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common_fan
03-06-2007, 10:47 AM
Who should have been the first overall pick that year?

TexansLucky13
03-06-2007, 10:47 AM
David Carr

Reddevil63
03-06-2007, 10:48 AM
me!

common_fan
03-06-2007, 10:51 AM
me!

Ey Red, are you Joey Harrington? :sarcasm:

Doom Capers
03-06-2007, 10:53 AM
Peppers

Errant Hothy
03-06-2007, 10:57 AM
Peppers, easily. While I understand the team's desire to draft the "face of the orgainization", Peppers clearly would have been teh best pick.

Texan_Bill
03-06-2007, 10:59 AM
Who should have been the first overall pick that year?

Julius Peppers.... Period.

I don't care that Dom was going to be running the 3-4 here, Peppers was too good and would have made a major impact right away - whatever D alignment we were running!!

santo
03-06-2007, 11:07 AM
Julius Peppers.


We could have sucked that year and picked up Carson Palmer in the 2003 draft.

:stirpot:

Reddevil63
03-06-2007, 11:42 AM
Its not like they didnt try, the Bengals beat us that season. :hides:

mike230765
03-06-2007, 12:08 PM
I would still go with carr

texans83
03-06-2007, 12:17 PM
I would still go with carr

I prob woud have gone with Carr but had a vetran come in for a year and mould Carr while he sat the bench.

real
03-06-2007, 12:21 PM
Peppers.

Carr should have gone somehwere around 15-20, and Harrington should have been a 3rd or 4th rounder...

TexanSam
03-06-2007, 12:21 PM
Are you asking who should have the pick based on what we know now or who should have been the pick at that point in time? Now it's obviously Peppers. Then...I would still say Carr should have been the pick. He was the top rated QB in the class and no one obviously thought that the 2002 draft would be as bad as it has turned out to be.

El Amigo Invisible
03-06-2007, 12:29 PM
Jabbar Gaffney and Chester Pitts before Clinton Portis. I was not aware of that.:hides:

common_fan
03-06-2007, 12:32 PM
Are you asking who should have the pick based on what we know now or who should have been the pick at that point in time? Now it's obviously Peppers. Then...I would still say Carr should have been the pick. He was the top rated QB in the class and no one obviously thought that the 2002 draft would be as bad as it has turned out to be.

Now, then, it doesn't matter to me. It's all based upon your own opinion. I thought that we should have traded down for more picks.

Ole Miss Texan
03-06-2007, 12:36 PM
Well it depends. looking back I would have drafted Peppers. but then again I would have gotten carr more o-line help and we probably wouldn't be talking about this.

I still say we made the right pick. Gotta pick a QB as your first pick ever to be the face of the franchise and I was so happy we chose carr over harrington.

PapaL
03-06-2007, 12:56 PM
Jabbar Gaffney and Chester Pitts before Clinton Portis. I was not aware of that.:hides:

I'm feeling sick again...just like I did when Gaffney was picked. I knew it...to bad no one listed to some guy sitting on his sofa yelling draft Portis! Win some, lose some.

TEXANRED
03-06-2007, 01:08 PM
Traded down for more picks.

Peppers #1 overall? Who takes DE's as an overall #1 pick!?

Who would you have picked out of this fine group of athletes?
http://football.about.com/od/nfldrafthistory/l/bl_draft2002.htm

