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Wolf
03-09-2007, 04:27 PM
what is it that makes everyone jump for joy getting Quinn now?
Is it we are so desperate to get rid of Carr?
Is it Quinn would be able to work for Kubiak from day 1?
Exposure on NBC every Saturday?


Just Curious,because coming out of college Carr had an impressive resume... Texans ruined him (bad luck with both Tackles in expansion draft went down or never got back up)

before the fresno plays a weak schedule excuse comes out.. Fresno beat some top 20 teams that year..not much can be said about.. N.D. at times

seriously..what makes Quinn "The Man" for the Texans?

Stros5Texans80
03-09-2007, 04:30 PM
what is it that makes everyone jump for joy getting Quinn now?
Is it we are so desperate to get rid of Carr?
Is it Quinn would be able to work for Kubiak from day 1?
Exposure on NBC every Saturday?


Just Curious,because coming out of college Carr had an impressive resume... Texans ruined him (bad luck with both Tackles in expansion draft went down or never got back up)

before the fresno plays a weak schedule comes out.. Fresno beat some top 20 teams that year..not much can be said about.. N.D. at times

seriously..what makes Quinn "The Man" for the Texans?

He's got all the fundamentals for a QB and has already learned an NFL system. He also is a stand up guy, so we won't worry about behavior issues (not that Carr had any). With the addition of Green, hopefully Quinn will have more than one weapon on his side so he won't have to rely just on AJ.

I personally like him and think that if given a chance, he can do some big things in the NFL. :wild:

Wolf
03-09-2007, 04:31 PM
fair enough thanks :D

SESupergenius
03-09-2007, 04:33 PM
So what was that difference again?

My Hero
03-09-2007, 04:35 PM
The difference is that this franchise is five years old now, it should be able to provide the support to Quinn that it was unable to give Carr.

Stros5Texans80
03-09-2007, 04:36 PM
Quinn is a fresh slate. I personally agree with some other posters on here, in that if Carr went to a team with a solid line, he would have done wonders in the NFL. He's just been roughed up so much, that he might not ever be the same. Quinn is our second chance to really do something.

As for people talking about grabbing a QB in the next draft, they want this team at least at .500. The problem? That puts us further down the draft, forcing us to move up positions to grab a competent QB. We have all seen no matter how good your defense is, your team is only as strong as your QB (See SB XLI). I say we grab Quinn (or Peterson if he is there), and then build a solid line with the next draft.

yourfavoritetexan42
03-09-2007, 04:51 PM
Brady Quinn has played in big games, the biggest regular season college game of all time (vs usc last season).

Carr never played in big games.

Brady Quinn had good stats against credible opponents.
Carr didnt.

Brady Quinn went through thick, and played well through the thin as well.
Carr didn't.

Brady Quinn was coached by one of the best offensive minds in football.
Carr didn't.

Brady Quinn has a lot more awareness and plays very mature for a college qb.
Carr kind of did, but not on the level as quinn.

Brady Quinn had great numbers against premiere programs like LSU OSU Michgian USC Penn State Tenn.
I dont think carr played one of those programs.

Brady Quinn has an oppurtunity to play with a good offensive line, a good running back, a pro bowl receiver, and coached from coach K from the begining.
Carr didn't.


Brady Quinn is a better prospect coming out in my opinion than David Carr, and he has a way better oppurtunity

Specnatz
03-09-2007, 04:57 PM
What is the differance between Carr and Kolb? One has played in the NFL for 5 years the other is just coming out of college, the same thing with Quinn and Carr.

As far as Quinn is concerned, I will admit I am biased because I am a HUGE Notre Dame fan. Quinn is very good at screens to 30 yards or so, but passes 30 or more ( in the air) he may have a tendancy to float the ball. I have seen numurous plays where BQ has thrown the ball down the middle and threaded it to the TE in between two defenders.

One thing most people do not understand about ND is that before Weis got there they were sucking and not performing well at all. Recruiting was attrocious under Ty Willingham, I am talking 15 or worse. Under Weis recruiting has greatly improved, so the talent is starting to get there, at least on the offensive side of the ball.

