goals and extra points.

SamuraiSword
03-12-2007, 01:00 AM
I think this confirms it will be Landry...

no this just confirms that we are getting defense in the FA market and offense in the draft.

SamuraiSword
03-12-2007, 01:06 AM
POSTED 7:56 p.m. EST, March 11, 2007

ZGONINA CLOSE TO DEAL WITH TEXANS

A league source tells us that veteran defensive tackle Jeff Zgonina is close to striking a deal with the Houston Texans.

Zgonina, who has spent the last four seasons with the Dolphins, has played with a total of six franchises. He appeared in 14 games in 2006, with two starts.

In our view, the no-nonsense veteran could help to light a fire under the No. 1 overall pick in last year's draft, defensive end Mario Williams.

again I thought they said they were getting youth and out with the old???? CARR IS COMMING BACK!!! :cry2: Moulds didn't want to take another year of bad stats so he hoisted off to another team......

Navy_Chris
03-12-2007, 01:10 AM
again I thought they said they were getting youth and out with the old???? CARR IS COMMING BACK!!! :cry2: Moulds didn't want to take another year of bad stats so he hoisted off to another team......

Think about it. Would they release Moulds when Moulds was talking ___ about Carr if they were going to turn around and get rid of Carr? I don't think so.

OR

Maybe Kubiak wants to get rid of Carr AND acquire a fresh receiver through the draft....like CJ, Meachem, Rice etc etc.

Moving up to get CJ makes perfect sense to me. We send DC, our #8 pick and a 5th rounder in 08 to Oakland for their #1 in 07.

dirty steve
03-12-2007, 02:22 AM
Think about it. Would they release Moulds when Moulds was talking ___ about Carr if they were going to turn around and get rid of Carr? I don't think so.

OR

Maybe Kubiak wants to get rid of Carr AND acquire a fresh receiver through the draft....like CJ, Meachem, Rice etc etc.

Moving up to get CJ makes perfect sense to me. We send DC, our #8 pick and a 5th rounder in 08 to Oakland for their #1 in 07.
-i just dont see it. CJ is possibly the best talent in the draft this year, but i dont he makes sense on the Texans, both in draft value now and cap value in 6-7 years when his rookie contract is up (unless it is redone by then).
-if you want to think of making a move for a WR of Cj's ilk, you need to have that QB situation figured out first. having a bunch of WR's running around with no QB to get it to him makes no sense. i'd bring up the detroit situation but i already did that in another thread.

cj5776
03-12-2007, 02:57 AM
The only way the Oakland deal makes sense is if they turn around and trade the pick to Washington. It really seems like something is up between the Texans and Washington. Dump the Carr moving up and then complete the overal goal of getting Quin and more draft choices.

As far as Zgonina is concerned. I agree TJohnson is the one that needs a fire under him. Weaver and Kalu were very productive veteran DL and I'm sure this will be one more. Madux and TJohnson should start with Weaver and the other ends seeing some playing time at DT. Zgonia should be one back up along side the youngster that wins the other spot. Malone, Killings, ThomJohnson, are all solid canidates. This profiles sums it up best...


Has exceptional football intelligence and plays with leverage. Uses great pass-rush moves and hand placement to get off blocks. Won’t give up. Is undersized and can get engulfed. Must be on the move to be effective. Is aging quickly but is a fine No. 3 defensive tackle when rested.

dirty steve
03-12-2007, 03:01 AM
As far as Zgonina is concerned. I agree T. Johnson is the one that needs a fire under him. Weaver and Kalu were very productive veteran DL and I'm sure this will be one more. Maddox and T. Johnson should start with Weaver and the other ends seeing some playing time at DT. Zgonina should be one back up along side the youngster that wins the other spot. Malone, Killings, ThomJohnson, are all solid canidates. The profiles sums it up best...

I agree with the Kalu/Zgonina comparison whole-heartedly. Kalu's ability to not only be a pass rushing specialist but also a mentor to a #1 draft pick I am sure did wonders for Mario. Zgonina's presence an age alone should motivate TJ, in that it would be sad that a 37 year old veteran is getting more PT than you.

