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tulexan
03-05-2007, 07:55 AM
Former Green Wave QB, Patrick Ramsey will be visiting the Texans this week. Never had too much success in the league, but I don't think he has been given a fair shake.

It's interesting to note that quarterback Patrick Ramsey is coming to visit, this week. Bringing in Ramsey for a look doesn't make the Texans seem like they intend to keep David Carr, who hasn't commented on the issue because you still get paid.

http://blogs.chron.com/nfl/2007/03/carr_and_green_could_benefit_f.html

Mr teX
03-05-2007, 08:11 AM
Now if anyone wants to compare any incoming/current QB's to DC it's this guy. drafted out of a relatively small school, has been hit so many times that he's shell-shocked & can't concentrate down field, bad coaching/schemes that left the kid out to dry & virtually no pocket presence.

Really the only difference between both is there draft positions & mobility.


No thanks, i'll pass.

AtheGreat
03-05-2007, 08:15 AM
this means that Ramsey is going to backup Sage and Carr is out???

Mr teX
03-05-2007, 08:28 AM
You might as well let carr do it since he & Ramsey are identical & save the cap hit; you also have someone with 1 year in your system.

QB75
03-05-2007, 09:24 AM
this means that Ramsey is going to backup Sage and Carr is out???

If they sign Ramsey and trade Carr, I expect that Ramsey will eventually win the starting job.

Exithios
03-05-2007, 09:29 AM
If they sign Ramsey and trade Carr, I expect that Ramsey will eventually win the starting job.

If Ransey wins a starting job, I beleive that it will only be because we are molding a rookie QB. No way can I fathom him being brought in as a long term solution.

thunderkyss
03-05-2007, 09:50 AM
If Ransey wins a starting job, I beleive that it will only be because we are molding a rookie QB. No way can I fathom him being brought in as a long term solution.

I expect we're going to sign him to a small something, something. He'll be in the QB competition we'll hold this off season. I doubt we'll hold more than 3 QBs this coming season.

Sage is a lock to make the team(I think). If Plummer shows up, he'll be the starter by default.

If we draft Quinn, BVP & Ramsey, are gone, Porter will go back to the Practice team.

If we don't draft Quinn, Ramsey & BVP will duke it out for the third spot.

Without Plummer, I think it'll be:

Sage, BVP/Ramsey, Quinn

Roughnecks
03-05-2007, 10:06 AM
no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no

Corrosion
03-05-2007, 11:08 AM
/slits wrist

Ole Miss Texan
03-05-2007, 11:14 AM
Side note: Why the heck did I think he was from Miami and who the heck am I thinking of !? lol

EDIT: Ken Dorsey.....man I was way off!

Texan_Bill
03-05-2007, 11:20 AM
Side note: Why the heck did I think he was from Miami and who the heck am I thinking of !? lol

LOL..... Did you have a long weekend??

Maybe you were thinking of Feeley (back in Philly now)
Huard was there before
Sage was there
Fiedler??

kcwilson
03-05-2007, 11:24 AM
Sage, BVP/Ramsey, Quinn

Ding ding ding... what does he win, Johnny?!

Sage, Ramsey and Quinn is what the actions are telling us right now. I can't imagine Plummer being in the picture for any draft pick consideration, even though he wants to play here. He just isn't worth it.

Either way it works out with Plummer, putting the screws to a potential Ramsey deal would cheapen the price for Plummer. And truth be told, I don't think there is much risk anymore in TB holding onto Plummer. I am sure if he stays retired, then they don't have to give anything up to Denver. So they have Simms, Garcia, and Plummer in an emergency should there be a significant injury to one of them.

I just worry about taking Quinn. So much expectation and the whole gripping Texan fan base will look at him and immediately say..."Now don't you go being a Carr on us!!!" He is going to get constantly bombarded with David Carr questions and comparisons to Carr after x years of development.

Ole Miss Texan
03-05-2007, 11:27 AM
LOL..... Did you have a long weekend??

Maybe you were thinking of Feeley (back in Philly now)
Huard was there before
Sage was there
Fiedler??

no it was ken dorsey....lol yes very long weekend.

thunderkyss
03-05-2007, 11:45 AM
Ding ding ding... what does he win, Johnny?!

Sage, Ramsey and Quinn is what the actions are telling us right now. I can't imagine Plummer being in the picture for any draft pick consideration, even though he wants to play here. He just isn't worth it.

Either way it works out with Plummer, putting the screws to a potential Ramsey deal would cheapen the price for Plummer. And truth be told, I don't think there is much risk anymore in TB holding onto Plummer. I am sure if he stays retired, then they don't have to give anything up to Denver. So they have Simms, Garcia, and Plummer in an emergency should there be a significant injury to one of them.

I just worry about taking Quinn. So much expectation and the whole gripping Texan fan base will look at him and immediately say..."Now don't you go being a Carr on us!!!" He is going to get constantly bombarded with David Carr questions and comparisons to Carr after x years of development.

the only monkey wrench I can see in this, is if Plummer & Kubiak thought up this "retirement" crap together. If so, it would only be right for Kubiak to do the right thing, and get Jake in Houston(from a personal stand point, I mean if you ain't got your word, what do you have??).



no it was ken dorsey....lol yes very long weekend.

You're talking about the U right?? Where Dorsey went to college. I think Texan Bill thinks you're talking about the Dolphins.

kcwilson
03-05-2007, 11:50 AM
the only monkey wrench I can see in this, is if Plummer & Kubiak thought up this "retirement" crap together. If so, it would only be right for Kubiak to do the right thing, and get Jake in Houston(from a personal stand point, I mean if you ain't got your word, what do you have??).


True. But still, If Jake got traded and it was Kubiak's idea about retirement, which I don't think it truly was, then Kubiak and Smith still have to consider the value of the pick they would have to give up. Harrington was had for a 5th rounder... that is the tops of the rung in my opinion, definitely shouldn't pay more than that... if that much.

to be honest, I don't want him here anyways. Would rather roll the dice with Sage or another veteran for a few years than give up a draft pick. He is a two year stop gap at best, so why sacrifice a pick.

tulexan
03-05-2007, 12:33 PM
Now if anyone wants to compare any incoming/current QB's to DC it's this guy. drafted out of a relatively small school, has been hit so many times that he's shell-shocked & can't concentrate down field, bad coaching/schemes that left the kid out to dry & virtually no pocket presence.

