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Ibar_Harry
03-07-2007, 11:20 PM
Last year everyone said we would take Young or Bush. But guess what, we took Mario Williams. Everyone has had their nickers in a bunch since then. Hmm, I wonder if the Texans plan this year is really going to get people's nickers in a bunch.

Its beginning to look like they just may be getting serious about protecting the QB. Is it just possible that the people we are getting in FA are serious blockers and no how to protect the QB and still have an above average running game at the same time? Is it just possible the smoke screen is to get rid of Carr when they have absolutely no intentions of doing so? I know some of you will just jump for joy over this thought.

But really if you think about it what have they been saying about Carr in practice. He's relaxed and goes through his reads and seems to play quite well. When game time comes, he has been a basket case in part because we have thought our offensive protection was better than it was. This has been highlighted by the weakness of our defensive line. Perhapes they have realized that the problem just may be protection and just may be Carr might settle down if he really has confidence that he's not going to be looking at a defender a 1/4 of a second after the snap. If he is in shell shock and that is the problem, the only thing that is going to bring him around is seeing that he really does have time more often than not.

In fact this is the way to go even if Carr isn't going to be here. I really don't believe Sage is anywhere near as durable as Carr, but you never know. This tatic would be good for Sage as well. I think the durability issue weighs heavily in Carr's favor. Even if we get a young QB you still have to be able to protect him. Its what we have been talking about for a long time.

So I say the plan is now to keep Carr and Sage and they will fight for the starting position is training camp and Carr will win based on his ability in practice. If Carr can't do it at game time we will see Sage. I believe our 1st pick will be other than a QB and it will depend on what happens the rest of FA.:lightbulb:

South Texan
03-07-2007, 11:31 PM
I think the "experts" have us picking up Levi (OT) in round one. The scary part is that makes sense to me. I also wouldn't be too surprised to see us pickup a WR in round 2 to put a legit threat across the field from AJ.

So many questions, so few answers!

kcwilson
03-07-2007, 11:31 PM
Last year everyone said we would take Young or Bush. But guess what, we took Mario Williams. Everyone has had their nickers in a bunch since then. Hmm, I wonder if the Texans plan this year is really going to get people's nickers in a bunch.

Its beginning to look like they just may be getting serious about protecting the QB. Is it just possible that the people we are getting in FA are serious blockers and no how to protect the QB and still have an above average running game at the same time? Is it just possible the smoke screen is to get rid of Carr when they have absolutely no intentions of doing so? I know some of you will just jump for joy over this thought.

But really if you think about it what have they been saying about Carr in practice. He's relaxed and goes through his reads and seems to play quite well. When game time comes, he has been a basket case in part because we have thought our offensive protection was better than it was. This has been highlighted by the weakness of our defensive line. Perhapes they have realized that the problem just may be protection and just may be Carr might settle down if he really has confidence that he's not going to be looking at a defender a 1/4 of a second after the snap. If he is in shell shock and that is the problem, the only thing that is going to bring him around is seeing that he really does have time more often than not.

In fact this is the way to go even if Carr isn't going to be here. I really don't believe Sage is anywhere near as durable as Carr, but you never know. This tatic would be good for Sage as well. I think the durability issue weighs heavily in Carr's favor. Even if we get a young QB you still have to be able to protect him. Its what we have been talking about for a long time.

So I say the plan is now to keep Carr and Sage and they will fight for the starting position is training camp and Carr will win based on his ability in practice. If Carr can't do it at game time we will see Sage. I believe our 1st pick will be other than a QB and it will depend on what happens the rest of FA.:lightbulb:

I really wnt the Texans to win and if that means that Carr has to play well, then I want that. But my confidence is shaken in him and I just realized that I can't take reading another Carr thread that brings up the same arguments and points discussed ad nauseum.

