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Wolf
03-09-2007, 11:52 AM
http://blogs.chron.com/fanblogtexans/

Sources indicated that the Texans were actually trying out QB Patrick Ramsey for the starting job. If that is true, the team may be going in a direction some weren't expecting. From your e-mails and comments, many of you feel that if anyone should deserve a shot at the starting job, it's Sage Rosenfels. Would anyone have felt confident about Ramsey being the opening-day starting QB for the Texans? Maybe. Maybe not.

***** For all of the reports out there that Jake Plummer could still land in Houston (channel 13 reported it last night), the latest news is that Plummer could be traded from Tampa Bay to Oakland in a deal that would include Randy Moss. Plummer has been noted that he would only play for the TEXANS, but now he may have changed his tune and is considering heading to Raider-nation.

How is this significant for us and the Texans? Because if Plummer does end up with Oakland, he will be the starting QB and Andrew Walter will play backup. That also means that Oakland may be deciding to NOT draft JaMarcus Russell and go with a WR with their first pick. If that's the case, everyone's mock draft suddenly implodes and this leaves the Texans with a wider range of opportunities for draft day.

Scottyboy
03-09-2007, 11:55 AM
Intresting... Im still leaning toward Quinn!:joker:

HuttoKarl
03-09-2007, 11:57 AM
I guess Plumstache to the Raiders would mean two opportunities a season to stick it to Shanny. Sending Moss to TB opens up the Raiders to taking Calvin Johnson, which is what they should do anyway.

real
03-09-2007, 12:00 PM
How about Plummer to the Raiders is just a smoke screen.

Wolf
03-09-2007, 12:05 PM
NFL insiders now are writing that the Texans have expressed a great deal of interest in BYU QB John Beck in this year's draft. However, some NFL insiders are asking whether this is just a ploy by the Texans to try to shift other team's interest away from Brady Quinn.


from the link

HuttoKarl
03-09-2007, 12:20 PM
from the link

Beck's a nice QB who could be had late....I'd like him to be our QB if we drafted him.

powerfuldragon
03-09-2007, 12:50 PM
Intresting... Im still leaning toward Quinn!:joker:

i think if we draft a qb, we'll get kolb.

El Tejano
03-09-2007, 12:53 PM
Good gosh. I don't want any Carr II's or III's.

Texan_Bill
03-09-2007, 12:54 PM
i think if we draft a qb, we'll get kolb.

i think if we draft a qb, we WANT kolb. Sorry I edited your post, but I have wishfull thinking behind it...

HuttoKarl
03-09-2007, 12:59 PM
i think if we draft a qb, we WANT kolb. Sorry I edited your post, but I have wishfull thinking behind it...


...some of y'all want Kolb...

Texan_Bill
03-09-2007, 01:06 PM
...some of y'all want Kolb...

I hear what you are saying... But judging by some previous threads, it would be a little more than "some".. I will go out on a limb and say "a lot"....

Second Honeymoon
03-09-2007, 01:14 PM
from the link

i would be totally down with grabbing Beck in the 3rd round. he is a cerebral QB with a more than adequate arm. I just can't see us taking the kid out of Cougar High. Their QBs havent exactly set the world on fire in the past....just ask the Bengals and Lions

Second Honeymoon
03-09-2007, 01:15 PM
I hear what you are saying... But judging by some previous threads, it would be a little more than "some".. I will go out on a limb and say "a lot"....


yeah a lot of people around here are really high on him. he did have a dang good bowl game though so it makes you have to consider him but I don't count myself as one of the converted.

Specnatz
03-09-2007, 01:23 PM
i would be totally down with grabbing Beck in the 3rd round. he is a cerebral QB with a more than adequate arm. I just can't see us taking the kid out of Cougar High. Their QBs havent exactly set the world on fire in the past....just ask the Bengals and Lions

I would not ask the Bengals (of old) or the Lions (for the last 125 yrs) to fold my laundry, they would find a way to screw it up. If you do not have good personnel around a QB or good coaches he is bound to fail.

Second Honeymoon
03-09-2007, 01:25 PM
I would not ask the Bengals (of old) or the Lions (for the last 125 yrs) to fold my laundry, they would find a way to screw it up. If you do not have good personnel around a QB or good coaches he is bound to fail.

didnt Ware have Barry Sanders? Klingler just stunk but I thought Ware had a shot. But i totally get what you are saying.

dirty steve
03-09-2007, 03:46 PM
didnt Ware have Barry Sanders? Klingler just stunk but I thought Ware had a shot. But i totally get what you are saying.
awhile back 610 went over all of the past Lions Qb's and the only one they could find that at least made a dent was Bobby layne--50 years ago. if i were a QB, i would try to spin myself away from there.

yourfavoritetexan42
03-09-2007, 03:47 PM
Good gosh. I don't want any Carr II's or III's.

stupid comment.

You say that, because they are both good looking men. Thats the only thing similar they have.

Brady Quinn has played in big games, the biggest regular season college game of all time (vs usc last season).

Carr never played in good games.

Brady Quinn had good stats against credible opponents.
Carr didnt.

Brady Quinn went through thick, and played well through the thin as well.
Carr didn't.

Brady Quinn was coached by one of the best offensive minds in football.
Carr didn't.

Brady Quinn has a lot more awareness and plays very mature for a college qb.
Carr kind of did, but not on the level as quinn.

Brady Quinn had great numbers against premiere programs like LSU OSU Michgian USC Penn State Tenn.
I dont think carr played one of those programs.

Brady Quinn has an oppurtunity to play with a good offensive line, a good running back, a pro bowl receiver, and coached from coach K from the begining.
Carr didn't.


Brady Quinn is a better prospect coming out in my opinion than David Carr, and he has a way better oppurtunity. And please...next time you say he is a carr clone...back it up with some facts... not just because they are both pretty boys. Quinn put up better numbers than Montana at notre dame, Steve Young John Elway Tom Brady Peyton Manning Carson Palmer Joe Montana Joe Namath Brett Favre Matt Leinart Troy Aikman... all pretty boy quarterbacks... and I think I would take any one of those...

GP
03-09-2007, 04:07 PM
stupid comment.

You say that, because they are both good looking men. Thats the only thing similar they have.

Brady Quinn has played in big games, the biggest regular season college game of all time (vs usc last season).

Carr never played in good games.

Brady Quinn had good stats against credible opponents.
Carr didnt.

Brady Quinn went through thick, and played well through the thin as well.
Carr didn't.

Brady Quinn was coached by one of the best offensive minds in football.
Carr didn't.

Brady Quinn has a lot more awareness and plays very mature for a college qb.
Carr kind of did, but not on the level as quinn.

Brady Quinn had great numbers against premiere programs like LSU OSU Michgian USC Penn State Tenn.
I dont think carr played one of those programs.

Brady Quinn has an oppurtunity to play with a good offensive line, a good running back, a pro bowl receiver, and coached from coach K from the begining.
Carr didn't.


Brady Quinn is a better prospect coming out in my opinion than David Carr, and he has a way better oppurtunity. And please...next time you say he is a carr clone...back it up with some facts... not just because they are both pretty boys. Quinn put up better numbers than Montana at notre dame, Steve Young John Elway Tom Brady Peyton Manning Carson Palmer Joe Montana Joe Namath Brett Favre Matt Leinart Troy Aikman... all pretty boy quarterbacks... and I think I would take any one of those...

Show me the HUGE game that Quinn has had. One big comeback this past season, right?

He's done ZILCH.

He is a David Carr in the making. Period.

Everybody raves about how he looks and blah-blah-blah.

ND was better TWO years ago than they were this past season.

Quinn regressed, IMO, which is a mirror image of what Carr has done here.

Vince Young dismantled the GOD of NCAA (USC) in the BIGGEST game of the year, perhaps (I would argue) the biggest college football game since 2000, and working on being the greatest achievement by a QB for the whole decade from 2000-2010. ANd this is coming from myself who is NOT a Vince Young fan. I don't even like UT, bro.

But the facts are the facts: Quinn is not the QB he's being made out to be.

Period.

If we get Quinn, I'm gone. Forever.

I cannot handle two workout warriors drafted as the franchise QB. Because this whole "Carr sucks" mantra on this board will continue for another 5 years with "Brady Quinn sucks" in its place.

I'm sure he's a nice guy. I'm sure he'd do well as a backup on most NFL teams. But I'd take Kolb over Quinn any day.

Kolb is a robot. He just hits receivers all day long. Over and over and over and over again. Robot.

Andre Ware was a scrambler, a guy who couldn't beat people with his legs in the NFL...and he landed on a talentless Detroit team (other than Barry Sanders, who also didn't take that team anywhere). Kolb is a better pocket passer than Quinn.

So whywould we take Quinn and have another David Carr? I don't understand it.

And that's why I would leave this team if it happens. SOme say "Fine, go ahead and do that. You're not a true fan then..." But it's more like avoiding the same horrible nightmare and jokes from the media and from your friends for the next five years....AGAIN. :wheel:

Goodness, I hope this all a smokescreen to get interest piqued in Carr and to getting teams to trade up to our spot(s). Please tell me this is what this is, oh football Gods of wonder.

Texan_Bill
03-09-2007, 04:15 PM
yeah a lot of people around here are really high on him. he did have a dang good bowl game though so it makes you have to consider him but I don't count myself as one of the converted.

Again, I respect that, but I have seen him play in person several times over the last four years... I have been impressed.

BUT as we all know, college success doesn't necessarily conver to pro success and vice-versa.

dbspi
03-09-2007, 04:16 PM
stupid comment.

You say that, because they are both good looking men. Thats the only thing similar they have.

Brady Quinn has played in big games, the biggest regular season college game of all time (vs usc last season).

Carr never played in good games.

Brady Quinn had good stats against credible opponents.
Carr didnt.

Brady Quinn went through thick, and played well through the thin as well.
Carr didn't.

Brady Quinn was coached by one of the best offensive minds in football.
Carr didn't.

Brady Quinn has a lot more awareness and plays very mature for a college qb.
Carr kind of did, but not on the level as quinn.

Brady Quinn had great numbers against premiere programs like LSU OSU Michgian USC Penn State Tenn.
I dont think carr played one of those programs.

Brady Quinn has an oppurtunity to play with a good offensive line, a good running back, a pro bowl receiver, and coached from coach K from the begining.
Carr didn't.


Brady Quinn is a better prospect coming out in my opinion than David Carr, and he has a way better oppurtunity. And please...next time you say he is a carr clone...back it up with some facts... not just because they are both pretty boys. Quinn put up better numbers than Montana at notre dame, Steve Young John Elway Tom Brady Peyton Manning Carson Palmer Joe Montana Joe Namath Brett Favre Matt Leinart Troy Aikman... all pretty boy quarterbacks... and I think I would take any one of those...

Joe Montana always found a way to win ball games example (cotton bowl games against Houston Cougar) where as Quinn never did that. He never won against any top teams. I am not much into stats games and really don't care for it but I care about winning. Elite level QB always find a way to win ball games no matter what the circumstances Quinn never did that.

Vince Young also found a way to win ball games when all odds were against them and he did it very consistently at a very high level.

Finding a way to win ball games based on their skill level alone is a sign of greatness and this translate very well to the pro level as well. Against every big games, Quinn failed to deliver.

Please don't say he failed due to his OL or defense. The last time he failed was against LSU in the bowl games this year. I expected a better showing from him against LSU but he failed miserably.

Texan_Bill
03-09-2007, 04:20 PM
Joe Montana always found a way to win ball games example (cotton bowl games against Houston Cougar) where as Quinn never did that. He never won against any top teams. I am not much into stats games and really don't care for it but I care about winning. Elite level QB always find a way to win ball games no matter what the circumstances Quinn never did that.
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Thanks for that... If I would have never been reminded of that - it would have been too soon... There goes my weekend... j/jk

281
03-09-2007, 04:24 PM
If we get Quinn, I'm gone. Forever.

I really don't want Quinn either, but man am I disappointed in you. I thought you were a better fan.

Dunta_23
03-09-2007, 04:24 PM
So based on your theory, before this season you would have taken Vince Young over Peyton Manning as your QB??? Or Vince Young over Dan Marino...because he won his National Championship game?

mexican_texan
03-09-2007, 04:27 PM
Show me the HUGE game that Quinn has had. One big comeback this past season, right?

He's done ZILCH.

He is a David Carr in the making. Period.

Everybody raves about how he looks and blah-blah-blah.

ND was better TWO years ago than they were this past season.

Quinn regressed, IMO, which is a mirror image of what Carr has done here.

Vince Young dismantled the GOD of NCAA (USC) in the BIGGEST game of the year, perhaps (I would argue) the biggest college football game since 2000, and working on being the greatest achievement by a QB for the whole decade from 2000-2010. ANd this is coming from myself who is NOT a Vince Young fan. I don't even like UT, bro.

But the facts are the facts: Quinn is not the QB he's being made out to be.

Period.

If we get Quinn, I'm gone. Forever.

I cannot handle two workout warriors drafted as the franchise QB. Because this whole "Carr sucks" mantra on this board will continue for another 5 years with "Brady Quinn sucks" in its place.

I'm sure he's a nice guy. I'm sure he'd do well as a backup on most NFL teams. But I'd take Kolb over Quinn any day.

Kolb is a robot. He just hits receivers all day long. Over and over and over and over again. Robot.

Andre Ware was a scrambler, a guy who couldn't beat people with his legs in the NFL...and he landed on a talentless Detroit team (other than Barry Sanders, who also didn't take that team anywhere). Kolb is a better pocket passer than Quinn.

So whywould we take Quinn and have another David Carr? I don't understand it.

And that's why I would leave this team if it happens. SOme say "Fine, go ahead and do that. You're not a true fan then..." But it's more like avoiding the same horrible nightmare and jokes from the media and from your friends for the next five years....AGAIN. :wheel:

Goodness, I hope this all a smokescreen to get interest piqued in Carr and to getting teams to trade up to our spot(s). Please tell me this is what this is, oh football Gods of wonder.
Notre Dame didn't surround him with great talent.

freedoggy77
03-09-2007, 06:47 PM
i'm happy with Drew Stanton, Kevin Kolb or John Beck

MATRIX
03-09-2007, 09:51 PM
I hear what you are saying... But judging by some previous threads, it would be a little more than "some".. I will go out on a limb and say "a lot"....

Hell no...qb of a system. Stanton is better and so are others in RDs past 1 an 2.

Kaiser Toro
03-09-2007, 10:03 PM
Show me the HUGE game that Quinn has had. One big comeback this past season, right?

He's done ZILCH.

He is a David Carr in the making. Period.

Everybody raves about how he looks and blah-blah-blah.

ND was better TWO years ago than they were this past season.

Quinn regressed, IMO, which is a mirror image of what Carr has done here.

Vince Young dismantled the GOD of NCAA (USC) in the BIGGEST game of the year, perhaps (I would argue) the biggest college football game since 2000, and working on being the greatest achievement by a QB for the whole decade from 2000-2010. ANd this is coming from myself who is NOT a Vince Young fan. I don't even like UT, bro.

But the facts are the facts: Quinn is not the QB he's being made out to be.

Period.

If we get Quinn, I'm gone. Forever.

I cannot handle two workout warriors drafted as the franchise QB. Because this whole "Carr sucks" mantra on this board will continue for another 5 years with "Brady Quinn sucks" in its place.

I'm sure he's a nice guy. I'm sure he'd do well as a backup on most NFL teams. But I'd take Kolb over Quinn any day.

Kolb is a robot. He just hits receivers all day long. Over and over and over and over again. Robot.

Andre Ware was a scrambler, a guy who couldn't beat people with his legs in the NFL...and he landed on a talentless Detroit team (other than Barry Sanders, who also didn't take that team anywhere). Kolb is a better pocket passer than Quinn.

So whywould we take Quinn and have another David Carr? I don't understand it.

And that's why I would leave this team if it happens. SOme say "Fine, go ahead and do that. You're not a true fan then..." But it's more like avoiding the same horrible nightmare and jokes from the media and from your friends for the next five years....AGAIN. :wheel:

Goodness, I hope this all a smokescreen to get interest piqued in Carr and to getting teams to trade up to our spot(s). Please tell me this is what this is, oh football Gods of wonder.

And yet you do not address the pretty boy comparision. It is so like you to go off topic and pocket veto the pretty boys.

I bid you adieu and leave you with a banana playing guitar, enjoy. :bguitar:

Wolf
03-09-2007, 10:06 PM
And yet you do not address the pretty boy comparision. It is so like you to go off topic and pocket veto the pretty boys.

I bid you adieu and leave you with a banana playing guitar, enjoy. :bguitar:

KT I had a rough day and thank you through the roughness and the beer (yes i really know that isn't what helps ) you made me laugh when I needed it ..........don't know what religion you are but God bless you and I thank Him for you putting your response at the right time(I was down)

Pantherstang84
03-09-2007, 10:41 PM
stupid comment.

You say that, because they are both good looking men. Thats the only thing similar they have.

Brady Quinn has played in big games, the biggest regular season college game of all time (vs usc last season).

Carr never played in good games.

Brady Quinn had good stats against credible opponents.
Carr didnt.

Brady Quinn went through thick, and played well through the thin as well.
Carr didn't.

Brady Quinn was coached by one of the best offensive minds in football.
Carr didn't.

Brady Quinn has a lot more awareness and plays very mature for a college qb.
Carr kind of did, but not on the level as quinn.

Brady Quinn had great numbers against premiere programs like LSU OSU Michgian USC Penn State Tenn.
I dont think carr played one of those programs.

Brady Quinn has an oppurtunity to play with a good offensive line, a good running back, a pro bowl receiver, and coached from coach K from the begining.
Carr didn't.


Brady Quinn is a better prospect coming out in my opinion than David Carr, and he has a way better oppurtunity. And please...next time you say he is a carr clone...back it up with some facts... not just because they are both pretty boys. Quinn put up better numbers than Montana at notre dame, Steve Young John Elway Tom Brady Peyton Manning Carson Palmer Joe Montana Joe Namath Brett Favre Matt Leinart Troy Aikman... all pretty boy quarterbacks... and I think I would take any one of those...

I'm not sold on Quinn. However, I'm not sold on Kolb either. I believe the Kolb love on this board stems from him being a local boy.

The WCO needs a QB that can move and throw at times. I'm not sure Kolb can do that.

I believe this draft is QB poor outside of Russell this year and would hope the Texans are not planning on getting their next franchise QB out of it.

Of course my opinion and $1.50 would get you a cup of coffee at McDonald's too. They would probably tell you to just keep the opinion.