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bigsack
03-06-2007, 05:25 PM
I just wanted to throw this out there but it seems to me that the Texan FO doesnt like University of Texas players. Sloan Thomas was cut, Derrick Johnson was passed over for....get this Travis Johnson, VY is in there too. What about Leonard Davis? He may have sucked but the Cowboys got him.
No Cedric Benson. No trades for Ricky Williams, or Roy Williams. I hate the FO for not giving me one player to get excited to watch, except Demeco maybe.

I think that the organization doesnt seem to respect that its fan base is primarily UT and ATM fans. (sorry everyone else) To think that Adrian Peterson would get drafted and not VY is insane, even though AP is good. We should be looking at Aaron Ross, Blaylock and Marcus Griffin in the draft. We should draft players that looked good against real teams from real conferences not players with planters faschitis or whatever from the ACC, or Tattoo Boy Babin. Why, because when you play teams like Duke, at football, your sack totals can get a tad bit inflated.

In short, I have to give a Dan Aykroyd "bah" to the FO. (See trading places as Aykroyd in the Santa suit, stuffs food down his shirt, and takes slugs of his pint of Whiskey; he tries to say Bah Humbug but it comes out as "BAHH!") Green is a good addition but prepare for another season where you cant find anyone to go to the game because the team is BORING to watch. PATRICK RAMSEY are you kidding me!!! Come on give me a QB that I might actually use in fantasy. (Carr was better from a fantasy perspective)

Oh and whoever spent all of the cap money needs to get their azz kicked. We have spent a ton of money on DLinemen and LB's only to find out every year that DL and LB are areas of need. Hey but the real joke is on us season ticket holders. Yeah!!!

Tailgate
03-06-2007, 05:29 PM
Yes, our FO goes out of our way to NOT sign players because of where they played college football.

NEROtheZERO
03-06-2007, 05:32 PM
Yea, I'd rather our FO consider alma mater over talent evaluation as well. I mean, the burnt orange stamp is exponentially more important than what a player can do on the field.

Let's bring Sloan back in place of Andre because the majority of our fans are UT fans and not UM fans.

281
03-06-2007, 05:32 PM
uhh, sorry, this is real life. no professional team has "biases" against potential players because of the colleges they played for.

mamoo
03-06-2007, 05:33 PM
The last GM did not care for UT players. I've posted this before. He didn't feel UT was honest in their reviews of their own players. He believed they overstated their abilities' knowledge and leadership. These are things he stated directly to me. That said Sloan Thomas is not an NFL caliber receiver. Leonard Davis is way overrated and was overpaid by the Cowboys. Ricky and Cedric aren't Bob McNair type of players... to many off the field issues. CC wasn't a Chris Simms fan. He felt that he was too much of a lightning rod for those who thought he could play and those who thought he couldn't. That other quarterback... he might actually turn into something and maybe should have been considered last year. Derrick Johnson can play, but so can Demeco Ryans. You can bad mouth Travis Johnson all you want, but... well actually you may be right. =)

ArlingtonTexan
03-06-2007, 05:33 PM
I know this may be news to you, but the vast majority of potential football fans DID NOT go to UT nor Texas. There is absolutely no reason the draft players to market (nice word) to that relatively small fan base.

Errant Hothy
03-06-2007, 05:35 PM
I just wanted to throw this out there but it seems to me that the Texan FO doesnt like University of Texas players. Sloan Thomas was cut, Derrick Johnson was passed over for....get this Travis Johnson, VY is in there too. What about Leonard Davis? He may have sucked but the Cowboys got him.
No Cedric Benson. No trades for Ricky Williams, or Roy Williams. I hate the FO for not giving me one player to get excited to watch, except Demeco maybe.

I think that the organization doesnt seem to respect that its fan base is primarily UT and ATM fans. (sorry everyone else) To think that Adrian Peterson would get drafted and not VY is insane, even though AP is good. We should be looking at Aaron Ross, Blaylock and Marcus Griffin in the draft. We should draft players that looked good against real teams from real conferences not players with planters faschitis or whatever from the ACC, or Tattoo Boy Babin. Why, because when you play teams like Duke, at football, your sack totals can get a tad bit inflated.

In short, I have to give a Dan Aykroyd "bah" to the FO. (See trading places as Aykroyd in the Santa suit, stuffs food down his shirt, and takes slugs of his pint of Whiskey; he tries to say Bah Himbug but it comes out as "BAHH!") Green is a good addition but prepare for another season where you cant find anyone to go to the game because the team is BORING to watch. PATRICK RAMSEY are you kidding me!!! Come on give me a QB that I might actually use in fantasy. (Carr was better from a fantasy perspective)

Oh and whoever spent all of the cap money needs to get their azz kicked. We have spent a ton of money on DLinemen and LB's only to find out every year that DL and LB are areas of need. Hey but the real joke is on us season ticket holders. Yeah!!!

Tell me what DJ has done in teh NFL...cause I can tell you it ain't that much.

Leonard Davis is one of the bigger OT busts in recent memory and just sign for some stupid money.

