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kcwilson
03-08-2007, 06:12 PM
I remember that Weary played C in college from some posting a while back... anyone have insight as to whether he fits a C mold in the NFL...

LT Spencer/Black
LG Pitts
C Weary
RG Winston
RT Salaam/Black

The idea is Winston is too short armed to play tackle, but is effective. Can Salaam and Black hold the fort with Spencer if ready?

Or do we draft a long term C this year? Kalil in the 2nd, Landry in the first, edwards (QB stanford in the 3rd) is what I am hoping for at this point.

Honoring Earl 34
03-08-2007, 06:24 PM
Weary was the top ranked center in 2002 .

freedoggy77
03-08-2007, 06:40 PM
I remember that Weary played C in college from some posting a while back... anyone have insight as to whether he fits a C mold in the NFL...

LT Spencer/Black
LG Pitts
C Weary
RG Winston
RT Salaam/Black

The idea is Winston is too short armed to play tackle, but is effective. Can Salaam and Black hold the fort with Spencer if ready?

Or do we draft a long term C this year? Kalil in the 2nd, Landry in the first, edwards (QB stanford in the 3rd) is what I am hoping for at this point.



i like Landry and Kalil but am leaning towards Drew Stanton (if available) or Kevin Kolb in the 3rd

TexansLucky13
03-08-2007, 06:41 PM
i like Landry and Kalil but am leaning towards Drew Stanton (if available) or Kevin Kolb in the 3rd

Agreed. I would consider this draft a complete success if we landed Landry and Stanton.

keyfro
03-08-2007, 06:44 PM
i think weary has the ability to start at Center but i think he has found a nice little nitch for himself as the starting RG for us here...i wouldn't move him now after starting the majority of the season last year at that position...keep in mind that the best way to see progress along an o-line is to have continuity along it...by not changing everyone's position every year is very good thing...let him stay at RG and reach his full potential at that position

Texian
03-08-2007, 07:04 PM
You have got Flanagan, Hogdon and Mckinney. Who do you cut Flanagan and Hogdon? Weary at C could be an upgrade???

yourfavoritetexan42
03-08-2007, 07:11 PM
From my knowledge, this is what I would do, opening day have this lineup:

LT: Black
LG: Pitts
C: McKinney
RG: Weary
RT: Winston

When spencer comes back...shift things around:

LT: Spencer
LG: Pitts
C: Weary
RG: Winston
RT: Black

or if you don't wanna move an inexperienced Winston around do this:

LT: Black
LG: Pitts
C: Weary
RG: Spencer
RT: Winston

I think black really helps us out, we don't need to draft a tackle now, because we have two young tackles, and two veteran backups, and another vet that can start. We have our two starting guards.

In the draft I would take an o linemen 5th round, like a center or guard for depth, but htats about it, the black signing was huge.

Spike
03-08-2007, 09:16 PM
I didn't realize that Weary played center. If this is a real option, I think it would be best to look to draft the best available C or OT and then shift players around as necessary to the best five on the field.

GTFan
03-08-2007, 10:19 PM
I just can't believe with the assortment of crappy centers we've put out there over the last 3-4 years that Weary would just ride the pine up if he was a standout Center (i.e. why draft Hogden when you have a C in Weary?). It would be nice, though, to have a Center already on the roster that could excel and save us a draft pick. And we could let go of Flanagan's contract.

keyfro
03-08-2007, 10:22 PM
well that's because this team has always looked at fred as a guard not a center...simply put i've never read or heard anything from either coaching staff where they wanted to see if weary could play center in the pros...i wouldn't worry too much about the center position...between flanagan, mckinney, hodgdon, and white that's still pretty good competition...if we get lucky and ryan kalil is there in round 2 you add him to the list and we'll be cutting probably three guys on that list...i think we just need to have faith in kubiak and smith...they seem to have better grasp on what free agency is about than the previous staff

GTFan
03-08-2007, 10:29 PM
I like Kalil, but if we have all this depth at C in Weary, Flanagan, McKinney and Hogden, then would it make more sense to get a stud CB like Hughes/Ross in the 2nd than Kalil? Will Kalil be as big an upgrade over Flanagan/McKinney as a 2nd round CB would be over Faggins. That is if we feel we have depth at C.

dbspi
03-08-2007, 10:34 PM
For a guy who has played C before it is not that difficult transition to move back to the position. Weary really was a stand out C in college and #1 in his draft class. He would be upgrade over who ever we have right now.

