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spurstexanstros
03-09-2007, 09:58 PM
Ok, Carr bashers
I have a question for you and every other texan fan that wants Carr out of town. There are no quality quarterbacks out there that would make the team better and now there is talk to trade up to draft Brady Quinn. I do not get it. Quinn is a shorter version of DC and you want to draft him. The past will repeat itself, sure the texans are no longer a expansion team and Quinn would be in a better situation but wouldnt you rather have a NFL QB that has improved his stats each year in his career and led the NFL in completion percentage and sent wr to probowl? I would, thats just me. For those of you who want to get rid of carr and have a flashback, go ahead do what ever it takes to have one just not with our team.

Overalls
03-09-2007, 10:05 PM
Trade down a few spots and take levi Brown or Landry in the first then take Kolb in the 2nd and go into the season with Sage. See Ya Carr. I hope you land on your feet.

MATRIX
03-09-2007, 10:06 PM
I agree.

Wait till round 2...probably 3 and get Kolb or Stanton.

281
03-09-2007, 10:08 PM
i pretty much agree, i'm not sold on quinn at all, but you never know.

and umm, is there really need for another thread like this?

steve
03-09-2007, 10:49 PM
Is there any thoughts of them moving up in order to get AP. Just wondering!!

Trap_Star
03-09-2007, 10:51 PM
I have a feeling that we will trade up to 6 and both Quinn and Peterson will be there....and we end up taking a defensive lineman.......OH GOD!!!Someone shoot me if that happens....

gtexan02
03-09-2007, 10:54 PM
Here's a question for all you Quinn bashers: How is he at all like David Carr?

Other than the fact that they are both deemed "pretty boys" what do they have in common other than prototypical QB size, prototypical QB footwork, and prototypical QB arm strength?

Carr came from a system known to produce QBs who have struggled in the NFL, Quinn came from possibly the most NFL ready offense lead by an offensive guru who the NFL has tried to lure the last two years.

Carr came off a monstrous single season, Quinn has been solid his entire career, shattering every Notre Dame passing record

Carr had a decent cast around him at Fresno St, Quinn was the only real offensive weapon that ND had and still made the play

Quinn has succeed with a terrible offensive line in ND

The thing that Carr and Quinn both have is that they have all the God Given talent you could ever want in a QB. Both are football smart. Carr is so shell shocked in Houston, however, that he enters the fetal position before the defensive ends break the LOS. Quinn doesn't have that history. He is starting with a clean slate.

Let me conclude with this: If Quinn was ugly, would he suddenly be the perfect choice? If you find yourself even THINKING that the pretty boy image is what you've got a problem with, you need to reevaluate your football IQ

HoustonFrog
03-09-2007, 10:57 PM
Trade down a few spots and take levi Brown or Landry in the first then take Kolb in the 2nd and go into the season with Sage. See Ya Carr. I hope you land on your feet.


EXACTLY!The simplest path to where we need to go is with a vet that keeps us steady for a year or two while we groom a guy we don't waste a first on.

Dime
03-09-2007, 11:00 PM
Ok, Carr bashers
I have a question for you and every other texan fan that wants Carr out of town. There are no quality quarterbacks out there that would make the team better and now there is talk to trade up to draft Brady Quinn. I do not get it. Quinn is a shorter version of DC and you want to draft him. The past will repeat itself, sure the texans are no longer a expansion team and Quinn would be in a better situation but wouldnt you rather have a NFL QB that has improved his stats each year in his career and led the NFL in completion percentage and sent wr to probowl? I would, thats just me. For those of you who want to get rid of carr and have a flashback, go ahead do what ever it takes to have one just not with our team.

Why am I having to answer this question every 5 minutes... Dont you people read other posts when you ask this EXACT same question over and over.