Ricky Williams is a pot head

Trading for Roy Williams isn't possible because there is no way in hell Det would give him up.

Sloan Thomas is no longer in teh nfl (I think).

Cedric Benson...See Roy Williams, espically after they traded away Jones.

As for this years class of longhorns in the draft:

Ross is a tad overrated and we'll be in position to draft a better CB

Griffin is more suited to playing SS in the NFL, and we already have several SS on the roster.

Blaylock may or may not be that suited to the ZB scheme we run.

AS for inflated sack totals yeah those ACC DE's suck I mean who the hell would want Julius Peppers on their team. I mean he didn't even play in the state of Texas for crying out loud.

There is no reason for the FO to draft palyers from the state of Texas just to appaise the fan base. It's stupid and will lead us to being a worse team then we already are.

I can't fight through the morinicy of your post anymore. Sorry.

Navy_Chris
03-06-2007, 05:37 PM
uhh, sorry, this is real life. no professional team has "biases" against potential players because of the colleges they played for.

Really? How do you explain all of the Denver and GB signing? It's not just a coincidence. Sloan Thomas was cut by Dom Capers, who had no real eye for talent, and when it did fall in his lap he didn't know what to do with it. Kubiak signed a guy named Derrick Johnson, just not the one we wanted to see here. haha.

Errant Hothy
03-06-2007, 05:42 PM
Really? How do you explain all of the Denver and GB signing? It's not just a coincidence. Sloan Thomas was cut by Dom Capers, who had no real eye for talent, and when it did fall in his lap he didn't know what to do with it. Kubiak signed a guy named Derrick Johnson, just not the one we wanted to see here. haha.

Uhmmm, last time I checked Denver and GB are not college teams.

ThaShark316
03-06-2007, 05:45 PM
^^^Someone missed a joke....

Navy_Chris
03-06-2007, 05:51 PM
Uhmmm, last time I checked Denver and GB are not college teams.

omg, just making the argument.

StateChamps06
03-06-2007, 05:54 PM
This is a buisness like any other, and any chance to pick up a top notch player with solid character would never be passed up in regards to regional or collegiate bias. However, alot of Texas talent does get "stolen" from here by great Universities like USC, Michigan, Florida and Oklahoma. I play varsity ball right now, and Nebraska recruits the heck out of our district and I've had the chance to personally talk to one of their recruiters. I've seen Colorado, Arkansas, and LSU in my district quite a bit. There's no bias, the talent is just really spread out.

Errant Hothy
03-06-2007, 05:55 PM
^^^Someone missed a joke....

Could be...this whole imagined anti-UT bias is a sore spot with me.

dirty steve
03-06-2007, 06:00 PM
I just wanted to throw this out there but it seems to me that the Texan FO doesnt like University of Texas players. Sloan Thomas was cut, Derrick Johnson was passed over for....get this Travis Johnson, VY is in there too. What about Leonard Davis? He may have sucked but the Cowboys got him.
No Cedric Benson. No trades for Ricky Williams, or Roy Williams. I hate the FO for not giving me one player to get excited to watch, except Demeco maybe.

I think that the organization doesnt seem to respect that its fan base is primarily UT and ATM fans. (sorry everyone else) To think that Adrian Peterson would get drafted and not VY is insane, even though AP is good. We should be looking at Aaron Ross, Blaylock and Marcus Griffin in the draft. We should draft players that looked good against real teams from real conferences not players with planters faschitis or whatever from the ACC, or Tattoo Boy Babin. Why, because when you play teams like Duke, at football, your sack totals can get a tad bit inflated.

In short, I have to give a Dan Aykroyd "bah" to the FO. (See trading places as Aykroyd in the Santa suit, stuffs food down his shirt, and takes slugs of his pint of Whiskey; he tries to say Bah Humbug but it comes out as "BAHH!") Green is a good addition but prepare for another season where you cant find anyone to go to the game because the team is BORING to watch. PATRICK RAMSEY are you kidding me!!! Come on give me a QB that I might actually use in fantasy. (Carr was better from a fantasy perspective)

Oh and whoever spent all of the cap money needs to get their azz kicked. We have spent a ton of money on DLinemen and LB's only to find out every year that DL and LB are areas of need. Hey but the real joke is on us season ticket holders. Yeah!!!
this from a cherry poster? nahhhhh...take your played out argument somewhere.

tulexan
03-06-2007, 06:14 PM
Really? How do you explain all of the Denver and GB signing? It's not just a coincidence. Sloan Thomas was cut by Dom Capers, who had no real eye for talent, and when it did fall in his lap he didn't know what to do with it. Kubiak signed a guy named Derrick Johnson, just not the one we wanted to see here. haha.

We go after Denver and Green Bay players because our head coach spent most of his career in Denver and our offensive coordinator/assistant head coach spent most of his career in Green Bay. Green Bay and Denver players fit the system that we run and Our coaches have experience with those players in their system.