Really the only difference between both is there draft positions & mobility.


No thanks, i'll pass.

Shell shocked? He has been sacked 75 times in five seasons. Ramsey has many faults, but being shell shocked is not one of them.

thunderkyss
03-05-2007, 12:50 PM
to be honest, I don't want him here anyways. Would rather roll the dice with Sage or another veteran for a few years than give up a draft pick. He is a two year stop gap at best, so why sacrifice a pick.

I totally agree... I wish they never started this Snake in Houston "rumor" to begin with.

SESupergenius
03-05-2007, 01:00 PM
If the plan is to let Carr go and we sign Ramsey........I will not watch a single Texans football game this year.

Porky
03-05-2007, 01:48 PM
If the plan is to let Carr go and we sign Ramsey........I will not watch a single Texans football game this year.


Please Texans sign Ramsey right away! :tease:

Exithios
03-05-2007, 01:55 PM
If the plan is to let Carr go and we sign Ramsey........I will not watch a single Texans football game this year.

The Texans were one of 3 teams to attend Brady Quinn's Pro-Day. I am suspicious that Carr will be traded (I won't even try to speculate the circumstances of such a trade), Ramsey will be signed as a backup, Sage will be the starter, Quinn will be drafted by Houston at #8, and Bob's your uncle.

thunderkyss
03-05-2007, 01:57 PM
If the plan is to let Carr go and we sign Ramsey........I will not watch a single Texans football game this year.

Signing Ramsey is looking better & better every minute.

El Tejano
03-05-2007, 02:26 PM
The Texans were one of 3 teams to attend Brady Quinn's Pro-Day. I am suspicious that Carr will be traded (I won't even try to speculate the circumstances of such a trade), Ramsey will be signed as a backup, Sage will be the starter, Quinn will be drafted by Houston at #8, and Bob's your uncle.

This really does make sense. You now have a RB(s) that can carry the load of our offense. Depending on if we can get Dayne to come back that backfield can be pretty darn good and a QB like Sage just has to manage the offense which is something he is good at, and meanwhile you have Quinn learning and hopefully becoming a good Pro.

Now if you ask me, our offense depends alot on the play action. Green makes people respect that play action, but Sage runs that almost perfectly. I don't know about yall but I see the camera move with the RB and then have to fling it back over to the QB to see him running or throwing everytime Sage is in.

As for Quinn, I really hope not but if David is gone by the draft, you can't argue with the idea if they are allowing him to adjust to the game and coach him and not make the mistake they made with David.

Rightnow
03-05-2007, 02:37 PM
/slits wrist

I'll borrow that razor when you are finished.

SESupergenius
03-05-2007, 02:43 PM
Please Texans sign Ramsey right away! :tease:

Then I'd come back after the year season and roast you over a nice pitfire because Ramsey fall flat on his face.

SESupergenius
03-05-2007, 02:45 PM
Signing Ramsey is looking better & better every minute.

You can have him and your whacked out thinking to go along with it. I crack up at you. Ramsey, Ramsey, he's your man, YEEEEEEEEAAAA!!!

HuttoKarl
03-05-2007, 02:45 PM
If Ramsey could get the same 11 or so TD's that Carr's good for for far less money, and we can get a draft pick for Carr....bring Patrick in.

Kaiser Toro
03-05-2007, 02:46 PM
Then I'd come back after the year season and roast you over a nice pitfire because Ramsey fall flat on his face.

No different than Carr falling flat on his face for 7m per year and people trying to roast others due to not understanding Carr's unlimited potential.

thunderkyss
03-05-2007, 02:55 PM
If Ramsey could get the same 11 or so TD's that Carr's good for for far less money, and we can get a draft pick for Carr....bring Patrick in.

I doubt Ramsey would get the $2million bonus we gave Sage. If he can win the starting job, and only put up 10 Tds for the year, and 11 INTs, I'd say we improved.

HuttoKarl
03-05-2007, 02:58 PM
I doubt Ramsey would get the $2million bonus we gave Sage. If he can win the starting job, and only put up 10 Tds for the year, and 11 INTs, I'd say we improved.

Swap them out every other series and we're still saving money than w/ Carr.

Navy_Chris
03-05-2007, 03:00 PM
The Texans were one of 3 teams to attend Brady Quinn's Pro-Day. I am suspicious that Carr will be traded (I won't even try to speculate the circumstances of such a trade), Ramsey will be signed as a backup, Sage will be the starter, Quinn will be drafted by Houston at #8, and Bob's your uncle.

According to ESPN, representatives from all 32 teams were at Notre Dame's Pro Day. Granted, some were paying attention to McKnight, Harris, and Walker...but, just making a comment.

Lucky
03-05-2007, 03:00 PM
If the plan is to let Carr go and we sign Ramsey...
The Texans aren't going to sign Ramsey to a contract they can't terminate prior to the season. If/when Plummer comes on board, Ramsey would become trade bait.

Lucky
03-05-2007, 03:02 PM
According to ESPN, representatives from all 32 teams were at Notre Dame's Pro Day.
That's probably been the case every year Notre Dame has hosted a pro day. More players have been drafted out of Notre Dame (450) than any other school.

Exithios
03-05-2007, 03:05 PM
According to ESPN, representatives from all 32 teams were at Notre Dame's Pro Day. Granted, some were paying attention to McKnight, Harris, and Walker...but, just making a comment.

Sorry for the misinformation, and Thanks for straightening me out Chris.

QB75
03-05-2007, 03:07 PM
No different than Carr falling flat on his face for 7m per year and people trying to roast others due to not understanding Carr's unlimited potential.

Of course Ramsey's signing should be highly applauded because, according the experts on this board, anyone would be better than Carr.

TexanSam
03-05-2007, 03:16 PM
I don't think the Texans are looking to sign Ramsey as a starting QB. I think they are looking at him as a potential backup for Sage and the QB they draft (if they draft one). I'd have no problem with that.

mamoo
03-05-2007, 03:31 PM
I heard that Ramsey was offered $2.2 mill by the Broncos today. During the meeting the Texans called and said to wait and meet with them tomorrow (3/6). They also said that Ramsey would have the chance to compete for the starting job with Sage Rosenfels. No other QB was mentioned.

Mr. White
03-05-2007, 03:40 PM
I heard that Ramsey was offered $2.2 mill by the Broncos today. During the meeting the Texans called and said to wait and meet with them tomorrow (3/6). They also said that Ramsey would have the chance to compete for the starting job with Sage Rosenfels. No other QB was mentioned.