Carr was brought in with No mentor. No one to really learn from. He was put on a pedalstal, and wasnt held accountable. He also was done a inservice by being flattened for 4 years behind a oline didnt work. Kub tried to help the kid, but he has to much stuff in is head from being destroyed in the pocket. He needs relocation, and this gives us to bring in a fresh start so he can be trained/groomed correctly, without them already having sack records in his head.

DRAMA
03-09-2007, 11:04 PM
People still base opinions of Quinn on his facial features and how good looking he is and whether or not to draft him because he's a nice looking guy.

"OH MY GOD!!! David's a nice looking guy! Brady's a nice looking guy! - DON'T DRAFT THIS QUINN LOSER!!"

Argh*** :crazy:

Trap_Star
03-09-2007, 11:06 PM
People still base opinions of Quinn on his facial features and how good looking he is and whether or not to draft him because he's a nice looking guy.

"OH MY GOD!!! David's a nice looking guy! Brady's a nice looking guy! - DON'T DRAFT THIS QUINN LOSER!!"

Argh*** :crazy:

I agree...

Regards,
Jim Plunkett

http://static.zoovy.com/img/helmethead2/H180/jim_plunkett_3x.jpg

Ole Miss Texan
03-09-2007, 11:11 PM
I agree...

Regards,
Jim Plunkett

http://static.zoovy.com/img/helmethead2/H180/jim_plunkett_3x.jpg

Peyton Manning sends his regards as well.

yourfavoritetexan42
03-10-2007, 12:54 AM
stupid comment. and once again ill explain it..

You say that, because they are both good looking men. Thats the only thing similar they have.

Brady Quinn has played in big games, the biggest regular season college game of all time (vs usc last season).

Carr never played in big games.

Brady Quinn had good stats against credible opponents.
Carr didnt.

Brady Quinn went through thick, and played well through the thin as well.
Carr didn't.

Brady Quinn was coached by one of the best offensive minds in football.
Carr didn't.

Brady Quinn has a lot more awareness and plays very mature for a college qb.
Carr kind of did, but not on the level as quinn.

Brady Quinn had great numbers against premiere programs like LSU OSU Michgian USC Penn State Tenn.
I dont think carr played one of those programs.

Brady Quinn has an oppurtunity to play with a good offensive line, a good running back, a pro bowl receiver, and coached from coach K from the begining.
Carr didn't.


Brady Quinn is a better prospect coming out in my opinion than David Carr, and he has a way better oppurtunity. And please...next time you say he is a carr clone...back it up with some facts... not just because they are both pretty boys. Quinn put up better numbers than Montana at notre dame, Steve Young John Elway Tom Brady Peyton Manning Carson Palmer Joe Montana Joe Namath Brett Favre Matt Leinart Troy Aikman... all pretty boy quarterbacks... and I think I would take any one of those...

2BCF
03-10-2007, 01:17 AM
Ok, Carr bashers
I have a question for you and every other texan fan that wants Carr out of town. There are no quality quarterbacks out there that would make the team better and now there is talk to trade up to draft Brady Quinn. I do not get it. Quinn is a shorter version of DC and you want to draft him. The past will repeat itself, sure the texans are no longer a expansion team and Quinn would be in a better situation but wouldnt you rather have a NFL QB that has improved his stats each year in his career and led the NFL in completion percentage and sent wr to probowl? I would, thats just me. For those of you who want to get rid of carr and have a flashback, go ahead do what ever it takes to have one just not with our team.

Carr would be in '07 what he was at the end of '06.
A QB that had his hands tied by the coach due to his inability to execute the offense properly without jeapordizing his team's chances for a win.
He would be nothing more than a hand-off specialist with the occasional dump pass for 5(+/-) yards.

That's NOT the way to head into a new future for Kubes & Co. and the Texans organization.

So, nearly any QB that we bring in is instantly able to match what Carr was at the end of last season.
That's the reality of the situation.

2BCF
03-10-2007, 01:32 AM
People still base opinions of Quinn on his facial features and how good looking he is and whether or not to draft him because he's a nice looking guy.