TwinSisters
03-12-2007, 04:32 AM
WOW!!!! I just checked...

http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/4590

Never played for Denver OR Green Bay. I don't know where they are going with this guy.

He would've played with Richard Smith 05' Dolphins

Scooter
03-12-2007, 04:48 AM
i'm not sure how this potential signing warrants 3 pages ... if we wanted an old guy and great leader we would've kept payne. payne actually has talent left if he can stay healthy and is the epitome of "never quit", zgonina is little more than camp fodder and a month of passing on experience if he signs. like someone else stated, he's cowart and also antwain smith ... here long enough to pass on learned experiences, nothing more.

as for comparing him to kalu, i think that's pretty unfair since kalu looked pretty dang good in both facets last year. kalu makes a great veteran backup to the two young ends - mario and babin, as well as being a kubiak guy and able to play inside if needed. kalu looked to me atleast that he can play at a high level but age has taken it's toll on his ability to play every down. kalu makes a fantastic backup.

Texan_Bill
03-12-2007, 09:07 AM
i'm not sure how this potential signing warrants 3 pages ... if we wanted an old guy and great leader we would've kept payne. payne actually has talent left if he can stay healthy and is the epitome of "never quit", zgonina is little more than camp fodder and a month of passing on experience if he signs. like someone else stated, he's cowart and also antwain smith ... here long enough to pass on learned experiences, nothing more.

as for comparing him to kalu, i think that's pretty unfair since kalu looked pretty dang good in both facets last year. kalu makes a great veteran backup to the two young ends - mario and babin, as well as being a kubiak guy and able to play inside if needed. kalu looked to me atleast that he can play at a high level but age has taken it's toll on his ability to play every down. kalu makes a fantastic backup.

I here what you are saying about Payne, but even you acknowledged the injuries. That coupled with his contract is what made it prohibitive to keep Payne around.

Maddict5
03-12-2007, 09:12 AM
POSTED 7:56 p.m. EST, March 11, 2007

ZGONINA CLOSE TO DEAL WITH TEXANS

A league source tells us that veteran defensive tackle Jeff Zgonina is close to striking a deal with the Houston Texans.

Zgonina, who has spent the last four seasons with the Dolphins, has played with a total of six franchises. He appeared in 14 games in 2006, with two starts.

In our view, the no-nonsense veteran could help to light a fire under the 2005 1st rd pick defensive tackle Travis Johnson.

fixed it :ok:

Scooter
03-12-2007, 09:19 AM
I here what you are saying about Payne, but even you acknowledged the injuries. That coupled with his contract is what made it prohibitive to keep Payne around.

yup. between his salary and the injuries i cant fault management in the least for letting him go. payne was one of my favorites because he was the biggest "hustle" player on the team. my argement is that i dont see any way that zgonina can improve on what payne's done. he wont start, wont get any legit playing time (if he makes the team which is unlikely), doesnt have anywhere near as much experience, and cant be better as far as a good example. this potential signing is baseless IMO. if we want a good example with experience, resign payne to vet minimum ... atleast he's got experience with the coaching staff and system.

houstonhurricane
03-12-2007, 09:23 AM
no this just confirms that we are getting defense in the FA market and offense in the draft.


I disagree...

Texian
03-14-2007, 11:54 AM
The deal is finally done and official.

Texans | Team signs Zgonina
Wed, 14 Mar 2007 07:38:11 -0800

Len Pasquarelli, of ESPN.com, reports the Houston Texans have signed free agent DT Jeff Zgonina (Dolphins) to a two-year contract. The deal is worth slightly more than $2 million and includes a signing bonus of $250,000.

Nawzer
03-14-2007, 12:15 PM
Don't expect much from him. He's probably going to be a backup but more importantly provide some experience to the d-line.

DRAMA
03-14-2007, 12:19 PM
Don't expect much from him. He's probably going to be a backup but more importantly provide some experience to the d-line.

But are there really 'backups' on our team? They rotate so often, I'd bet he gets in a lot.

HomeBred_Texan
03-14-2007, 12:28 PM
But are there really 'backups' on our team? They rotate so often, I'd bet he gets in a lot.

I hate to break the news, but 95% of our team is back-ups...

How can he provide veteran leadership when he hasn't done anything???