So you're saying Bradlee Van Pelt isn't gonna get a chance to compete? :brickwall

Just kidding. If that's the case, then they need to get this deal done yesterday.

HuttoKarl
03-05-2007, 03:50 PM
I heard that Ramsey was offered $2.2 mill by the Broncos today. During the meeting the Texans called and said to wait and meet with them tomorrow (3/6). They also said that Ramsey would have the chance to compete for the starting job with Sage Rosenfels. No other QB was mentioned.

You think we have some Carr deal set up for Draft Day???

GuerillaBlack
03-05-2007, 04:08 PM
Tell him to leave.

Navy_Chris
03-05-2007, 04:09 PM
You think we have some Carr deal set up for Draft Day???

hope so.

Ole Miss Texan
03-05-2007, 04:17 PM
hope so.

I say give him to oakland this year. Switch spots with them in the 2nd and ask for their 3rd rounder next year. It may be hard to get value for him next year too.

this may allow us to get Kalil at the 33rd pick to bolster our C position.

We may then either draft Quinn in 1 or Kolb/Stanton in the 3rd if either are there. might be doubtful.

If we could somehow get Landry in the 1st. The trade with oak for switching of 2nds this year and get their 3rd next year, Take Kalil in the 2nd. and if we could get Kolb in the 3rd.....

I would be fine with Sage and Ramsey as our QB's....Kolb sitting for a year or two learning the system..improving...and allowing our o-line to get better.

Sage and Ramsey just doesn't sound that good though to me to tell you the truth. It should allow us to have another high pick next year...for one of the Premier Franchise LT's or RB's maybe. Work our cap space and contracts right...we would be much improved by that point and would have a lot of cap space.

mamoo
03-05-2007, 04:18 PM
Carr is still the great unknown. The whole talk about Ramsey competing with Rosenfells could just be a negotiation tactic, though from what I've heard the Texans are normally pretty straight forward with their discussions.

QB75
03-05-2007, 04:23 PM
You think we have some Carr deal set up for Draft Day???

Hope not.

Navy_Chris
03-05-2007, 04:25 PM
I say give him to oakland this year. Switch spots with them in the 2nd and ask for their 3rd rounder next year. It may be hard to get value for him next year too.

this may allow us to get Kalil at the 33rd pick to bolster our C position.

We may then either draft Quinn in 1 or Kolb/Stanton in the 3rd if either are there. might be doubtful.

If we could somehow get Landry in the 1st. The trade with oak for switching of 2nds this year and get their 3rd next year, Take Kalil in the 2nd. and if we could get Kolb in the 3rd.....

I would be fine with Sage and Ramsey as our QB's....Kolb sitting for a year or two learning the system..improving...and allowing our o-line to get better.

Sage and Ramsey just doesn't sound that good though to me to tell you the truth. It should allow us to have another high pick next year...for one of the Premier Franchise LT's or RB's maybe. Work our cap space and contracts right...we would be much improved by that point and would have a lot of cap space.

I agree that our OL depth is seriously lacking. We need to address that ASAP.

DoCRoN
03-05-2007, 04:30 PM
I heard that Ramsey was offered $2.2 mill by the Broncos today. During the meeting the Texans called and said to wait and meet with them tomorrow (3/6). They also said that Ramsey would have the chance to compete for the starting job with Sage Rosenfels. No other QB was mentioned.


Do you have a link?

Porky
03-05-2007, 04:34 PM
Do you have a link?

Mamoo is the link. He works in/with the media somehow, and for the most part I think has been accurate enough for his words to stand on there own imo.

Navy_Chris
03-05-2007, 04:35 PM
Mamoo is the link. He works in/with the media somehow, and for the most part I think has been accurate enough for his words to stand on there own imo.

I think that starting Sage would be good for the Texans. just my opinion.

DoCRoN
03-05-2007, 04:37 PM
Mamoo is the link. He works in/with the media somehow, and for the most part I think has been accurate enough for his words to stand on there own imo.

Ah, I see. I did not know that. I'll shut up now then. :winky:

texans83
03-05-2007, 04:48 PM
I think that starting Sage would be good for the Texans. just my opinion.

NOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!! He is not a starting QB.. Man will people stop saying that he should start. seriously.

TexanFan881
03-05-2007, 04:48 PM
The Texans were one of 3 teams to attend Brady Quinn's Pro-Day. I am suspicious that Carr will be traded (I won't even try to speculate the circumstances of such a trade), Ramsey will be signed as a backup, Sage will be the starter, Quinn will be drafted by Houston at #8, and Bob's your uncle.

According to ESPN, representatives from all 32 teams were at Notre Dame's Pro Day. Granted, some were paying attention to McKnight, Harris, and Walker...but, just making a comment.

You're both right. Representatives were from all 32 teams were there but I think there were only a couple head coaches from what I've read: Romeo Crennel and Gary Kubiak.

TexanFan881
03-05-2007, 04:48 PM
NOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!! He is not a starting QB.. Man will people stop saying that he should start. seriously.

He's better than anything we've got now...

texans83
03-05-2007, 04:49 PM
You're both right. Representatives were from all 32 teams were there but I think there were only a couple head coaches from what I've read: Romeo Crennel and Gary Kubiak.

correct, I think they are going to make a strong move to try and draft Quinn and sit him fr a year untill he is ready to start.

El Amigo Invisible
03-05-2007, 04:49 PM
I have seen what this guy can do and he has not seen an O line like ours.No Thanks.

texans83
03-05-2007, 04:50 PM
You're both right. Representatives were from all 32 teams were there but I think there were only a couple head coaches from what I've read: Romeo Crennel and Gary Kubiak.

He's better than anything we've got now...

Umm I dont know they are both deff not starting Qbs. And by that I dont want either one to be our starting qb next yr.

texans83
03-05-2007, 04:51 PM
I have seen what this guy can do and he has not seen an O line like ours.No Thanks.

who are you refering too

El Amigo Invisible
03-05-2007, 04:53 PM
Patrick Ramsey

Ole Miss Texan
03-05-2007, 04:57 PM
I heard that Ramsey was offered $2.2 mill by the Broncos today. During the meeting the Texans called and said to wait and meet with them tomorrow (3/6). They also said that Ramsey would have the chance to compete for the starting job with Sage Rosenfels. No other QB was mentioned.