Navy_Chris
03-06-2007, 06:18 PM
We go after Denver and Green Bay players because our head coach spent most of his career in Denver and our offensive coordinator/assistant head coach spent most of his career in Green Bay. Green Bay and Denver players fit the system that we run and Our coaches have experience with those players in their system.

that's obvious. but, let's give players from some of the other 29 teams a shot is all i'm saying.

tulexan
03-06-2007, 06:19 PM
that's obvious. but, let's give players from some of the other 29 teams a shot is all i'm saying.

I think we will once we have a foundation of a team to run the system.

PapaL
03-06-2007, 06:22 PM
You mean this isn't our beloved Houston Louagars (pronouced loogie-ers)! (Longhorn/Aggies/Cougars/Bears)

281
03-06-2007, 06:26 PM
The last GM did not care for UT players. I've posted this before. He didn't feel UT was honest in their reviews of their own players. He believed they overstated their abilities' knowledge and leadership. These are things he stated directly to me. That said Sloan Thomas is not an NFL caliber receiver. Leonard Davis is way overrated and was overpaid by the Cowboys. Ricky and Cedric aren't Bob McNair type of players... to many off the field issues. CC wasn't a Chris Simms fan. He felt that he was too much of a lightning rod for those who thought he could play and those who thought he couldn't. That other quarterback... he might actually turn into something and maybe should have been considered last year. Derrick Johnson can play, but so can Demeco Ryans. You can bad mouth Travis Johnson all you want, but... well actually you may be right. =)

i wish i knew who you were.

yourfavoritetexan42
03-06-2007, 06:49 PM
Yes, our FO goes out of our way to NOT sign players because of where they played college football.

No, they go out of their way to avoid all the good players.

TexansLucky13
03-06-2007, 06:58 PM
There are more Aggies on this team than there are Longhorns. OBVIOUSLY the FO sticking it to the teasips.

:sarcasm:

TexansCanes
03-06-2007, 07:04 PM
of the players you listed, i would only want benson, roy, VY, and DJ. To get cedric or roy we would have had to trade for them, which i would be against doing. I'll give you TJ and thats one of the reasons why Charlie is no longer with the team. However, if we have derrick right now i don't know if demeco would have been drafted. The jury is still out on Mario and anyone who says other wise has something against him.

i don't think anyone in the FO has anything against UT or TAMU or any texas school becuae it would be dumb to neglect schools from a state that is one of the best at producing talent.

BattleRedGuy
03-06-2007, 07:25 PM
Could it be that only 1 former longhorn since 1999 has walked away with a Super Bowl ring at the end of the year?

Of course not, but I just like to point that out

Errant Hothy
03-06-2007, 07:27 PM
Why is there still all this man-love for DJ? He isn't tearing up teh league or anything.

Demeco>DJsquared

Navy_Chris
03-06-2007, 07:28 PM
Why is there still all this man-love for DJ? He isn't tearing up teh league or anything.

What?!!??! Didn't he have like 6 tackles last season?

cuppacoffee
03-06-2007, 07:37 PM
I just wanted to throw this out there but it seems to me that the Texan FO doesnt like University of Texas players.

Guess that puts me in good company.

What about Leonard Davis? He may have sucked but the Cowboys got him.

Wow..Thats a ringing endorsement for signing ex-TU players.

To think that Adrian Peterson would get drafted and not VY is insane, even though AP is good. We should be looking at Aaron Ross, Blaylock and Marcus Griffin in the draft.

Draft Ross, Blaylock or Griffin instead of Peterson?

You just forgot to add the :jk: smilie..didn't you?

BTW..VY was drafted, just not by the Texans

We should draft players that looked good against real teams from real conferences not players with planters faschitis or whatever from the ACC, or Tattoo Boy Babin. Why, because when you play teams like Duke, at football, your sack totals can get a tad bit inflated.

Yeah..play in the powerful big 12, and schedule out of conference teams like Sam Houston. And didn't TU schedule North Texas previously? Not too sure. But I'll give credit where credit is due. Both are upgrades from Kansas.


PATRICK RAMSEY are you kidding me!!!

Can't argue with that. Good point.

Oh and whoever spent all of the cap money needs to get their azz kicked.

He did. Kicked into broadcasting or something non gm related.




:coffee:

NickO
03-06-2007, 08:29 PM
Tell me what DJ has done in teh NFL...cause I can tell you it ain't that much.

Leonard Davis is one of the bigger OT busts in recent memory and just sign for some stupid money.

Ricky Williams is a pot head

Trading for Roy Williams isn't possible because there is no way in hell Det would give him up.

Sloan Thomas is no longer in teh nfl (I think).

Cedric Benson...See Roy Williams, espically after they traded away Jones.
Couldn't help but notice Casey Hampton, Shaun Rogers, and Nathan Vasher were absent from your list.:stirpot:
I think being a horn fan actually makes me more critical of the player's talents. But for this year, Robison is one of those players you love as a fan just because of his motor, dude never quits. He's one of those limited ceiling, but high floor guys. At the very minimum, the guy's gonna be a probowl-level special teams player.