I am checking out of the forum until after the draft. What happens, happens. Go Texans!

jacquescas
03-08-2007, 02:18 AM
i agree my confidence in Carr is shaken, and if he does play this year, this is the last year if he can't play well. I just think we have enough cap space, the majority of free agency is past, its not like we need the cap space Carr would save in a trade. My greatest fear is to see us trade him to like Kansas City or something and he goes off once he has a proper offense and wins like 2 superbowls or something. (seriously think about him running that offense he loves going to the TE and he can air it out)

I just think the competition should be open this year and our early round pick should be to improve one of the other enourmous holes on the team. Levi Jones at tackle would give us some real young talent on that O-line. Branch or Okoyi would provide that presencse in the center of our D-line. Ginn Jr or Landy. If we go QB lets go 3rd round or so give Kubiak something to work with.

petedy
03-08-2007, 10:47 AM
Yes, they have a Plan but they don't want anybody to know and that's everybody other than some key players.Draft day will bring it all out. It sure is odd nothing has been heard from David Carr.

Arky
03-08-2007, 12:03 PM
If you read Richard Justice's notes in his blog today, I think he shoots pretty straight about the situation (for a change):

This is the portion of the program where you get to tell me I'm an *****. I won't even have one of my usual snappy comebacks. I'm about to leave myself more wide open than usual with an opinion based more on what I think than what I've seen. It's a gut feeling, nothing more.

Ready? Here goes. I believe the Texans have a solid blueprint. I also think they've had a solid off-season so far.

-----------

Here's what we know about the Texans. They've cleared some cap room. They've added one good football player--RB Ahman Green. Based on some of the things they've done in past years, this is an excellent start.

They haven't overpaid for a stiff of a free agent. As far as we know, they're not plotting ways to screw up their first pick in the draft. This, friends, is progress. Speaking of the draft, does it matter what position they draft? It does not. If they get a good player, they'll be moving in the right direction.

What we don't know about the Texans is as important as what we do know. That is, what's the rest of the plan? We don't know. NFL teams are secretive. They take themselves way too seriously.

I'm assuming they have a plan for the quarterback position. I'm guessing they're going to give the starting job to Sage Rosenfels and draft a quarterback. I'm guessing there are about three quarterbacks they'd be happy with. I'm not sure who they are, but I'll bet BYU's John Beck and Michigan State's Drew Stanton are on their list. Kevin Kolb may be there, too.

I'm guessing on all of this. What seems clear is they don't want David Carr back. What's also clear is that their interest in Jake Plummer and Jeff Garcia was no more than lukewarm. They may have wanted them, but they didn't want them very badly.

This strategy may be the correct one. They've got so many needs that it would silly not to stock up on draft picks and try to fill those holes at WR, S, CB, etc. That's my guess, and I'm sticking to it for at least a day or two.


I think he may be right - that Sage might be the starting QB next year. I'm not sure that DC can be traded because of his large contract - I don't think anybody wants to pay that - but you never know. He may end up getting cut or it is still possible they may keep him on for one more year...

thunderkyss
03-08-2007, 12:13 PM
In fact this is the way to go even if Carr isn't going to be here. I really don't believe Sage is anywhere near as durable as Carr, but you never know. This tatic would be good for Sage as well. I think the durability issue weighs heavily in Carr's favor. Even if we get a young QB you still have to be able to protect him. Its what we have been talking about for a long time.
.:lightbulb:

We picked up one FA who can block(as a running back) the others were guys who go get the QB..... I'm not following the earlier part of your post.

We also have not had one visit from any Offensive linemen. Not one.

But if Carr's going to be here, fine. I don't have a problem with that, but it's not his durability issues that has his job in jeopardy.

I won't be happy though, unless Carr starts the Preseason as the #2 QB. He has to play very, very well, against the twos & threes to earn the start in our third Preseason game, then play well in that game to be the starter for the regular season opener.

If they just come out, and say Carr's #1, and he takes all the #1QB snaps in the preseason, looks like he did last preseason, and starts opening day, I'll be highly upset.

TheCD
03-08-2007, 12:15 PM
I've said since Kubiak first came here that Carr deserves 2 years in this offense, as that's the amount of time it normally takes for a QB to get adjusted to this style. I am not against him losing the starting job if someone else beats him out, or he underperforms, but I think we at least owe it to him to give him one more year, as we've caused him to be the pinata of the league for some time now.

I know people will disagree with me, but at the beginning of the season, Carr was playing very well, and I think that if Kubiak can get him back to that level consistently, we'll be more than fine.

I personally don't think we should draft a QB in the 1st round, I think it would be best for us to bolster our budding defense first. Buy hey, that's why I don't get paid millions of dollars to do this professionally, right?

texans83
03-08-2007, 12:17 PM
I still think they may in fact keep Carr till next season but I think they will draft Quinn if he is there at 8. That way if Carr dosent work out which I think Kubes it the back of his mind dosent think he will then BQ will be ready to start in 08 IMO.

real
03-08-2007, 12:55 PM
I don't think Carr will be on this team next year...


I can't think of a single reason why he would be, other than the "we couldn't find a buyer" factor.

I just think that with a move of this magnitude it's best to be diligent just like they have been...

He ended the season in the dog house, and I'm not really sure what has happened since then to change that...

thunderkyss
03-08-2007, 01:10 PM
I don't think Carr will be on this team next year...


He ended the season in the dog house, and I'm not really sure what has happened since then to change that...


Well, we know(at least I feel we should) that Kubiak acts rash & knee-jerk at times. Maybe he's calmed down, and saw that he shouldn't have expected much different than what he got out of David. Maybe it's because I don't think very highly of David as a QB, but I saw what I thought I would... with slight improvements in some areas.

Not good enough to start, I have yet to see anything that makes me believe he should start.

I really don't care either way... I just don't want him to be handed the starting job. If he can clearly demonstrate that he should be starting in the preseason, I'm fine with that.

tulexan
03-08-2007, 01:16 PM
The only future that Carr has with this team is the draft pick that we get for him. Bringing in Ramsey and all of the rumors about Plummer coming here are signs that Carr should be packing his bags. We are building a team to protect the quarterback and surround him with talent, but the quarterback will not be David Carr.

trutxn
03-08-2007, 01:31 PM
I still think they may in fact keep Carr till next season but I think they will draft Quinn if he is there at 8. That way if Carr dosent work out which I think Kubes it the back of his mind dosent think he will then BQ will be ready to start in 08 IMO.

With Cleveland signing Jamal Lewis, they will probably sign the local QB themselves and pass on Peterson. Romeo Crennel was very impressed with Quinns pro day.

real
03-08-2007, 01:35 PM
If he can clearly demonstrate that he should be starting in the preseason, I'm fine with that.

I'm not...


We've already seen him in action...

I know what he can do...I know what he can't do...(or atleast I have a general idea)

If David is brought back(which he won't) He needs to sit for a whole year no matter how well he does in practice just like a rookie, because other than his age, nothing about him says war tested veteran.

Ibar_Harry
03-08-2007, 02:09 PM
I will add some further insight if I may. Last year McNair said we weren't going to beat Indy offensively, but had to defensively. That was a big goal in his mind and that proved to be correct.

Lets look at our conference and see how people did against each other. In conference play only the results were as follows:
Overall
Ten 4 2 8 8
Indy 3 3 12 4
Tex 3 3 6 10
Jags 2 4 8 8

What is interesting is we were very competitive in a very competitive conference. What we were not good at was winning outside of conference. Indy on the other hand only lost 1 game outside of conference and was not the best team conference wise. If you remember, Kubiak really stressed how important it was to be competitive in the conference and we were OK in that department given where we were at last year.