Argh*** :crazy:

Nope, you're quite wrong. I think it's mostly based on Quinn's performance against LSU.
He looked like Carr's clone, stumbling and fumbling through the game.

The Pencil Neck
03-10-2007, 02:13 AM
Ok, Carr bashers
I have a question for you and every other texan fan that wants Carr out of town. There are no quality quarterbacks out there that would make the team better and now there is talk to trade up to draft Brady Quinn. I do not get it. Quinn is a shorter version of DC and you want to draft him. The past will repeat itself, sure the texans are no longer a expansion team and Quinn would be in a better situation but wouldnt you rather have a NFL QB that has improved his stats each year in his career and led the NFL in completion percentage and sent wr to probowl? I would, thats just me. For those of you who want to get rid of carr and have a flashback, go ahead do what ever it takes to have one just not with our team.


First off, we're not doing anything. If Carr is gone, it's not because of us; it's because Kubiak and Smith think that it's the best thing for the team. Same thing if he's still here next year. It will be because they think it's best for the team.

Secondly, your stats are wrong. Carr has not improved his stats each year. His best year was 3 seasons ago. Last year, he did not match the performance of his best season and although he started the year OK, he tailed off at the end of the season. The last half of the season was horrible. Kubiak tried to put Carr in the best possible position to be successful and he wasn't. The only thing Carr improved was his completion percentage but if those completions don't translate into TD's or yards, then it's pretty worthless.

And finally lots of wide receivers have gone to the Pro Bowl even though the guys throwing them the ball have been bad. A couple of years ago, Chris Chambers made it with the QB by Committee thing going on. And the year before that, Joe Horn made it with Brooks throwing him the ball. And that's just looking at the past couple of years; I think if you spent some time researching it, you'd be able to put together quite a list of bad QB's who had WR's go to the Pro Bowl. So don't make the mistake that AJ getting to the Pro Bowl means that Carr must be good.

Honoring Earl 34
03-10-2007, 06:04 AM
2001 FOOTBALL SCHEDULE
RECORD: 11-3 SCORES
8-26-01 JIM THORPE ASSOC FOOTBALL CLASSIC
at Colorado
WON 24-22
9-2-01 OREGON STATE (Sun.) WON 44-24
9-8-01 at Wisconsin WON 32-20
9-15-01 UTAH STATE** **postponed
9-22-01 at Tulsa WON 37-18
9-29-01 LOUISIANA TECH WON 38-28
10-6-01 at Colorado State WON 25-22 (OT)
10-19-01 BOISE STATE (Fri.) LOST 30-35
10-26-01 at Hawaii (Fri.) LOST 34-38
11-3-01 RICE WON 52-24
11-10-01 at Southern Methodist WON 38-13
11-17-01 at Nevada WON 61-14
11-24-01 SAN JOSE STATE WON 40-21
12-1-01 UTAH STATE** WON 70-21
SILICON VALLEY CLASSIC @San Jose, CA
12-31-01 Michigan State LOST 35-44

Carr's senior year .

Honoring Earl 34
03-10-2007, 06:08 AM
Date Opponent Result/Time Record/Tickets TV
September 2 at Georgia Tech W 14-10 1-0
September 9 No. 19 Penn State W 41-17 2-0 NBC
September 16 No. 11 Michigan L 47-21 2-1 NBC
September 23 at Michigan State W 40-37 3-1
September 30 Purdue W 35-21 4-1 NBC
October 7 Stanford W 31-10 5-1 NBC
October 21 UCLA W 20-17 6-1 NBC
October 28 at Navy W 38-14 7-1 CBS
November 4 North Carolina W 45-26 8-1 NBC
November 11 at Air Force W 39-17 9-1 CSTV
November 18 Army W 41-9 10-1 NBC
November 25 at No. 3 USC L 44-24 10-2
January 3 vs No. 3 LSU L 41-14 10-3 Fox

Quinn's schedule .