There is no reason for the FO to draft palyers from the state of Texas just to appaise the fan base. It's stupid and will lead us to being a worse team then we already are.
Totally agree. But compare football scouting to baseball scouting. Baseball teams typically draft heavily from their region, but that just might be due to the huge numbers of prep baseball players and the number of games they play, you can't scout 'em all. The ability for teams to review film from any player around the country negates the need to focus on your region.

Errant Hothy
03-06-2007, 08:31 PM
Couldn't help but notice Casey Hampton, Shaun Rogers, and Nathan Vasher were absent from your list.:stirpot:
I think being a horn fan actually makes me more critical of the player's talents. But for this year, Robison is one of those players you love as a fan just because of his motor, dude never quits. He's one of those limited ceiling, but high floor guys. At the very minimum, the guy's gonna be a probowl-level special teams player.




Totally agree. But compare football scouting to baseball scouting. Baseball teams typically draft heavily from their region, but that just might be due to the huge numbers of prep baseball players and the number of games they play, you can't scout 'em all. The ability for teams to review film from any player around the country negates the need to focus on your region.

My list was from the first post of the thread.

swtbound07
03-06-2007, 09:50 PM
For every pound of BS, there is a grain of truth in this theory. Sometimes, players from the HOUSTON area are passed over because of character issues, or more specifically the worry that leaving Houston people in the Houston area would have them keep running around with the same crews and entourages and getting in a lot of off the field incidents. As far as UT, Not UT, thats pretty much blatantly untrue. Our scouting department does not have a high regard for the accuracy of the self reporting that Mack Brown does, that is in fact true. If we draft a UH/UT prospect, then he is going to be one of the HIGHEST character.

Trap_Star
03-06-2007, 09:54 PM
I really do hope our FO is bias..........bias against players that suck....:shades:

ledzeppelin229
03-06-2007, 09:56 PM
I really do hope our FO is bias..........bias against players that suck....:shades:

It would be a dramatic turn around from the Casserly school of scouting.

AustinJB
03-06-2007, 09:59 PM
I really didn't even want to warrant this thread with a response, but as a huge Longhorn fan, I feel the need to defend those of us who do not feel the way the original poster does.

Do I want to see Longhorns do well in the NFL? Sure, but I'm also a huge Texan fan and want them to become a winning team. Every Longhorn player is not the best fit for this team.

I did not and still would not want the Texans to sign L. Davis...he's big, slow, has a problem keeping his weight down and is a big underachiever. Benson is a great young talent, but has a problem staying healthy thus far in his career. Plus he is not worth what the Bears would want for him (and probably not worth a #3 overall draft pick). Sloan Thomas seemed to have potential but obviously couldn't play on a NFL caliber level.

Yeah...Roy Williams, Casey Hampton, Shaun Rogers, Corey Redding, etc. are good to great players but they aren't on the Texans team. Wish we had them but we don't.

I do disagree with some evaluations by our staff of Longhorn players such as DJ, VY, Michael Griffin, and Aaron Ross. However, I do not think it was/is because of some grand conspiracy theory or agenda against the University of Texas. They simple feel like there are better options. I may not completely agree with their assessment, but there is no way that their opinion is formed because of some agenda against UT. Give me a break!

jgite
03-07-2007, 08:47 AM
Well I've been a fan of Texas since I was a child and a fan of this franchise since its inception so I had to put my :twocents: Honestly not every Texas player with fit just like the poster above said. But I would take a look at the DB's that Texas puts out because they teach all of their guys to play all 4 DB positions. Nobody is in a permanent position in the secondary. I would look at Aaron Ross to be our second corner because he has the talent or Mike Griffin because he would make an above average FS. His best year came has a FS in 2005. Well they did have Mike Huff as a SS. Tarrell Brown would be a decent pick up in the later rounds. He just had nagging injuries all year long, but he is healthy now

texans83
03-07-2007, 09:03 AM
I could not believe we are still talking about this. Im a huge texas fan, I was recruted by them for bb and played there for 2yrs b4 having a career ending injury. With that being said the texans have nothing against UT players nor drafting them. They look at the best talent avalible at that time. Now Aaron Ross is going to be gone by the second round and he would be a huge leap for the 8th pick. I too was suprised that they passed on TJ, I thought he would be a great pick up but that was when CC was in charge so we have to let that one go. RW they saw is not what they expected him to be. He dosent give a all out effort every down but thats just I heard. Anyways just let it go there is nothing bias about it.

Champ
03-07-2007, 09:36 AM
Texans need to get more LSU players on the team if Domanick Williams isn't gonna play. Good place to start would be LaRon Landry.

texans83
03-07-2007, 09:43 AM
How about we just say the Texans just need to get the best player avalible and leave it at that. Who cares what school they went to.

HuttoKarl
03-07-2007, 09:50 AM
I wouldn't mind seeing a Texas guy or two in this draft....Ross, Brown, maybe Selvin Young if we take him late enough to make it worthwhile...Ramonce Taylor....whatever.

tulexan
03-07-2007, 09:55 AM
This reminds me of last year when someone said that we shouldn't be able to call ourselves the Texans if we don't have actual Texans on the team.