Is that 2.2 mill....his guaranteed money? and if so for how many years...please say more than 2!

I'm really starting to second guess my self. As much as I love mario.....and Landry....If we have Sage Rosenfels and Patrick Ramsey as our two QB's battling each other.....the year after we could have got Vince, Leinart, Cutler...or maybe quinn or russell. i'll be very worried....

after thinking about it for a while...we may have a shot at Brohm next year or even McFadden.

texans83
03-05-2007, 04:57 PM
Patrick Ramsey

oh ok sorry, yea im not to thrilled about adding him onto the roster.

El Amigo Invisible
03-05-2007, 04:58 PM
oh ok sorry, yea im not to thrilled about adding him onto the roster.

:marionaner:

TexanFan881
03-05-2007, 05:02 PM
We get Ramsey and I'll garentee you that Carr will be gone - I think Kubiak is just looking for some kind of insurance before he gets rid of him.

SamuraiSword
03-05-2007, 05:02 PM
I heard that Ramsey was offered $2.2 mill by the Broncos today. During the meeting the Texans called and said to wait and meet with them tomorrow (3/6). They also said that Ramsey would have the chance to compete for the starting job with Sage Rosenfels. No other QB was mentioned.

ahh great Kubiak thinks Shannahan sees something in this kid and wants to give him a shot now....i see a bait and trap type scenario to make us look bad again.......

ledzeppelin229
03-05-2007, 05:12 PM
The thing about Ramsey is that while he might be similar in skills, he doesn't have the fan base turned against him. That alone is worth the money. Also I think that if we sign Ramsey then it means we aren't taking a QB until the 3rd round at earliest.

Ole Miss Texan
03-05-2007, 05:18 PM
The thing about Ramsey is that while he might be similar in skills, he doesn't have the fan base turned against him. That alone is worth the money. Also I think that if we sign Ramsey then it means we aren't taking a QB until the 3rd round at earliest.

I get your point but could argue just as easily....If we sign Patrick Ramsey I definitly see us taking Qb in the 1st round. lol

CarrIsFine
03-05-2007, 05:32 PM
I agree that our OL depth is seriously lacking. We need to address that ASAP.

It should have been addressed the last five years. The guys on Fox radio were ripping the Texans today about not making the O-line a priority since their inception, that the O-line will again be sub-par, not drafting Bush or Young and cracking up that they are bringing Ramsey in. They had nothing positive to say.

dirty steve
03-05-2007, 05:36 PM
It should have been addressed the last five years. The guys on Fox radio were ripping the Texans today about not making the O-line a priority since their inception, that the O-line will again be sub-par, not drafting Bush or Young and cracking up that they are bringing Ramsey in. They had nothing positive to say.
such independent thinkers

TEXANRED
03-05-2007, 05:41 PM
such independent thinkers

Well what do you expect? Next thing you know we will bring in Shaun King.

Bringing in Ramsey after you pass on VY, Cutler, and Leinart makes you look retarded at the very least.

ledzeppelin229
03-05-2007, 05:42 PM
The Texans have tried to make it a priority in many cases. They just misfired dramatically on almost all of them. Boselli, R. Young were huge airballs. McKinney, Wiegert were serviceable when healthy but not worth their contracts. Flanagan is another guy that doesn't seem to stay healthy. They've drafted Pitts, Spencer, and Winston all on the first day of the draft. Most of the guys people were clamoring for on the OL in the draft, haven't been very good either. The only real exception there is Jamaal Brown who is lightyears ahead of Travis Johnson. Pitts has been the only guy so far that they've really hit a bullseye on - jury is still out on Spencer and Winston. I'm not even going into the second day picks.

As for Bush and Young...Does the worship of them qualify yet as heresy? It is very close. Maybe we did make a huge blunder but its not going to be clear for another year or two and its not like the Fox Sports jackasses are making profound points that we haven't heard already.

As for Ramsey, he's Carr without the disdain of the fanbase and nothing more. He makes DC expendable. Anyone that is pretending like Kubiak or Rick Smith consider Ramsey the future of the franchise is just making crap up in their head and acting like its truth. Usually I don't invent other peoples thoughts and then ridicule them for it - I would feel kind of stupid.

dirty steve
03-05-2007, 05:43 PM
Well what do you expect? Next thing you know we will bring in Shaun King.

Bringing in Ramsey after you pass on VY, Cutler, and Leinart makes you look retarded at the very least.

what i tried to say is beating the same drum over and over again gets real tiresome after awhile. along with all of the "insert washed up player" here jokes. maybe try another schtick more than once a year.

Buffi2
03-05-2007, 07:10 PM
I'm sticking this here for lack of a better spot.

Channel 13 reported tonight that the Texans called Patrick Ramsey in Denver and told him not to sign until he visited here. They also said that"... Ramsey and Rosenfels would compete for the starting job with no mention of Carr."

I couldn't find a link on the channel 13 website.

Surely they jest - Patrick Ramsey?

Insideop
03-05-2007, 09:49 PM
You're both right. Representatives were from all 32 teams were there but I think there were only a couple head coaches from what I've read: Romeo Crennel and Gary Kubiak.

Yeah, he might have been watching Quinn, but who's to say he didn't go there to look at Ryan Harris, the OT? They have definately shown interest in Harris and even interviewed him at the Combine.

I guess I'm still one of the few who believe they are not interested in drafting Quinn at the #8 spot. I just can't see the Texans spending all that money on Quinn and have him hold a clipboard for 2 years when they can do the same thing for alot less by drafting Stanton or Kolb later. JMHO!

ledzeppelin229
03-05-2007, 09:56 PM
Yeah, he might have been watching Quinn, but who's to say he didn't go there to look at Ryan Harris, the OT? They have definately shown interest in Harris and even interviewed him at the Combine.

I guess I'm still one of the few who believe they are not interested in drafting Quinn at the #8 spot. I just can't see the Texans spending all that money on Quinn and have him hold a clipboard for 2 years when they can do the same thing for alot less by drafting Stanton or Kolb later. JMHO!

Well...QBs aren't some sort of 100% guarantee investment of long term vs short term. They may think Quinn can play at the next level and that Stanton and Kolb can't. There's a reason QBs go in the first round...it doesn't always turn out to be justified but if every team could get a good QB in the mid rounds no one would be drafting them #1 overall.

thunderkyss
03-05-2007, 10:00 PM
Yeah, he might have been watching Quinn, but who's to say he didn't go there to look at Ryan Harris, the OT? They have definately shown interest in Harris and even interviewed him at the Combine.