TexansSB07
03-14-2007, 12:28 PM
it was announced on KFFL.com's website Texans have signed Jeff Zgonina DT

TommyS
03-14-2007, 12:38 PM
The deal is finally done and official.

Texans | Team signs Zgonina
Wed, 14 Mar 2007 07:38:11 -0800

Len Pasquarelli, of ESPN.com, reports the Houston Texans have signed free agent DT Jeff Zgonina (Dolphins) to a two-year contract. The deal is worth slightly more than $2 million and includes a signing bonus of $250,000.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2798149

here's the link.

TommyS
03-14-2007, 12:41 PM
I hate to break the news, but 95% of our team is back-ups...

How can he provide veteran leadership when he hasn't done anything???

hasnt done anything except play for half a dozen teams, (Steelers, Panthers, Falcons, Colts, Rams, Colts, Rams again, and Dolphins. He went to two Super Bowls with the Rams, and was a member of the Super Bowl XXXIV championship team.) in a bunch of different schemes no doubt, for over a decade in a league where the average career length is what, 3 years?

i want as many of these type guys on my team as possible, assuming they still have the drive and abililty, which is up to the coaches to decide

ArlingtonTexan
03-14-2007, 12:52 PM
The deal is finally done and official.

Texans | Team signs Zgonina
Wed, 14 Mar 2007 07:38:11 -0800

Len Pasquarelli, of ESPN.com, reports the Houston Texans have signed free agent DT Jeff Zgonina (Dolphins) to a two-year contract. The deal is worth slightly more than $2 million and includes a signing bonus of $250,000.

So somewhere around the veteran minimum, and can be cut with no significant cap implications.

David's Busted Carr
03-14-2007, 02:15 PM
Sweet, an even OLDER version of Seth Payne!

TheRealJoker
03-14-2007, 02:21 PM
More durable too!!!

HuttoKarl
03-14-2007, 02:24 PM
More durable too!!!

Don't try to point out positives with any of our FA Signings. The "He's Old!!!" crowd will whine you to death.

Nice signing. Should light a fire under a certain first rounder who we mistakenly drafted at DT a couple years back.

nunusguy
03-14-2007, 02:27 PM
I am really becoming a big, big Rick Smith fan.
I dunno 'bout Kubaik, but so far Mr. Smith's FA pickups sure feel good
on the old Cap Space.
Can't wait to see what the Texans do with the Draft now that new
GM Smith is at the controls !

Aiden
03-14-2007, 02:46 PM
i think it's either landry or quinn i know most people think he (Quinn) didn't show up in big games but i read somewhere that the notre dames defense did give up a average of like 35 points in each "big" game.

They also said that about Peyton Manning in college and look how he did in the big game this past year.:this:

HuttoKarl
03-14-2007, 02:54 PM
They also said that about Peyton Manning in college and look how he did in the big game this past year.:this:

Yep...Mr. He Can't Win the Big Game and his crew of wiley vets looked OK in the big game.

trutxn
03-14-2007, 03:35 PM
this is a pretty good pick-up except that he is old. but if we draft Landry we can have a DOMINATING D-FENCE

Landry is good, but he won't make us dominant, hopefully we can land a good, young DT in the draft as well.

trutxn
03-14-2007, 03:36 PM
Don't try to point out positives with any of our FA Signings. The "He's Old!!!" crowd will whine you to death.

Nice signing. Should light a fire under a certain first rounder who we mistakenly drafted at DT a couple years back.

We all should pray that TJ finally lives up to his potential. If he does we will be looking good.

DomDavis
03-14-2007, 03:45 PM
i think it's either landry or quinn i know most people think he (Quinn) didn't show up in big games but i read somewhere that the notre dames defense did give up a average of like 35 points in each "big" game.

44, actually... 41 against LSU, 44 USC, 47 Michigan.

Reddevil63
03-14-2007, 03:58 PM
So somewhere around the veteran minimum, and can be cut with no significant cap implications.
You mean they can do that???? :superman:

Lifetime Oiler/Texan Fan
03-14-2007, 04:00 PM
This is a good pick up, but it is surely a backup signing. Look for them to add at least one more defensive tackle/end in the draft and FA.