swtbound07
03-10-2007, 06:18 AM
2001 FOOTBALL SCHEDULE
RECORD: 11-3 SCORES
8-26-01 JIM THORPE ASSOC FOOTBALL CLASSIC
at Colorado
WON 24-22
9-2-01 OREGON STATE (Sun.) WON 44-24
9-8-01 at Wisconsin WON 32-20
9-15-01 UTAH STATE** **postponed
9-22-01 at Tulsa WON 37-18
9-29-01 LOUISIANA TECH WON 38-28
10-6-01 at Colorado State WON 25-22 (OT)
10-19-01 BOISE STATE (Fri.) LOST 30-35
10-26-01 at Hawaii (Fri.) LOST 34-38
11-3-01 RICE WON 52-24
11-10-01 at Southern Methodist WON 38-13
11-17-01 at Nevada WON 61-14
11-24-01 SAN JOSE STATE WON 40-21
12-1-01 UTAH STATE** WON 70-21
SILICON VALLEY CLASSIC @San Jose, CA
12-31-01 Michigan State LOST 35-44

Carr's senior year .

I've always thought Carr's numbers were inflated due to the system he played in...so for comparisons sake, the 2001 university of hawaii football scores, along with senior qb stats

9-8-01 MONTANA WON 30-12
9-15-01 at Nevada** **postponed
9-22-01 at Nevada** LOST 20-28
9-29-01 RICE LOST 24-27
10-6-01 at Southern Methodist WON 38-31 (OT)
10-13-01 TEXAS-EL PASO WON 66-7
10-20-01 at Tulsa WON 36-15
10-26-01 FRESNO STATE (Fri.) WON 38-34
11-3-01 SAN JOSE STATE WON 34-10
11-10-01 BOISE STATE LOST 21-28
11-17-01 MIAMI, OH WON 52-51
11-24-01 AIR FORCE WON 52-30
12-8-01 BRIGHAM YOUNG WON 72-45

Timmy Chang *stats are from 2003, because i couldnt' find out who hawaii's 01 qb was

38 tds
13 ints
4258 yards
59.5 completion percentage
7.07 yards per attempt
qb rating of 135.39

David Carr's senior year
46 tds
9 ints
4839 yards
64.5 completion percentage
7.82 yards per attempt
qb rating of 144.32

Really not much difference...both came from offenses that were capable of 50 plus points, both lost to "real" teams, aka michigan state or boise state, and both had insanely inflated college numbers. Why is Timmy Chang an afterthought, and Carr a #1 overall pick? Obviously those college intangibles didn't translate well to the NFL. I submit to you that Carr was a Fresno State system quarterback, nothing more.

Ryan
03-10-2007, 08:50 AM
Here's a question for all you Quinn bashers: How is he at all like David Carr?

Other than the fact that they are both deemed "pretty boys" what do they have in common other than prototypical QB size, prototypical QB footwork, and prototypical QB arm strength?

Carr came from a system known to produce QBs who have struggled in the NFL, Quinn came from possibly the most NFL ready offense lead by an offensive guru who the NFL has tried to lure the last two years.

Carr came off a monstrous single season, Quinn has been solid his entire career, shattering every Notre Dame passing record

Carr had a decent cast around him at Fresno St, Quinn was the only real offensive weapon that ND had and still made the play

Quinn has succeed with a terrible offensive line in ND

The thing that Carr and Quinn both have is that they have all the God Given talent you could ever want in a QB. Both are football smart. Carr is so shell shocked in Houston, however, that he enters the fetal position before the defensive ends break the LOS. Quinn doesn't have that history. He is starting with a clean slate.

Let me conclude with this: If Quinn was ugly, would he suddenly be the perfect choice? If you find yourself even THINKING that the pretty boy image is what you've got a problem with, you need to reevaluate your football IQ


when i think of pretty boy qbs, the name tom brady comes to mind.