I guess I'm still one of the few who believe they are not interested in drafting Quinn at the #8 spot. I just can't see the Texans spending all that money on Quinn and have him hold a clipboard for 2 years when they can do the same thing for alot less by drafting Stanton or Kolb later. JMHO!

They would have to look at all three, to see if they believe that it is the same thing.

You might be right, and they may think Stanton will be just as successful as Quinn at the Pro-Level. Then again, they might think Quinn is head & shoulders above all QBs in this draft.

Then again, we all might be surprised, and Quinn is taken by Oakland, and Russell falls to us.

But he's got to go see Quinn first, to be able to make that decision. Of course, he may also not see a QB in this draft worth a pick & we pick up Jared Zabransky as an undrafted Free Agent, and he takes us to the SuperBowl in '07.

Insideop
03-05-2007, 10:06 PM
They would have to look at all three, to see if they believe that it is the same thing.

You might be right, and they may think Stanton will be just as successful as Quinn at the Pro-Level. Then again, they might think Quinn is head & shoulders above all QBs in this draft.

Then again, we all might be surprised, and Quinn is taken by Oakland, and Russell falls to us.

But he's got to go see Quinn first, to be able to make that decision. Of course, he may also not see a QB in this draft worth a pick & we pick up Jared Zabransky as an undrafted Free Agent, and he takes us to the SuperBowl in '07.

You're killing me TK! lol: That's a good one!

thunderkyss
03-05-2007, 10:11 PM
http://i.a.cnn.net/si/2005/writers/stewart_mandel/08/24/mailbag/t1_zab_si.jpg

It's in the eyes.

Ole Miss Texan
03-05-2007, 10:13 PM
http://i.a.cnn.net/si/2005/writers/stewart_mandel/08/24/mailbag/t1_zab_si.jpg

It's in the eyes.

Is it just me or does his face look kinda like a young plummer's..

TwinSisters
03-05-2007, 10:21 PM
It's in the eyes.

nope.

It's on the arm. That'll earn Bob's veto.

and he looks more like this Free Agnet that hasn't retired
http://images.tsn.ca/images/stories/20060917/bledsoe_84471.jpg

HuttoKarl
03-05-2007, 10:24 PM
Is it just me or does his face look kinda like a young plummer's..

Did someone say Plummer???!!!??? We gotttttta get Zabs!!! He's awesome..did you see him beat the Sooners? That automatically makes him awesome. he won the BIG GAME!!! Quinn can't do that!!!

(yeah...I'm being a lil'bit sarcastic.) :mario: :mario: :mario:

HuttoKarl
03-05-2007, 10:24 PM
nope.

It's on the arm. That'll earn Bob's veto.

and he looks more like this Free Agnet that hasn't retired
http://images.tsn.ca/images/stories/20060917/bledsoe_84471.jpg

Why did McNair say yes to Babin then???

Ole Miss Texan
03-05-2007, 10:28 PM
nope.


http://images.tsn.ca/images/stories/20060917/bledsoe_84471.jpg

Is it just me or does he look like Dr. Cox from Scrubs?

sorry i'm being random but that's what they look like...don't they...thought so.

TwinSisters
03-05-2007, 10:28 PM
Why did McNair say yes to Babin then???

Babin is fond of longsleeves and a tie in interviews.

or

Bob got the same fuzzy tapes that Kubiak got on Carr when he was hired.

mexican_texan
03-05-2007, 10:29 PM
Is it just me or does his face look kinda like a young plummer's..
I see Rod Smith.

TwinSisters
03-05-2007, 10:33 PM
Is it just me or does he look like Dr. Cox from Scrubs?

sorry i'm being random but that's what they look like...don't they...thought so.

On Random:
what do you expect from a Patrick Ramsey thread?

On Cox:
I don't get to watch a lot of TV, but I agree. the dude from Platoon.
http://infinitecoolness.com/galleries/truthorconsequences/truthorconsequences03.jpg

Ole Miss Texan
03-05-2007, 10:35 PM
On Random:
what do you expect from a Patrick Ramsey thread?

On Cox:
I don't get to watch a lot of TV, but I agree. the dude from Platoon.
http://infinitecoolness.com/galleries/truthorconsequences/truthorconsequences03.jpg

lol yup same guy..haha

Texas_Thrill
03-05-2007, 11:42 PM
I mean what would we really be expecting from ramsey? this sounds like a play to get rid of carr and just wait until next year in getting a long term solution at qb.

kcwilson
03-05-2007, 11:46 PM
I mean what would we really be expecting from ramsey? this sounds like a play to get rid of carr and just wait until next year in getting a long term solution at qb.

Close, this sounds a lot like us taking a QB in the first few rounds in April... Kubiak was at the Brady QUinn Show today/yesterday/whenever it was. He and Romeo Crennel (Browns) were the only HC at the session.

I am not saying that we start a rookie this year, but I don't think in this process that we can afford to not have a rookie sit all this year and learn. The sooner the new blood comes in, the better.

Please_Evolve
03-05-2007, 11:56 PM
honestly the idea of Rosenfels and Ramsey battling for our QB position makes me quite ill.

I've said my feelings on Rosenfels and i don't think one good half deserves this much accolades.

Ramsey went too high to the Redskins and then runned him into the ground a bit and if the Jet's aren't much interested in him (cause i think they figured out a healthy Chad pennington is pretty good) then i don't really want a run at him either. I'd honestly rather bring in Harrington then him. Please do usa even bigger Favor Denver and sign him.

dantem
03-06-2007, 12:41 AM
I just worry about taking Quinn. So much expectation and the whole gripping Texan fan base will look at him and immediately say..."Now don't you go being a Carr on us!!!" He is going to get constantly bombarded with David Carr questions and comparisons to Carr after x years of development.

I agree, add to that the fact that he is not exactly a Vince Young calliber QB. There is a high possibility that none of the QB's in this draft will do well at all in the NFL. All of the Top QB's from last years draft where a cut above this years QB's, and they all had a pretty rough time making progress. Including VY who, while he did run quite a bit, looked pretty sloppy and out of control in the passing game.

I wouldn't expect Quinn to play well for the first couple of years (if ever). I know that sounds harsh but he wasn't great at the college level.