As someone who believes in Quinn, I will say that I would personnaly want to draft Levi brown because the Texans have to improve the O-line or there is no way any QB will succeed here. I will say I like Kolb and have seen his games as well, he is my second favorite QB in the draft. I know a lot of people like stanton but after seeing him, I think he will never do anything in the NFL except be a career back-up.

Wolf
03-09-2007, 05:02 PM
Brady Quinn has played in big games, the biggest regular season college game of all time (vs usc last season).

Carr never played in big games.

Brady Quinn had good stats against credible opponents.
Carr didnt.

Brady Quinn went through thick, and played well through the thin as well.
Carr didn't.

Brady Quinn was coached by one of the best offensive minds in football.
Carr didn't.

Brady Quinn has a lot more awareness and plays very mature for a college qb.
Carr kind of did, but not on the level as quinn.

Brady Quinn had great numbers against premiere programs like LSU OSU Michgian USC Penn State Tenn.
I dont think carr played one of those programs.

Brady Quinn has an oppurtunity to play with a good offensive line, a good running back, a pro bowl receiver, and coached from coach K from the begining.
Carr didn't.


Brady Quinn is a better prospect coming out in my opinion than David Carr, and he has a way better oppurtunity


If i am not mistaken Fresno played against top 20 teams at the time and beat them.. N.D.. lost to top 20 teams
how is that "big games"?

amazingandre
03-09-2007, 05:13 PM
imo the biggest differnce is if im not mistaking didnt carr have a good surrounding team?????quinns team sux....there defense was atrosicious and who were the receivers????/and quinns oline wasnt good and yet he was still rpoductive. he already knows how to deal with crap for supporting cast......

D-Vizzl
03-09-2007, 05:13 PM
Excellent question wolf, when I read the Len Pasqurelli article it bought me back to 2002. It sets up almost the same way, the #1 and #2 QB's just don't seem to be a sure thing and here we are trying to get one, it makes me scratch my head profusely.

TexansLucky13
03-09-2007, 05:14 PM
If i am not mistaken Fresno played against top 20 teams at the time and beat them.. N.D.. lost to top 20 teams
how is that "big games"?

Wolf, who is the chick on your avatar? (I could care less for the Quinn discussion).

David's Busted Carr
03-09-2007, 05:22 PM
QUINN IS NOT CARR! It's that simple. You CANNOT predict how a player will perform in the NFL. I don't care what college stats you put up there.

Why don't you tell me Tom Brady's college stats.

or tell me that Peyton Manning couldn't win the big game in Tennessee.

All that garbage means nothing. If Kubiak likes him and thinks he's his guy then go with him.

CARR HAS NOT GOTTEN IT DONE. He's had 5 years and not shown any IMPROVEMENT. Sure blame the OL, blame the skill positions, but the bottom line is Carr as a player has not progressed enough in 5 years. In fact the past month and a half of the season he got worse. To the point that Kubiak had to scroll down the playbook...

freedoggy77
03-09-2007, 05:31 PM
Notre Dame only lost big games because their defense sucked and Quinn had to put up 45 points a game to beat them! However I would rather have Landry so our new QB won't have to do that.

SESupergenius
03-09-2007, 06:08 PM
The difference is that this franchise is five years old now, it should be able to provide the support to Quinn that it was unable to give Carr.

Our offensive line is solid now? When did that happen?

SESupergenius
03-09-2007, 06:09 PM
Notre Dame only lost big games because their defense sucked and Quinn had to put up 45 points a game to beat them! However I would rather have Landry so our new QB won't have to do that.
hmmmm, so I guess he's moving to an NFL team that has a defense that is great.

Would you care to know what Carr did in college as far as points is concerned?

AlbinoRat
03-09-2007, 06:11 PM
I'm not biased either way...but who ever said that Jeff Tedford sucks is dead wrong. The guy is an awesome coach, and his forte is the Quarterback position. Other than that and the fact that the Tennessee team that Quinn played had a terrible Defensive Backfield. That said, he did have a game that day. I'd rather not have Quinn, because compared to our other positions, he isn't looking that bad right now. There are other needs first.

AlbinoRat
03-09-2007, 06:27 PM
http://sportsyenta.blogspot.com/2006/11/breaking-down-brady-quinn.html

An interesting piece on Quinn

TexanSam
03-09-2007, 07:23 PM
To be fair, Carr did lead victories against some quality opponents while he was at Fresno State. They defeated Wisconsin and Oregon State I believe and their head coach (I can't remember his name) has never been afraid to schedule against teams from major conferences. He just didn't play in as many big games as Quinn has.

GP
03-09-2007, 07:28 PM
Floats the ball on deep passes? Sounds like Carr to me.

Team defense sucked and he suffered for it? Sounds like Carr to me.

There is only one difference between Carr and Quinn: Age.

They both "look" good, that's about the only positive that I can see. He was on "Path to the Draft" and the tv hosts were raving about how his body looked at the combine when he took his shirt off for measurements. Whoopee.

You Domers need to curb your man crush on your QB. He's not awful, I'll grant you that, but he's not worthy of the No. 6 pick...He's a late first rounder at-best IMO.

Why we would attempt to drastically re-build this team with Quinn when we just dumped a No. 1 pick (Carr) is beyond me.

I hate UT. I was against VY coming here--I thought his performance in the Rose Bowl was a fluke. I was wrong. He DESTROYED a USC team every time he had the ball, regardless of USC's bad defense. He took the game over, on his shoulders, and this team very ignorantly passed on him in the draft. Looking back, I wished we had taken Vince.

But I cannot foresee me feeling that way about Quinn if he cam ehere. I have read a story in ESPN Magazine about him. I know he's all business, and I know he's ultra competitive. I "get" that. I really do.

But what I'm realizing is that this organization does not have the ability to see PERFORMANCES and grade a top-10 pick on those performances. If we did, we would have picked VY or RB...but we chose an unconventional route with Mario Williams, based on price vs. VY and RB.

But now we want to move up and SPEND on Brady Quinn?

That's the head-scratching part that I'm talking about. That's the sort of stuff that makes me consider leaving this team. I can understand busting on a few players at the top of the draft, but when you had VY in the palm of your hand....and wait for Brady Quinn...AND pay more (to move up) than you had to with VY...I gotta' sit back and re-evaluate the thinking process of this team's FO.

It's becoming a pattern, IMO. And it's getting stupid.

Dump Carr for another QB who "looks" good but has had about the same "big game" success as Carr?

When you stack VY and BQ side-by-side and you see how VY willed his team to victory...vs. BQ who "has a bad defense that he has to put up 45 points to try and win a game" then I have all I need to form my opinion.

David Carr also has had a bad defense that he needed to put up big points to overcome. You are 100% POSITIVELY SURE that BQ can come in and do what David didn't?

Because I gotta' tell you, at the end of the day, the two guys are spitting images of each other. Period.

Our defense is still awful. It didn't magically get better with a journeyman LB named Danny Clark that I've never heard of before. How is Quinn going to do what David didn't?

That's my big question: Tell me HOW BQ can do what DC couldn't?

I don't want to hear "Well, I think he has a better support system than Carr had..." and all that psychobabble nonsense that screams "I like N.D. and I think he'd do great here." We've got an LSU fan on this board who says "we ought to get Landry and it's not just because I am a HUGE LSU FAN." Riiiiiiiiiiiiight.

I like TTU, a lot, but I don't think any of those guys are fits for our team--They can play, especially Joel Filani at WR...but I don't hammer on you guys about how he would go over big on our team if we drafted him.

I can detach bias, unlike a lot of people here.

Again, at the end of the day, how does BQ get done what DC could not?

New guy, same problems. We need a bonified playmaker and game changer at QB. I don't see one that's worthy of that in this year's draft. JeMarcus Russell MIGHT be close to it, but I think he's still a bigger gamble than VY ever was.

Please let this be a smokescreen to leverage draft position.

Pretty please, with a cherry and whipped cream on top.

hollywood_texan
03-09-2007, 07:39 PM
Excellent post Gpshafer!!!!

AlbinoRat
03-09-2007, 07:44 PM
Floats the ball on deep passes? Sounds like Carr to me.

Team defense sucked and he suffered for it? Sounds like Carr to me.

There is only one difference between Carr and Quinn: Age.

They both "look" good, that's about the only positive that I can see. He was on "Path to the Draft" and the tv hosts were raving about how his body looked at the combine when he took his shirt off for measurements. Whoopee.

You Domers need to curb your man crush on your QB. He's not awful, I'll grant you that, but he's not worthy of the No. 6 pick...He's a late first rounder at-best IMO.

Why we would attempt to drastically re-build this team with Quinn when we just dumped a No. 1 pick (Carr) is beyond me.

I hate UT. I was against VY coming here--I thought his performance in the Rose Bowl was a fluke. I was wrong. He DESTROYED a USC team every time he had the ball, regardless of USC's bad defense. He took the game over, on his shoulders, and this team very ignorantly passed on him in the draft. Looking back, I wished we had taken Vince.

But I cannot foresee me feeling that way about Quinn if he cam ehere. I have read a story in ESPN Magazine about him. I know he's all business, and I know he's ultra competitive. I "get" that. I really do.

But what I'm realizing is that this organization does not have the ability to see PERFORMANCES and grade a top-10 pick on those performances. If we did, we would have picked VY or RB...but we chose an unconventional route with Mario Williams, based on price vs. VY and RB.

But now we want to move up and SPEND on Brady Quinn?

That's the head-scratching part that I'm talking about. That's the sort of stuff that makes me consider leaving this team. I can understand busting on a few players at the top of the draft, but when you had VY in the palm of your hand....and wait for Brady Quinn...AND pay more (to move up) than you had to with VY...I gotta' sit back and re-evaluate the thinking process of this team's FO.

It's becoming a pattern, IMO. And it's getting stupid.

Dump Carr for another QB who "looks" good but has had about the same "big game" success as Carr?

When you stack VY and BQ side-by-side and you see how VY willed his team to victory...vs. BQ who "has a bad defense that he has to put up 45 points to try and win a game" then I have all I need to form my opinion.

David Carr also has had a bad defense that he needed to put up big points to overcome. You are 100% POSITIVELY SURE that BQ can come in and do what David didn't?

Because I gotta' tell you, at the end of the day, the two guys are spitting images of each other. Period.

Our defense is still awful. It didn't magically get better with a journeyman LB named Danny Clark that I've never heard of before. How is Quinn going to do what David didn't?

That's my big question: Tell me HOW BQ can do what DC couldn't?

I don't want to hear "Well, I think he has a better support system than Carr had..." and all that psychobabble nonsense that screams "I like N.D. and I think he'd do great here." We've got an LSU fan on this board who says "we ought to get Landry and it's not just because I am a HUGE LSU FAN." Riiiiiiiiiiiiight.

I like TTU, a lot, but I don't think any of those guys are fits for our team--They can play, especially Joel Filani at WR...but I don't hammer on you guys about how he would go over big on our team if we drafted him.

I can detach bias, unlike a lot of people here.

Again, at the end of the day, how does BQ get done what DC could not?

New guy, same problems. We need a bonified playmaker and game changer at QB. I don't see one that's worthy of that in this year's draft. JeMarcus Russell MIGHT be close to it, but I think he's still a bigger gamble than VY ever was.

Please let this be a smokescreen to leverage draft position.

Pretty please, with a cherry and whipped cream on top.

You and I should be friends. I am anti getting Quinn because I don't see where the improvement is. By the way...I prefer Jarrett Hicks to Filani.

Wolf
03-09-2007, 09:15 PM
good post GP..

David's Busted Carr
03-09-2007, 09:18 PM
Floats the ball on deep passes? Sounds like Carr to me.

Team defense sucked and he suffered for it? Sounds like Carr to me.

There is only one difference between Carr and Quinn: Age.

They both "look" good, that's about the only positive that I can see. He was on "Path to the Draft" and the tv hosts were raving about how his body looked at the combine when he took his shirt off for measurements. Whoopee.

You Domers need to curb your man crush on your QB. He's not awful, I'll grant you that, but he's not worthy of the No. 6 pick...He's a late first rounder at-best IMO.

Why we would attempt to drastically re-build this team with Quinn when we just dumped a No. 1 pick (Carr) is beyond me.

I hate UT. I was against VY coming here--I thought his performance in the Rose Bowl was a fluke. I was wrong. He DESTROYED a USC team every time he had the ball, regardless of USC's bad defense. He took the game over, on his shoulders, and this team very ignorantly passed on him in the draft. Looking back, I wished we had taken Vince.

But I cannot foresee me feeling that way about Quinn if he cam ehere. I have read a story in ESPN Magazine about him. I know he's all business, and I know he's ultra competitive. I "get" that. I really do.

But what I'm realizing is that this organization does not have the ability to see PERFORMANCES and grade a top-10 pick on those performances. If we did, we would have picked VY or RB...but we chose an unconventional route with Mario Williams, based on price vs. VY and RB.

But now we want to move up and SPEND on Brady Quinn?

That's the head-scratching part that I'm talking about. That's the sort of stuff that makes me consider leaving this team. I can understand busting on a few players at the top of the draft, but when you had VY in the palm of your hand....and wait for Brady Quinn...AND pay more (to move up) than you had to with VY...I gotta' sit back and re-evaluate the thinking process of this team's FO.

It's becoming a pattern, IMO. And it's getting stupid.

Dump Carr for another QB who "looks" good but has had about the same "big game" success as Carr?

When you stack VY and BQ side-by-side and you see how VY willed his team to victory...vs. BQ who "has a bad defense that he has to put up 45 points to try and win a game" then I have all I need to form my opinion.

David Carr also has had a bad defense that he needed to put up big points to overcome. You are 100% POSITIVELY SURE that BQ can come in and do what David didn't?

Because I gotta' tell you, at the end of the day, the two guys are spitting images of each other. Period.

Our defense is still awful. It didn't magically get better with a journeyman LB named Danny Clark that I've never heard of before. How is Quinn going to do what David didn't?

That's my big question: Tell me HOW BQ can do what DC couldn't?

I don't want to hear "Well, I think he has a better support system than Carr had..." and all that psychobabble nonsense that screams "I like N.D. and I think he'd do great here." We've got an LSU fan on this board who says "we ought to get Landry and it's not just because I am a HUGE LSU FAN." Riiiiiiiiiiiiight.

I like TTU, a lot, but I don't think any of those guys are fits for our team--They can play, especially Joel Filani at WR...but I don't hammer on you guys about how he would go over big on our team if we drafted him.

I can detach bias, unlike a lot of people here.

Again, at the end of the day, how does BQ get done what DC could not?

New guy, same problems. We need a bonified playmaker and game changer at QB. I don't see one that's worthy of that in this year's draft. JeMarcus Russell MIGHT be close to it, but I think he's still a bigger gamble than VY ever was.

Please let this be a smokescreen to leverage draft position.

Pretty please, with a cherry and whipped cream on top.

Again back to what I said. Every player (person) will act (play) differently. There are no 2 people that are alike. So you can sit there and compare all the tangible and comparable stats all day long and to me it means nothing.

We didn't draft Vince Young last year b/c he throws funny, he's not smart enough, and never played under center in college so won't adapt to pro football. The bottom line is the guy can PLAY.

Carr just doesn't have it at the NFL level. It remains to be seen how Quinn will produce in the NFL, but sitting there and writing that he is David Carr reincarte is just ridiculous.

And I'm not even a Brady Quinn lover (look at my avatar), but I'm just sick of people giving him ***** just b/c of how we got burned with Carr.

HE IS A DIFFERENT PLAYER! PERIOD!!!!!

Wolf
03-09-2007, 09:40 PM
how do you know he is a different player?

me if the stars aligned right.i'd love to have AP (or AD) and Carr at center (for atleast a year) then what we have and Quinn...


unless this brings in single guys to the seats of reliant

http://mud.mm-a6.yimg.com/image/3440129314

Insideop
03-09-2007, 10:44 PM
imo the biggest differnce is if im not mistaking didnt carr have a good surrounding team?????quinns team sux....there defense was atrosicious and who were the receivers????/and quinns oline wasnt good and yet he was still rpoductive. he already knows how to deal with crap for supporting cast......

You know, I've heard this all before, and to me it just doesn't add up. When has Fresno St. ever had the kind of talent that ND gets every year? I believe NEVER!

Here is a list of some of the players from ND coming out in this years draft:
1) Brady Quinn, QB, projected 1st rd.
2) Darius Walker, RB, projected 3rd to 4th rd.
3) Rhema McKnight, WR, projected 4th to 5th rd. (this answers who he threw to)
4) Jeff Samardzija, WR, projected 5th rd. (another of his targets and would have gone higher but wants to play MLB)
5) Ryan Harris, OT, projected 4th to 5th rd. (part of that bad O-line you say he had, and OBTW, someone the Texans are looking at drafting)
6) Dan Santucci, G, projected 5th to 6th rd.
7) Derek Landri, DT, projected 5th to 6th rd.
8) Mike Richardson, CB, possible UFA
9) Chinedum Ndukwe, FS, projected 7th rd.

I'm sure I missed some, but you get the point. Brady Quinn had a lot of talent around him. ND is year in and year out in the top 20, and more often than not top 10, in high school football recruiting. There's no way anybody can tell me that Quinn had a crappy no-talent team around him! I just can't buy it. JMHO!

I wonder how many players were draft from Carr's Fresno St. team that was so good? :hmmm:

Wolf
03-09-2007, 10:47 PM
bernard (wr) was good..chicago took him 3rd(?) but need to research that

Please_Evolve
03-10-2007, 01:12 AM
bernard (wr) was good..chicago took him 3rd(?) but need to research that

It took a while for Bernard to hit the scene and find his place. He seems to have some injury problems too but...it is football.

Speaking of Detachments. Why is it EVERY QB gets the Carr Litmus test with you guys?

I understand how some people could be disenfranchised with the thought of
Brady Quinn. He played at Nothre Dame. He's been shoved down out throats the past two years in the national media. I feel your pain with that. I have a friend that's a huge ND fan.

All that aside. Let's give this some perspective. In the great ND lore...Brady has rewritten the QB books there. The past two years he's thrown at 30+ TD's and 7 or less Ints. HE doesn't have the fastest skill set there despite what some of you insist. I mean it's not a coincidence that the team got burnt when it faced elite speed teams like USC, Ohio State, Michigan,LSU, etc. Watching most of those games Brady did what he could to put his team ina position to win. Being a team sport the last time i checked one man can only carry his side of the team so far. He's usually faced a tough scedule and basically played under a micorscope at ND and SUCCEEDED. That kind of pressure build diamonds not glass. So if we draft him and he's put unde rthe national scrutiny again i'm lead to believe that'll be no big deal for him as that's what he's faced the past 4 years. I'd also like to add at he's played for national titles and hesiman candidacy. Honestly....for a prospect that resume is sparkling and whatever you might think i am absolutely positive HC, Scouts, GMs are salivating.

You won't be able to see anything in a QB now or in the future until you remove the "well how does he stack up to Carr" Blinders. But hey if that suits you...wear them.

real
03-10-2007, 02:04 AM
Brady Quinn is better than David Carr...

The difference between the two isn't physical, it's mental....

Carr panics, Quinn performs. If the game is on the line and I need my quaterback to complete a pass and the game is over, I'm rolling with Quinn...I've seen him perform well in clutch situations, with little offensive talent around him....Good pocket presence....Poised under pressure...

In fact, he's the anti-Carr...

Dr. Toro
03-10-2007, 08:18 AM
Quinn got sacked 31 times this year (1 sack per 15 attempts). VY got sacked 13 times in 2005 (1 sack per 25 attempts). Russell got sacked 15 times this year (1 sack per 23 attempts). Quinn was sacked less frequently in 2005 (every 23 attempts) but more frequently in 2004 (every 14 attempts).

Things I like about Quinn: Good footwork, fluid athlete, extremely good decision making, improved every year, has the ability to distribute the ball quickly.

Things I don't like about Quinn: Takes too many hits, never won or dominated a big game, 7.34 YPA (low compared to Leinart, Young, Russell, higher than Cutler)

Things I don't care about: Weis' approval, "NFL system", Tom Brady comparisons, bench reps, how good he looks.

I think he'd be a fine fit for Kubiak's system.

Specnatz
03-10-2007, 09:23 AM
http://sportsyenta.blogspot.com/2006/11/breaking-down-brady-quinn.html

An interesting piece on Quinn

You call that garbage interresting? It reads more like a usc freshman wrote it. Got to love his map on being a ND fan, typical of a usc or Michigan fan. Sounds like someone is jealous that ND is on TV every week. To freakin bad get over it or don't all the say because usc is not.

Musberger and Davie are broadcasters who work for ABC/ESPN and they expound on every team they cover how great they are. They are not analyst who break teams down and say this team or this player is great like Holtz and May May (Notre Dame) hater. Mark May said ND would go 0-6 in 2005 and not once did he say he made a mistake when ND went 5-1.

I do not make excuses and say BQ is the greatest QB eve and for those that want to talk about winning the big game, why does it only apply to a ND QB? Peyton Manning never beat Florida. Was it Leinart who beat ND in 2005 or was it Bush who pushed him into the end zone. Leinart also did not beat Texas. What national title did Bret Farve win? Tom Bardy had a what record at Michigan?

When looking at the Brady Quinn as a QB you look at his

Arm strength ... above avg
Accuracy ........ above avg
Intelligence ..... way above avg
poise ............. My opinion is he has it (this is where people opinion differ)
It Factor ........ I have no clue and neither does anyone else until someone wins the super bowl.

Please do not bring up college championships because I will give you
Gino Torretta

GP your hater is blinding you. (You Domers need to curb your man crush?) Hey genius there are only two peoepl e the post regularly on this board who have a huge lean towards Notre Dame. Everyone else just has an opinion just like you do. So is it ok for them to tell you to curb your love for who ever. Oh in fact why don't you actually go back to school and retake reading and comprehention. I posted my views on how Quinn is as a QB because I have seen all of his games, good and bad. I have seen what he does good and what he does bad. No one said Notre dame had no talent on the team, but they do not have the talent of usc or Michigan. as much as you hate Quinn I can honestly say there is no way in the world you can even think of drafting Drew Stanton if you have ever seen any of his games. This guy is a choke artist.

Oh by the way, getting your info on the Texans moving up in the draft from Len P, is not the smartest thing to do.

Since gp can not understand what I have posted I will re-type it in bold.

I would rather DRAFT LEVI BROWN in the first and then either in the second or third (conflicting reports on where he will go) I would draft KEVIN KOLB.

I like Quinnn but I also know that this teams needs to fix the O-line or no matter who is at the helm the team is doomed to failure.

Runner
03-10-2007, 09:28 AM
I'd say the biggest difference is they are two different people/players. JMO, though.

yourfavoritetexan42
03-10-2007, 10:27 AM
Floats the ball on deep passes? Sounds like Carr to me.

Team defense sucked and he suffered for it? Sounds like Carr to me.

There is only one difference between Carr and Quinn: Age.

They both "look" good, that's about the only positive that I can see. He was on "Path to the Draft" and the tv hosts were raving about how his body looked at the combine when he took his shirt off for measurements. Whoopee.

You Domers need to curb your man crush on your QB. He's not awful, I'll grant you that, but he's not worthy of the No. 6 pick...He's a late first rounder at-best IMO.

Why we would attempt to drastically re-build this team with Quinn when we just dumped a No. 1 pick (Carr) is beyond me.

I hate UT. I was against VY coming here--I thought his performance in the Rose Bowl was a fluke. I was wrong. He DESTROYED a USC team every time he had the ball, regardless of USC's bad defense. He took the game over, on his shoulders, and this team very ignorantly passed on him in the draft. Looking back, I wished we had taken Vince.

But I cannot foresee me feeling that way about Quinn if he cam ehere. I have read a story in ESPN Magazine about him. I know he's all business, and I know he's ultra competitive. I "get" that. I really do.

But what I'm realizing is that this organization does not have the ability to see PERFORMANCES and grade a top-10 pick on those performances. If we did, we would have picked VY or RB...but we chose an unconventional route with Mario Williams, based on price vs. VY and RB.

But now we want to move up and SPEND on Brady Quinn?

That's the head-scratching part that I'm talking about. That's the sort of stuff that makes me consider leaving this team. I can understand busting on a few players at the top of the draft, but when you had VY in the palm of your hand....and wait for Brady Quinn...AND pay more (to move up) than you had to with VY...I gotta' sit back and re-evaluate the thinking process of this team's FO.

It's becoming a pattern, IMO. And it's getting stupid.

Dump Carr for another QB who "looks" good but has had about the same "big game" success as Carr?

When you stack VY and BQ side-by-side and you see how VY willed his team to victory...vs. BQ who "has a bad defense that he has to put up 45 points to try and win a game" then I have all I need to form my opinion.

David Carr also has had a bad defense that he needed to put up big points to overcome. You are 100% POSITIVELY SURE that BQ can come in and do what David didn't?

Because I gotta' tell you, at the end of the day, the two guys are spitting images of each other. Period.

Our defense is still awful. It didn't magically get better with a journeyman LB named Danny Clark that I've never heard of before. How is Quinn going to do what David didn't?

That's my big question: Tell me HOW BQ can do what DC couldn't?

I don't want to hear "Well, I think he has a better support system than Carr had..." and all that psychobabble nonsense that screams "I like N.D. and I think he'd do great here." We've got an LSU fan on this board who says "we ought to get Landry and it's not just because I am a HUGE LSU FAN." Riiiiiiiiiiiiight.

I like TTU, a lot, but I don't think any of those guys are fits for our team--They can play, especially Joel Filani at WR...but I don't hammer on you guys about how he would go over big on our team if we drafted him.

I can detach bias, unlike a lot of people here.

Again, at the end of the day, how does BQ get done what DC could not?

New guy, same problems. We need a bonified playmaker and game changer at QB. I don't see one that's worthy of that in this year's draft. JeMarcus Russell MIGHT be close to it, but I think he's still a bigger gamble than VY ever was.

Please let this be a smokescreen to leverage draft position.

Pretty please, with a cherry and whipped cream on top.



I for one was to keep Carr and just have him stay through this process of us building a team, because I would much rather have someone with potential be back there trying to win for us, than someone who has no potential. I went to a lot of practices before last season...and I am sorry but Sage doesn't make very good reads, he misses a lot of open receivers, and when it comes to zip the ball in between two defenders, he can't do it. He did good in the preseason and came in during garbage time and was effective, awesome...who cares. He is a good backup don't get me wrong, but getting rid of Carr and having Rosenfels step in is just us telling the nfl "give us 2 more high first round picks...and 3 years from now we will compete for the playoffs".

What I am saying is player to player, Brady Quinn is a lot better than what David Carr was coming out of college. Brady Quinn always put his team in a position to win, and in his last two years, I never saw him not do his part to make sure his team was going to come out with a W. He never thre 0 touchdowns, never had under 50 yards never threw a lot of interceptions, when he made mistakes, he bounced back, and he played with passion. The reason why I like the big school quarterbacks as opposed to the small school is because this is how it goes down coming out of high school, if you are a good qb you will get offered from the big schools and small schools, the big schools (notre dame, usc, florida etc.) well say "we d love to have you, but once you get here, you have to earn your starting spot, nothing is guaranteed, you will be competiting with some very good quarterbacks". And the small schools say "If you come here, starting job is yours for four years!" Brady Quinn was the number 2 qb coming out of high school, he wanted a challenge, Carr took the easy way out. While Carr will be in the offseason playing golf and making appearances with his trophy wife, Quinn will be busting his butt in the weight room and watching film, working with receivers. Since a few days after his bowl game, he has been training with USC receiver dwayne jarret on routes, obviously he has been in the weight room (24 reps) and he has had Charlie Weis to refer to, and when Weis says that he is the next Tom Brady, I think he has room to talk, because I mean...he did create Tom Brady.

That is why I think Brady Quinn is a step above David Carr.

Now for what you said about the Texans and Brady Quinn, it matters where we stand. We don't know all the details, if Carr is working his butt off and wants to stay, lets keep him and pickup laron landry at safety or get a big man on the interior of our defensive line. If Carr doesn't workout, we can always draft a young qb in the future, and the longer we wait, the easier it ll be for them to step in. If Carr wants to leave, well we can throw the season and just keep Rosenfels and draft a defensive player high to build our defense yet again, or we can draft this kid out of notre dame, and see how competitve he really is.

In college I always said Brady Quinn is much better than Leinart, because he does the same leinart does, without all the weapons. Well watching leinart throw all over the bears on monday night, and leinart work wonders in his rookie year, I am curious to see what BQ can step in and do.