It was ridiculous last year and it is still ridiculous this year. Where someone goes to college is irrelevant. If you pick a player because he went to a certain school rather than he deserved to be picked at that spot, then you are never going to build a winner.

Besides, if we really wanted to build a team full of talent from a single school, wouldn't we go with Miami? There are probably 10 or 20 times more good NFL players in the league from Miami than from Texas.

texans83
03-07-2007, 09:57 AM
This reminds me of last year when someone said that we shouldn't be able to call ourselves the Texans if we don't have actual Texans on the team.

It was ridiculous last year and it is still ridiculous this year. Where someone goes to college is irrelevant. If you pick a player because he went to a certain school rather than he deserved to be picked at that spot, then you are never going to build a winner.

Besides, if we really wanted to build a team full of talent from a single school, wouldn't we go with Miami? There are probably 10 or 20 times more good NFL players in the league from Miami than from Texas.

correct Miami 2 yrs ago I think had 20 players go to the nfl. the past 2 seasons they havent had that many but I have a feeling all that is about to change again in the comming years.

tulexan
03-07-2007, 10:05 AM
correct Miami 2 yrs ago I think had 20 players go to the nfl. the past 2 seasons they havent had that many but I have a feeling all that is about to change again in the comming years.

If you look at the top 5-10 players in every position except for QB, you will most likely see at least 1 guy from Miami.

They really are a football factory.

profan
03-07-2007, 10:11 AM
i posted this same topic last year and agree 100%. I think things will change with the new GM and coaches. Casserly, did not like texas players, never had, and never will. it's a east coast thing. Just no respect for texas players. When he was on the pregame show this past season, he did not even mention vince young as one of the up and coming young qb's when he was talking about the new qb's in the league. Sooo glad he gone.

Cook Thom
03-07-2007, 10:45 AM
I agree there is a obvious prejudice against the University of Texas on the part of Texan management. Just look at the latest example where we made no attempt to out bid the Cowboys for Leonard Davis. Leonard could have come in and immediately turned around our left tackle problem. If the Texans would sign more UT grads we might have a chance to win the Super Bowl.

texans83
03-07-2007, 10:47 AM
I agree there is a obvious prejudice against the University of Texas on the part of Texan management. Just look at the latest example where we made no attempt to out bid the Cowboys for Leonard Davis. Leonard could have come in and immediately turned around our left tackle problem. If the Texans would sign more UT grads we might have a chance to win the Super Bowl.

how in the hell are we going to out bid for someone if we dont have enought cap space???

dirty steve
03-07-2007, 11:15 AM
I agree there is a obvious prejudice against the University of Texas on the part of Texan management. Just look at the latest example where we made no attempt to out bid the Cowboys for Leonard Davis. Leonard could have come in and immediately turned around our left tackle problem. If the Texans would sign more UT grads we might have a chance to win the Super Bowl.
get the freak over yourself UT homers. i'd like to know how you figured to fill all those holes at QB-CB-RB-WR after you blow your respective free agent load on one player. plus, from what i have read, the reason davis failed in arizona is that he is a guard playing tackle.

Errant Hothy
03-07-2007, 11:19 AM
I agree there is a obvious prejudice against the University of Texas on the part of Texan management. Just look at the latest example where we made no attempt to out bid the Cowboys for Leonard Davis. Leonard could have come in and immediately turned around our left tackle problem. If the Texans would sign more UT grads we might have a chance to win the Super Bowl.

Leonard Davis is so over-rated as a LT, you wouldn't be to far off to call him a bust.

Trap_Star
03-07-2007, 11:21 AM
Leonard Davis is so over-rated as a LT, you wouldn't be to far off to call him a bust.

The Cards drafted a RG with the #2 overall pick...:joker:

Runner
03-08-2007, 07:21 AM
Texans dont like Texas players ...

I've found that most Texans fans don't like anyone who played college ball north of the Manson-Nixon line.

MojoMan
03-08-2007, 10:20 AM
Of course, Coach Kubiak is an Aggie. It could be as simple as that.

:)

michaelm
03-08-2007, 12:59 PM
that's obvious. but, let's give players from some of the other 29 teams a shot is all i'm saying.

The Raiders are one of those 29 other teams... so I guess they granted your wishes and we can all move on...

kastofsna
03-08-2007, 01:05 PM
maybe the texans just don't like texas fans. and i can't blame them for that. ;)

dtran04
03-08-2007, 01:06 PM
Do people in Miami complain about not getting enough players from the U? Just curious.

kastofsna
03-08-2007, 01:10 PM
absolutely. the only miami players we've drafted high have been Yatil Green and Vernon Carey. Green washed out due to injury, and Carey was considered a reach. although now he's one of the best RT's in the game.

trutxn
03-08-2007, 02:35 PM
You would think since our team name is the Texans, we would have a few of them on the team. Not that every player should be from Texas, but the FO should take some pride in our name. I haven't heard of anyone praying to be drafted by the Texans this year, as one well known Texan did last year. Texans are prideful people and will do anything to gain and maintain respect. In order to make all us fans happy, the FO should trade the entire offense to the Titans to get Vince back. Wait, the Titans would never do it because Vince is better than our whole offense. Besides in 6 more years when Vince's contract is up with the Titans and he has already won 2 or 3 SBs, he may come back to help us. There will always be resentment against the Texans choice last year, but it is time to move on. Kubes and Smity will build a winner in Houston, even if the players are not really Texans. We could always change the team name to the Yankees, as long as we win.

trutxn
03-08-2007, 02:36 PM
Do people in Miami complain about not getting enough players from the U? Just curious.