Texans Horror
03-08-2007, 10:36 PM
Depth at center. Let's review:

McKinney - Previous Center. So good that the new coaches immediately looked to upgrade at Center.
Flanagan - injury prone, played poorly while on the line.
Hodgodn - Played so well, after his first game starting, the Texans went back to McKinney.

Weary is not Center because he is a good guard. That does not mean they won't move him to Center, just that I think the odds of Weary playing Center are equal to the odds of Pitts playing Left Tackle. Both can play those positions well, but they are better for the team as guards.

This still leaves the Texans without a Center. I suspect McKinney, Flanagan, or Hodgdon will lose their job before the season starts, but I still think Center will be a focus in the draft - Kalil/Datish.

GTFan
03-08-2007, 10:55 PM
For a guy who has played C before it is not that difficult transition to move back to the position. Weary really was a stand out C in college and #1 in his draft class. He would be upgrade over who ever we have right now.

If someone was #1 in their draft class at a position, then they should start for the Texans. I don't care if we're talking the #1 Waterboy in his class. Something just doesn't add up here. If Weary was looked at as more of a guard, he still didn't crack the Texans poor starting line up until last year. If he could have been playing C all this time, save the money on Flanagan. To not find a way to play a 3rd round pick is like having both Winston and Spencer sit on the bench their first 3-4 years. Just doesn't make sense.

PS I would love to see Weary at C given he was the #1 C in his draft class.

Levi Brown Pitts Weary Winston/Spencer Spencer/Winston/Black

That would be a nice young OL and I would add, all starters drafted by the Texans on day 1.

Insideop
03-08-2007, 10:56 PM
Depth at center. Let's review:

McKinney - Previous Center. So good that the new coaches immediately looked to upgrade at Center.
Flanagan - injury prone, played poorly while on the line.
Hodgodn - Played so well, after his first game starting, the Texans went back to McKinney.

Weary is not Center because he is a good guard. That does not mean they won't move him to Center, just that I think the odds of Weary playing Center are equal to the odds of Pitts playing Left Tackle. Both can play those positions well, but they are better for the team as guards.

This still leaves the Texans without a Center. I suspect McKinney, Flanagan, or Hodgdon will lose their job before the season starts, but I still think Center will be a focus in the draft - Kalil/Datish.


This is a good breakdown of the Center position OSQ. I think, if we draft Kalil in the 2nd, you can be pretty sure that Hodgdon and maybe Flanagan will not be on the opening day roster. I also think that Kubes and Smith have been looking at Guards (Carlisle in FA and Alleman at Combine) with the intention of moving McKinney back to Center for good, either as the starter or the mentor for Kalil or whoever we get in the draft. When the new C is ready, then Mckinney becomes the backup. JMHO!

Runner
03-08-2007, 10:58 PM
Something just doesn't add up here. If Weary was looked at as more of a guard, he still didn't crack the Texans poor starting line up until last year.

Historically the Texans haven't made the best use of the talent they've had; many times it doesn't seem they've even identified it.

The Texans may be starting to develop their young talent; that would be a good shift for them.

Runner
03-08-2007, 11:00 PM
I suspect McKinney, Flanagan, or Hodgdon will lose their job before the season starts, but I still think Center will be a focus in the draft - Kalil/Datish.

I haven't been a big McKinney fan, but he does seem to be a good run blocker in the system from the center position. If the Texans really are going to be a running team, and with Green they may be, run blocking has to become a major factor in deciding playing time. This gives McKinney the edge over the other two.

Texans Horror
03-08-2007, 11:23 PM
If someone was #1 in their draft class at a position, then they should start for the Texans. I don't care if we're talking the #1 Waterboy in his class. Something just doesn't add up here. If Weary was looked at as more of a guard, he still didn't crack the Texans poor starting line up until last year. If he could have been playing C all this time, save the money on Flanagan. To not find a way to play a 3rd round pick is like having both Winston and Spencer sit on the bench their first 3-4 years. Just doesn't make sense.

PS I would love to see Weary at C given he was the #1 C in his draft class.

Levi Brown Pitts Weary Winston/Spencer Spencer/Winston/Black

That would be a nice young OL and I would add, all starters drafted by the Texans on day 1.

Even if a player feels ready to play, he may not be ready to hit the field. Some players are rougher than others. That may have been why Weary wasn't getting playing time.

On the other hand, the old regime had players that were in and players that were out. And if you were out, it didn't matter how good you were, Pendry wasn't going to play you. It was a political thing, and it really messed up the line.

Runner
03-08-2007, 11:24 PM
It was a political thing, and it really messed up the line.

And tight end. And receiver.

keyfro
03-09-2007, 07:45 AM
It was a political thing, and it really messed up the line.

that's exactly why pendry isn't coaching anywhere these days

TK_Gamer
03-09-2007, 08:10 AM
If I recall, weary had trouble handling the double teams that centers encounter, the chipping and stunts that dont occour as much in college football. I could be wrong.

humbleone
03-09-2007, 08:13 AM
Depth at center. Let's review:

McKinney - Previous Center. So good that the new coaches immediately looked to upgrade at Center.
Flanagan - injury prone, played poorly while on the line.
Hodgodn - Played so well, after his first game starting, the Texans went back to McKinney.

Weary is not Center because he is a good guard. That does not mean they won't move him to Center, just that I think the odds of Weary playing Center are equal to the odds of Pitts playing Left Tackle. Both can play those positions well, but they are better for the team as guards.

This still leaves the Texans without a Center. I suspect McKinney, Flanagan, or Hodgdon will lose their job before the season starts, but I still think Center will be a focus in the draft - Kalil/Datish.

I agree with this but would add Satele to your list.

nunusguy
03-09-2007, 08:19 AM
If I recall, weary had trouble handling the double teams that centers encounter
Centers & other Olinemen participate as Double-teamors, not
Double-teamees who would be the Dlinemen.

Texans Horror
03-09-2007, 10:57 AM
I agree with this but would add Satele to your list.

Satele would another good project, like Winston. If the Texans draft him, I wouldn't expect him to play center for a good year or two (barring injuries).

humbleone
03-09-2007, 11:26 AM
Satele would another good project, like Winston. If the Texans draft him, I wouldn't expect him to play center for a good year or two (barring injuries).

Agreed. He is not the protype body for the position (a bit short/small) but he apparently is a fireball with a nasty/mean streak...sounds like Kubiak's kind of guy...mean, lean and an overachiever. I also like the fact that he has looked good at both Gaurd and Center positions.

Vinny
03-09-2007, 11:29 AM
If I recall, weary had trouble handling the double teams that centers encounter, the chipping and stunts that dont occour as much in college football. I could be wrong.
Centers don't get double teamed. They do the double teaming (for the most part). Most of the time when you face a 4 man front the center is uncovered. Centers have to be more agile than Guards since they do more duties that are centered around flexibility...so that's why many of them aren't as large as Guards. If you guys watch Weary warm up he can pretty much do the splits and is a very agile and flexible big man. I have thought for years that Weary was the "center of the future"...but gave up on that last year.

A Texan
03-09-2007, 12:34 PM
I think Flanigan will probably again be the starter. He's not really that injury prone; he once played in 87 consecutive games, the equivalent of more than 5 seasons.