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Marcus
03-09-2007, 09:23 AM
. . . what should they do?

real
03-09-2007, 09:26 AM
cut him.

real
03-09-2007, 09:28 AM
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santo
03-09-2007, 10:07 AM
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Texan_Bill
03-09-2007, 10:10 AM
LOL.... Let me go check my answer in the 3,000 other threads, just to make sure I stay consistent....:hides:

QB75
03-09-2007, 10:44 AM
LOL.... Let me go check my answer in the 3,000 other threads, just to make sure I stay consistent....:hides:

Of course we should keep him. Given that the better free agent opportunities are evaporating, I am glad to see the decision to release Carr becoming incrementally more difficult.

STONE D 55
03-09-2007, 11:03 AM
Of course we should keep him. Given that the better free agent opportunities are evaporating, I am glad to see the decision to release Carr becoming incrementally more difficult.


We could use a new WATER BOY!:joker:

threetoedpete
03-09-2007, 11:07 AM
Well it's early, but those resluts are going to hurt some folks. 65% wow !

real
03-09-2007, 11:09 AM
Hurt ? ....No...

The Texans don't want Carr...It's not too hard to see...

They aren't going to cut him because someone will atleast give a 7th for him...

Carr will be gone even if that's all they'd get...

WaywardTexanFan
03-09-2007, 11:16 AM
Keep him:poker:

Please_Evolve
03-09-2007, 11:42 AM
...this should be a no brainer.

Looking at the remaining free agent starting Qbs i'm not excited. There is a few Qb's we could look at as a project type.

Those in favor of cutting him are you really that sold on the idea of Rosenfels being your starter with what Quinton Porter your back up? If we draft a QB the only way i hope he sees any playing time is either due to injury or getting play time in a blowout win :D

real
03-09-2007, 11:44 AM
...this should be a no brainer.

Looking at the remaining free agent starting Qbs i'm not excited. There is a few Qb's we could look at as a project type.

Those in favor of cutting him are you really that sold on the idea of Rosenfels being your starter with what Quinton Porter your back up? If we draft a QB the only way i hope he sees any playing time is either due to injury or getting play time in a blowout win :D

You are acting like we'd be losing a lot by Starting Rosenfels and cutting David...

What has David done that's so irreplaceable ? I know he set the bar high with his 11 tds[:rolleyes:], but I'm sure we can find someone to hand the ball off and fumble....

A Texan
03-09-2007, 11:56 AM
...this should be a no brainer.

Looking at the remaining free agent starting Qbs i'm not excited. There is a few Qb's we could look at as a project type.

Those in favor of cutting him are you really that sold on the idea of Rosenfels being your starter with what Quinton Porter your back up? If we draft a QB the only way i hope he sees any playing time is either due to injury or getting play time in a blowout win :D
Yes. It's very hard to imagine anybody that could be more pathetically inept than Carr.

Marcus
03-11-2007, 02:18 PM
Well it's early, but those results are going to hurt some folks. 65% wow !

ehhhh. . it's the typical offseason where it's mostly pro-Carr. If this poll were to take place during actual football season, the results would be vastly different.

HoustonFrog
03-11-2007, 02:53 PM
...this should be a no brainer.

Looking at the remaining free agent starting Qbs i'm not excited. There is a few Qb's we could look at as a project type.

Those in favor of cutting him are you really that sold on the idea of Rosenfels being your starter with what Quinton Porter your back up? If we draft a QB the only way i hope he sees any playing time is either due to injury or getting play time in a blowout win :D

Where has Carr shown that he is so much better than Rosebnfels..lol. I voted cut just for the sanity of the organization and so we can have damage control while moving forward. I think the talks so far have taken us to the edge of a cliff we can't get off.

Hottoddie
03-11-2007, 03:54 PM
Some of you people crack me up. You're thinking with your emotions, rather than what's best for the organization.

I still believe in Carr, but I'm also smart enough to be able to read the writing on the wall. It's my opinion that Carr will be traded on draft day & that it will be to Oakland for a 3rd round pick.

However, to answer the original question in this thread, if we are unable to trade Carr, then we keep him. We're going to take a big hit from his bonus, whether we trade him, cut him, or keep him, anyway. We can always let him go at the end of the year, next year. But, the main reason for keeping him is, some team is most likely going to have their starting QB go down during the season. That team would be more willing to part with a 3rd, or possibly a 2nd round pick, if they're in the middle of a playoff run.

So, if you can, try & take the emotional part out of your decisions. It'll help you see more clearly. :winky:

Navy_Chris
03-11-2007, 04:28 PM
. . . what should they do?

cut cut cut cut cut

Marcus
03-11-2007, 04:29 PM
So, if you can, try & take the emotional part out of your decisions. It'll help you see more clearly. :winky:

All things considered, that's a little easier said than done.

gtexan02
03-11-2007, 04:32 PM
I want carr gone more than many, but if we can't trade him this year, I say keep him around and let him compete. If Sage gets hurt, I'm not comfortable starting Van Pelt

NFLforher
03-11-2007, 04:35 PM
I want carr gone more than many, but if we can't trade him this year, I say keep him around and let him compete. If Sage gets hurt, I'm not comfortable starting Van Pelt

IMO, it's beyond that. If they can't trade David, he'll be cut.

mexican_texan
03-11-2007, 04:38 PM
You know why Carr hasn't been successful the past few years? He hasn't had to earn his spot. There has never been a possibility of Carr losing his starting spot. Change that. Make it an open competition. If he can't beat Rosenfels or a rookie, THEN you cut him. If he can earn it, he should have the job.

HoustonFrog
03-11-2007, 04:45 PM
You know why Carr hasn't been successful the past few years? He hasn't had to earn his spot. There has never been a possibility of Carr losing his starting spot. Change that. Make it an open competition. If he can't beat Rosenfels or a rookie, THEN you cut him. If he can earn it, he should have the job.

I respect the opinion but this is team suicide. I know you are saying if he doesn't win it outright to cut him but overall if you think it is messy now, wait until the have a competition. No matter who wins out there is going to be a group or someone who is going to be cheering for the backup.,,same with the team. It is asking for a split team.

HoustonFrog
03-11-2007, 04:49 PM
Some of you people crack me up. You're thinking with your emotions, rather than what's best for the organization.

I still believe in Carr, but I'm also smart enough to be able to read the writing on the wall. It's my opinion that Carr will be traded on draft day & that it will be to Oakland for a 3rd round pick.

However, to answer the original question in this thread, if we are unable to trade Carr, then we keep him. We're going to take a big hit from his bonus, whether we trade him, cut him, or keep him, anyway. We can always let him go at the end of the year, next year. But, the main reason for keeping him is, some team is most likely going to have their starting QB go down during the season. That team would be more willing to part with a 3rd, or possibly a 2nd round pick, if they're in the middle of a playoff run.

So, if you can, try & take the emotional part out of your decisions. It'll help you see more clearly. :winky:


Exactly, which is why it is better off to get rid of the black cloud for the team's sake then keep him around. I've never advocated just cutting him outright, I'd like a pick but his value goes down if he isn't starting this year and is sitting on a bench. Not only that but you still have people who are always going to want the backup...especially if it is Carr or vice versa. This year isn't a year where we are winning anything. But we can start healing and growing and if Sage starts while a young guy learns I'm all for it. With Carr gone it gives us 5 million to spend later. Right now, we have an owner and GM who have been willing to part with him, players who have said the team is better without him and a fan base that has grown weary. Why would you want the guy still on the team. Not only for the teams sake but for his sake.

Marcus
03-11-2007, 05:01 PM
Exactly, which is why it is better off to get rid of the black cloud for the team's sake then keep him around. I've never advocated just cutting him outright, I'd like a pick but his value goes down if he isn't starting this year and is sitting on a bench. Not only that but you still have people who are always going to want the backup...especially if it is Carr or vice versa. This year isn't a year where we are winning anything. But we can start healing and growing and if Sage starts while a young guy learns I'm all for it. With Carr gone it gives us 5 million to spend later. Right now, we have an owner an dGM who have been willing to part with him, players who have said the team is better without him and a fan base that has grown weary. Why would you want the guy still on the team. Not only for the teams sake but for his sake.

Good post and good point! When you take into consideration all the comments that have been made among players, coaches, media, and fans, the atmosphere surrounding Carr has become so hostile, that it would be a distraction to the team.

Navy_Chris
03-11-2007, 05:10 PM
Good post and good point! When you take into consideration all the comments that have been made among players, coaches, media, and fans, the atmosphere surrounding Carr has become so hostile, that it would be a distraction to the team.

I agree with both of you. I haven't been a fan of DC since 2002, but it would be unfair to him to subject him to all of the negativity.

HoustonFrog
03-11-2007, 05:17 PM
I agree with both of you. I haven't been a fan of DC since 2002, but it would be unfair to him to subject him to all of the negativity.

Exactly!It isn't like I continuously advocate getting rid of him because of something personal. It goes both ways. If things worked out well for all parties, great. I have doubts on whether the guy can succeed in the league but if he is given a fresh start and we are too and we can get down to some football...it is a win/win. My main focus though is the team.

tsip
03-11-2007, 05:19 PM
...this should be a no brainer.

Looking at the remaining free agent starting Qbs i'm not excited. There is a few Qb's we could look at as a project type.

Those in favor of cutting him are you really that sold on the idea of Rosenfels being your starter with what Quinton Porter your back up? If we draft a QB the only way i hope he sees any playing time is either due to injury or getting play time in a blowout win :D

JMO, but I think any QB could throw (a) down field and (b) throw more than 11tds.

freedoggy77
03-11-2007, 08:14 PM
keep him because why would you cut a player that you wasted a first round pick on? let him compete or keep him as a backup to sage.

Second Honeymoon
03-11-2007, 08:20 PM
keep him because why would you cut a player that you wasted a first round pick on? let him compete or keep him as a backup to sage.

just so everyone knows, but THAT mentality is the reason the Texans have been in a retarded state of development since Day One. Congratulations.

kudos to at least using the word wasted though, because that is what it was...a wasted pick.

Texian
03-11-2007, 08:53 PM
Patience there haters...someone will be desperately looking for a QB between now and the start of the season. Don't let your hate get in the way of making a smart decision.

HoustonFrog
03-11-2007, 09:15 PM
Patience there haters...someone will be desperately looking for a QB be now and the start of the season. Don't let your hate get in the way of making a smart decision.

What does hate have to do with any of the above posts?It is good for both sides. Did you ever think that people have opinions that benefit both sides.

Hottoddie
03-11-2007, 09:58 PM
What does hate have to do with any of the above posts?It is good for both sides. Did you ever think that people have opinions that benefit both sides.

Try rereading them. You don't just cut a player with value, that has never caused an uproar of any sort. Carr doesn't need to be cut to start the healing process, as one poster put it. That has to be one of the dumbest comments I've ever read.

While Carr's play & decision making can be questioned, there's no way Carr's class can be questioned. The man has been a class act from the beginning & has never waivered, even with all the venom that has been spewed his way. It's the class of a hand full of posters on this board that I question.

Carr has value to another team & that team will eventually make a satisfactory offer. Benching Carr won't drop his value much & I'll bet anyone, anything, that he'll sit on the bench without making waves.

And yes, everyone is entitled to an opinion. However, there seems to be a small handfull of posters that are constantly tearing him down. They've made their point, but they won't move along. If that's not hating on a player, then you tell me what is.

Kaiser Toro
03-11-2007, 11:49 PM
If we cut Carr we get 3.5m back. That is value. We know what 7m per year yields with him at the helm over the course of five years.

Navy_Chris
03-11-2007, 11:53 PM
keep him because why would you cut a player that you wasted a first round pick on? let him compete or keep him as a backup to sage.

That's pure ego talking. You can't have that attitude when trying to improve your football team. Sometimes you just have to cut your losses. If Matt Millen could do it, so can we.

threetoedpete
03-11-2007, 11:56 PM
just so everyone knows, but THAT mentality is the reason the Texans have been in a retarded state of development since Day One. Congratulations.

kudos to at least using the word wasted though, because that is what it was...a wasted pick.

Well apperently there's 65% out there whom disagree with you. So is it a function of they are terribly misinformed or that the forty % even after the attacks are obsessing over DC ? Kinda funny actually. All of that ranting and raving, and you're still in the minority, by a lot. I never dreamed 65 %. A better man would take a second look. When the whole world is wrong and you still believe you're correct...take a second look ? One thing about it you guys are certainly consistant.

petedy
03-12-2007, 12:06 AM
I agree with both of you. I haven't been a fan of DC since 2002, but it would be unfair to him to subject him to all of the negativity.

What? This coming from you? You actually care about Carr's feelings after all the negativity that has come from you and the 37% of the other people in this poll.

HoustonFrog
03-12-2007, 12:11 AM
What? This coming from you? You actually care about Carr's feelings after all the negativity that has come from you and the 37% of the other people in this poll.

Seriously, this is a football team where guys get paid millions, not a high school most popular contest. It is about what is best for the team after taking everything into consideration. You do know there is a situation where everyone comes out ahead instead of putting a round peg into a square hole?My Lord. I am in debt up to my ears from school loans in my past and I'm working my tail off for my wife and kid to be. I don't feel sorry for a guy getting millions because message board pundits don't want him here.

Second Honeymoon
03-12-2007, 12:29 AM
Well apperently there's 65% out there whom disagree with you. So is it a function of they are terribly misinformed or that the forty % even after the attacks are obsessing over DC ? Kinda funny actually. All of that ranting and raving, and you're still in the minority, by a lot. I never dreamed 65 %. A better man would take a second look. When the whole world is wrong and you still believe you're correct...take a second look ? One thing about it you guys are certainly consistant.

it only proves that a lot of people are stubborn and wont cut their losses...

but whatever, keep defending the loser and blaming all his shortcomings on the rest of the franchise...it wont be anything i havent heard already

threetoedpete
03-12-2007, 12:33 AM
Seriously, this is a football team where guys get paid millions, not a high school most popular contest. It is about what is best for the team after taking everything into consideration. You do know there is a situation where everyone comes out ahead instead of putting a round peg into a square hole?My Lord. I am in debt up to my ears from school loans in my past and I'm working my tail off for my wife and kid to be. I don't feel sorry for a guy getting millions because message board pundits don't want him here.

No it isn't froggie. It isn't a popularity contest. But I think the point of the little thread is that there are a minority who've been consistant DC haters, and the rest of us still have open minds. Trade him , cut him, stand pat and pay the salary next season, a lot of us feel that what ever they do we'll be on board. I don't know what they'll do at this point. Might be they are stuck with him now and the choices are enter the season with him or cut him out right. You're starting QB should be more than a mascot. DC certainly digressed last year. But their options are dwindling every week at QB in free agency. He could well be here again next season.

As far as you're personell situation...it could be worse. Trust me on this. Try to keep a positive attitude and remember this is the best time in your life. Looks like a mountian right now, but the worm will turn. You'll reach the peak. That which doesn't kill ya makes you stronger.

Ole Miss Texan
03-12-2007, 12:36 AM
I don't really care what happens with Carr and who we take in the 1st....so long as we don't trady up.

I'm actually okay with Carr being our starter..if our offense actually does good everyone in the stadium would look at each other speechless...the stadium would be soo quiet and we'd all erupt. that would be an awesome thing to be a part of...lol

I don't want to keep carr if he's going to be a back up all season. His salary is way too much. If he's gonna play...let him play. if he's gonna sit on the bench...cut your losses and don't pay the salary $5 mill salary for 2 more years.

Pantherstang84
03-12-2007, 12:44 AM
No it isn't froggie. It isn't a popularity contest. But I think the point of the little thread is that there are a minority who've been consistant DC haters, and the rest of us still have open minds. Trade him , cut him, stand pat and pay the salary next season, a lot of us feel that what ever they do we'll be on board. I don't know what they'll do at this point. Might be they are stuck with him now and the choices are enter the season with him or cut him out right. You're starting QB should be more than a mascot. DC certainly digressed last year. But their options are dwindling every week at QB in free agency. He could well be here again next season.

As far as you're personell situation...it could be worse. Trust me on this. Try to keep a positive attitude and remember this is the best time in your life. Looks like a mountian right now, but the worm will turn. You'll reach the peak. That which doesn't kill ya makes you stronger.

Alas. Someone with common sense. However, it is falling on deaf ears.:thumbup

threetoedpete
03-12-2007, 12:44 AM
it only proves that a lot of people are stubborn and wont cut their losses...

but whatever, keep defending the loser and blaming all his shortcomings on the rest of the franchise...it wont be anything i havent heard already

I think the only thing we've lacked with DC is a six pack of patience. And another personal attack by you isn't going to change that opinion. So DC hasn't given you instant gratifacation and now you wanna scream and squeal like a little girl , hold your breath stomp your feet, untill you get your way...nice. Attack everyone who disagrrees with you. They just might keep they guy. I'm wondering how many years all of this is taking off of your life expectancy there Honeymoon ? I can see those arteries cloging as I post. Too funny.

TexansSB07
03-12-2007, 12:48 AM
. . . what should they do?


I say give him 1 more year, simply because our options are thus......1 an unproven college QB (who could be Tom Brady or Ryan Leaf). 2 a castoff from another team, where he was so unspectacular they cut him and took a cap hit rather than hold a roster spot.


or as my daddy used to say "a bird in the hand"

Second Honeymoon
03-12-2007, 01:17 AM
I think the only thing we've lacked with DC is a six pack of patience. And another personal attack by you isn't going to change that opinion. So DC hasn't given you instant gratifacation and now you wanna scream and squeal like a little girl , hold your breath stomp your feet, untill you get your way...nice. Attack everyone who disagrrees with you. They just might keep they guy. I'm wondering how many years all of this is taking off of your life expectancy there Honeymoon ? I can see those arteries cloging as I post. Too funny.

do you actually believe that? 5 years and counting....

OrangeCountyTexansFan
03-12-2007, 12:52 PM
Yes. It's very hard to imagine anybody that could be more pathetically inept than Carr.
How about a rookie straight out of college?:elmo:

Texanfan4ever
03-12-2007, 01:17 PM
ehhhh. . it's the typical offseason where it's mostly pro-Carr. If this poll were to take place during actual football season, the results would be vastly different.


Don't count on it. You think this board right now is full of Pro-Carr people? I don't think so. Go look at every thread on the first page.

It would just be a better business decision. Hopefully that is how the FO is working. If they all worked off strictly emotion, we would be in trouble.

The Pencil Neck
03-12-2007, 01:29 PM
Personally, I'm not going to vote on this one. I don't know all the cap hit nuances and I can make arguments either way. If we can't trade him, then I don't much care what we do with him as long as we give other people the opportunity to take the job from him.

We can always keep him as a backup until some other team has injuries to the QB's and need a veteran QB quick. Then we might be able to get something for him.

Arky
03-12-2007, 02:14 PM
Wow, 2 out 3 want to "keep him".

Local media = clueless and biased

Pantherstang84
03-12-2007, 02:30 PM
Wow, 2 out 3 want to "keep him".

