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beerlover
03-06-2007, 11:22 PM
to move up in the 2nd rd. target Ryan Kalil

based on Raiders trading Randy Moss in the process they pick up extra pick(s).

the Raiders use the 1st pick to select his replacement top NFL prospect & bpa WR Calvin Johnson.

with a tight fa market for QB's and not wanting to spend their #1 pick on one make a trade with Houston for David Carr, swapping 2nd rd. picks. the Raiders get a former #1 overall pick in QB David Carr plus the Texans 2nd rd. pick (39) in exchange the Texans get the Raiders 2nd rd. pick (33)

:stirpot:

ledzeppelin229
03-06-2007, 11:25 PM
Actually I wouldn't mind that if there was a good enough player still available. We might not be able to get a pick out of Carr but we might be able to secure a prospect.

htownfoozball
03-06-2007, 11:42 PM
easier said than done. raiders might covet a player that they dont think will get past AZ or detroit. its probably an OL. unless they're looking for a WR in round 2.

Ole Miss Texan
03-06-2007, 11:53 PM
I believed Oakland signed a C in FA so at least we know they won't take Kalil. beerlover, thank you ...this is somthing i really want done...at least something similar. If we just simply switch 2nd round picks and give them carr...it's basically saying carr is worth the 16th pick in the 4th round.

The only problem is they will want this done before they draft CJ most likely. Because If Ryan Kalil is picked in the late first...then it should void the trade. Then they would have picked CJ and still not have a Quarterback.

I see this hard to accomplish....i doubt Smith would do this too..unless he was 100% that Kalil was hands down the bpa. I would like this to happen though.

i like it beerlover...kalil would be a huge step in the right direction.

Ole Miss Texan
03-06-2007, 11:55 PM
Wouldn't it be kinda ironic that we passed on Vince Young because 'we thought David could get us to the Superbowl'...and then less than a year later we trade him to move up 6 spots in the 2nd round?

I find that very funny.

Second Honeymoon
03-06-2007, 11:56 PM
Wouldn't it be kinda ironic that we passed on Vince Young because 'we thought David could get us to the Superbowl'...and then less than a year later we trade him to move up 6 spots in the 2nd round?

I find that very funny.

I dont know about funny....but I can smell the irony from here

Ole Miss Texan
03-07-2007, 12:20 AM
I dont know about funny....but I can smell the irony from here

You could cut the irony with a knife. lol

beerlover
03-07-2007, 12:34 AM
I should have included that this is the type of deal done draft day. could be someone else who the Texans covet who slides to the 2nd rd. (like DeMeco last year) you name at least a half dozen all of which would be gone by the time the Texans can make their selection & thats the point.

also going back to California just might be the ticket to returning to form, so to speak. I wish nothing but the best for David, but its time to move along & this represents outstanding value for Al Davis, a young still promising QB with all the measureables & five years of experience anxious to prove everyone wrong :bowser:

Ole Miss Texan
03-07-2007, 12:50 AM
maybe if any of these 1st rounders slip....and depending what we draft 1st rd.
-leon hall
-darrelle revis
-chris houston
-reggie nelson
-paul posluzny
-dwayne jarrett
-ted ginn jr
-robert meachem
-adam carriker
-RYAN KALIL

there are ten guys that will all probably go after pick #10. so thats 22 spots..i bet one of these guys falls to the 2nd. maybe not but i could see us going after any of these people.

beerlover
03-07-2007, 12:52 AM
just for fun maybe a couple guys are there @ #39 but the majority are gone by the time the Texans pick. the players in bold are most likely gone but could still drop to the 2nd rd. would you trade Carr for the chance to get one of them?


Posluszny, Paul (OLB), Penn State
Ross, Aaron (CB), Texas
Houston, Chris (CB), Arkansas
Timmons, Lawrence (OLB), Florida State
Grubbs, Ben (OG), Auburn
Nelson, *Reggie (FS), Florida
Kalil, Ryan (C), Southern Cal
Meriweather, Brandon (FS)
Griffin, Michael (SS), Texas
Bush, *Michael (RB), Louisville

Ole Miss Texan
03-07-2007, 01:00 AM
If we knew we were going to get them...in this order of preference.