They are the Dolphins, not the Miamians. There is no state as proud of their people as Texas.

Errant Hothy
03-08-2007, 02:38 PM
You would think since our team name is the Texans, we would have a few of them on the team. Not that every player should be from Texas, but the FO should take some pride in our name. I haven't heard of anyone praying to be drafted by the Texans this year, as one well known Texan did last year. Texans are prideful people and will do anything to gain and maintain respect. In order to make all us fans happy, the FO should trade the entire offense to the Titans to get Vince back. Wait, the Titans would never do it because Vince is better than our whole offense. Besides in 6 more years when Vince's contract is up with the Titans and he has already won 2 or 3 SBs, he may come back to help us. There will always be resentment against the Texans choice last year, but it is time to move on. Kubes and Smity will build a winner in Houston, even if the players are not really Texans. We could always change the team name to the Yankees, as long as we win.

We've got one for a coach.

As for teh Yankees analogy, should the NY Yankees only have yankees ontheir roster, even at teh cost of 27 WS titles?

Am I the only one who finds this argueement asinine?

HuttoKarl
03-08-2007, 02:39 PM
We've got one for a coach.

As for teh Yankees analogy, should the NY Yankees only have yankees ontheir roster, even at teh cost of 27 WS titles?

Am I the only one who finds this argueement asinine?

No, you're not.

trutxn
03-08-2007, 02:45 PM
I agree there is a obvious prejudice against the University of Texas on the part of Texan management. Just look at the latest example where we made no attempt to out bid the Cowboys for Leonard Davis. Leonard could have come in and immediately turned around our left tackle problem. If the Texans would sign more UT grads we might have a chance to win the Super Bowl.

We didn't have the money to compete with the contract numbers. Hindsight is 20-20, but I would much rather have Derrick Johnson and Vince on the team right now.

Blake
03-08-2007, 02:50 PM
I dont think the org has a bias against UT players. We are the public just get Texas college players jammed down our throat here in Tejas, so we perceive them as better than they actually are.

Although DJ and VY would be looking mighty nice right now.

HuttoKarl
03-08-2007, 02:51 PM
We didn't have the money to compete with the contract numbers. Hindsight is 20-20, but I would much rather have Derrick Johnson and Vince on the team right now.

Leonard Davis also isn't really a zone-blocking sorta LT....and he's not really that good.

trutxn
03-08-2007, 02:53 PM
We've got one for a coach.

As for teh Yankees analogy, should the NY Yankees only have yankees ontheir roster, even at teh cost of 27 WS titles?

Am I the only one who finds this argueement asinine?

Obviously you don't pick up on sarcasm very quickly. If Vince was taken last year this thread would not have been started. Texas (the state not university) football has a very rich tradition and Vince just happened to be one of, if not the greatest player in Texas football history. Therefore it would have been ideal for him to play for the Texans, dee, dee, dee. The resentment will continue throughout Vince's successful career, no matter what Mario does. Houston now has two teams, the Texans and Titans.

Errant Hothy
03-08-2007, 02:59 PM
Obviously you don't pick up on sarcasm very quickly. If Vince was taken last year this thread would not have been started. Texas (the state not university) football has a very rich tradition and Vince just happened to be one of, if not the greatest player in Texas football history. Therefore it would have been ideal for him to play for the Texans, dee, dee, dee. The resentment will continue throughout Vince's successful career, no matter what Mario does. Houston now has two teams, the Texans and Titans.

SO this is now a thinnly veiled VY thread? My bad I cause I didn't see that.

Oh and if any fan of teh Texans is also a fan of the Titans there more bandwagonners then Houstonians.

As for DJ...I've been asking posters here for a while to tell me what he has done in KC that makes everybody think he is so great? Better pick then TJ? Maybe, maybe not; neither has done much of anything in the NFL. And I'd take Brown, an OU player, over both of them.

michaelm
03-08-2007, 03:10 PM
Am I the only one who finds this argueement asinine?

I couldn't say, to be honest... I never made it past his second sentence.

Blake
03-08-2007, 03:15 PM
Obviously you don't pick up on sarcasm very quickly. If Vince was taken last year this thread would not have been started. Texas (the state not university) football has a very rich tradition and Vince just happened to be one of, if not the greatest player in Texas football history. Therefore it would have been ideal for him to play for the Texans, dee, dee, dee. The resentment will continue throughout Vince's successful career, no matter what Mario does. Houston now has two teams, the Texans and Titans.

Kubiak could have united half of the state under one flag with Vince young. Austin would be a Texans team for the next 10 years. People in austin, and houston, and surrounding areas go GAGA over this dude.

He would dominate this thing we call Texas.

HuttoKarl
03-08-2007, 03:17 PM
Kubiak could have united half of the state under one flag with Vince young. Austin would be a Texans team for the next 10 years. People in austin, and houston, and surrounding areas go GAGA over this dude.

He would dominate this thing we call Texas.

Meh...if we drafted Young, the Aggies would be pissed off. Damned if you do, damned if you don't.

trutxn
03-08-2007, 03:25 PM
SO this is now a thinnly veiled VY thread? My bad I cause I didn't see that.

Oh and if any fan of teh Texans is also a fan of the Titans there more bandwagonners then Houstonians.

As for DJ...I've been asking posters here for a while to tell me what he has done in KC that makes everybody think he is so great? Better pick then TJ? Maybe, maybe not; neither has done much of anything in the NFL. And I'd take Brown, an OU player, over both of them.

You don't have to live in Houston to have season tickets or be a true fan. There is actually a world outside of Houston believe it or not. I don't like the Titans as an organization, but Vince is a "Houstonian" and a Texan. With that said, TEXANS hope he is successful, and its obvious most Houstonians think the same considering the reaction at Reliant when HE defeated us. No one said DJ was great, we said he would have been a better addition than TJ. I don't think stats are a tell all but it proves everyones' point here.


DJ=
Yr G Total Tkl Ast Sacks FF
05 16 95 79.0 16 2 2
06 13 75 57.0 18 4.5 2


TJ=
Yr G Total Tkl Ast Sacks FF
05 15 26 23 3 1 0
06 9 11 8 3 0 0


Your smoking crack if you think that DJ is not more productive. Do you honestly think this conversation would be taking place if Vince was on the team? NO! I love the Texans, but most of all I love football. This will only fuel the rivalry for years to come.

Errant Hothy
03-08-2007, 03:40 PM
You don't have to live in Houston to have season tickets or be a true fan. There is actually a world outside of Houston believe it or not. I don't like the Titans as an organization, but Vince is a "Houstonian" and a Texan. With that said, TEXANS hope he is successful, and its obvious most Houstonians think the same considering the reaction at Reliant when HE defeated us. No one said DJ was great, we said he would have been a better addition than TJ. I don't think stats are a tell all but it proves everyones' point here.


DJ=
Yr G Total Tkl Ast Sacks FF
05 16 95 79.0 16 2 2
06 13 75 57.0 18 4.5 2


TJ=
Yr G Total Tkl Ast Sacks FF
05 15 26 23 3 1 0
06 9 11 8 3 0 0


Your smoking crack if you think that DJ is not more productive. Do you honestly think this conversation would be taking place if Vince was on the team? NO! I love the Texans, but most of all I love football. This will only fuel the rivalry for years to come.

I never said TJ was better, I said a) I don't get why DJ still gets all teh man-love from this board, espically after Ryans put up stats that blow DJs out of the water (almost any other LB draft as higher of higher then DJ has put up way better stats), b) I said that he might be a better pick, then again he might not, you can't compare stats DTs and LBs, two totally different positions and prioritys. Looking bakc untill last year DJ would probably been teh better pick, after watching Ryans last year, I'll suffer TJ since it meant we got Ryans.

SO maybe the better question would you rather have DJ or Jamaal Brown, knowing that if you pick DJ you don't get Ryans?

AS for teh world outside of Houston...NO ****! I live in it dumbass. ANd if you are a Houtonian and you pul for teh Titans I think you are a bit of a turncoat...no mater who is on their roster.

HuttoKarl
03-08-2007, 03:42 PM
I never said TJ was better, I said a) I don't get why DJ still gets all teh man-love from this board, espically after Ryans put stats blow s DJs out of the water (almost any other LB draft as higher of higher then DJ has put up way better stats), b)I said that he might be a better pick, then again he might not, you can't compare stats DTs and LBs, two totally different positions and prioritys.

SO maybe the better question would you rather have DJ or Jamaal Brown, knwoing tha if you pick DJ you don't get Ryans?

I know Anthony Maddox's numbers blew Travis Johnson's out of the water though. :)

trutxn
03-08-2007, 03:47 PM
I never said TJ was better, I said a) I don't get why DJ still gets all teh man-love from this board, espically after Ryans put stats blow s DJs out of the water (almost any other LB draft as higher of higher then DJ has put up way better stats), b)I said that he might be a better pick, then again he might not, you can't compare stats DTs and LBs, two totally different positions and prioritys.

SO maybe the better question would you rather have DJ or Jamaal Brown, knwoing tha if you pick DJ you don't get Ryans?

You can't compare the two positions, but you can compare the productivity of the players at their respective positions. DTs don't get near as many tackles but they should get a lot more than TJ has. TJ has not live up to 1st round talent, more like 6-7 round talent. DJ on the other hand is making about 90 takles a yr, he won't blow anyone away with the #s, but he will be a starter his entire career with them. No one compared DeMeco to anyone, he is better than both and we are fortunate to have him. Even though he is not from Texas. Well, Alabama...thats east Texas.

trutxn
03-08-2007, 03:48 PM
I know Anthony Maddox's numbers blew Travis Johnson's out of the water though. :)

And it's sad considering we drafted TJ in the 1st and no one wanted AM at all.

trutxn
03-08-2007, 03:54 PM
SO maybe the better question would you rather have DJ or Jamaal Brown, knowing that if you pick DJ you don't get Ryans?

AS for teh world outside of Houston...NO ****! I live in it dumbass. ANd if you are a Houtonian and you pul for teh Titans I think you are a bit of a turncoat...no mater who is on their roster.

Speaking of dumbass, your statement "If you pick DJ you don't get Ryans" thats like saying if we get TJ we don't get Mario. Come on sunshine, you'll be ok.

Specnatz
03-08-2007, 05:45 PM
Everytime I read a thread like this, it makes me hate UT more and more. Why, because it is UT or nothing.

For example, the original poster brings up Derrick Johnson and also Travis Johnson but fails to bring up the one true glaring weakness of the team since coming into the league, the offensive line and the possibility of drafting Jammal Brown who is the starting LT for the Saints. Which is the position that has hurt Houston since the begining, but hey I guess you rather not have a starting LT because he did not goto UT.

But yeah they are biassed against UT players and you have blinders on.

Errant Hothy
03-09-2007, 07:28 AM
Speaking of dumbass, your statement "If you pick DJ you don't get Ryans" thats like saying if we get TJ we don't get Mario. Come on sunshine, you'll be ok.

You truly think that a franchise with as many holes as ours would not have gone another direction in the 2nd last year if we had DJ on the roster?

And I love how the second somebody brings up Brown all teh DJ man love slows down.

And I agree about Madoox...TJ is a bust. Maybe he can turn it around but I'm not holding my breath. My big issue it that DJ is an average LB, and to some people hear the fact that he played at UT makes him better then he really is. Cass. said that Dj might have some issues in teh NFL since he won't be able to run around palyers, and looking at teh tackle numbers he might just have been right. (Cass wasn't a genius but he made a few good calls hear and there.)

So once again, I know for a fact that their is no UT bias in teh front office, nor is there a bias to aggies. C'mon guy we're all smart enough not to think this kind of drivle. FWIW Jordan Black is from Mesquite...in TX.

Mr. White
03-09-2007, 07:52 AM
I'm a Longhorn, but I also hate these threads. Makes people think that all Texas fans are whiners.

For the most part, UT hasn't produced a very high caliber of pro prospects. Just hasn't happened. Especially when you compare them to teams like Ohio State, Miami, or USC.

Case in point. The 2005 Rose Bowl. Remember all the USC sideline being littered with NFL Hall of Famers from USC? We had Roger Clemens and Matthew McConaughey.

I also think that Casserly was wise to this and to his detriment, passed on Derrick Johnson just because he was a Longhorn. I think that this may have something to do with him passing on Vince Young as well.

However, this seems to be changing the past few years. Mack Brown's doing a better job of developing players for the pros than he used to.

threetoedpete
03-09-2007, 08:51 AM
Everytime I read a thread like this, it makes me hate UT more and more. Why, because it is UT or nothing.

For example, the original poster brings up Derrick Johnson and also Travis Johnson but fails to bring up the one true glaring weakness of the team since coming into the league, the offensive line and the possibility of drafting Jammal Brown who is the starting LT for the Saints. Which is the position that has hurt Houston since the begining, but hey I guess you rather not have a starting LT because he did not goto UT.

But yeah they are biassed against UT players and you have blinders on.

SSSH. (ttp whispers) that's the dirty little secret. We don't NEED a left tackle. Dc IS the problem. Bringing logic and reasoning in only distrups their agendas. We NEED to draft safties and franchise running backs. OK ?

HuttoKarl
03-09-2007, 09:03 AM
And it's sad considering we drafted TJ in the 1st and no one wanted AM at all.

I want us to give the guy an extension. :dance2:

TwinSisters
03-12-2007, 08:39 PM
I just wanted to throw this out there but it seems to me that the Texan FO doesnt like University of Texas players. Sloan Thomas was cut, Derrick Johnson was passed over for....get this Travis Johnson, VY is in there too. What about Leonard Davis? He may have sucked but the Cowboys got him.

Sloan Thomas was cut without playing for three teams. On his 4th now?
Drafted in the 7th round as the only Texas player selected.

Houston Oilers 1960-1996 36 years:

7 players drafted from Texas ( 8 if you count Nobis ).

Only 2 taken in the first round ( 78' and 64' ). 1 in the second and 4 taken in the late rounds 6th-17th.

Scott Appleton, a defensive tackle, is the other ( oddly enough drafted by the Cowboys too ).

In this same time period, 18 Texas players have been drafted in the first round.

Not sure if their is conspiracy in the works. But if there is, then I suspect Bud Adams is also an operating Thetan that came over on the same DC-9 that McNair flew in on.