1. Houston David Carr QB Fresno State
2. Carolina Julius Peppers DE North Carolina
3. Detroit Joey Harrington QB Oregon
4. Buffalo Mike Williams OT Texas
5. San Diego Quentin Jammer CB Texas
6. Kansas City (from Dallas) Ryan Sims DT North Carolina
7. Minnesota Bryant McKinnie OT Miami (Fla)
8. Dallas (from Kansas City) Roy Williams SS Oklahoma
9. Jacksonville John Henderson DT Tennessee
10. Cincinnati Levi Jones OT Arizona State
11. Indianapolis Dwight Freeney DE Syracuse
12. Arizona Wendell Bryant DT Wisconsin
13. New Orleans Donte Stallworth WR Tennessee
14. NY Giants (from Tennessee) Jeremy Shockey TE Miami (Fla)
15. Tennessee (from NY Giants) Albert Haynesworth DT Tennessee
16. Cleveland William Green RB Boston College
17. Oakland (from Atlanta) Phillip Buchanon CB Miami (Fla)
18. Atlanta (from Washington through Oakland) T.J. Duckett RB Michigan State
19. Denver Ashley Lelie WR Hawaii
20. Green Bay (from Seattle) Javon Walker WR Florida State
21. New England (from Tampa Bay through Oakland and Washington) Daniel Graham TE Colorado
22. NY Jets Bryan Thomas DE Alabama-Birmingham
23. Oakland Napolean Harris OLB Northwestern
24. Baltimore Edward Reed S Miami (FLA)
25. New Orleans (from Miami) Charles Grant DE Georgia
26. Philadelphia Lito Sheppard CB Florida
27. San Francisco Mike Rumph CB Miami (Fla)
28. Seattle (from Green Bay) Jerramy Stevens TE Washington
29. Chicago Marc Colombo OT Boston College
30. Pittsburgh Kendall Simmons OG Auburn
31. St. Louis Robert Thomas MLB UCLA
32. Washington (from New England) Patrick Ramsey QB Tulane

PapaL
03-06-2007, 01:28 PM
Traded down for more picks.

Peppers #1 overall? Who takes DE's as an overall #1 pick!?

Who would you have picked out of this fine group of athletes?
http://football.about.com/od/nfldrafthistory/l/bl_draft2002.htm

Looking over the names in the first round, the only thought that crosses my mind is "Wow what a stinker!"

The second round rocked though. Unfortunetly we dropped the ball.

Texan_Bill
03-06-2007, 01:34 PM
Traded down for more picks.

Peppers #1 overall? Who takes DE's as an overall #1 pick!?

Who would you have picked out of this fine group of athletes?
http://football.about.com/od/nfldrafthistory/l/bl_draft2002.htm

Thanks for the list. I had forgotten some of those names.. I would still go with what I said above... Peppers!!

Hulk75
03-06-2007, 01:46 PM
David Carr

David Carr

Second Honeymoon
03-06-2007, 01:47 PM
Carr for sure.

Woulda...coulda...shoulda....doesn't count!

He was the best pick for us on the board in 02. He has all the tools to be everything they drafted him for. Maybe we should have let him sit for a while and not made him the "bean-bag" of the NFL...

What a total shame!
Shame on the entire FO and
Shame on Mr. McNair for letting it happen.:thumbdown

shame on david carr as well

Second Honeymoon
03-06-2007, 01:49 PM
David Carr

wow what a surprise....

i would have chose Diet Pepsi

Hulk75
03-06-2007, 01:50 PM
Peppers.

Carr should have gone somehwere around 15-20, and Harrington should have been a 3rd or 4th rounder...

SHOOT! He probably would have been on a better team! Dang, never thought of that. I change my vote to the "Orange Julious".:rolleyes:

The Pencil Neck
03-06-2007, 01:52 PM
Carr for sure.

Woulda...coulda...shoulda....doesn't count!

He was the best pick for us on the board in 02. He has all the tools to be everything they drafted him for. Maybe we should have let him sit for a while and not made him the "bean-bag" of the NFL...

What a total shame!
Shame on the entire FO and
Shame on Mr. McNair for letting it happen.:thumbdown

Well, if you think back to those first drafts, they THOUGHT they were building a strong line for him with Boselli, Young, Pitts, Weary. Boselli and Young never worked out and the line became a patchwork quilt after that. I don't think they showed the same dedication to the line after that.

Before going into that first TC, I was happy because I thought they were doing it right and building from the lines out. I thought for sure Boselli was going to give us 4-5 good years.