Carr Bombed
03-06-2007, 02:29 AM
honestly the idea of Rosenfels and Ramsey battling for our QB position makes me quite ill.

I've said my feelings on Rosenfels and i don't think one good half deserves this much accolades.

Ramsey went too high to the Redskins and then runned him into the ground a bit and if the Jet's aren't much interested in him (cause i think they figured out a healthy Chad pennington is pretty good) then i don't really want a run at him either. I'd honestly rather bring in Harrington then him. Please do usa even bigger Favor Denver and sign him.

Hell no, I watched that guy for two years up here in Detroit. He is a horrible QB and in my opinion, worse than Carr. Joey sucks, especially in the west coast offense, because he can't hit latteral moving targets. I watched this guy totally miss wide open targets down the field. (I'm talking about missing targets by like ten yards, totally throwing it behind recievers, throws that made you say "where the hell was that one going") The west coast offense is about a series of methodically moving the ball down the field, this guy can't do that. His pocket presence is worse the Carr's (yeah I know thats hard to believe, but he struggles in a different way), he feels phantom pressure like Carr and is too quick to get rid of the ball before his plays even develop, which is another reason for his horrible accuracy.

You don't replace a "Bust", by signing the guy that Busted right behind him. If this team signs Harrington I would really have to consider becoming a fan of a different team..............and thats saying ALOT.

Carr Bombed
03-06-2007, 02:41 AM
In all honesty Patrick Ramsey never got a fair shake in the NFL. He came in under Spurrier, who is a great college coach, but quite frankly didn't know what the hell he was doing. Then Ol' Steve high tailed it out of dodge and insert the old Gibbs who instantly went for a veteran in Brunnel and Ramsey has been stuck down on the depth chart ever since. For the amount of games Ramsey has played one could easily make a case he has better #s than both Carr and Harrington. I would easily rather take a guy that really never got near the chance or support of Mr #1 ovrl. or Mr #2 ovrl...........we've seen what they can do.

Ckw
03-06-2007, 02:42 AM
This would make me sick. Ramsey has been pitiful the past few years. The only quarterbacks I would even consider bringing here are Schaub (would cost too much), Garcia (already signed with TB), and Plummer (who is retired and isn't MUCH better than Carr). So why stretch and go after Ramsey? It already looks like we will have either a sub-par year at QB or:

A. Carr will turn into the QB we have all hoped for
B. Sage will be the QB we have all hoped for (another Romo)
C. Our draft pick (Kolb, Smith, Stanton, Zabransky) will have a good rookie season
D. None of the above

I wish Carr the best. All I asked from this last year was consistent mediocrity. What I got was greatness, or goodness, and then nothing but terrible play! Truly what I want is for choice A to occur. I want Carr to be fantastic. And when he starts I will root for him. But this last year really disappointed me. But Ramsey? Please, no!

Carr Bombed
03-06-2007, 03:07 AM
This would make me sick. Ramsey has been pitiful the past few years. The only quarterbacks I would even consider bringing here are Schaub (would cost too much), Garcia (already signed with TB), and Plummer (who is retired and isn't MUCH better than Carr). So why stretch and go after Ramsey? It already looks like we will have either a sub-par year at QB or:

A. Carr will turn into the QB we have all hoped for
B. Sage will be the QB we have all hoped for (another Romo)
C. Our draft pick (Kolb, Smith, Stanton, Zabransky) will have a good rookie season
D. None of the above

I wish Carr the best. All I asked from this last year was consistent mediocrity. What I got was greatness, or goodness, and then nothing but terrible play! Truly what I want is for choice A to occur. I want Carr to be fantastic. And when he starts I will root for him. But this last year really disappointed me. But Ramsey? Please, no!

They have to sign a QB

A. If they feel Carr isn't the QB and its starting to look that way........You don't keep the incumbent QB, you just don't. He'll be a gigantic albatros that will be such a obvious distraction through out the rest of the offseason.

B. If they feel Carr isn't the QB and again its starting to look that way, then they are going to have to sign another QB that has some experience to back up Sage....................you can make a case that they need to draft one, but nothing is guaranteed in the draft. Brady and Russell realistically could both be gone by the time our pick comes around and I'm pretty sure Kubiak and Smith don't want to burn a 2nd rounder on Kolb or Stanton. That leaves us hoping that one of these guys are around in the 3rd, again nothing is guaranteed in the draft.

C. Patrick Ramsey is a INSURANCE POLICY, for the reasons I just listed above. I can't stand how everybody freaks out like every FA acquisition we acquire are being acquired to be starters...........acquiring depth is just as important as acquiring starters. When Carr is gone............wheres the depth. Ramsey whether yall want to admit it or not, might still have a little potential left and I don't know how you say he's been terrible the last two years, was it the total of 26 pass attempts over the last two years, thats hardly a judging stick. I love how everybody already assumes Schaub is a starter waiting to happen, when he still has as much to prove as Ramsey......just saying.

Back on topic though, like I said more than likely he's probably nothing but a Insurance policy so we aren't held captive through the draft and he very well could be released right after the draft if a QB canadite does fall to us.....................Its a C.Y.A. signing

Ckw
03-06-2007, 03:17 AM
They have to sign a QB

A. If they feel Carr isn't the QB and its starting to look that way........You don't keep the incumbent QB, you just don't. He'll be a gigantic albatros that will be such a obvious distraction through out the rest of the offseason.

B. If they feel Carr isn't the QB and again its starting to look that way, then they are going to have to sign another QB that has some experience to back up Sage....................you can make a case that they need to draft one, but nothing is garranteed in the draft. Brady and Russell realistically could both be gone by the time our pick comes around and I'm pretty sure Kubiak and Smith don't want to burn a 2nd rounder on Kolb or Stanton. That leaves us hoping that one of these guys are around in the 3rd, again nothing is garranteed in the draft.