Erratic Assassin
03-10-2007, 08:59 AM
Ok, Carr bashers Quinn is a shorter version of DC and you want to draft him. The past will repeat itself

Actually they are both 6'3" (depending on which site you view)

Why is everyone so excited about Brady Quinn?

Is it because Quinn bench presses 335? Dick Vermeil says that the bench press is a measure of an athlete's commitment. Big deal. Carr bench pressed 395 when we drafted him.

Is it Quinn's arm strength? Big deal. Carr has arm strength.

Is it Quinn's toughness? Who's tougher than David Carr? He keeps getting up.

Is it that they are both pretty? Wasn't Carr named one of the prettiest dudes around in some magazine?

Quinn struggles when facing defensive pressure, he needs to develop more of pocket presence. Any of this sound familiar?

He's a less experienced David Carr. David Carr was the best QB prospect in a QB-poor draft. Quinn is the second best QB prospect in another QB-poor draft. We can't be wasting that pick. We have too many needs. Take Landry or Peterson or the best player available, not the best QB available.

MrMeToo
03-10-2007, 09:32 AM
I hope we don't get Quinn. I'd rather keep Carr than him.If we were going to draft a QB, we should of done it last year...

GuerillaBlack
03-10-2007, 09:46 AM
If Quinn was with LSU and Russell was with ND, LSU would have still won the game. Quinn was not on a good team, just an overhyped one. He was the only offsensive player on the team.

Please_Evolve
03-10-2007, 09:54 AM
If Quinn was with LSU and Russell was with ND, LSU would have still won the game. Quinn was not on a good team, just an overhyped one. He was the only offsensive player on the team.

Still? It would've been a bigger blow out if Quinn was on LSU.

aj.
03-10-2007, 10:05 AM
His Bio:

Perhaps the top quarterback in college football. A fantastic athlete with an NFL-caliber arm. Mixes a powerfully built frame with an ability to remain agile in the pocket. A great natural athlete who runs well and can make big plays through the air and on the ground. Throws the deep ball extremely well. Was as important to his team's fortunes as anyone ... and can always find the open receiver, even if he has to check off to his third or fourth target. Established numerous single-season records this year. Can bench press 390 pounds, power clean 300 pounds and squat 500 pounds. Runs a 4.7 40-yard dash.

Started and played in all 14 games and was perhaps the nation's best quarterback. Threw for at least 300 yards in 11 of 14 games, including 10 of the last 11. Finished third in the nation in completions with 343. Received numerous postseason awards, including Football News Offensive Player of the Year, Johnny Unitas Award, Sammy Baugh Award, Conference Offensive Player of the Year and first-team All-Conference. Set team single-season records for passing yardage and touchdown passes. Is the program?s career completion percentage leader (.626).






oops, sorry. That was Carr's bio.

If Quinn didn't have his own network, I don't think these Top Ten overall discussions would even be taking place.

HoustonFrog
03-10-2007, 10:13 AM
I think Quinn is a solid guy and he has been coached in the prostyle by a pros coach but my opinion is that you can get the same value in rounds 2 and 3. Nothing against him, just a quick opinion. Just like RBS, I think Kubes has a certain type guy he wants.

SamuraiSword
03-10-2007, 10:31 AM
Here's a question for all you Quinn bashers: How is he at all like David Carr?

Other than the fact that they are both deemed "pretty boys" what do they have in common other than prototypical QB size, prototypical QB footwork, and prototypical QB arm strength?

Carr came from a system known to produce QBs who have struggled in the NFL, Quinn came from possibly the most NFL ready offense lead by an offensive guru who the NFL has tried to lure the last two years.

Carr came off a monstrous single season, Quinn has been solid his entire career, shattering every Notre Dame passing record

Carr had a decent cast around him at Fresno St, Quinn was the only real offensive weapon that ND had and still made the play

Quinn has succeed with a terrible offensive line in ND

The thing that Carr and Quinn both have is that they have all the God Given talent you could ever want in a QB. Both are football smart. Carr is so shell shocked in Houston, however, that he enters the fetal position before the defensive ends break the LOS. Quinn doesn't have that history. He is starting with a clean slate.