TEXANRED
03-06-2007, 02:06 PM
I second that!!:ok:

OK.........NO.............NO Dr. Phil avatars...........Yes I am the avatar police. Dr. Phil is the gateway avatar to Opra. We as responsible Texan fans and we cannot.........neh...........will not let that happen.

texans83
03-06-2007, 02:11 PM
OK.........NO.............NO Dr. Phil avatars...........Yes I am the avatar police. Dr. Phil is the gateway avatar to Opra. We as responsible Texan fans and we cannot.........neh...........will not let that happen.

I dont even think he was agreeing with Davids bro.

The Pencil Neck
03-06-2007, 02:12 PM
Boselli was a "busted pick", they gave him entirely too much money and time. But it seems to me that the FO has a way of bringing in "patch-work" players that need some rehab of some sort. BUT HEY, when and IF they ever play they are gonna be PRO BOWL material!! GEEEEEEE

What's really sad is that they decided to go with Boselli instead of Orlando Pace because their doctor said that Boselli was healthy and Pace might not recover from his injuries.

I'm afraid we're making the same sort of mistake with Green right now. I hope not but I'm still askairt.

Ole Miss Texan
03-06-2007, 02:32 PM
My roommate makes fun of me all the time because of the whole 2006 fiasco.

Now I'm going to make fun of him for taking TJ Duckett instead of ED REED!!!

lol plus that whole vick/tomlinson trade...what a goof... Vick sure hasn't panned out to be the Michael Jordan of football has he? lol suckers

TEXANRED
03-06-2007, 02:41 PM
Who stomped on your toes? I think he's kinda funny myself. Am I missing something? Have you had a bad experience with a shrink and the sight of one sends you running? IT"S A JOKE! Settle down.:aikido:

Dr. Phil and Opra are no laughing matters.

I will see your :aikido: and raise you a :ninja:

real
03-06-2007, 03:33 PM
I second that!!:ok:

I understand Hulk's undying love for David...


But I mean....what are your reasons ?

autch14
03-06-2007, 03:35 PM
either peppers or freeney

QB75
03-06-2007, 03:36 PM
Who should have been the first overall pick that year?

Nothing like second guessing. David Carr might have turned out to be more successful with an established team and some QB coaching.

stingray
03-06-2007, 03:39 PM
I've seen worse drafts. This ain't that bad. Peppers, Freeny, Levi Jones, Shockey, Javon Walker, Ed reed, And Charles Grant. This draft had the best defensive end and safety in the NFL at this point.

Texan_Bill
03-06-2007, 03:58 PM
Traded down for more picks.

Peppers #1 overall? Who takes DE's as an overall #1 pick!?

Who would you have picked out of this fine group of athletes?
http://football.about.com/od/nfldrafthistory/l/bl_draft2002.htm

This list includes DEs and DTs, but you will see the point in that, the last 25 years, a D-lineman has been selected about 36% of the time... (Granted many/ most on this list were busts, but a couple went on to have good careers)

Year Round Pick Player Position Team
1982 1 1 Ken Sims DE New England
1985 1 1 Bruce Smith DE Buffalo
1986 1 1 Tony Casillas DT Atlanta
1988 1 1 Aundrey Bruce DT Atlanta
1991 1 1 Russell Maryland NT Dallas
1992 1 1 Steve Emtman DT Indianapolis
1994 1 1 Dan Wilkerson DT Cincinnati
2000 1 1 Courtney Brown DE Cleveland
2006 1 1 Mario Williams DE Houston

stingray
03-06-2007, 04:06 PM
This list includes DEs and DTs, but you will see the point in that, the last 25 years, a D-lineman has been selected about 36% of the time... (Granted many/ most on this list were busts, but a couple went on to have good careers)

Year Round Pick Player Position Team
1982 1 1 Ken Sims DE New England
1985 1 1 Bruce Smith DE Buffalo
1986 1 1 Tony Casillas DT Atlanta
1988 1 1 Aundrey Bruce DT Atlanta
1991 1 1 Russell Maryland NT Dallas
1992 1 1 Steve Emtman DT Indianapolis
1994 1 1 Dan Wilkerson DT Cincinnati
2000 1 1 Courtney Brown DE Cleveland
2006 1 1 Mario Williams DE Houston

Out of all those, only Bruce was worth the pick. Hopefully mario will be the second.

Texan_Bill
03-06-2007, 04:11 PM
Out of all those, only Bruce was worth the pick. Hopefully mario will be the second.

Actually, thats why I put.... "Many / most were busts" and I was thinking the same thing about Bruce Smith and hopefully Mario...

In retrospect, why teams continue do that is beyond me given 1 guy has done well, the jury is out on 1 guy and 7 others were busts.

However, I still wanted Peppers in 2002.

MATRIX
03-06-2007, 06:10 PM
Well, the reality is...Carr was the best QB. So, we took him and thats what we have.


Now, in another dimension/time Julius Peppers if we had had a QB and needed D.

DarkNinja
03-06-2007, 06:58 PM
Julius Peppers.


We could have sucked that year and picked up Carson Palmer in the 2003 draft.

:stirpot:

Love that avatar!!

Hervoyel
03-06-2007, 07:48 PM
You know, guys can talk all day long about how David Carr was the top rated QB and about how he supposedly has all of the physical tools you look for and that may even be true. What it doesn't change however is that under no circumstances should he have been the first pick of the 2002 draft.

It was a terrible mistake at the time and it looks more idiotic every year that passes by.

The reason David Carr had no business being the first overall pick that year is simple. The first overall pick was held by an expansion team and I don't care who you got in the expansion draft or signed in free agency no expansion team should even be allowed to select a QB first overall in it's first year of existence. There should be a rule against it. Hell, there should be a law against it.

Expansion teams that lead off with QB's invariably destroy those QB's long before anyone ever gets a chance to see whether or not those QB's can actually play.

The Texans obviously should have taken Julius Peppers with the first overall pick. In any other year when an expansion team wasn't picking first Carr would have been the top choice. That's true whether he deserved it or was nothing but the product of a hype machine. That's immaterial in the long run because NFL teams almost always fall for the hype machine.

Hervoyel
03-06-2007, 07:50 PM
I understand Hulk's undying love for David...


But I mean....what are your reasons ?

Do the math.

Errant Hothy
03-06-2007, 07:59 PM
That's true whether he deserved it or was nothing but the product of a hype machine. That's immaterial in the long run because NFL teams almost always fall for the hype machine.

So did we avoid it with Reggie Bush?:stirpot: :drunk:

Tulip
03-06-2007, 08:08 PM
Peppers then....Peppers now.

I was never excited about David - he's just not the type of guy that excites people. And I think that's a necessary quality for a #1 overall pick. Someone to get psyched about.

t_flare
03-06-2007, 09:32 PM
man... the texans really ruin Carr's career...:(

LT Tony Boselli --> bust
LT Seth Wand --> bust
RG Todd Wade --> bust

and there are 3 more ppl i cant remember names.

Ryan
03-06-2007, 09:49 PM
David Carr

It was the FO fault for his downfall

yourfavoritetexan42
03-06-2007, 09:56 PM
My draft would have looked like this (with the knowledge I have now, of course)

1st: Julius Peppers DE
2nd: LeCharles Bentley C
2nd: Chester Pitts LG
3rd: Akin Ayodele OLB
3rd: Fred Weary RG
4th: Randy McMichael TE
5th: Andra Davis MLB
5th: Scott Fujita OLB
6th: Demarcus Faggins CB
6th: Jeb Putzier
(7th doesn't matter...no talent still in the nfl)

But we would build on that...and going into the 2007 season... ourlineup would be:

QB: Vince Young
HB: Ahman Green/Domanick Williams/Ron Dayne
FB: Vonta Leach
WR: Andre Johnson
WR: Eric Moulds
TE: Randy McMichael
LT: Jammal Brown
LG: Chester Pitts
C: LeCharles Bentley
RG: Fred Weary
RT: Charles Spencer/Eric Winston

DE: Julius Peppers
DT: Tommie Harris
DT: Anthony Maddox/Thomas Johnson
DE: Osi Umenyiora
OLB: Demeco Ryans
MLB: Andre Davis
OLB: Akin Ayodele
CB: Dunta Robinson
FS: Bob Sanders
SS: Glenn Earl
CB: Charles Tillman

haha...fully stacked... ok stop dreaming...