C. Patrick Ramsey is a INSURANCE POLICY, for the reasons I just listed above. I can't stand how everybody freaks out like every FA acquisition we acquire are being acquired to be starters...........acquiring depth is just as important as acquiring starters. When Carr is gone............wheres the depth. Ramsey whether yall want to admit it or not, might still have a little potential left and I don't know how you say he's been terrible the last two years, was it the total of 26 pass attempts over the last two years, thats hardly a judging stick. I love how everybody already assumes Shaub is a starter waiting to happen, when he still has as much to prove as Ramsey......just saying

I agree with the depth aspect of the Ramsey signing, and I am not freaking out as you imply. But I just don't see where this benefits us anymore than really going after Plummer, or having pursued Garcia a little more. Let's face the facts. We aren't going to the Super Bowl this year. So why waste money on a below average quarterback who will just manage games to help us win a few more games. Am I seeing 8-8 under Ramsey? Maybe. But we still have another year to go, so I see no logic in spending money on an average to below average quarterback like Ramsey. Let's draft a QB and see what we can get. Maybe next year something will open up. All I am asking for this year is improvement, and I don't think Ramsey can bring that anymore than Carr, Rosenfels, or a draft pick. And at least a draft pick might help us in the future. Ramsey just seems like wasted money.

Ckw
03-06-2007, 03:19 AM
In all honesty Patrick Ramsey never got a fair shake in the NFL. He came in under Spurrier, who is a great college coach, but quite frankly didn't know what the hell he was doing. Then Ol' Steve high tailed it out of dodge and insert the old Gibbs who instantly went for a veteran in Brunnel and Ramsey has been stuck down on the depth chart ever since. For the amount of games Ramsey has played one could easily make a case he has better #s than both Carr and Harrington. I would easily rather take a guy that really never got near the chance or support of Mr #1 ovrl. or Mr #2 ovrl...........we've seen what they can do.

Just read this and maybe I am wrong. Seriously, if we get Ramsey and he does well, remind me and I will be sure to send rep your way. Maybe I just haven't seen enough of Ramsey, but I haven't been impressed by the LITTLE I have seen.

Carr Bombed
03-06-2007, 03:24 AM
I agree with the depth aspect of the Ramsey signing, and I am not freaking out as you imply. But I just don't see where this benefits us anymore than really going after Plummer, or having pursued Garcia a little more. Let's face the facts. We aren't going to the Super Bowl this year. So why waste money on a below average quarterback who will just manage games to help us win a few more games. Am I seeing 8-8 under Ramsey? Maybe. But we still have another year to go, so I see no logic in spending money on an average to below average quarterback like Ramsey. Let's draft a QB and see what we can get. Maybe next year something will open up. All I am asking for this year is improvement, and I don't think Ramsey can bring that anymore than Carr, Rosenfels, or a draft pick. And at least a draft pick might help us in the future. Ramsey just seems like wasted money.

Ramsey should come cheap so money isn't a issue. FAs are signed all the time, just to be a player cut in camp. Nobody is saying this guy is going to be a starter, even if we do sign him I give him about a 10% chance of starting (not counting injury). We signed Sage last year in FA, did he start........he has a good chance this year though. This team went after Garcia, I heard he didn't want to play here. This team went after Plummer, but Denver wanted picks, I don't want to hand over picks for Plummer and I guess they didn't want to either...good. Whether we draft a QB or not we still need another one on the depth chart.

Carr Bombed
03-06-2007, 03:27 AM
Just read this and maybe I am wrong. Seriously, if we get Ramsey and he does well, remind me and I will be sure to send rep your way. Maybe I just haven't seen enough of Ramsey, but I haven't been impressed by the LITTLE I have seen.

I don't think Ramsey is going to lead us to the promise land, I just think for a "depth" signing, hes a solid signing to bring into camp. If he is starting that means things have gone terribly wrong. Sage clearly has a upper hand in the offense, its his second year in Kubes system

Ckw
03-06-2007, 03:32 AM
I don't think Ramsey is going to lead us to the promise land, I just think for a "depth" signing, hes a solid signing to bring into camp. If he is starting that means things have gone terribly wrong. Sage clearly has a upper hand in the offense, its his second year in Kubes system

Well said in both posts, my friend. I totally agree. I just don't want to stretch to sign Ramsey. We defintely don't need to pay him any more than we paid Sage (and I am too lazy to look up the figures) but well put. For depth, I am all for Ramsey. I just don't want us to stretch just because Carr has not worked out.

thunderkyss
03-06-2007, 07:50 AM
I agree with the depth aspect of the Ramsey signing, and I am not freaking out as you imply. But I just don't see where this benefits us anymore than really going after Plummer, or having pursued Garcia a little more. Let's face the facts. We aren't going to the Super Bowl this year. So why waste money on a below average quarterback who will just manage games to help us win a few more games. Am I seeing 8-8 under Ramsey? Maybe. But we still have another year to go, so I see no logic in spending money on an average to below average quarterback like Ramsey. Let's draft a QB and see what we can get. Maybe next year something will open up. All I am asking for this year is improvement, and I don't think Ramsey can bring that anymore than Carr, Rosenfels, or a draft pick. And at least a draft pick might help us in the future. Ramsey just seems like wasted money.

Sounds like you are freak'n out a bit. Or, you are thinking we should just keep David as a back-up. I'm fine with doing that, but I understand we save $5million to let him go. Ramsey will most likely get league minimum, or something very close.

Right now, our QBs, are Carr, Sage, Porter. If Carr is out of the picture, we need to replace him. We'll probably bring BVP & Ramsey into camp, to "battle" for the backup spot.

Well said in both posts, my friend. I totally agree. I just don't want to stretch to sign Ramsey. We defintely don't need to pay him any more than we paid Sage (and I am too lazy to look up the figures) but well put. For depth, I am all for Ramsey. I just don't want us to stretch just because Carr has not worked out.

I think Sage is payed pretty good. a $2million bonus, and a $2million salary(I think) which is on the high end for a back-up QB who doesn't really fit the definition of Veteran Back-up... like say a Jon Kitna or Brad Johnson.

WaywardTexanFan
03-06-2007, 08:34 AM
Patrick Ramsey maybe a Texan:crying: :gun:

Second Honeymoon
03-06-2007, 11:34 AM
You might as well let carr do it since he & Ramsey are identical & save the cap hit; you also have someone with 1 year in your system.

dude, we would save money by getting rid of Carr. We would save a little money this year and a lot of money next year. Not to mention we would get rid of that pile of crap.

Second Honeymoon
03-06-2007, 01:13 PM
If the plan is to let Carr go and we sign Ramsey........I will not watch a single Texans football game this year.

good for you. its always been obvious that you were more of a fan of Carr than the Texans anyway.

here is what i think is gonna happen (not that i agree with the moves 100%)

Ramsey brought in to compete with Sage for starting job
Quinn drafted if he is there at #8
Carr traded on draft day or cut in June

that would make any true fan of the Texans happy. We get immediate change at the QB position this year and we have a high value prospect for the future. Getting rid of Carr alone is worth 2 wins next year in locker room chemistry/leadership alone.

Kudos to Smith for looking like he is willing to make the tough decisions needed to turn things around

NFLforher
03-06-2007, 07:47 PM
Is it just me or does his face look kinda like a young plummer's..


Lol.. that's what I thought.

VaBandWaggonFan
03-06-2007, 09:08 PM
Ramsey would be a good fit here. I believe he would bring with him a quality competition for the starting QB job much like he did in NY.

Just my O.

QB75
03-06-2007, 10:03 PM
Ramsey would be a good fit here. I believe he would bring with him a quality competition for the starting QB job much like he did in NY.

Just my O.

But we don't need competition. We have Sage. :winky:

NFLforher
03-06-2007, 10:05 PM
Ramsey would be a good fit here. I believe he would bring with him a quality competition for the starting QB job much like he did in NY.

Just my O.



Competition? Wasn't he third string?

QB75
03-06-2007, 10:10 PM
Competition? Wasn't he third string?

Yes - but of course anyone is better than Carr. We've got Sage, Bradlee Van Pelt, Patrick Ramsey and probably Jake Plummer if we can talk him out of retirement.

It's almost not fair hoarding so much talent. Rick Smith has practically got GM of the Year sewn up.

:bubble:

NFLforher
03-06-2007, 10:12 PM
Yes - but of course anyone is better than Carr. We've got Sage, Bradlee Van Pelt, Patrick Ramsey and probably Jake Plummer if we can talk him out of retirement.

It's almost not fair hoarding so much talent. Rick Smith has practically got GM of the Year sewn up.

:bubble:




Lol..lol..lol...:drunk:

The Pencil Neck
03-06-2007, 11:01 PM
Yes - but of course anyone is better than Carr. We've got Sage, Bradlee Van Pelt, Patrick Ramsey and probably Jake Plummer if we can talk him out of retirement.

It's almost not fair hoarding so much talent. Rick Smith has practically got GM of the Year sewn up.

:bubble:

What does it say if Carr can't win the job from these stiffs?

Oh, that's right. We're supposed to just give the starting job to Carr without him having to earn it.

My bad.

QB75
03-06-2007, 11:05 PM
What does it say if Carr can't win the job from these stiffs?

Oh, that's right. We're supposed to just give the starting job to Carr without him having to earn it.

My bad.

No, the decision has been made. The Texans seem to find this group (stiffs, as you put it) attractive going into 2007, plus maybe a rookie. Things are definitely looking up.

SamuraiSword
03-06-2007, 11:10 PM
No, the decision has been made. The Texans seem to find this group (stiffs, as you put it) attractive going into 2007, plus maybe a rookie. Things are definitely looking up.

It doesn't matter because in the end Carr will win against all three of them..........:zzz:

NFLforher
03-06-2007, 11:13 PM
No, the decision has been made. The Texans seem to find this group (stiffs, as you put it) attractive going into 2007, plus maybe a rookie. Things are definitely looking up.


Are you sure the decision has been made?

NFLforher
03-06-2007, 11:14 PM
It doesn't matter because in the end Carr will win against all three of them..........:zzz:


Yes. What will they say then?

powerfuldragon
03-06-2007, 11:21 PM
It's almost not fair hoarding so much talent. Rick Smith has practically got GM of the Year sewn up.

:bubble:

it's not his fault that the bucs decided to hoard every qb in the league.

Alpha-Male
03-07-2007, 09:16 AM
I don't necessarily see PR visiting as a bad thing. I've seen him play for the 'Skins under Spurrier. Ths kid has a GUN for an arm. As somebody here mentioned though, he was absolutely BATTERED under Spurriers system. Spurrier would predictably send his slow receivers deep on every pass play and PR would have to hold on to the ball way too long. He is actually a very servicable professional QB, no star, but definitively servicable.:bigboss:

Vinny
03-07-2007, 09:19 AM
Yes. What will they say then?It's about time he lived up to his billing is what most of us will say. I don't think many of us wish him ill on his next job...just a handful of haters who are frustrated with the excuses.

Carr Bombed
03-07-2007, 09:33 AM
I don't necessarily see PR visiting as a bad thing. I've seen him play for the 'Skins under Spurrier. Ths kid has a GUN for an arm. As somebody here mentioned though, he was absolutely BATTERED under Spurriers system. Spurrier would predictably send his slow receivers deep on every pass play and PR would have to hold on to the ball way too long. He is actually a very servicable professional QB, no star, but definitively servicable.:bigboss:

Don't bother posting anything that has anything to do with good sense. I've already pulled up Ramsey's "starting stats" which are better than Carr's.

http://forums.houstontexans.com/showthread.php?p=617168#post617168

In 75 games started Carr has 59 TDs to 65 INTS
In 24 games started (and another 8 to 9 games of very limited action) Ramsey has 35 TDs to 29 INTS

Ramsey never got the support from his coach like Carr did and then Gibbs came in and benched him after the first week WHEN RAMSEY WON THE GAME, because Gibbs was a old school coach and would rather play a washed up QB, then develop a guy. It wasn't until this year that he finally went with Campbell.

These guys just want to act like Carr (a guy whos started almost every game for 5 years) is SO MUCH BETTER than anything else out there. I mean those two TDs in his last 10 games were the most beautiful passes ever caught on tape, they were instantly sealed in the NFL Films HOF vault to make sure they will be preserved for generations to come.

They also don't remember how inept Spurrier's system truly was. (its refreshing to find another poster who does) The guy brought college ball to the NFL and just like every college coach that tried that crap before, he failed.

TwinSisters
03-07-2007, 09:58 AM
In Gibbs' defense, he had to win today not tomorrow.

Tayton
03-07-2007, 10:05 AM
I will not at all be excited to sign Pat Ramsey. Personal opinion, if we sign Ramsey, we are drafting Brady Quinn.

Carr Bombed
03-07-2007, 10:06 AM
I will not at all be excited to sign Pat Ramsey. Personal opinion, if we sign Ramsey, we are drafting Brady Quinn.

We are drafting a QB regardless if we sign Ramsey or not.

Arky
03-08-2007, 01:39 AM
The Big Story:

Ramsey agrees to deal with Broncos

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/fb/texansfront/4611173.html