Perhapes the way we planned for nonconference games or the attitude towards them was different, but it seems to be a very relavent issue in terms of what happened to us. We probably should have beat Ten at least once and if we had done so we would have had the best conference record. When you look at things that way, just may be there are some other issues that really are the problem.

mike230765
03-08-2007, 02:13 PM
I think the Texans are just trowing up a big smokescreen. Dante Robinson was working with management when he said that about Carr. They are trying to make everyone think that we are looking for a quaterback but they are really targeting somone else. Carr is gonna be here next year.


those tricky guys.

srstex
03-08-2007, 02:16 PM
Out of three Mock Drafts, one has us picking an Olineman, one has us picking a Dlineman, and one has AP dropping in our laps (!). I think that there were some olinemen that might have been worth bringing in, so since the Texans didn't even bother to invite them over, we must be pretty satisfied with the linemen we have, I'm not. Green was a great pick up, Hendersn's out there now too-but I prefer Leach, so if the protection gets better and then we change QB's and we go 8 & 8 was this a good year ? IF we can split with the colts, jags, titans, and we come up 9 & 7 with a different QB with all these changes, then who actually made it work ? Sage and David are about the same age, so longevity is only an injury concern, IF we keep Carr, then once and for all, we can see IS HE THE MAN ? Open competition is the only way to go, and competition will bring out the best in all the QB's and that should bring us what we as fans deserve, a good team. My 2 cents.

real
03-08-2007, 02:19 PM
When you look at things that way, just may be there are some other issues that really are the problem.

Please explain...Because I don't really understand what you're trying to say...

Ibar_Harry
03-08-2007, 02:25 PM
Please explain...Because I don't really understand what you're trying to say...

I believe we had a problem planning and motivating our players for games outside of conference. I think if you go back and listen to various coverages of Kubiak you will find he constantly stressed conference play. Everyone was talking about conference play, but for whatever reason the other games seemed to get pushed to the back burner. It turns out that all games are important, not just conference games.

In one sense conference games are no less important or more important that any other game unless we have a tie breaking situtation. When you are in that mode then obviously conference games do have more importance. Right now, winning any game is more important than whether it is a conference game or not.

real
03-08-2007, 02:30 PM
In one sense conference games are no less important or more important that any other game unless we have a tie breaking situtation. When you are in that mode then obviously conference games do have more importance. Right now, winning any game is more important than whether it is a conference game or not.

I agree with this part....

I don't know if they lost those other games because of their approach though...

We just weren't a good team...

Navy_Chris
03-08-2007, 02:34 PM
Last year everyone said we would take Young or Bush. But guess what, we took Mario Williams. Everyone has had their nickers in a bunch since then. Hmm, I wonder if the Texans plan this year is really going to get people's nickers in a bunch.

Its beginning to look like they just may be getting serious about protecting the QB. Is it just possible that the people we are getting in FA are serious blockers and no how to protect the QB and still have an above average running game at the same time? Is it just possible the smoke screen is to get rid of Carr when they have absolutely no intentions of doing so? I know some of you will just jump for joy over this thought.

But really if you think about it what have they been saying about Carr in practice. He's relaxed and goes through his reads and seems to play quite well. When game time comes, he has been a basket case in part because we have thought our offensive protection was better than it was. This has been highlighted by the weakness of our defensive line. Perhapes they have realized that the problem just may be protection and just may be Carr might settle down if he really has confidence that he's not going to be looking at a defender a 1/4 of a second after the snap. If he is in shell shock and that is the problem, the only thing that is going to bring him around is seeing that he really does have time more often than not.

In fact this is the way to go even if Carr isn't going to be here. I really don't believe Sage is anywhere near as durable as Carr, but you never know. This tatic would be good for Sage as well. I think the durability issue weighs heavily in Carr's favor. Even if we get a young QB you still have to be able to protect him. Its what we have been talking about for a long time.

So I say the plan is now to keep Carr and Sage and they will fight for the starting position is training camp and Carr will win based on his ability in practice. If Carr can't do it at game time we will see Sage. I believe our 1st pick will be other than a QB and it will depend on what happens the rest of FA.:lightbulb:

Ahhh, you blind Carr supporters. Can't you see the writing on the wall? Carr's days here are done. Open your eyes, it's all over the place.

petedy
03-08-2007, 03:06 PM
Ahhh, you blind Carr supporters. Can't you see the writing on the wall? Carr's days here are done. Open your eyes, it's all over the place.