Wolfiegrrl
03-14-2007, 04:05 PM
I've watched the Dolphins with my roommate over the last couple of years. Zgonia is a GREAT signing for us. This guy was always stuffing the run. I'm excited to see him in a Texan's Uni.

infantrycak
03-14-2007, 04:08 PM
Starting DT from the 8th ranked rushing D on total yards, tied for 3rd on ypc--yeah, the guy must be a backup scrub.

Surely he can't contributed to the vaunted 20th rushing D on total yards, 22nd on ypc.

texasguy346
03-14-2007, 04:11 PM
I like the pickup. It gives us depth at DT, and it was for near the minimum. So even those he's old it won't kill us if we let him go. I'm liking the signings by Smith so far this offseason. He's taking a common sense approach to things.

dirty steve
03-14-2007, 04:15 PM
I hate to break the news, but 95% of our team is back-ups...
How can he provide veteran leadership when he hasn't done anything???
guys dont play for 14 years, much less 14 years on the d-line, without knowing what they need to do. i liken the signing to kalu last year.

two years, 2 mil i think?

Blake
03-14-2007, 04:21 PM
Its weird to sign multiple guys for good prices. Ive only known the Texans to get 1-2 guys for ridiculous amounts.

TEXANRED
03-14-2007, 04:31 PM
guys dont play for 14 years, much less 14 years on the d-line, without knowing what they need to do. i liken the signing to kalu last year.

two years, 2 mil i think?

Dirty Steve I am going to have to say that I don't like the avatar. Bud wanted to honor him and Moon deserved that.

I don't see the Texans in any hurry to honor any of our Oilers.

El Tejano
03-14-2007, 04:39 PM
I thought that Thomas Johnson showed that he can play in this league. Who was the kid that scored the TD against Cleveland? I thought he played well too.

I think a signing like this just makes sure you don't have to go all crazy and draft a DL right away.

dirty steve
03-14-2007, 04:44 PM
Dirty Steve I am going to have to say that I don't like the avatar. Bud wanted to honor him and Moon deserved that.
I don't see the Texans in any hurry to honor any of our Oilers.
get honored in a town where you never played professionally? he couldnt have gone the earl route and not shown up?

does baltimore have any retired indianapolis colts #'s hanging at their stadium?

HOU-TEX
03-14-2007, 04:47 PM
get honored in a town where you never played professionally? he couldnt have gone the earl route and not shown up?

does baltimore have any retired indianapolis colts #'s hanging at their stadium?

I don't know, but I think they have a statue of Johnny Unitas in from of thier stadium. He's wearing a Colts helmet as well. :)

Mr. White
03-14-2007, 04:52 PM
get honored in a town where you never played professionally? he couldnt have gone the earl route and not shown up?

does baltimore have any retired indianapolis colts #'s hanging at their stadium?

Yeah, they do.

http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/football/bal-lennymoore102102,0,2623916.story?coll=bal-football-storyutil

Unitas statue unveiled at ceremony honoring Colts Hall of Fame players
No. 19, seven teammates inducted into ring of honor
By Ken Murray
Sun Staff
Originally published October 21, 2002
Ravens Stadium got the Unitas touch yesterday, from the 13-foot statue of John Unitas to a ring of honor induction for Baltimore Colts Hall of Famers to an eloquent halftime address by the late quarterback's wife.

"He was very much looking forward to today and still was in awe of it," Sandy Unitas said after an elaborate ceremony honored her husband and seven of his former teammates. "He really didn't think he deserved it. That was just John. But he would have been very, very proud and thankful for the fans."

The statue of Unitas in a throwing pose was two years in the making. A sellout crowd of 69,173 watched on the SmartVision boards as Unitas' grandchildren unveiled the statue on the north side of the stadium. There were more cheers when the cover was pulled away from two new plaques on the team's ring of honor.

***edit***

Hou-Tex beat me to it.

dirty steve
03-14-2007, 04:54 PM
Yeah, they do.

http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/football/bal-lennymoore102102,0,2623916.story?coll=bal-football-storyutil



***edit***

Hou-Tex beat me to it.
i said "indianapolis colts." unitas, john mackey, etc. never played in indianapolis.

Mr. White
03-14-2007, 04:58 PM
i said "indianapolis colts." unitas, john mackey, etc. never played in indianapolis.

Their numbers are still retired with that organization as well.

dirty steve
03-14-2007, 05:03 PM
Their numbers are still retired with that organization as well.

so the irsay's are going to unretire numbers when they move cities? untias and all those guys were honored in baltimore, where they played. they didnt retire a number of a baltimore colt who ended his career before the team moved and have said retiree come be honored by fans in Indianapolis.

this has to do with moon showing up and getting honored in a place where he never played, fans never cheered for him, and where he DIDNT carve out a Hall of Fame career. i lived and died with the Oilers during football season, and alot of that success rested on the arm of Warren Moon. his number will never be retired here, and i am fine with that. like i've said before, go to KC, minneapolis, and seattle. but nashville? i didnt know they had such a loyal pre-Tacks fanbase.

TEXANRED
03-14-2007, 05:14 PM
so the irsay's are going to unretire numbers when they move cities? untias and all those guys were honored in baltimore, where they played. they didnt retire a number of a baltimore colt who ended his career before the team moved and have said retiree come be honored by fans in Indianapolis.

this has to do with moon showing up and getting honored in a place where he never played, fans never cheered for him, and where he DIDNT carve out a Hall of Fame career. i lived and died with the Oilers during football season, and alot of that success rested on the arm of Warren Moon. his number will never be retired here, and i am fine with that. like i've said before, go to KC, minneapolis, and seattle. but nashville? i didnt know they had such a loyal pre-Tacks fanbase.

Actually his best years were in the CFL when he won a few gray cups.

I think for Moon it was Bud recognizing him and honoring him, not so much the fans. That and hearing Bud admit getting rid of him was a mistake.

I don't see to many old Oiler fans demanding we honor these guys. If we did have some sort of rally onlly 75 people would show up.

dirty steve
03-14-2007, 05:16 PM
Actually his best years were in the CFL when he won a few gray cups.

I think for Moon it was Bud recognizing him and honoring him, not so much the fans. That and hearing Bud admit getting rid of him was a mistake.

I don't see to many old Oiler fans demanding we honor these guys. If we did have some sort of rally onlly 75 people would show up.
if by Oiler fans that live in Houston, then I don't blame them. they either became Cowboy fans, turncoated into a Titan fan, or waited around and eventually became a fan of a HOUSTON football team again.

TEXANS84
03-14-2007, 05:26 PM
Lets keep it on topic guys.

HOU-TEX
03-14-2007, 05:30 PM
This is what some Dophin fans think of him on FinHeaven. Some good and some not so good. I think he'll be a part of the rotation.:dance2:

http://www.finheaven.com/boardvb2/showthread.php?t=187177

dirty steve
03-14-2007, 05:39 PM
This is what some Dophin fans think of him on FinHeaven. Some good and some not so good. I think he'll be a part of the rotation.:dance2:

http://www.finheaven.com/boardvb2/showthread.php?t=187177
the thing is that you won't expect a Pro-Bowl type season, just a steadying presence along the line. i think it's a great move. even if some of these players dont work out, it's not as if you are locked in long term, like wade, walker, etc.

edit--that site is a good strike against those huge sigs that are being talked about here.

TEXANS84
03-14-2007, 05:47 PM
From a Dolphins fan on pigskinheaven:

Zgonina is a good DT to have in the rotation. He's not a starter and doesn't take up a lot of room. His game is quickness. He's not the kind of DT that overpowers o-linemen. He's smart and can get through gaps quickly to make plays in the backfield if the o-line doesn't react quick enough. He can hold up at the point of attack but as a starter he wears down as the season goes on and becomes ineffective. He's got experience in the 3-4 and the 4-3 so that should help. When he's fresh he's got a real good motor and doesn't give up on plays. He keep banging till the whistle blows.

El Amigo Invisible
03-14-2007, 06:20 PM
Does that mean we will not draft Amobi Okoye?

fdknuckles
03-14-2007, 06:32 PM
I'm liking the signing, but would like to see the Texans pick up a player like Brandon Mebane (6'1 309lbs) out of Cal in the 3rd. He's quick off the snap and a run snuffin' machine.

freedoggy77
03-14-2007, 06:52 PM
i think it's either landry or quinn i know most people think he (Quinn) didn't show up in big games but i read somewhere that the notre dames defense did give up a average of like 35 points in each "big" game.


quinn is a good QB, notre dame's horrible defense gave up 45 points a game and you can't really expect a guy to score that many against top rated defenses

CoachJim
03-14-2007, 07:14 PM
... His game is quickness. He's not the kind of DT that overpowers o-linemen.

A quick 37 year old DT? ... What are the chances? Maybe he was AT ONE TIME ...

AggieTexanFan
03-15-2007, 12:43 AM
I love his pic on the home page, he looks mean:hides:

santo
03-15-2007, 09:38 AM
Does that mean we will not draft Amobi Okoye?



It doesn't mean we won't, but actually means we might consider it more. We now have a Veteran that has played a very long time in this league.

He would be perfect to teach Amobi Okoye a few tricks....

kiwitexansfan
03-15-2007, 01:09 PM
I think we are seeing the Texans bringing in a lot of veteran leadership and character.

We lost that at DT when Payne was released and now we have replaced that aspect with a cheaper option. The fact he is useful to disrupt for short patches is a definite bonus.

As for this effecting whether we would pick Okoye, I think Smith has made it clear he intends to pick for BPA and there is no position on the roster that could not be upgraded so Okoye is as valid a selection as anyone.

powerfuldragon
03-15-2007, 01:43 PM
This is not a good signing. he's old. he'll probably get hurt.

HuttoKarl
03-15-2007, 02:06 PM
This is not a good signing. he's old. he'll probably get hurt.

He's been pretty healthy for 13 seasons. Perhaps he's not an injury prone player.

powerfuldragon
03-15-2007, 03:02 PM
He's been pretty healthy for 13 seasons. Perhaps he's not an injury prone player.
That's true, but houston has a curse on it.

Dunta_23
03-15-2007, 03:04 PM
This is not a good signing. he's old. he'll probably get hurt.

How is it a bad signing? Does he have injury history? He will most likely play a backup role(which is what his contract shows me)...and he may/may not even make it out of Training Camp...He is a solid veteran run stopper who can mentor a few of our young DL....he may have the same sort of impact that Eric Moulds had on Andre Johnson...People need to stop bashing signings that are made to provide depth...Everyone knows he isnt going to be Tommy Harris, and Danny Clark isnt Lance Briggs...but they are depth guys who can get the job done, hard workers, and no headaches.

El Tejano
03-15-2007, 05:15 PM
What about Grant Wistrom from Seattle? I think he would be good depth if not come in and man the position for a year or so.

HuttoKarl
03-15-2007, 05:34 PM
What about Grant Wistrom from Seattle? I think he would be good depth if not come in and man the position for a year or so.

I read somewhere that it would be doubtful that Wistrom could even pass a physical. He's shot.




WISTROM DONE?

The talk in league circles in the immediate wake of the release of defensive end Grant Wistrom by the Seahawks is that Wistrom is done.

Physically, the belief is that he's shot. In fact, there are concerns that he would not be able to pass a physical. There also are concerns regarding whether Wistrom even has the desire to play.

With that said, Wistrom started in all 18 regular-season and playoff games last season.

Wistrom, a nine-year veteran, had 11.5 sacks in three seasons with the Seahawks. And he received $14 million in guaranteed money.

Hey, in some cities, that's worth another $12 million up front.

(From ProFootballTalk.com)

keyfro
03-16-2007, 11:12 AM
i must say i was expecting more of a 1yr deal for this guy than a 2...however if the guy can come in and help the younger guys learn how to play for as long as he has then there is value here

that being said i think we would have been better served with james reed than zgonina

infantrycak
03-16-2007, 12:18 PM
i must say i was expecting more of a 1yr deal for this guy than a 2...

The deal has almost no guaranteed money so it is a 1 year deal if the Texans want.

HuttoKarl
03-16-2007, 01:05 PM
Can a moderator actually spell Zgonina's name correctly in the title of this thread?