Let me conclude with this: If Quinn was ugly, would he suddenly be the perfect choice? If you find yourself even THINKING that the pretty boy image is what you've got a problem with, you need to reevaluate your football IQ


he makes bad decisions under pressure and he plays bad in big game scenarios.

South Texan
03-10-2007, 10:33 AM
Let me preface this by saying I don't expect us to be in the Superbowl next year, and at best a very marginal chance (with some big breaks and no major injuries) we can even get into post season. I certainly expect us to show more improvement though.

OK, that said, I am not totally sold on Quinn as our future. Sage appears to be a servicable QB (better than Grossman IMO). There is an outside chance Kubiak may still get in Carr's head like he did with Plummer and turn him around.

Since Carr is no longer on "most favored status" it's gut check time, put up or shut up time, or whatever for him. Add in we are paying him a ton of bucks that we have almost chance of re-cooping in the current market, let him battle it out with Sage for starting QB from behind. (QB spot would be Sage's to lose.)

Fix the other stuff first (O-Line, secondary, etc.) then with late rounds see if there is a QB with possibilites that may have been over looked. We did get DD/DW in the sixth afterall.

thunderkyss
03-10-2007, 10:44 AM
he makes bad decisions under pressure and he plays bad in big game scenarios.

I thought he had like 52 TDs & 3 Ints...

how bad could his decisions be??

afcman
03-10-2007, 01:11 PM
i'm not sold on quinn at all, but you never know.

I'm not either. I've got games on tape. Just don't see it. But he may be fantastic later.

MATRIX
03-10-2007, 01:25 PM
QB's that are mistake prone have them shine through in big games.

Aginst Michigan...Quinn screwed up

And LSU...well...yea

Quinn is not what we need. Stanton and Kolb are BOTH better than Quinn, but Quinn is :snobord: on his own hype thanks to ND winning games agian. Had Charlie not coached at ND, would we care who the QB was? Probably not unless you are a ND fan.

Hype and afew games thats Quinn. Stanton and Kolb both, hell even Beck just need alittle time to make anyone regret taking Quinn over them.

Specnatz
03-10-2007, 02:55 PM
QB's that are mistake prone have them shine through in big games.

Aginst Michigan...Quinn screwed up

And LSU...well...yea

Quinn is not what we need. Stanton and Kolb are BOTH better than Quinn, but Quinn is :snobord: on his own hype thanks to ND winning games agian. Had Charlie not coached at ND, would we care who the QB was? Probably not unless you are a ND fan.

Hype and afew games thats Quinn. Stanton and Kolb both, hell even Beck just need alittle time to make anyone regret taking Quinn over them.


Did you even watch the Michigan game? Michigan dominated both lines of scrimage they were a better team, that is not how to define a QB unless you are trying to make your own point without facts.

mexican_texan
03-10-2007, 02:58 PM
Notre Dame wasn't exactly talented. Quinn is the reason for much of their success.

cuppacoffee
03-10-2007, 11:41 PM
Quinn struggles when facing defensive pressure, he needs to develop more of pocket presence. Any of this sound familiar?




he makes bad decisions under pressure and he plays bad in big game scenarios.



:rofl:

You guys listen to Mel Kiper too much.


:coffee:

caspian
03-11-2007, 08:15 AM
I hope we don't get Quinn. I'd rather keep Carr than him.If we were going to draft a QB, we should of done it last year...

Exactly. I can't believe we NOW want a QB. Not Quinn...please not Quinn. I swear this franchise's draft choices appear so uninspired.

afcman
03-11-2007, 09:25 AM
I swear this franchise's draft choices appear so uninspired.

I would have to agree. For the most part. And yeah, we pass on 3 great QB's last year and now......what do we need (again)?

:wheel: