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gtexan02
03-08-2007, 09:32 PM
Well I never had heard of this site until Runner posted it in the Black thread, so I thought I'd bring the info here. Stats don't mean everything, especially with OL, but they do begin to give you a picture. Here they are:

Tackles:
Ephraim Salaam - 15 games, started 14.
4 False Starts
0 Holdings
7.5 Sacks Allowed

Charles Spencer - 2 games, started 2.
1 False Start
0 Holdings
1 Sack Allowed

Eric Winston - 12 games, started 7.
1 False Start
1 Holding
2.5 Sacks Allowed

Zach Wiegart (no longer on team) - 9 games, started 9.
1 False Start
3 Holdings
3.75 Sacks Allowed

Brad Bedel - 9 games, started 0.
0 False Starts
0 Holdings
2 Sacks Allowed

Guards
Chester Pitts - 16 games, started 16
3 False Starts
3 Holdings
4.75 Sacks Allowed

Fred Weary - 15 games, started 12.
3 False Starts
1 Holding
3.0 Sacks Allowed

Scott Jackson - 0 games, started 0.
No stats

Centers
Steve McKinney - 16 games, started 6.
0 False Starts
0 Holdings
0.5 Sacks Allowed

Drew Hodgdon - 7 games, started 5.
0 False Starts
0 Holdings
3 Sacks Allowed

Mike Flanagan - 9 games, started 9.
0 False Starts
0 Holdings
0.75 Sacks Allowed

Free Agent Acquisitions:
Jordan Black - 16 games, started 15.
1 False Start
3 Holdings
13 Sacks Allowed

Here is what I can conclude. Out of our tackles, Eric Winston was statistically the best. He didn't play every game, so its tough to get a good read, but he seemed to do pretty well for a rookie on a broken line.

Both our guards were comparable to their expensive FA counterparts. Both gave up a few more sacks than the FAs, but not any huge increase

As for centers, Hodgdon isn't even comparable to the other two.

Ex-Texans
Seth Wand - 7 games, started 0.
0 False Starts
0 Holdings
0 Sacks Allowed

Todd Wade - 3 games, started 1.
0 False Starts
0 Holdings
0 Sacks Allowed

Milford Brown - 13 games, started 12.
0 False Starts
0 Holdings
2 Sacks Allowed


Other Teams Free Agents Signed This FA Period That We Didn't Target
Eric Steinbach - OG - 16 games, started 16. (Signed with Denver)
5 False Starts
0 Holdings
3.5 Sacks Allowed

Kris Dielman - OG - 15 games, started 15. (Signed with San Diego)
2 False Starts
1 Holding
2 Sacks Allowed

Leonard Davis - LT - 16 games, started 16. (Signed with Dallas)
9 False Starts
2 Holdings
8 Sacks Allowed

Derrick Dockery - OG - 16 games, started 16. (Signed with Buffalo)
6 False Starts
1 Holding
3 Sacks Allowed

Tony Pashos - RT - 16 games, started 16. (Signed with Jacksonville)
3 False Starts
0 Holding
2 Sacks Allowed

Luke Petitgout - RT - 9 games, started 9. (signed with Tampa)
3 False Starts
0 Holdings
4.5 Sacks Allowed

Jon Stinchcomb - LT/RT - 16 games, started 16. (Signed with New Orleans)
3 False Starts
0 Holdings
4 Sacks Allowed

Langston Walker - T - 16 games, started 16. (Signed with Buffalo)
5 False Starts
3 Holdings
10.75 Sacks Allowed

I'm not sure what all these other players received in terms of $$$, but take from it what you will. I'm not sure why we didn't show interest in more FAs out there. There weren't many great ones, but there were a few that we seemed to miss out on.

PS: Feel free to add anyone I missed to this list

Runner
03-08-2007, 09:36 PM
Well I never had heard of this site until Runner posted it in the Black thread, so I thought I'd bring the info here.

Thanks for the props, but it was Texans84.

gtexan02
03-08-2007, 09:40 PM
Sorry for the misprops. I'm a bit of a messageboard stereotypist I guess. All you blue names look the same:shades:

atariworld2639
03-08-2007, 09:41 PM
The stats on Flannagan, Winston, and McKinney look good. I dunno what everyone is hussing and fussing over.

if they stay healthy that would be great to have as an O-Line....just get a good LT and LG.

gtexan02
03-08-2007, 09:50 PM
PS: Some numbers to shoot for in a LT:

Jamaal Brown - LT Saints - 3 sacks allowed all season
Marcus McNeil - LT Chargers - 5 sacks allowed all season


And some numbers that show you that stats aren't everything:
Walter Jones - T Seahawks - 10.5 sacks allowed
Orlando Pace - T Rams - 4.5 sacks in 8 games

thunderkyss
03-08-2007, 09:51 PM
well, it's a kinda hard to assign blame for stats to begin with. You don't know who was supposed to do what in the first place.

It's even harder trying to figure out how these guys credited the sacks, because we don't know what they were thinking our OLmen were supposed to do.

I'm currently going back through our season, watching my recorded games. I'm on the Giants game, and so far, I've got one, maybe two sacks on Salaam.

I can't imagine how Flanagan only has 0.75 sacks...

TEXANS84
03-08-2007, 10:18 PM
Thanks for the props, but it was Texans84.

Yepper's.

http://forums.houstontexans.com/showthread.php?t=13324&highlight=offensive+line+breakdown

TEXANS84
03-08-2007, 10:22 PM
Mike Flanagan - 9 games, started 9.
0 False Starts
0 Holdings
0.75 Sacks Allowed



I love snapstats.com, but they've missed one key point on Flanagan. It should read like this:

Mike Flanagan- 9 games, started 9.
0 false starts
0 holdings
0.75 sacks allowed
6 times stepped on quarterbacks foot resulting in fumble and/or sack

Runner
03-08-2007, 10:23 PM
Insert my normal "what would the stats look like if the Texans QB took five and seven step drops" comment here.

Insideop
03-08-2007, 10:41 PM
well, it's a kinda hard to assign blame for stats to begin with. You don't know who was supposed to do what in the first place.

It's even harder trying to figure out how these guys credited the sacks, because we don't know what they were thinking our OLmen were supposed to do.

I'm currently going back through our season, watching my recorded games. I'm on the Giants game, and so far, I've got one, maybe two sacks on Salaam.

I can't imagine how Flanagan only has 0.75 sacks...

Maybe that was one where he stepped on Carr's foot and a D-lineman came in and "touched" him as he lay on the ground. lol: Flanagan was credited with .75 sacks and the D-lineman was credited with .25 sacks! :laughjump:

t_flare
03-09-2007, 01:45 AM
these stats doesnt tell you how many times they didnt hit their man to open up a hole for the RB, these stats doesnt show how many times they were beat and Carr got hit during and after the pass.

TwinSisters
03-09-2007, 02:57 AM
Orlando Pace
averages about 5 sacks a year

Walter Jones 2006
16 starts
2 FS
2 H
10.5 sacks

A Texan
03-09-2007, 10:09 AM
I love snapstats.com, but they've missed one key point on Flanagan. It should read like this:

Mike Flanagan- 9 games, started 9.
0 false starts
0 holdings
0.75 sacks allowed
6 times stepped on quarterbacks foot resulting in fumble and/or sack

QB getting his foot stepped on by the center is not the center's fault. It's the QB's.

Exithios
03-09-2007, 10:33 AM
QB getting his foot stepped on by the center is not the center's fault. It's the QB's.

It is usually due to a slow drop back or from pushing off with the front foot as opposed to pushing off with the back foot. I beleive Carr squares his feet when under center. It is an easy fix.

real
03-09-2007, 10:37 AM
QB getting his foot stepped on by the center is not the center's fault. It's the QB's.

Bingo.