1.Ryan Kalil
2.Chris Houston
3.Lawrence Timmons
4.Reggie Nelson
5.Paul Posluzny


I wouldn't trade Carr to get a chance at them..but I would if it were the 33rd pick in the draft and one of these were there.

The others I feel have a better chance of falling to us at our pick.

kiwitexansfan
03-07-2007, 02:41 AM
Why is Reggie Nelson being talked about as a 2nd round prospect when previuosly he was talked about as best FS available and a possible top 10 pick.

kiwitexansfan
03-07-2007, 02:42 AM
Oh and I think trading Carr to move up in the 2nd is crazy unless of course we took Quinn at #8, then I would talk to them about it.

beerlover
03-07-2007, 02:56 AM
Why is Reggie Nelson being talked about as a 2nd round prospect when previuosly he was talked about as best FS available and a possible top 10 pick.

the draft board is fluid & changes constantly. at this time he is rated in the same range (15-20) as DeMeco Ryans was last year. stranger things have happen'ed. no one I respect (read, or listen too) thinks Reggie Nelson is going top 10. the most likely scenero is Jacksonville @ #17 but if they pass on him he could start falling. who knows for sure what Del Rios boys are gonna do any given draft other than take a WR, but they do need to replace Deon Grant so it does make some sense.

the question to you would be on draft day if Reggie Nelson is there @ #33 the trade is sitting on the table would you do it?

would it make it any easier if the Texans had already selected Brady Quinn with the 8th pick?

beerlover
03-07-2007, 02:57 AM
Oh and I think trading Carr to move up in the 2nd is crazy unless of course we took Quinn at #8, then I would talk to them about it.

guess I already answeared that question, so whats your move :poker:

Carr Bombed
03-07-2007, 03:06 AM
Most people don't have Nelson slipping past the Jags and I don't either, not in this divison. Their safeties are getting old and often injured.

kiwitexansfan
03-07-2007, 03:07 AM
If Reggie Nelson is there I do it in a heart beat, although I feel we are getting robbed a little because I am still a Carr fan, maybe they could kick us back a 6th or 7th as well.

I think FS is our biggest hole so to get Nelson in the 2nd would be a dream come true.

kiwitexansfan
03-07-2007, 03:09 AM
What about the Falcons, I seem to be thinking the Falcons and another team around that point have some serious needs at Safety?

beerlover
03-07-2007, 03:12 AM
What about the Falcons, I seem to be thinking the Falcons and another team around that point have some serious needs at Safety?

they'd be all over Landry, in a heartbeat, which if the Texans select Quinn @ #8 he will fall right to them :drool:

kiwitexansfan
03-07-2007, 03:19 AM
For good reason the guy seems like the total package. He very well may be BPA at 8.

If he is and we take him I'm not moving and hoping against all common sense that Ross or Houston falls to 39.

beerlover
03-07-2007, 03:29 AM
For good reason the guy seems like the total package. He very well may be BPA at 8.

If he is and we take him I'm not moving and hoping against all common sense that Ross or Houston falls to 39.

I see your focus is on FS, thats fine we certainly could use our top pick on an elite FS like LaRon but we have more pressing needs, starting with our leadership issue @ QB. despite how good LaRon is, he is not the bpa on the board if Brady Quinn is there too. I'm just saying, you know what I mean. besides the whole point of starting this thread was to improve the prospect with the 2nd rd. pick. a player who would not be available where the Texans currently pick, extracating Carr to a peacefull resoultion & simply moving on :shades:

kiwitexansfan
03-07-2007, 03:42 AM
No doubt there is a serious question at QB, I think Carr can still be good but not surrounded by guys who have lost faith (never had faith??).