So if it isn't then we can call you a blind hater.:wild:

MATRIX
03-08-2007, 03:15 PM
I really wnt the Texans to win and if that means that Carr has to play well, then I want that. But my confidence is shaken in him and I just realized that I can't take reading another Carr thread that brings up the same arguments and points discussed ad nauseum.

I am checking out of the forum until after the draft. What happens, happens. Go Texans!


I think Carr give the same system for a second year(not happened before) and a game or 2 to know he isn't going to get sacked 10 times a game. That he'll be fine.

HOU-TEX
03-08-2007, 03:39 PM
I think Carr give the same system for a second year(not happened before) and a game or 2 to know he isn't going to get sacked 10 times a game. That he'll be fine.

Against Washington he was sacked once while throwing 19/29 208yds 2td 1int. He fumbled 3 times.

Against Dallas he wasn't sacked going 15/27 128yds 0td 2int.

Giants game 1 sack throwing 21/30 176tds 0td 0 int

Buffalo sacked 2 throwing 25/30 223yds 0td 1 int. Fumbled once

So, even when not pressured much he's mediocre at best. Let the spinning begin:victory:

http://www.nfl.com/scores/2006/week13

Insideop
03-08-2007, 03:49 PM
We picked up one FA who can block(as a running back) the others were guys who go get the QB..... I'm not following the earlier part of your post.

We also have not had one visit from any Offensive linemen. Not one.
But if Carr's going to be here, fine. I don't have a problem with that, but it's not his durability issues that has his job in jeopardy.

I won't be happy though, unless Carr starts the Preseason as the #2 QB. He has to play very, very well, against the twos & threes to earn the start in our third Preseason game, then play well in that game to be the starter for the regular season opener.

If they just come out, and say Carr's #1, and he takes all the #1QB snaps in the preseason, looks like he did last preseason, and starts opening day, I'll be highly upset.

What about Cooper Carlisle, OG from Denver? I thought he came to visit. And, today Jordan Black, OT from KC came to visit. Be patient TK. :shades:

thunderkyss
03-08-2007, 03:53 PM
What about Cooper Carlisle, OG from Denver? I thought he came to visit. And, today Jordan Black, OT from KC came to visit. Be patient TK. :shades:

well... yeah, if you count those guys...

(Wipes egg off face)...


But other than that, not one.

TK_Gamer
03-08-2007, 03:56 PM
jordan black here in KC is hated, most believe he cost the team a playoff chance, they got in the playoffs on a fluke, but offense could not perform against top caliber teams. jordan black was 3rd string until willie roaf retired, he was 2nd string right tackle after that. they had to bring in kyle turley (overage, underweight) to fill the spot cuz black couldnt cut it. we dont need jordan black. havent we learned allready not to take KC's throwaways?

Double Barrel
03-08-2007, 04:53 PM
"NFL teams are secretive. They take themselves way too seriously."
- Richard Justice

Is this guy for real?

Does he really type this drivel, step back, and think he's imparting some deep insight and/or wisdom to the masses? :um:

Seriously, we're talking about a multi-billion dollar industry here where winning is the only thing that matters. Why would teams openly talk about their plans, thus allowing for exploitation by the opponents?

I've thought Justice was a doofus in the past, now I think he's a stupid doofus. He should talk about taking himself way too serious. I can't believe this guy is a professional sports writer typing such moronic statements. What a joke.

[/rant]

Ibar_Harry
03-08-2007, 05:35 PM
I would say watch for the released FB from GB. I think they are trying to pick up the back tandem from GB. It will be interesting to see how they try to improve the blocking, but I think they have finally decided that really is the problem.