QB75
03-06-2007, 09:58 PM
You know, guys can talk all day long about how David Carr was the top rated QB and about how he supposedly has all of the physical tools you look for and that may even be true. What it doesn't change however is that under no circumstances should he have been the first pick of the 2002 draft.

It was a terrible mistake at the time and it looks more idiotic every year that passes by.

The reason David Carr had no business being the first overall pick that year is simple. The first overall pick was held by an expansion team and I don't care who you got in the expansion draft or signed in free agency no expansion team should even be allowed to select a QB first overall in it's first year of existence. There should be a rule against it. Hell, there should be a law against it.

Expansion teams that lead off with QB's invariably destroy those QB's long before anyone ever gets a chance to see whether or not those QB's can actually play.

The Texans obviously should have obviously taken Julius Peppers with the first overall pick. In any other year when an expansion team wasn't picking first Carr would have been the top choice. That's true whether he deserved it or was nothing but the product of a hype machine. That's immaterial in the long run because NFL teams almost always fall for the hype machine.

Yeah, "obviously" with 5 years hindsight. :shades:

Trap_Star
03-06-2007, 10:00 PM
I'll keep it real, I actually wanted Joey Harrington...:hides:

MojoX
03-06-2007, 10:19 PM
At the time, I was torn between Peppers and McKinnie. I never went one way or the other, I was a fan of both players. I thought it would be best for the team to build from the lines out. Being a Houston sports fan and not knowing a lot about Carr I accepted that Carr would be the guy and hoped Capers and Casserly were on to something.

El Amigo Invisible
03-06-2007, 10:21 PM
Tommy Harris?

El Amigo Invisible
03-06-2007, 10:40 PM
Tommy Harris? Why didn't we draft this guy?

Hervoyel
03-06-2007, 11:02 PM
Yeah, "obviously" with 5 years hindsight. :shades:

So you couldn't look at what happened to Tim Couch, see the parallels with the deal the Texans were given, and see that David Carr was about to get destroyed?

I thought that was kind of hard to miss at the time. Sure there was optimism. It was being served in 55 gallon drums before opening night 2002. The people in here who know what they're talking about and who have consistently demonstrated that they know what they're looking at all voiced concern over the route the Texans chose to go in. The only thing keeping the doubters at bay was Tony Boselli and the consistent promises that he would play.

In hindsight it wouldn't have made any difference if he had played and been healthy. He was just one guy and the Texans line (and QB) had more problems than Tony Boselli could solve in his prime, much less in 2002.

liltony9144
03-07-2007, 12:42 AM
Who should have been the first overall pick that year?

Carr, still.

If we would have hired Gary Kubiak instead of Dom in 2002, we could have went with either Carr or Peppers. But, yeah, still Carr.

If it wasn't for Dom and his poor offensive coaching staff, Carr I'm sure wouldn't be in the hot seat right now.

Oh, right. And QBs for the 2002 draft ended up a waste, eh?

Joey Harrington the 3rd pick? He's in a worse situation than Carr. Ha.

TwinSisters
03-07-2007, 01:07 AM
Out of all those, only Bruce was worth the pick. Hopefully mario will be the second.

Polian was director of Pro Scouting when Smith was selected.
---

And David Carr should have gone first in 2002.

for the Washington Redskins, because we traded out of the slot.

SamuraiSword
03-07-2007, 01:32 AM
Carr, still.

If we would have hired Gary Kubiak instead of Dom in 2002, we could have went with either Carr or Peppers. But, yeah, still Carr.

If it wasn't for Dom and his poor offensive coaching staff, Carr I'm sure wouldn't be in the hot seat right now.

Oh, right. And QBs for the 2002 draft ended up a waste, eh?

Joey Harrington the 3rd pick? He's in a worse situation than Carr. Ha.

Kubiak doesn't like to pick QB's that high in the draft. It would of been Julius Peppers if Kubiak was head coach at the time.