I just don't see that trading him to improve our prospects in the 2nd round would solve that issue. I don't see Ramsey or Rosenfels as a guy that inspires respect and confidence.

Maybe I have been wrong all along and a guy that has won games like Plummer is what is needed to get some belief back in the team.

I can't believe I just wrote that...... what is wrong with me. :gun:

Seņor Stan
03-07-2007, 05:41 AM
If we just simply switch 2nd round picks and give them carr...it's basically saying carr is worth the 16th pick in the 4th round.

I think you are in the wrong column in the chart. It's more like a late 5th or early 6th round pick.

rickyb
03-07-2007, 07:46 AM
they'd be all over Landry, in a heartbeat, which if the Texans select Quinn @ #8 he will fall right to them :drool:

If Landry AND Quinn are on the board at #8, wait for the phone to ring. If the price is right, consider trading down. As much as I want Landry roaming the secondary, we have to consider what we could get in compensation.

Taking a couple of steps back, there is no way I pull the trigger on a Carr-for-swap-2nd-rounders-with-OAK deal. Now, if OAK wants to pony up a 2nd straight up, I am listening. That would be the starting point for any negotiation, were I the GM. As OMT pointed out, the 2nd round swap proposal equates Carr to a 4th rounder. No thank you. I want Kalil, but not enough to sell assets at a fire sale.

Just my $0.02. I respect your opinion.

Cook Thom
03-07-2007, 10:38 AM
First, it is very doubtful anyone will give the Texans a second round pick for Carr. The best we could hope for is a third round selection. Second, considering our qbs prospections since we did not get the free agents we wanted, Carr may be out best option next year. We can draft a qb, but no one wants to start a rookie qb, and start grooming them for next year. If Carr gets better great and if not we can then trade him. After all although Carr stunk it up last year so did our running backs and offensive line. Maybe with at least an average running attack and some blocking Carr will look better.

texans83
03-07-2007, 10:58 AM
Do you think it a possibility that we could trade David to the raiders for their first and give them our 8.

Ole Miss Texan
03-07-2007, 11:06 AM
Do you think it a possibility that we could trade David to the raiders for their first and give them our 8.

No I don't...we have to throw in our 3rd from this year and probably our 3rd from next year...imo.

i don't think we need to be payin #1 money again this year. i see us staying put at 8, and if we get a decent trade offer..we may trade down. some team may want to trade up for peterson, quinn, or landry if any fell to us. i see landry being the most likely to be there...then prob. quinn. Arizona and Minnesota are popular places people may think landry goes if he goes that high.

I think we're going to stay put in the 1st round and Take Quinn, D-Line, or Landry.

Trap_Star
03-07-2007, 11:08 AM
No I don't...we have to throw in our 3rd from this year and probably our 3rd from next year...imo.

i don't think we need to be payin #1 money again this year. i see us staying put at 8, and if we get a decent trade offer..we may trade down. some team may want to trade up for peterson, quinn, or landry if any fell to us. i see landry being the most likely to be there...then prob. quinn. Arizona and Minnesota are popular places people may think landry goes if he goes that high.

I think we're going to stay put in the 1st round and Take Quinn, D-Line, or Landry.


I really hope we take Landry...:superman:

texans83
03-07-2007, 11:09 AM
No I don't...we have to throw in our 3rd from this year and probably our 3rd from next year...imo.

i don't think we need to be payin #1 money again this year. i see us staying put at 8, and if we get a decent trade offer..we may trade down. some team may want to trade up for peterson, quinn, or landry if any fell to us. i see landry being the most likely to be there...then prob. quinn. Arizona and Minnesota are popular places people may think landry goes if he goes that high.

I think we're going to stay put in the 1st round and Take Quinn, D-Line, or Landry.

Ig Quinn is there then I think they will take him but the only way I see that happening is if Cleveland passes on him and Minnisota passes. I feel one of them will pick him up though. Cleveland loves him and BQ is from there so I dont see them passing on him.