Local media = clueless and biased

To tell you the truth. There should have been a 3rd option in the poll that said,"Make the best decision for the team (ability/team/money wise) when deciding what to do."

That option would have been your clear cut winner.

I think the majority of the posters/fans just want what's best for the Texans and we trust Smith/Kubiak to handle it how they see fit.

Really, we are on the fence when it comes to DC. We see no upgrade opportunites in FA. IF Rosenfels, beats him out, fine I can live with that.

I just don't want the Texans to cut him for the sake of it unless they feel that is what is needed.

The ABC gang here is standing in a forest with a bunch of dead/sick trees. However, they can see only one of them with a #8 painted on it's trunk. They think that if they just cut that one tree down and burn it. The rest of the trees will regain their health. Nevermind that they could have sold that tree for some money.

Instead they want to plant a high priced tree that holds no value for 2 maybe 3 years. The problem is that tree probably won't be at the store when they go buy it and they already cut the #8 tree down and burnt it.

Second Honeymoon
03-12-2007, 02:35 PM
To tell you the truth. There should have been a 3rd option in the poll that said,"Make the best decision for the team (ability/team/money wise) when deciding what to do."

That option would have been your clear cut winner.

I think the majority of the posters/fans just want what's best for the Texans and we trust Smith/Kubiak to handle it how they see fit.

Really, we are on the fence when it comes to DC. We see no upgrade opportunites in FA. IF Rosenfels, beats him out, fine I can live with that.

I just don't want the Texans to cut him for the sake of it unless they feel that is what is needed.

The ABC gang here is standing in a forest with a bunch of dead/sick trees. However, they can see only one of them with a #8 painted on it's trunk. They think that if they just cut that one tree down and burn it. The rest of the trees will regain their health. Nevermind that they could have sold that tree for some money.

Instead they want to plant a high priced tree that holds no value for 2 maybe 3 years. The problem is that tree probably won't be at the store when they go buy it and they already cut the #8 tree down and burnt it.

one could use your metaphor and say that Carr is the huge sick tree taking up all the sunlight and water all the while infecting the other trees with its sickness. In turn, this causes the other trees to never be able to grow and mature into the trees we thought they were when we planted them. once the huge sick tree is taken down the rest of the forest would be able to grow, prosper, and thrive.

Arky
03-12-2007, 02:39 PM
To tell you the truth. There should have been a 3rd option in the poll that said,"Make the best decision for the team (ability/team/money wise) when deciding what to do."

That option would have been your clear cut winner.



And I think that is what the FO will do despite what we or the media think and believe. :)

Texan Asylum
03-12-2007, 03:17 PM
Am I missing something, or how do I vote? I just get a results screen when I check into this thread.

Keep him.

Competition's the key then...

The Pencil Neck
03-12-2007, 05:48 PM
Am I missing something, or how do I vote? I just get a results screen when I check into this thread.

Keep him.

Competition's the key then...

The poll closed this morning.

El Amigo Invisible
03-12-2007, 05:50 PM
Keep him. His stock can only go up.

Pantherstang84
03-12-2007, 05:55 PM
one could use your metaphor and say that Carr is the huge sick tree taking up all the sunlight and water all the while infecting the other trees with its sickness. In turn, this causes the other trees to never be able to grow and mature into the trees we thought they were when we planted them. once the huge sick tree is taken down the rest of the forest would be able to grow, prosper, and thrive.

Keep chopping away at the same tree then. The majority of us would prefer to nurse the whole forest back to health.

The #8 tree holds value.

You just refuse to see it.

Marcus
03-12-2007, 06:15 PM
Am I missing something, or how do I vote? I just get a results screen when I check into this thread.

Keep him.

Competition's the key then...

When I created the poll, I only gave it a 3 day time limit. Figured that was plenty enough time to get a gauge on how most posters felt.

I gotta admit . . . I'm very surprised at the results. Two out of every three people that responded, said keep him.

The "silent majority" theory still remains valid.

Second Honeymoon
03-12-2007, 06:36 PM
Keep chopping away at the same tree then. The majority of us would prefer to nurse the whole forest back to health.

The #8 tree holds value.

You just refuse to see it.

well the rest of the forest rangers in the NFL dont think the tree is worth a transplant...and i think they know more than you do..just a hunch

Texan_Bill
03-12-2007, 06:39 PM
well the rest of the forest rangers in the NFL dont think the tree is worth a transplant...and i think they know more than you do..just a hunch

LOL..... Maybe the other teams are just waiting for tree to be 'chopped out-right' and then will try to re-plant it... Nothing ventured, nothing gained..

Pantherstang84
03-12-2007, 06:41 PM
well the rest of the forest rangers in the NFL dont think the tree is worth a transplant...and i think they know more than you do..just a hunch

You know this because you play golf with all of the GMs and HCs in the NFL?

Second Honeymoon
03-12-2007, 06:41 PM
LOL..... Maybe the other teams are just waiting for tree to be 'chopped out-right' and then will try to re-plant it... Nothing ventured, nothing gained..

that i agree with. but the fact that no one is transplanting him now speaks volumes about his value or about the miscalculation of his value (by the franchise and the 'silent majority' who value him so high)

texfan4ever
03-12-2007, 06:44 PM
We could use a new WATER BOY!:joker:

lol, good one.

Honoring Earl 34
03-12-2007, 06:44 PM
You know this because you play golf with all of the GMs and HCs in the NFL?

On 610 about an hour ago ... a guy said he was David Carr's caddy on friday .

He said Carr got a call and David said he had been traded to Carolina ... FWIW .

Texan Asylum
03-12-2007, 06:49 PM
The poll closed this morning.

When I created the poll, I only gave it a 3 day time limit. Figured that was plenty enough time to get a gauge on how most posters felt.

I gotta admit . . . I'm very surprised at the results. Two out of every three people that responded, said keep him.

The "silent majority" theory still remains valid.

Thanks for the response guys.

Guess I should pay better attention to these other threads! :)

Pantherstang84
03-12-2007, 06:52 PM
On 610 about an hour ago ... a guy said he was David Carr's caddy on friday .

He said Carr got a call and David said he had been traded to Carolina ... FWIW .

I call BS. I need to see a score card for proof.

I can see where this is coming from. Carolina released their back up last week.

texan_fan_8
03-13-2007, 12:33 AM
I don't really care what happens with Carr and who we take in the 1st....so long as we don't trady up.

I'm actually okay with Carr being our starter..if our offense actually does good everyone in the stadium would look at each other speechless...the stadium would be soo quiet and we'd all erupt. that would be an awesome thing to be a part of...lol

I don't want to keep carr if he's going to be a back up all season. His salary is way too much. If he's gonna play...let him play. if he's gonna sit on the bench...cut your losses and don't pay the salary $5 mill salary for 2 more years.

You don't cut a #1 draft pick no matter how stinko they are. You never know when donovan mcnabb gets hurt, rothesberger falls off his motorcycle, joe theisman breaks his leg. And then you have a Market because someone become desperate. So the option to cut him is stupid IMO.

With that said, he needs to go if the option is he's our starter ...that's not an option. His lack of leadership bugs me. His blaming everyone else for his problem bugs me. The fans blaming everyone else for him bugs me.

Sacks aside the guy can't read the defense downfield...he's never been able to do that. He's got a low release point and is the sultan of the the swatted ball. And they bug me. but most of all what bugs me is his lack of drive and motivation. Football is a job to him. No different than if he worked at heb sacking groceries (like the irony). I agree he has alot of class, but on the other side the guy that makes stink is because he has a fire in his gut and not just demurely sitting on the sidelines. He does not have the drive in his eye. He doesn't have the competitive nature like manning, like brady, or many of the others. He needs to go someplace where the fans don't care if he is good or not and mediocority is acceptible. Detriot and Oakland come to mind. Its just a state of mind why he will never be a great QB and its just a shame.

We have turned almost the entire team over since the first snap 5 years ago...Not everyone is wrong. Palmer is over in Dallas doing a great job and has vindicated himself. I wish carr all the best in the world and unless our new QB wears #8 i need to change my moniker becasue i was a big supporter and my anger comes because most of all he let me down and letting fans down is just not good business.

texan_fan_8
03-13-2007, 12:37 AM
On 610 about an hour ago ... a guy said he was David Carr's caddy on friday .

He said Carr got a call and David said he had been traded to Carolina ... FWIW .


so far we have Washington Minnesota, Oakland, Cleveland and now Carolina...man the guy gets around.

Pantherstang84
03-13-2007, 12:48 AM
You don't cut a #1 draft pick no matter how stinko they are. You never know when donovan mcnabb gets hurt, rothesberger falls off his motorcycle, joe theisman breaks his leg. And then you have a Market because someone become desperate. So the option to cut him is stupid IMO.

With that said, he needs to go if the option is he's our starter ...that's not an option. His lack of leadership bugs me. His blaming everyone else for his problem bugs me. The fans blaming everyone else for him bugs me.

Sacks aside the guy can't read the defense downfield...he's never been able to do that. He's got a low release point and is the sultan of the the swatted ball. And they bug me. but most of all what bugs me is his lack of drive and motivation. Football is a job to him. No different than if he worked at heb sacking groceries (like the irony). I agree he has alot of class, but on the other side the guy that makes stink is because he has a fire in his gut and not just demurely sitting on the sidelines. He does not have the drive in his eye. He doesn't have the competitive nature like manning, like brady, or many of the others. He needs to go someplace where the fans don't care if he is good or not and mediocority is acceptible. Detriot and Oakland come to mind. Its just a state of mind why he will never be a great QB and its just a shame.

We have turned almost the entire team over since the first snap 5 years ago...Not everyone is wrong. Palmer is over in Dallas doing a great job and has vindicated himself. I wish carr all the best in the world and unless our new QB wears #8 i need to change my moniker becasue i was a big supporter and my anger comes because most of all he let me down and letting fans down is just not good business.

Can't say I disagree with you. Smith/Kubiak do will what they think is best for the team.

Some folks think that because there has not been a trade yet, there won't ever be a trade. I don't buy it.

I don't think the Texans are placing too much value on him either. Trust me there is a team out there somewhere that wants him. They just don't know how bad they want him yet.

Question is: Who do we replace him with?

2BCF
03-13-2007, 01:00 AM
On 610 about an hour ago ... a guy said he was David Carr's caddy on friday .

He said Carr got a call and David said he had been traded to Carolina ... FWIW .

Nuthin' would be finer than for him to be in Carolina in the morning!

A Texan
03-13-2007, 09:52 AM
It's important to note that this poll did not ask if Carr should be the starter. Previous polls that asked that question showed that the majority said no.

Hottoddie
03-13-2007, 02:07 PM
I agree he has alot of class, but on the other side the guy that makes stink is because he has a fire in his gut and not just demurely sitting on the sidelines. He does not have the drive in his eye. He doesn't have the competitive nature like manning, like brady, or many of the others.

Finally! A negative post about Carr that I can wholeheartedly agree with. Had all the naysayers used this approach as the basis of their arguement, I wouldn't have had a problem with them.

I believe Carr has a whole boatload of talent, but he doesn't have the burning desire of the great ones. He'll always be average until he learns that he has to occasionally get in a player's face. I almost jumped into my TV when Hogdon slapped at that one player that ran right up the gut for a sack. Carr should've bounced up immediately & gotten in the kid's face. But, instead, he just headed for the sidelines with that stupid look on his face. That's the problem I have with Carr. He can do the job, but he first, has to earn the respect of his teammates.

Leadership is not given, it's taken.

marv800
03-13-2007, 02:30 PM
Put him in the left tackle position