Another factor in this discussion is young Shan the new QB coach. I can't see them bringing in a Vet with him being a trainee in that position. I think it would be more reasonable to keep the current staff with the addition of a draftee. Shan apparently has a good relationship with Sage and Carr. Perhapes Kubiak has decided to step back and be more of a HC and let the assistants handle the day in and day out activities.

awtysst
03-08-2007, 06:01 PM
Last year everyone said we would take Young or Bush. But guess what, we took Mario Williams. Everyone has had their nickers in a bunch since then. Hmm, I wonder if the Texans plan this year is really going to get people's nickers in a bunch.

Its beginning to look like they just may be getting serious about protecting the QB. Is it just possible that the people we are getting in FA are serious blockers and no how to protect the QB and still have an above average running game at the same time? Is it just possible the smoke screen is to get rid of Carr when they have absolutely no intentions of doing so? I know some of you will just jump for joy over this thought.

But really if you think about it what have they been saying about Carr in practice. He's relaxed and goes through his reads and seems to play quite well. When game time comes, he has been a basket case in part because we have thought our offensive protection was better than it was. This has been highlighted by the weakness of our defensive line. Perhapes they have realized that the problem just may be protection and just may be Carr might settle down if he really has confidence that he's not going to be looking at a defender a 1/4 of a second after the snap. If he is in shell shock and that is the problem, the only thing that is going to bring him around is seeing that he really does have time more often than not.

In fact this is the way to go even if Carr isn't going to be here. I really don't believe Sage is anywhere near as durable as Carr, but you never know. This tatic would be good for Sage as well. I think the durability issue weighs heavily in Carr's favor. Even if we get a young QB you still have to be able to protect him. Its what we have been talking about for a long time.

So I say the plan is now to keep Carr and Sage and they will fight for the starting position is training camp and Carr will win based on his ability in practice. If Carr can't do it at game time we will see Sage. I believe our 1st pick will be other than a QB and it will depend on what happens the rest of FA.:lightbulb:


I have been saying for weeks that we need to bolster our Oline as a priority, Whether Carr is the longterm answer or not, whoever is back there needs protection. What would be the point of drafting Brady stcking him behind our oline and watching him turn into a shell shocked Carr part deux? I say keep carr, build up the oline then next year draft your QB and some more oline. Let the new QB sit a year. That way when the new QB is ready to go, he has a gelled offenisve line waiting for him.

freedoggy77
03-08-2007, 06:44 PM
i've seen mocks of us taking Okoye, Branch, Quinn, Brown, and my man Landry. i don't really care if Carr is back becuz now we have Jordan Black and hopefully our QB will have time to throw the ball.

TK_Gamer
03-09-2007, 02:19 AM
i've seen mocks of us taking Okoye, Branch, Quinn, Brown, and my man Landry. i don't really care if Carr is back becuz now we have Jordan Black and hopefully our QB will have time to throw the ball.

yeah Black is gonna solve all our problems like victor riley did, sorry but black is a back up lineman, nothing more he only started last year cuz they plain didnt have anyone else. get ready for the holding and false start calls if he is in there. we better still take at least a first day OT. even a first pick OT would take a year to settle in to the system and get used to cadence, linemates, etc.

thunderkyss
03-09-2007, 07:19 AM
yeah Black is gonna solve all our problems like victor riley did, sorry but black is a back up lineman, nothing more he only started last year cuz they plain didnt have anyone else. get ready for the holding and false start calls if he is in there. we better still take at least a first day OT. even a first pick OT would take a year to settle in to the system and get used to cadence, linemates, etc.

Biggest difference, is his age.

I don't see him as anything other than a backup guard.

But he's young enough that Kubiak/Sherman could still mold him into a starting Guard in this league. He'll more than likely ride the pine in '07. Then most likely replace Weary in '08, and be solid for us for years to come. If he can't replace Weary by '08, he'll be gone, and we'll find someone else.

Nothing against Weary, but it appears to me that is the position being targeted for improvement.