Ole Miss Texan
03-07-2007, 11:11 AM
I think you are in the wrong column in the chart. It's more like a late 5th or early 6th round pick.

http://nfldraftblitz.com/pick_value_chart.htm

#33 = 580 pts
#39 = 510 pts

difference of 70 pts.

pick 16 in the 4 th round it worth 70 pts.

I think getting a 3rd rounder out of carr is doubtfull...i see us being offered a 4th. if anyone offered a 4th. i'd so no but take carr and give us your 3rd next year...and your 7th this year.

JAXwithanX
03-07-2007, 12:51 PM
http://nfldraftblitz.com/pick_value_chart.htm

#33 = 580 pts
#39 = 510 pts

difference of 70 pts.

pick 16 in the 4 th round it worth 70 pts.

I think getting a 3rd rounder out of carr is doubtfull...i see us being offered a 4th. if anyone offered a 4th. i'd so no but take carr and give us your 3rd next year...and your 7th this year.

I wouldn't mind trading Carr for future picks dependant on his PT or performance levels. I wouldn't be terribly surprised to see something like that happen if we haven't traded him by the draft.

freedoggy77
03-07-2007, 08:11 PM
even though i would love for this deal to happen, it is very unlikely that the Raiders would want Carr. Al Davis loves the long ball and is likely to take Russell with his first pick.

mongo
03-07-2007, 09:01 PM
to move up in the 2nd rd. target Ryan Kalil

based on Raiders trading Randy Moss in the process they pick up extra pick(s).

the Raiders use the 1st pick to select his replacement top NFL prospect & bpa WR Calvin Johnson.

with a tight fa market for QB's and not wanting to spend their #1 pick on one make a trade with Houston for David Carr, swapping 2nd rd. picks. the Raiders get a former #1 overall pick in QB David Carr plus the Texans 2nd rd. pick (39) in exchange the Texans get the Raiders 2nd rd. pick (33)

:stirpot:
are YOU NUTTS Carr is't worth a 2nd round let alone a 1st round pick.

Ole Miss Texan
03-07-2007, 11:01 PM
are YOU NUTTS Carr is't worth a 2nd round let alone a 1st round pick.

??? sorry i don't understand. It's Carr and our 2nd to oakland.....and oakland gives us their 2nd rd pick. 70pt difference. or a mid 4th rder=carr.

Ole Miss Texan
03-07-2007, 11:04 PM
Just bringing this up. Is it just me or does anyone else think OAKLAND could be next year's new orleans.

They had like the 3rd best overall defense last year...there defense is goood.

their offense...sux. Say they get Jamarcus russell...and a little oline help and their whole offense changes. is moss leaving to go to NE or somewhere else? if so they could get a really good WR w/ their 2nd pick.

Now it's going to be hard for a rookie QB to come in and do really well....at least JR imo. but i think if their offense improves some which it should....they could be a really tough team...playoffs next season? maybe not ...but they aren't going to be the worst team i can guarantee that...or believe it at least.

beerlover
03-08-2007, 01:34 AM
Just bringing this up. Is it just me or does anyone else think OAKLAND could be next year's new orleans.

They had like the 3rd best overall defense last year...there defense is goood.

their offense...sux. Say they get Jamarcus russell...and a little oline help and their whole offense changes. is moss leaving to go to NE or somewhere else? if so they could get a really good WR w/ their 2nd pick.

Now it's going to be hard for a rookie QB to come in and do really well....at least JR imo. but i think if their offense improves some which it should....they could be a really tough team...playoffs next season? maybe not ...but they aren't going to be the worst team i can guarantee that...or believe it at least.

I still like Calvin Johnson w/1st pick, but I'll play along :snobord:

"next years new orleans" would be ideal redemption for Carr on the rebound. of course that means the Raiders would need to select Adrian Peterson (something the Texans did not do by passing Reggie Bush). then address line w/2nd pick, Grubbs would give Adrian his road grader next to Gallery & away they go :wild: meanwhile back in Houston :wheel: