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johndoe
03-04-2007, 06:07 PM
just saw on nfl network texans agree to terms with ahmad green... sorry if allready posted

BleedTheBurntOrange
03-04-2007, 06:08 PM
awesome hope he has some left in the tank

The Dude Abides
03-04-2007, 06:08 PM
http://www.nfl.com/nflnetwork/story/10033511

Linkage.

potisyourfriend
03-04-2007, 06:08 PM
WOOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! May be old but it's sure as hell better than Lundy/Dayne

Bye-Bye Williams

TexanBorn51
03-04-2007, 06:09 PM
Is this final and what do you think my fellow Texans...

281
03-04-2007, 06:10 PM
i like the signing... hopefully he can stay healthy. if he runs anywhere near the way he did in '04, then we got a real gem.

Reddevil63
03-04-2007, 06:11 PM
Good deal, hopefully he can stay healthy and it is pretty much the writing on the wall for Dominick


--on a side note, almost $50 million for Leonard Davis??? bwahahaha good ole Cowgirls

TexanSam
03-04-2007, 06:12 PM
Awesome. Not a great running back anymore but I think he can still be a quality one. Dayne/Taylor should be good backups as well I think.

mexican_texan
03-04-2007, 06:12 PM
I'll have an opinion when I see the value of the contract.

TexanFan881
03-04-2007, 06:12 PM
Sweet :redtowel:

Imatexanfan
03-04-2007, 06:13 PM
Really well awesome welcome AG hope your a good piece to our many needs.:yes:

ThaShark316
03-04-2007, 06:13 PM
Hmmm...i'll take it...even tho he fumbles alot....but hey, if AD is there at 8, do we still grab him?

TexansLucky13
03-04-2007, 06:13 PM
Yay! I am happy for him to be a Texan but I am more happy that the FO is actually doing something.....

Errant Hothy
03-04-2007, 06:13 PM
Big question now i show much $$ and how is the contract structured.

And what does this do to drafting a RB?

Texans Pride
03-04-2007, 06:14 PM
ALRIGHT! WE FINALLY GOT SOMEONE!

WELCOME MR. GREEN!!! :texan:

keyfro
03-04-2007, 06:14 PM
good deal...i think he's a guy who at the very least can teach some of our younger RB's how to be a pro back in this league...there is something to say about the leadership of a veteran player like green...he knows his days of being "the guy" are over...as he mentioned in his interview posted on the texans main webpage he can be a guy in the running game...you add him with taylor, gado, and lundy...possibly williams and dayne and this makes for a good competitive training camp battle for the top 3 runningbacks on this team...it also allows us to focus on other positions in the draft...obviously the team knows that adrain is not falling to the 8th spot...they probably don't want to go into the draft needing to draft marshawn lynch...so now they can go into the draft thinking we still need a #2 WR (ginn jr.), a FS (landry), etc and focus on getting this team better

Reddevil63
03-04-2007, 06:14 PM
Hmmm...i'll take it...even tho he fumbles alot....but hey, if AD is there at 8, do we still grab him?
Somebody would be willing to give up an awful lot to move up and grab him if we don't take him

Wolf
03-04-2007, 06:14 PM
Hmmm...i'll take it...even tho he fumbles alot....but hey, if AD is there at 8, do we still grab him?
I think so (or hope so if he is there at #8)

dirty steve
03-04-2007, 06:15 PM
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/fb/texansfront/4601378.html

The Texans have reached an agreement with their first free agent Green Bay running back Ahmad Green.

Green, 30, is signing a four-year contract worth $22 million, including $6.5 million in guarantees.

Green has been one of the most productive running backs in the NFL for the past seven years.
The former Nebraska running back enjoyed his five best seasons (2000-2004) when Mike Sherman was the Packers head coach. During that period, he never rushed for fewer than 1,163 yards. HIs best season was 2003 when he rushed 1,883 yards and scored 20 touchdowns.
Green immediately becomes the starter, from a group that includes Wally Lundy, Chris Taylor and Samkon Gado
The Texans are trying to resign Ron Dayne.
Green, a no 1. pick by Seattle in 1998, is a ten-year veteran, who rushed for 1,059 yards and scored six touchdowns last season.

Honoring Earl 34
03-04-2007, 06:16 PM
Big question now i show much $$ and how is the contract structured.

And what does this do to drafting a RB?

Well it says we're not trading up and that they don't expect Peterson there at #8 .

kastofsna
03-04-2007, 06:16 PM
very good signing. solid veteran who can really surprise people. 1000-yard potential. and if you get adrian peterson somehow....that's a backfield to fear.

HoustonFrog
03-04-2007, 06:16 PM
I'm seeing the same thing on NFL but no terms announced.

TD
03-04-2007, 06:17 PM
I dunno the value of a 30 year old running back. IMO, we overpaid.

johndoe
03-04-2007, 06:18 PM
hopefully he has another thousand yard season left in him:marionaner:

LORK 88
03-04-2007, 06:19 PM
All I know is that its a step in the right direction and A LOT better than everyone we had last year! :yahoo:

dalemurphy
03-04-2007, 06:19 PM
I dunno the value of a 30 year old running back. IMO, we overpaid.

6.5 million guaranteed is not much, IMO... If we dump him after 2 seasons, he will only count 3.25 million against the cap in 2009... Especially in this year's market, I think we did well if that number is right.

The Dude Abides
03-04-2007, 06:20 PM
I think our backfield next season will be Green, Taylor and someone else. Either Lundy or Dayne if he isnt asking for too much.

Hottoddie
03-04-2007, 06:21 PM
Hmmm...i'll take it...even tho he fumbles alot....but hey, if AD is there at 8, do we still grab him?

37 fumbles over 9 years & 2,284 touches (rushing, receiving, & kick returns) is not what I consider fumbling a lot.

johndoe
03-04-2007, 06:21 PM
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/fb/texansfront/4601378.html

The Texans have reached an agreement with their first free agent Green Bay running back Ahmad Green.

Green, 30, is signing a four-year contract worth $22 million, including $6.5 million in guarantees.

Green has been one of the most productive running backs in the NFL for the past seven years.
The former Nebraska running back enjoyed his five best seasons (2000-2004) when Mike Sherman was the Packers head coach. During that period, he never rushed for fewer than 1,163 yards. HIs best season was 2003 when he rushed 1,883 yards and scored 20 touchdowns.
Green immediately becomes the starter, from a group that includes Wally Lundy, Chris Taylor and Samkon Gado
The Texans are trying to resign Ron Dayne.
Green, a no 1. pick by Seattle in 1998, is a ten-year veteran, who rushed for 1,059 yards and scored six touchdowns last season.

what??? 4 years??? u gotta be kidding me

keyfro
03-04-2007, 06:21 PM
you have to figure this guy's best quality will be his ability to pass protect for the QB in the 3rd down situations...unlike a lot of the backs we had last year not one of them was an everydown player...green is...with DW status in serious question this was a good signing...and you're right...there is no way he sees all of this contract like every other player...but with the everything that's in place here this was a good way to start the offseason

Vinny
03-04-2007, 06:22 PM
huge score. I'm officially excited.

dalemurphy
03-04-2007, 06:22 PM
hopefully he has another thousand yard season left in him:marionaner:

My guess is that they see him as a 200 carry back at this point in his career. I expect him to average about 15 carries a game, come out of the game on short yardage, and also the occasional series in order to get one of the younger guys some work. At that pace, I expect to get 2 very good years out of him.

Nawzer
03-04-2007, 06:22 PM
Good solid signing. If he can stay healthy we should have an above average running game. I would've prefered Travis Henry but I'm not going to complain to much. Hopefully Green will bring some continuity, some big play ability with him. As we all know that this offense needs to have a good running game in order for all the passing stuff to work. Specially the play action bootleg plays.

dalemurphy
03-04-2007, 06:25 PM
what??? 4 years??? u gotta be kidding me

It's four years in order to spread out the signing bonus cap hit. Nobody expects him to fulfill all four years- we're looking at 2, possibly 3, depending on how the salary escalates in the third year.

the important number is this: if we cut him after year 2 his cap hit is : 3.25m;
if we cut him after year 4 his cap hit is : 1.6million


Pretty darn good!

After all, the Cowboys just signed Leonard Davis to a $50 million contract with about $20 million guaranteed! Ridiculous!

kastofsna
03-04-2007, 06:25 PM
what??? 4 years??? u gotta be kidding me
that's a good thing..

ThaShark316
03-04-2007, 06:26 PM
37 fumbles over 9 years & 2,284 touches (rushing, receiving, & kick returns) is not what I consider fumbling a lot.

Good point....

6.5 guaranteed....i'll take it...better than what we gave past FAs.

HoustonFrog
03-04-2007, 06:26 PM
Good solid signing. If he can stay healthy we should have an above average running game. I would've prefered Travis Henry but I'm not going to complain to much. Hopefully Green will bring some continuity, some big play ability with him. As we all know that this offense needs to have a good running game in order for all the passing stuff to work. Specially the play action bootleg plays.


I agree. Despite some injuries I think he still has alot left in the tank and considering he hasn't been completely full time the last couple of years with the injuries, etc I think he has some good years left. I mean I thought an injury waiting to happen like Fred Taylor was done a couple of years back and he has still surprised.

dtran04
03-04-2007, 06:27 PM
Looks like a very reasonable contract considering the market. Kudos to the front office.

kiwitexansfan
03-04-2007, 06:28 PM
I like the contract, it reeks of common sense.

The signing itself, that I am not so sure of. If it means we aren't thinking of taking AD and will solidify other areas of the team, that I can live with.

TEXANRED
03-04-2007, 06:29 PM
This is great news, puts the pressure of needing to draft a RB off a little bit.

Now we need to concentrate on building our lines.

PapaL
03-04-2007, 06:29 PM
To me, this means we will NOT be drafting an RB in the 1st round regardless if AP is on the board or not. 2nd round and beyond is a possibility; i.e. M.Bush in the second would be my choice. We have some very good options for that #8 pick.

Charter PSL Fan
03-04-2007, 06:30 PM
Very high mileage running back.

johndoe
03-04-2007, 06:31 PM
It's four years in order to spread out the signing bonus cap hit. Nobody expects him to fulfill all four years- we're looking at 2, possibly 3, depending on how the salary escalates in the third year.

the important number is this: if we cut him after year 2 his cap hit is : 3.25m;
if we cut him after year 4 his cap hit is : 1.6million


Pretty darn good!

After all, the Cowboys just signed Leonard Davis to a $50 million contract with about $20 million guaranteed! Ridiculous!

allright making sence... so im guessing this we wont be drafting a running back so maybe we can focus on finding moulds replacement... how far under the cap does this signing put us

GuerillaBlack
03-04-2007, 06:32 PM
6.5 million guaranteed is not much, IMO... If we dump him after 2 seasons, he will only count 3.25 million against the cap in 2009... Especially in this year's market, I think we did well if that number is right.

Good move by the Texans. I agree, not that much money. Contract terms look about right. Hopefully he has some gas left in the tank. 30 is almost elderly for running backs.

HoustonFrog
03-04-2007, 06:32 PM
To me, this means we will NOT be drafting an RB in the 1st round regardless if AP is on the board or not. 2nd round and beyond is a possibility; i.e. M.Bush in the second would be my choice. We have some very good options for that #8 pick.

I still think if he(AP) is there you take him and set up a situation like N.O. where you have the old and youing still splitting and going strong. But it definitely opens up the possibilities.

Lucky
03-04-2007, 06:33 PM
From Y2K thru '04, Green averaged a 20 yard+ rush every 30 carries. In the past 2 seasons, Green has had a 20 yard+ run every 114th attempt. Will Ahman put the big play into the Texans rushing attack? Depends on which Ahman shows up. One consistent part of Green's game is that he's always been a productive receiver out of the backfield.

ThaShark316
03-04-2007, 06:34 PM
That's why i like it...its basically cheap...especially if homie plays 2 to 3 years here.

dalemurphy
03-04-2007, 06:35 PM
From Y2K thru '04, Green averaged a 20 yard+ rush every 30 carries. In the past 2 seasons, Green has had a 20 yard+ run every 114th attempt. Will Ahman put the big play into the Texans rushing attack? Depends on which Ahman shows up. One consistent part of Green's game is that he's always been a productive receiver out of the backfield.


I don't doubt that Green is not what he was 3 years ago, but there is another factor that impacted those numbers. After the '04 season, GB lost most of their starting OL. It went from being one of the best in the NFL, to being one of the worst in '05. That probably had something to do with his limited production as well as mileage on his body.

PapaL
03-04-2007, 06:35 PM
RBBC. Lets get the young guy to go with him and everything will be OK.

BleedTheBurntOrange
03-04-2007, 06:37 PM
So after this signing does this change your opinions of who we take with the 8th pick?

TexanRoadrunner
03-04-2007, 06:39 PM
Great signing...low risk.

He can catch balls outta the backfield. If AP is there at 8 you still have to take him, but RB isn't as pressing a need now.

Lucky
03-04-2007, 06:40 PM
Just in case Carr returns:
Props to you for being the first to bring Carr's name up in the discussion. How unexpected.

Wolf
03-04-2007, 06:40 PM
Great signing...low risk.

He can catch balls outta the backfield. If AP is there at 8 you still have to take him, but RB isn't as pressing a need now.


agreed, because I don't expect us to be drafting that high (#8) next season

kbourda
03-04-2007, 06:41 PM
So after this signing does this change your opinions of who we take with the 8th pick?

If AP is there (which is a huge reach) you still grab him. But Landry has to be the pick at #8 now.

ThaShark316
03-04-2007, 06:41 PM
So after this signing does this change your opinions of who we take with the 8th pick?

If AD is there at 8, we get him I think, but I think the RB we draft is coming in round 2 or 3.

nunusguy
03-04-2007, 06:41 PM
Since the Texans obviously felt they needed a better playmaker at RB,
I'm glad they went this way instead of using their #1 Draft pick on a back
which is now almost certainly not going to happen.
The Denver South philosophy about backs is alive and well.

aj.
03-04-2007, 06:43 PM
6.5 million in guarantees

I'm good with this.

Two productive years and he will match the value of the contract. Just stay healthy.

beerlover
03-04-2007, 06:44 PM
why is it the Texans only go after Denver/Green Bay players? is it familarity & knowing they're undervalued/appreciated?

makes me think Plummer is next? make that a conditional 2008 draft pick :winky:

Silver Oak
03-04-2007, 06:44 PM
Mike Sherman obviously feels Green has some years left in him still, so that probably played a large part in this.

Go Texans!

HoustonFrog
03-04-2007, 06:45 PM
So after this signing does this change your opinions of who we take with the 8th pick?

As I said above I think that you can still grab AP, if there, and play it like N.O. did but overall it gives you choices.

TEXANRED
03-04-2007, 06:47 PM
Just in case Carr returns:

First to blame Ahman Green for the offensive woes and ANOTHER losing season. It couldn't possibly be Carr's fault there is no passing game other than dink and dunk.

On the other hand. If this team wakes up and throws Carr where he belong: IN THE GARBAGE CAN, then here we go!!!!!

Why are you trying to turn this into a Carr thread. The new LODO1 is the same as the old. Where is that neg rep button when you need one?

QB75
03-04-2007, 06:50 PM
Well it says we're not trading up and that they don't expect Peterson there at #8 .

Well, nothing like just settling for what you can get.

Keldar
03-04-2007, 06:50 PM
Not Good.

Another Green Bay "has been" in my opinion. Definitely on the downhill side of good.:cry2:

Big J
03-04-2007, 06:51 PM
I really like the signing. He gives some credibility to our backfield.

The main question I have is what do we do for the draft? Making the assumption that AP is gone (likely) and the pick roles around to Minn. at 7, dont you think a trade to someone like Atlanta who desperately needs a playmaker in the secondary (LaRon Landy) is likely? Unless they really want Brady Quinn, Branch, or Okeye....the rest of the reciever class is a big reach at 7.

I am worried that we will miss out on Landry and be stuck taking Levi Brown (a reach), Branch, or Okeye (I wouldnt be to upset).

Texian
03-04-2007, 06:52 PM
30 yr old RB, 9 years in the league, high mileage, backside of his career, numbers slipping, this doesn't do a lot for me in building confidence in the FO. It appears as a stop gap band aid. I would have rather spent that $6 million on the line and a player who would be around for the length of a 4 yr contract. Green's 4.0 ypc last yr isn't much better than what Texans had last yr.

HuttoKarl
03-04-2007, 06:52 PM
Between Green, Lundy, Gado and Taylor, we should be able to run the ball well. Nice signing. He brings a great attitude to the backfield.

Hervoyel
03-04-2007, 06:52 PM
Is this final and what do you think my fellow Texans...

I think it's an enormous mistake and I'll be here at the end of the year to harp on it until I'm on every ignore list on this board.

Anyone who thinks signing Green is an upgrade over Ron Dayne is on crack IMO.

TexansLucky13
03-04-2007, 06:54 PM
I think it's an enormous mistake and I'll be here at the end of the year to harp on it until I'm on every ignore list on this board.

Anyone who thinks signing Green is an upgrade over Ron Dayne is on crack IMO.

:horn:

Hervoyel hath spoketh!!

johndoe
03-04-2007, 06:56 PM
i like the idea of cris taylor and lundy playing with ahmad green. they should be able to learn alot from playing with someone who has had that kind of success in the league. this upgrades all the RBs imo:marionaner:

Hervoyel
03-04-2007, 06:57 PM
hopefully he has another thousand yard season left in him:marionaner:

For that price you're only hoping for one?

This was 2007's "Eric Moulds signing" and nothing more.

Vinny
03-04-2007, 06:57 PM
Anyone who thinks signing Green is an upgrade over Ron Dayne is on crack IMO.
:banme

TEXANRED
03-04-2007, 06:57 PM
I think it's an enormous mistake and I'll be here at the end of the year to harp on it until I'm on every ignore list on this board.

Anyone who thinks signing Green is an upgrade over Ron Dayne is on crack IMO.

So you would take Dayne's 671 yards over Green's 1000+? If we had one dependable back like Green last year we might have won a few more games

RTP2110
03-04-2007, 06:58 PM
Yea I like this signing. If Dayne can have a resurgance here, why can't Green? Green was a way better back than Dayne ever was.

PapaL
03-04-2007, 06:58 PM
30 yr old RB, 9 years in the league, high mileage, backside of his career, numbers slipping, this doesn't do a lot for me in building confidence in the FO. It appears as a stop gap band aid. I would have rather spent that $6 million on the line and a player who would be around for the length of a 4 yr contract. Green's 4.0 ypc last yr isn't much better than what Texans had last yr.

Which player would fit those credentials you just offered?

PapaL
03-04-2007, 06:59 PM
I think it's an enormous mistake and I'll be here at the end of the year to harp on it until I'm on every ignore list on this board.

Anyone who thinks signing Green is an upgrade over Ron Dayne is on crack IMO.

I would like an "On Crack" smiley.

David's Busted Carr
03-04-2007, 07:00 PM
Figures. He's our typical free agent signee.

Ties to old coaches who live in the past - check.
Past his prime - check.
Injury prone - check.
Overpaid - check.

So now we have 2/3 of Green Bay's 2005 backfield with Green and Gado.

And I guess this means we have no intention of drafting Adrian Peterson.

Fantastic....

Navy_Chris
03-04-2007, 07:01 PM
just saw on nfl network texans agree to terms with ahmad green... sorry if allready posted

Why do the Texans want another RB with injury problems? The Chronicle was all giddy about the fact that he's rushed for over 1,000 yards for 6 of the last 7 seasons. The significance of that would be....what, exactly?????

Rushing for 1,000 yards a season in today's game means very little. Edge rushed for 1,200 or so behind Arizona's crappy line last season. Add that to the fact that Ahman's gonna be on IR by Week 7, I'm very underwhelmed by this signing.

ArlingtonTexan
03-04-2007, 07:02 PM
As I said above I think that you can still grab AP, if there, and play it like N.O. did but overall it gives you choices.

This is accurate. The Texans are not in the "have to" draft a RB mode, but that contract nor Green is not enough for them to pass on a value selection at RB.

TexanSam
03-04-2007, 07:04 PM
I think it's an enormous mistake and I'll be here at the end of the year to harp on it until I'm on every ignore list on this board.

Anyone who thinks signing Green is an upgrade over Ron Dayne is on crack IMO.

Ron Dayne, in his 8 seasons, has never had a 1000 yard season. In his 8 seasons, he's never even come close to having one good year. Last year he had a good stretch of 4 games then he got hurt in pre-game warmups the last week of the season. Also, as good as he looked late last season, not once did he run for over 20 yards and he was not much of a recieving threat from the backfield.

Last season, in his 9th year in the league, Green rushed for over 1000 yards in 14 games. Not great, but not awful. He only ran for over 20 yards three times, but that is three more than Dayne did. Green was also more of a threat in catching the ball, with 46 receptions and over 300 yards recieving. He's also had success in the league unlike Dayne. So to say Green isn't upgrade over Dayne is probably wrong. At the very least, you should provide some sort of examples as to why you think Green isn't better than Dayne.

The Pencil Neck
03-04-2007, 07:05 PM
I'm hesitantly hopeful on this signing. He's been a good back but... damn... he's old. It's so rare for a guy to continue to perform after 30 and with his recent injuries, his past few years haven't been that great.

The whole Green Bay connection worries me. But I like the fact that he interviewed with us and then cancelled the rest of his interviews.

I'm not going to go all Hervoyel on him. I'm going to take a wait and see attitude.

aj.
03-04-2007, 07:06 PM
So you would take Dayne's 671 yards over Green's 1000+? If we had one dependable back like Green last year we might have won a few more games

Don't forget AG's 46 receptions for 373 yards.

MATRIX
03-04-2007, 07:06 PM
I'll have an opinion when I see the value of the contract.


I agree...but also what he can do come pre-season and regular season.

But, now GET RID OF DW/DD...for god sake he signed that big extension 2yrs ago...get rid of him. Free up some more money.

beerlover
03-04-2007, 07:07 PM
30 yr old RB, 9 years in the league, high mileage, backside of his career, numbers slipping, this doesn't do a lot for me in building confidence in the FO. It appears as a stop gap band aid. I would have rather spent that $6 million on the line and a player who would be around for the length of a 4 yr contract. Green's 4.0 ypc last yr isn't much better than what Texans had last yr.

this free agent market is crazy, teams throwing around ridiculous jack. a guard like your talking about is going for 50 million, which would not be worth the price & another reason the Texans need to pick offensive lineman via the draft. I'll take two again please.......:winky:

TexanSam
03-04-2007, 07:07 PM
Why do the Texans want another RB with injury problems? The Chronicle was all giddy about the fact that he's rushed for over 1,000 yards for 6 of the last 7 seasons. The significance of that would be....what, exactly?????

Rushing for 1,000 yards a season in today's game means very little. Edge rushed for 1,200 or so behind Arizona's crappy line last season. Add that to the fact that Ahman's gonna be on IR by Week 7, I'm very underwhelmed by this signing.

Green was hurt for almost all of 2005 yet missed only 2 games in 2006 (4th and 5th game of the season). Explain how he's injury prone.

And James had about 70 more rushing attempts than Green had. He also had a significantly lower YPC than Green did as well.

aj.
03-04-2007, 07:10 PM
Add that to the fact that Ahman's gonna be on IR by Week 7...

So if I keep my portfolio at a 70% mix of growth and value stocks I'll be okay this year?

MATRIX
03-04-2007, 07:11 PM
Here is the contract value.(sorry if reposted)

From: NFL.com

Running back Ahman Green reached agreement on a contract with the Houston Texans. The deal is for $23 million for four years, including $6.5 million guaranteed.

Errant Hothy
03-04-2007, 07:12 PM
And I guess this means we have no intention of drafting Adrian Peterson.

Fantastic....

Take a hit form teh reality bong, there is no way AP lasts to the 8th pick; and if by some miracle he does the Green signing will not stop us form drafting AP.

Navy_Chris
03-04-2007, 07:15 PM
Green was hurt for almost all of 2005 yet missed only 2 games in 2006 (4th and 5th game of the season). Explain how he's injury prone.

And James had about 70 more rushing attempts than Green had. He also had a significantly lower YPC than Green did as well.

Why do people insist on using stats as the sole basis for their arguments?

Hervoyel
03-04-2007, 07:16 PM
So you would take Dayne's 671 yards over Green's 1000+? If we had one dependable back like Green last year we might have won a few more games

Green: 266 attempts, 1059 yards, 14 starts, 4.0 per carry
Dayne: 151 attempts, 612 yards, 6 starts, 4.1 per carry

Dayne's stats there are very deceptive. He got here without going to camp with us (or anybody really since he sat out with turf toe in Denver) and in his first 8 games was only marginally effective. When he got healthy late in the year he went on a tear and averaged almost a yard more per carry than Green. Dayne is an 8 year vet with very low miles on him while Green is a 10 year vet with a history of injuries.

This signing is a waste of money that's going to come back to haunt the Texans when they stare at the dead money left from their 1 year running back. This entire FA period is some lame Toro muffins IMO.

TexanSam
03-04-2007, 07:17 PM
Why do people insist on using stats as the sole basis for their arguments?

Unless you have anything to back up your side of the argument it's all we got.

Navy_Chris
03-04-2007, 07:18 PM
So if I keep my portfolio at a 70% mix of growth and value stocks I'll be okay this year?

We could have gotten the amount of production out of Taylor and Lundy that we're going to get out of Ahman Green. Just watch.

On another note, Rick Smith has to be worried about our horrible cap situation we're in offseason after offseason. The wise thing would be not to worry about QB or RB this offseason and simply focus on the offensive line. We can have as many RBs and WRs and QBs as we want to, but if we don't have a solid line it's not really going to matter much, now is it? Why can't the Texans FO get that through their heads?

aj.
03-04-2007, 07:19 PM
I'm hesitantly hopeful on this signing. He's been a good back but... damn... he's old.

He's the same age as Shaun Alexander.

Mr. White
03-04-2007, 07:19 PM
He's been one of my favorite RB's since he came into the league. Hopefully he can still rack up some yards down here.

Navy_Chris
03-04-2007, 07:19 PM
Unless you have anything to back up your side of the argument it's all we got.

Just look at the guy play in years past. Even when he's not injured, I'm not impressed to the tune of $23M with 6.5 guaranteed! 1,000 yards is so easy to come by for even the most average of RBs in the league. No need to pay $23M for it.

STEEL BLUE TEXANS
03-04-2007, 07:21 PM
1,000 yards is so easy to come by that none of our RBs came close to that mark last season.

RT2
03-04-2007, 07:22 PM
Do we cut DW or trade him some how?

Navy_Chris
03-04-2007, 07:24 PM
1,000 yards is so easy to come by that none of our RBs came close to that mark last season.

Because Gary was experimenting with different combinations throughout the season. None of them had a chance to. Plus, take a peek at those 5 guys in front of them next time you watch a game. Not exactly poetry in motion.

PapaL
03-04-2007, 07:26 PM
Do we cut DW or trade him some how?

Cut or retire. No one is going to trade for a guy missing part(s) of his knee(s).

TheRealJoker
03-04-2007, 07:28 PM
I like this signing. Im thinking Green will be getting 65-70 % of the carries and a good chunk of passes. Sure, I would've preferred Henry since he has a little less miles on him but in no way am I upset by this signing. Excellent way to start FA :marionaner:

Marcus
03-04-2007, 07:29 PM
Do we cut DW or trade him some how?

Trade a running back that's never going to play again? lol:

If Smith could pull that off, then he WILL be good!

PapaL
03-04-2007, 07:29 PM
Because Gary was experimenting with different combinations throughout the season. None of them had a chance to. Plus, take a peek at those 5 guys in front of them next time you watch a game. Not exactly poetry in motion.

When none of them step up and take the starting position, thats the players fault. If one of them steps up and the coaches keep "experimenting" thats the coached fault. Which did we have? Hmmm....

Navy_Chris
03-04-2007, 07:29 PM
I like this signing. Im thinking Green will be getting 65-70 % of the carries and a good chunk of passes. Sure, I would've preferred Henry since he has a little less miles on him but in no way am I upset by this signing. Excellent way to start FA :marionaner:

Is your name Rick Smith?

HoustonFrog
03-04-2007, 07:29 PM
1,000 yards is so easy to come by that none of our RBs came close to that mark last season.

I will agree with this...1000 yards in no longer that big a benchmark. 62.5 yards a game doesn't excite me. I still think he has some game left though. I'm just not going to go overboard and say it is a great signing. I do like his team attitude and that he is a vet that has been in the trenches.

Reddevil63
03-04-2007, 07:29 PM
Sooooo who has already traded for AG in Madden? Come on, be honest :tease:

Navy_Chris
03-04-2007, 07:30 PM
When none of them step up and take the starting position, thats the players fault. If one of them steps up and the coaches keep "experimenting" thats the coached fault. Which did we have? Hmmm....

Taylor rushed for 99 yards on 20 carries and a TD. Granted, it was against Cleveland...but how can you not give that guy another look?

bckey
03-04-2007, 07:30 PM
Just look at the guy play in years past. Even when he's not injured, I'm not impressed to the tune of $23M with 6.5 guaranteed! 1,000 yards is so easy to come by for even the most average of RBs in the league. No need to pay $23M for it.



I agree. This is a stupid signing. The Texans need to quit wasting money on Denver and Green Bay throw aways. We have a lot more positions of greater need than rb so why waste cap space on someone who is not the answer at a position that is not one of our biggest needs. I'd rather the Texans not sign anybody in free agency than for them to keep wasting cap room on old players. Sorry but 30 years old is old for a running back in the NFL. Great for an OL or QB but not for a rb. There are exceptions but why even chance it. We are hurting for cap space as it is.

RTP2110
03-04-2007, 07:33 PM
I don't understand why people are upset over the contract. 6.5 mil over 4 years doesn't sound too bad, IMO.

Navy_Chris
03-04-2007, 07:34 PM
I agree. This is a stupid signing. The Texans need to quit wasting money on Denver and Green Bay throw aways. We have a lot more positions of greater need than rb so why waste cap space on someone who is not the answer at a position that is not one of our biggest needs. I'd rather the Texans not sign anybody in free agency than for them to keep wasting cap room on old players. Sorry but 30 years old is old for a running back in the NFL. Great for an OL or QB but not for a rb. There are exceptions but why even chance it. We are hurting for cap space as it is.

Finally, another voice of reason. In Kubiak's system, if you have a good OL it doesn't matter who your RB is, in my opinion. If holes are there, Chris Taylor could run through them to the tune or 1200 or so yards. Wasted Money!!!!!

Mr. White
03-04-2007, 07:34 PM
Ahman Green, throwaway RB > Any other RB currently on the roster

PapaL
03-04-2007, 07:34 PM
Taylor rushed for 99 yards on 20 carries and a TD. Granted, it was against Cleveland...but how can you not give that guy another look?

That was the last game of the season. When are they suppose to look at him? All year long when he was on PS maybe? He'll get his chance to show what he has this pre-season (again) and possibly share the load.

How many PS guys have amounted to anything? Not saying it cant be done, but we can't pin our hopes on a guy that couldn't beat out Dayne, Lundy, and Gado.

Navy_Chris
03-04-2007, 07:35 PM
I don't understand why people are upset over the contract. 6.5 mil over 4 years doesn't sound too bad, IMO.

I'd feel a lot better if the 6.5M was going to somebody else. I sense a triangle forming between Denver, Houston, and Green Bay. Which one of their players do you think we'll get next?

Please_Evolve
03-04-2007, 07:36 PM
Solid signing. I think the price was about right for what we are probably going to ask him to do.

1. I don't see AP making it to the 8 spot.

2. Big enough name back that it will at least garner respect to the rushing game. I thought it would pacify at least some of the homers that demand a big name FA signing.

3. Can do all the things a back needs to do. Runs inside and and outside, catches well out of the backfield, and can pick up the blitz. Name one back on the roster before that could do all three well.

4. GB's line has deteriorated the past few years

5. I think it gives us a lot of flexibility at the 8 spot. If by some miracle AP is there at 8 and we don't shop him for more picks and we get him...that's a nasty backfield to deal with as an opposing defense. It frees us up to pick Landry at 8 solidifying our secondary or Levi Brown to solidfy the OL. Seriously as well by this time next year if we don't get AP the same people wetting themselves over him can wet themselves over McFadden, Slaton, or Ray Rice.

6. The contract wasn't too bad and if we get two solid years out of him... i consider it a good signing.

Errant Hothy
03-04-2007, 07:36 PM
On another note, Rick Smith has to be worried about our horrible cap situation we're in offseason after offseason. The wise thing would be not to worry about QB or RB this offseason and simply focus on the offensive line. We can have as many RBs and WRs and QBs as we want to, but if we don't have a solid line it's not really going to matter much, now is it? Why can't the Texans FO get that through their heads?

So next year when we are carrying very little dead money, the Cass left us with, can I remind you that it was Smith's call to accelerate the cap hits to this offseason? Are we a little straped for cash right now? Yes, but thanks to AJ restructuring we have some room; and we should have plenty of room to make an impact signing next year.

Mr. White
03-04-2007, 07:37 PM
LOL at all the Chris Taylor love. A good showing in the preseason doesn't make for a good NFL career. Oh yeah....the Cleveland game....big whoop.

Dude ain't ready yet.

Navy_Chris
03-04-2007, 07:37 PM
That was the last game of the season. When are they suppose to look at him? All year long when he was on PS maybe? He'll get his chance to show what he has this pre-season (again) and possibly share the load.

How many PS guys have amounted to anything? Not saying it cant be done, but we can't pin our hopes on a guy that couldn't beat out Dayne, Lundy, and Gado.

Taylor's going to end up as the next Willie Parker. Too bad the Texans will have already released him when he blows up. The Texans FO tends to look at prior stats when evaluating players. They don't look so much at HOW they play and their possible future potential. Shame on them.

F4VRE
03-04-2007, 07:37 PM
Dont let the declining #'s decieve you. A major leg injury, a new blocking scheme, starting 3 rookies on the Green Bay offensive line are all contributing factors to those #'s. Ahman came back from his leg injury as if it never happened, and still has great speed, excellent quickness, and surprising power. There arent to many people that didnt want him back in Packerland in 07'.

Between the 2000 and 2004 NFL seasons, Green rushed for more yards, and gained more total yards from scrimmage, than any other running back in the NFL. Ahman is a five time pro-bowler, 2nd all-time leading rusher in GB history, and we've had some great ones. Green is also second place on Nebraska Cornhuskers' all-time list for rush yards, and touchdowns.

He may be 30 and ageing but looks like he has years left of playing at a high level. His power will still amaze you, it makes him seem almost slippery. He can still leave a pile behind him,
and is fun to watch because he still dish out some punishment. Ahman is
a proven tough guy. We wish we could have worked out a deal.

GoHornsGo
03-04-2007, 07:37 PM
this signing reminde me of the Eric Moulds signing. seems like a good thing at the time but in hindsight will be a waste of money and cap space because green is over the hill and on the backside of his career.

TEXANRED
03-04-2007, 07:38 PM
Green: 266 attempts, 1059 yards, 14 starts, 4.0 per carry
Dayne: 151 attempts, 612 yards, 6 starts, 4.1 per carry

Dayne's stats there are very deceptive. He got here without going to camp with us (or anybody really since he sat out with turf toe in Denver) and in his first 8 games was only marginally effective. When he got healthy late in the year he went on a tear and averaged almost a yard more per carry than Green. Dayne is an 8 year vet with very low miles on him while Green is a 10 year vet with a history of injuries.

This signing is a waste of money that's going to come back to haunt the Texans when they stare at the dead money left from their 1 year running back. This entire FA period is some lame Toro muffins IMO.

Before Dayne joined the Broncos he spent his career averaging 3.4 yrds per carry. His best season as a giant was 3.8 yrds per carry. Since coming into the league in 2000 he has only played in all 16 games of the year 3 times. His 6 starts here in Houston is his second highest of his career next to 7 as a Giant in 02.

All Green has done is be productive. He has notched 6 1000+ yard seasons, he is good for 40 catches a year with 350+ receiving yards. He was hurt in 05 and fully recovered in 06. He is good for 20+ carries a game. He is going to give you that opportunity to run the clock out in tight games.

Not to mention I think he is going to be a good influence on our younger backs like Lundy and Taylor. Green is a proven back that has gotten the job done year in and year out. So maybe that will rub off on them.

Navy_Chris
03-04-2007, 07:38 PM
So next year when we are carrying very little dead money, the Cass left us with, can I remind you that it was Smith's call to accelerate the cap hits to this offseason? Are we a little straped for cash right now? Yes, but thanks to AJ restructuring we have some room; and we should have plenty of room to make an impact signing next year.

Well, good on him for doing that. I hope we can get something more in FA next year than a box of cracker jacks and a pack of big red.

F4VRE
03-04-2007, 07:40 PM
Dont let the declining #'s decieve you. A major leg injury, a new blocking scheme, starting 3 rookies on the Green Bay offensive line are all contributing factors to those #'s. Ahman came back from his leg injury as if it never happened, and still has great speed, excellent quickness, and surprising power. There arent to many people that didnt want him back in Packerland in 07'.

Between the 2000 and 2004 NFL seasons, Green rushed for more yards, and gained more total yards from scrimmage, than any other running back in the NFL. Ahman is a five time pro-bowler, 2nd all-time leading rusher in GB history, and we've had some great ones. Green is also second place on Nebraska Cornhuskers' all-time list for rush yards, and touchdowns.

He may be 30 and ageing but looks like he has years left of playing at a high level. His power will still amaze you, it makes him seem almost slippery. He can still leave a pile behind him,and is fun to watch because he still dish out some punishment. He brings experience, and no doubt if healthy will do a nice job for the Texans. We wish the Packers could have worked out a deal.

TEXANRED
03-04-2007, 07:41 PM
I will agree with this...1000 yards in no longer that big a benchmark. 62.5 yards a game doesn't excite me. I still think he has some game left though. I'm just not going to go overboard and say it is a great signing. I do like his team attitude and that he is a vet that has been in the trenches.

If 1000 is no longer a big bench mark then how do you feel about our leading rushers 612 yards?

PapaL
03-04-2007, 07:41 PM
Taylor's going to end up as the next Willie Parker. Too bad the Texans will have already released him when he blows up. The Texans FO tends to look at prior stats when evaluating players. They don't look so much at HOW they play and their possible future potential. Shame on them.

You guaranteeing this by paying his salary? Let's see, our coaching staff (who aquired Taylor) have seen him one film, in person, pre-season, and in game situations. He couldnt beat out the scrubs we had on the roster.

aj.
03-04-2007, 07:43 PM
Finally, another voice of reason.
Yeah, but it took until the 109th post ...

...take a peek at those 5 guys in front of (Lundy and Taylor) next time you watch a game. Not exactly poetry in motion
Non-fiction: There were eleven NFL teams that finished behind the Texans on the ground last year.
Opinion: Not bad when our running game was by committee among guys who are NFL backups.

PapaL
03-04-2007, 07:43 PM
If 1000 is no longer a big bench mark then how do you feel about our leading rushers 612 yards?

38.25 yards a game is much more impressive. LoL. And we didn't offer this guy a contract and let him hit FA? Shame on us. :sarcasm:

GoHornsGo
03-04-2007, 07:44 PM
ps. Greenbay gets Lynch with their first rounder and we get their old back. Greenbay moving forward - Texans moving backward.

we will never be any good if we keep picking up the league's former great players. we need to draft and sign via FA the up and comers.

TEXANRED
03-04-2007, 07:47 PM
I agree. This is a stupid signing. The Texans need to quit wasting money on Denver and Green Bay throw aways. We have a lot more positions of greater need than rb so why waste cap space on someone who is not the answer at a position that is not one of our biggest needs. I'd rather the Texans not sign anybody in free agency than for them to keep wasting cap room on old players. Sorry but 30 years old is old for a running back in the NFL. Great for an OL or QB but not for a rb. There are exceptions but why even chance it. We are hurting for cap space as it is.

Running back was right up there with LT as blaring needs. You can't win in the NFL if you are one dimensional.

Green is a solid signing. These are the kinds of moves that the Texans should have been making all along instead of throwing money at Smith, Walker, and Wade.

Errant Hothy
03-04-2007, 07:47 PM
sign via FA the up and comers.

Which takes money (usually LOTS of money, the type of money that will make you cringe in a few years if you make a mistake on a so called up and comer) which we don't have this year. If you want to blame somebody blame Cass.

To all those bitching about this signing I'd like to know who you would have signed with the little amount of money we have?

And with the structure of Green's contract i don't hink the Texans are looking for him to be the long term solution.

t_flare
03-04-2007, 07:47 PM
You guaranteeing this by paying his salary? Let's see, our coaching staff (who aquired Taylor) have seen him one film, in person, pre-season, and in game situations. He couldnt beat out the scrubs we had on the roster.

Taylor was bench (to the practice squad) because of his fumble problems.. not his running style or ability

TexanBorn51
03-04-2007, 07:48 PM
One of my best friends is a Packer fan and when I told him about this signing he was surprised but also was not aware about him being a free agent. Anyways I asked him since he's a Packer why did Green bay choose not to keep him. He did not know but maybe someone here can share that. Also when I look at 07 mock drafts most of them put GB to select Lynch at 16 pick. So is it that they let go AG for a new RB draft pick?

PapaL
03-04-2007, 07:48 PM
Taylor was bench (to the practice squad) because of his fumble problems.. not his running style or ability

Is that because a fumble is a magical thing or because of his inability to hold onto the ball?

TEXANRED
03-04-2007, 07:49 PM
ps. Greenbay gets Lynch with their first rounder and we get their old back. Greenbay moving forward - Texans moving backward.

we will never be any good if we keep picking up the league's former great players. we need to draft and sign via FA the up and comers.

Casserly, you got a new screen name.....:tease:

JAXwithanX
03-04-2007, 07:50 PM
Seriously though....poor Domanick. Guy was a stud at one point. Have to say they pretty much are forgetting him. I wouldn't mind Dayne still being a veteran's min. signing though. Them splitting carries might be the most beneficial thing for the both of them.

The Dude Abides
03-04-2007, 07:50 PM
For that price you're only hoping for one?

This was 2007's "Eric Moulds signing" and nothing more.

I agree with this. Moulds was making more of an impact off the field than on it. This could be the same thing. I wanted to go with AP in the first round if he was there at 8. I think we could have had the same results out of Henry or Brown. I'm interested to see how much they sign for. I think we'll concentrate on Ginn at 8 now or some secondary help.

Please_Evolve
03-04-2007, 07:51 PM
Taylor's going to end up as the next Willie Parker. Too bad the Texans will have already released him when he blows up. The Texans FO tends to look at prior stats when evaluating players. They don't look so much at HOW they play and their possible future potential. Shame on them.


Willie Parker was a great steal for the Steelers but also running behind a perenially good/ great line in Pitt helps A LOT. Guys like that appear once in a while but counting on that happening every draft probably isn't a good plan.

What people tend to forget on this board when it comes to Denver's History of late RB steals is they have a great oline thatthey can plug ina RB. We have nowhere near that kind of line and we don't have luxury of saying oh well we'll pick up linemen late. Denver has that luxury now but i bet the first few years coming into the league Shanahan had a semblance ofa line to work with and iwonder at first how many stop gap OLmen they had before they had OL to rotate like they do now.

Chris taylor might very well turn out to be a Willie Parker type player but from what i have seen Kubiak's Offense demands a bit more then being able to run the ball straight forward or to the outside. Parker also had Jerome Bettis to wear down defenses and when Staley was healthy him too. Speaking of Bettis yeah anotehr guy who was on the downside of 30 who turned it up a notch for a year or two when they needed him to.

STEEL BLUE TEXANS
03-04-2007, 07:51 PM
You don't let a "rising superstar" rott on the practice squad just for fumbling problems (see Tiki Barber). He's on the practice squad because he was no better than the guys ahead of him on the depth chart.

F4VRE
03-04-2007, 07:52 PM
One of my best friends is a Packer fan and when I told him about this signing he was surprised but also was not aware about him being a free agent. Anyways I asked him since he's a Packer why did Green bay choose not to keep him. He did not know but maybe someone here can share that. Also when I look at 07 mock drafts most of them put GB to select Lynch at 16 pick. So is it that they let go AG for a new RB draft pick?

GB has been trying to work out a deal. He wanted a 5 year contract for about 5 mill/year and dont know for sure but I suspect our GM wanted to go a different route, or figured Ahman wasnt worth that kind of $. Another thought is that we are rebuilding and are the youngest team in the league.
Our GM seems to like youth. I posted a few things in this thread about Ahman if you care to go back and read.

Im a moderator at Packerchatters.com. Come check out our site/forum if you like. Below is a link to an Ahman thread.

http://www.packerchatters.com/4ums/index.php?showtopic=3875

Wolf
03-04-2007, 07:54 PM
what they are saying over at Packerschatters
http://www.packerchatters.com/4ums/index.php?showtopic=3875


I didn't know Green has asthma.... which wonders how that will affect him in Houston

JAXwithanX
03-04-2007, 07:54 PM
More info from ESPN -

The deal reunites Green with Texans assistant head coach Mike Sherman, who was his head coach with the Green Bay Packers for six seasons. The presence of Sherman, and Green's knowledge of the basic offense, played a role in his decision.

Green visited in recent days with Denver Broncos officials and also considered re-signing with the Packers.

"We're excited to get this deal done because Ahman's been a successful running back in this league for a long time," Texans general manager Rick Smith said. "We're going to hitch our wagon to him. We're not worried about his age because he takes great care of himself and is in great condition. One of the many things we like about him is his versatility. Not only can he run the ball, but he's an excellent receiver, too. We think he's an ideal fit for our system."

The nine-year veteran, who has played the past seven seasons for the Packers, is coming off a 2006 season in which he re-established himself as a top runner. Green missed all but five games in 2005 because of a quadriceps injury, but started 14 contests in 2006 and rushed for 1,059 yards and five touchdowns on 266 carries.

It marked the sixth time in seven seasons that Green had rushed for 1,000 yards.

For his career, the former Nebraska star has carried 1,871 times for 8,491 yards and 54 touchdowns. He also has 350 receptions for 2,710 yards and 14 touchdowns. He has appeared in 126 games and started in 91 of them.

Houston ranked 21st in rushing offense in 2006 and head coach Gary Kubiak, a strong proponent of the running game, knows the Texans must do better. The Texans played the entire 2006 season without their starting tailback, Domanick Williams (who changed his name from Domanick Davis), who suffered a knee injury.

The Texans used three different starting tailbacks last season and, with no assurances that Williams will return to his previous form, wanted to add a proven commodity like Green.

"I know Houston is in the early stages of its development and it's been rough in the beginning. But this is an organization that's taking the steps to get to that respectable level in the NFL," Green said before agreeing to the deal with the Texans. "I'm just looking for a situation where I feel comfortable around the players and around the coaches, somewhere I can basically be myself, come down here and just play football and have fun. That's what I'm looking for."

Errant Hothy
03-04-2007, 07:55 PM
I don't think the Green signing or contract would stop us from drafting Peterson if he falls to the 8th pick. If we draft AD, our backfeild would look like: Green, Peterson, Lundy/Taylor; and Green's contract is good enough that we could trade him during the season if somebody offers the right deal or keep both him and Peterson (cause you need 2+ backs these days).

mexican_texan
03-04-2007, 07:57 PM
Just remember, Taylor and our #3 RB will still get a lot of carries.

TexanBorn51
03-04-2007, 07:57 PM
GB has been trying to work out a deal. He wanted a 5 year contract for about 5 mill/year and our GM may have some other options, we dont know yet. I posted a few things in this thread about Ahman if you care to go back and read.

If that's the case then GB did not feel enough in AG for about 25 mil five years. If that's one measure of value from them then the Texans got four years and 23 mil. Anyways I also had thought maybe the injury took some off for GB and thanks for the reply as I will tell my friend.

TheRealJoker
03-04-2007, 07:59 PM
Another thing we get with Green is veteran leadership in the way of 5 pro bowls. Something we're sorely lacking on our roster.

JCTexan
03-04-2007, 07:59 PM
Seriously though....poor Domanick. Guy was a stud at one point. Have to say they pretty much are forgetting him. I wouldn't mind Dayne still being a veteran's min. signing though. Them splitting carries might be the most beneficial thing for the both of them.

DW missed all of 2006... I'm glad they aren't planning on him coming back at 100%. :bubble:

Wolf
03-04-2007, 08:01 PM
this made some sense

A little perspective:

In a front-loaded contract, Charles Woodson, a 29 year old cornerback whose best years were behind him, signed a seven-year contract for 52 million dollars, in which he counted almost $7 million against the 2006 cap.

This, despite coming off a broken leg (at a speed/agility-critical position) and missing 12 games in his previous two seasons.

Thompson has since been praised for this signing, which at the time, seemed rather risky. However, like Ahman's contract, it was heavily front-loaded and allowed the team a way out earlier if he didn't pan out.

I'm not saying Thompson erred or that Ahman was worth it. I'm saying that you shouldn't cast stones at someone else's black kettle in a glass house. Or something like that.


post 65
http://www.packerchatters.com/4ums/index.php?showtopic=3875&st=60

Navy_Chris
03-04-2007, 08:03 PM
what they are saying over at Packerschatters
http://www.packerchatters.com/4ums/index.php?showtopic=3875


I didn't know Green has asthma.... which wonders how that will affect him in Houston

Really? didn't know that. maybe next time we can get a RB with rickets. hah. I don't understand the offseason moves this team continues to make. It would just be the icing on the cake if we signed Ken Hamlin. ANOTHER underachiever.

STEEL BLUE TEXANS
03-04-2007, 08:04 PM
I'm saying that you shouldn't cast stones at someone else's black kettle in a glass house. Or something like that.


:heh:

DomDavis
03-04-2007, 08:05 PM
Really? didn't know that. maybe next time we can get a RB with rickets. hah. I don't understand the offseason moves this team continues to make. It would just be the icing on the cake if we signed Ken Hamlin. ANOTHER underachiever.

Green is an underachiever?

ArlingtonTexan
03-04-2007, 08:06 PM
Just remember, Taylor and our #3 RB will still get a lot of carries.

I thought Taylor was the number #3????

Wolf
03-04-2007, 08:07 PM
http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?S=61#S=61&F=1807

what they are saying at packerReport.com

Clash_Fan3605
03-04-2007, 08:08 PM
Wow, I'm a hour late. Great news!!!! :marionaner: I think the rumour of us trading up w/ Cleveland was a bit of a stretch anyways. :elmo:

dtran04
03-04-2007, 08:08 PM
From PFT:

Adam Schefter of the NFL Network reports that the Houston Texans have signed running back Ahman Green.

A league source tells us that Green's contract is worth $23 million over four years, and that Green will earn $8 million in the first year of the deal. Per Schefter, $6.5 million of contract is guaranteed.

Green, who has spent the last seven seasons with the Packers, will be reuinted with former Green Bay coach/G.M. Mike Sherman in Houston. Sherman is an assistant head coach with the Texans.

The aging tailback generated strong interest, and could re-establish himself as a star runner in the Texans' zone-blocking scheme.

Of course, it remains to be seen what the Texans will do at quarterback. David Carr, the No. 1 overall pick in the 2002 draft, is not expected to return. The identity of his replacement is, at this point, anyone's guess.

The frontloading makes it easier to move on if necessary. Sounds like a smart move.

The Preacher
03-04-2007, 08:09 PM
Whoa 24 mil injury prone bandaid. T-Hen would have been the play this has regret written all over it. Sorry AG prove me wrong. Hard to see what the rationale is here. Here's to 5 mil in dead 08' cap space. Sorry to be so cynical just hard to see how how Ahman is going to revert to his mid-20's form. I guess the big name brings some confidence. This isn't Eddie George in Dallas but not that far from it. Good luck.

dirty steve
03-04-2007, 08:10 PM
Really? didn't know that. maybe next time we can get a RB with rickets. hah. I don't understand the offseason moves this team continues to make. It would just be the icing on the cake if we signed Ken Hamlin. ANOTHER underachiever.
i guess getting assaulted with a stop sign is some type of underachievement. i guess signing a guy like hamlin would do nothing towards bettering the dearth of talent that this teasm currently possesses.

listen, Green isnt the BEST talent out there, but he works with what the team is trying to do with a limited budget. get used to us not being players for the Tier 1 FA talent until the FO can clean up Casserly's mess. we were never players for guys like Clements, Thomas, etc. you could have done ALOT worse than get Ahman Green for a couple of years.

so Chris, what is it the Texans could do to get some praise from you?

STEEL BLUE TEXANS
03-04-2007, 08:10 PM
Green is an underachiever?




That's just Navy_Chris talking out of his ass again.

Navy_Chris
03-04-2007, 08:11 PM
Green is an underachiever?

Yep. He can't do much when he's always injured. Even when he's healthy, he rushes for 1100 yards or so. I'm not impressed with 70 yards a game.

Clash_Fan3605
03-04-2007, 08:11 PM
I thought Taylor was the number #3????

Yeah, I thought it would be Green / Dayne / Taylor, but Dayne isn't signed yet

STEEL BLUE TEXANS
03-04-2007, 08:12 PM
From PFT:

Adam Schefter of the NFL Network reports that the Houston Texans have signed running back Ahman Green.

A league source tells us that Green's contract is worth $23 million over four years, and that Green will earn $8 million in the first year of the deal. Per Schefter, $6.5 million of contract is guaranteed.

Green, who has spent the last seven seasons with the Packers, will be reuinted with former Green Bay coach/G.M. Mike Sherman in Houston. Sherman is an assistant head coach with the Texans.

The aging tailback generated strong interest, and could re-establish himself as a star runner in the Texans' zone-blocking scheme.

Of course, it remains to be seen what the Texans will do at quarterback. David Carr, the No. 1 overall pick in the 2002 draft, is not expected to return. The identity of his replacement is, at this point, anyone's guess.

The frontloading makes it easier to move on if necessary. Sounds like a smart move.




Frontloading the contract makes this signing even better. Similar to what the Packers did with Charles Woodson.

Please_Evolve
03-04-2007, 08:12 PM
i guess getting assaulted with a stop sign is some type of underachievement.

listen, Green isnt the BEST talent out there, but he works with what the team is trying to do with a limited budget. get used to us not being players for the Tier 1 FA talent until the FO can clean up Casserly's mess. we were never players for guys like Clements, Thomas, etc. you could have done ALOT worse than get Ahman Green for a couple of years.

so Chris, what is it the Texans could do to get some praise from you?

Prolly an Aggie. Nothing you can do for those folks.

Navy_Chris
03-04-2007, 08:13 PM
That's just Navy_Chris talking out of his ass again.

how am i talking out of my ass? arent you tired of the Texans wasting money on players they hope can resurrect their careers here? wouldn't you rather see them invest in a sure thing? i know i would.

mexican_texan
03-04-2007, 08:13 PM
I thought Taylor was the number #3????
...but numer one in our hearts.

STEEL BLUE TEXANS
03-04-2007, 08:13 PM
Yep. He can't do much when he's always injured. Even when he's healthy, he rushes for 1100 yards or so. I'm not impressed with 70 yards a game.




Chris Taylor can't do much either when he is sitting on the practice squad for "fumbling problems."

dirty steve
03-04-2007, 08:14 PM
how am i talking out of my ass? arent you tired of the Texans wasting money on players they hope can resurrect their careers here? wouldn't you rather see them invest in a sure thing? i know i would.
what is a sure thing to you? 49 million on Leonard Davis? 80 mil on Nate Clements? you keep throwing this stuff out there with nothing concrete to back it up.

Clash_Fan3605
03-04-2007, 08:15 PM
Next step: LETS DRAFT LaRON LANDRY, BABY :marionaner: :whoohoo: :dance3: :ski:

Navy_Chris
03-04-2007, 08:16 PM
Prolly an Aggie. Nothing you can do for those folks.

Nah, I don't go to A&M. BUT, making moves that don't cause me to scratch my head whenever they make them would be a good start. I'm not pretending to know more than Rick or Gary, however I am curious as to what they see in Ken Hamlin and Ahman Green and why they insist on finding another QB this season. Oh, and I'm giving all kinds of praise to Rick and Gary. I know they'll turn this around. I'm just a little frustrated by 5 years and nothing to show for it. Impatience is rearing it's ugly head, that's all.

Please_Evolve
03-04-2007, 08:17 PM
how am i talking out of my ass? arent you tired of the Texans wasting money on players they hope can resurrect their careers here? wouldn't you rather see them invest in a sure thing? i know i would.


how beautifully contradictory of yourself.

You pimp the undrafted FA Taylor who hasn't done anything.

But balk at the pro bowl RB who was usually at the top of league in rushing yards and who still despite everything still topped 1000 yards on a mediocre at best GB team.

Hmmm....who's the more sure bet?

Navy_Chris
03-04-2007, 08:17 PM
Chris Taylor can't do much either when he is sitting on the practice squad for "fumbling problems."

he fumbled once in the cleveland game, and didn't he recover it himself? name me a RB that doesn't fumble every now and then. it seems to be fixed to me. i would be happy if he got a decent look on a consistent basis, that's all.

Navy_Chris
03-04-2007, 08:20 PM
what is a sure thing to you? 49 million on Leonard Davis? 80 mil on Nate Clements? you keep throwing this stuff out there with nothing concrete to back it up.

I don't know if you read my post a long time ago, but I was and still am in favor of giving up our 1st rounders in 07 and 08 for the opportunity to sign Dwight Freeney. He's a sure thing and he would help out in more ways than one. Kubiak has said that he wants the defense to be the cornerstone of this team. Freeney would be a good acquisition. He would put more pressure on opposing passers, our secondary wouldn't be hurting as much....

They won't do this, but I like the idea, nevertheless....

STEEL BLUE TEXANS
03-04-2007, 08:23 PM
...

dirty steve
03-04-2007, 08:23 PM
I don't know if you read my post a long time ago, but I was and still am in favor of giving up our 1st rounders in 07 and 08 for the opportunity to sign Dwight Freeney. He's a sure thing and he would help out in more ways than one. Kubiak has said that he wants the defense to be the cornerstone of this team. Freeney would be a good acquisition. He would put more pressure on opposing passers, our secondary wouldn't be hurting as much....
They won't do this, but I like the idea, nevertheless....
no way i give up 2 1st's for Freeney--that is way too far fetched for me. I doubt you would find many current NFL GM's that would agree with you.
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BTW--Here were your words from another thread:
In free agency, I would make a serious run at Ken Hamlin and Donte Stallworth.

seems as if somebody has talksoutofbothsidesofhismouthitis

michaelm
03-04-2007, 08:25 PM
Anyone who thinks signing Green is an upgrade over Ron Dayne is on crack IMO.

Thank god you were here to finally tell me what's wrong with me...

I think Green is a marginal (read; slight) upgrade over Dayne, but a good compliment to Dayne...

Navy_Chris
03-04-2007, 08:26 PM
no way i give up 2 1st's for Freeney--that is way too far fetched for me. I doubt you would find many current NFL GM's that would agree with you.
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BTW--Here were your words from another thread:
In free agency, I would make a serious run at Ken Hamlin and Donte Stallworth.

seems as if somebody has talksoutofbothsidesofhismouthitis

Seeing as Ken Hamlin is one of the best safeties on the market (which isn't saying much), yes, i would try to sign him . HOWEVER, Ken Hamlin isn't the end all at safety for the Texans. IF we signed him, i'd still be in favor of getting a rookie in here.

Navy_Chris
03-04-2007, 08:27 PM
no way i give up 2 1st's for Freeney--that is way too far fetched for me. I doubt you would find many current NFL GM's that would agree with you.
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BTW--Here were your words from another thread:
In free agency, I would make a serious run at Ken Hamlin and Donte Stallworth.

seems as if somebody has talksoutofbothsidesofhismouthitis

this move not only improves our football team dramatically, it puts us EVEN FURTHER under the cap for years to come. I love the idea. too bad it won't happen

F4VRE
03-04-2007, 08:28 PM
I think Green is a marginal (read; slight) upgrade over Dayne, but a good compliment to Dayne...
Wow. Am I missing something here ?

bigTEXan8
03-04-2007, 08:29 PM
here's the thing. peterson isn't going to drop to us. i don't see him dropping past picks 3-7. that's just me though. i think the combination of dd or green (if dd comes back)/lundy is what's going to happen, and that's if taylor doesn't get a decent shot this upcoming year.

TexanSam
03-04-2007, 08:31 PM
Seeing as Ken Hamlin is one of the best safeties on the market (which isn't saying much), yes, i would try to sign him . HOWEVER, Ken Hamlin isn't the end all at safety for the Texans. IF we signed him, i'd still be in favor of getting a rookie in here.

If we signed Hamlin he probably would be our FS for years to come. He's only 26 and he would probably get a long-term deal. He's a quality safety and you can't expect Pro Bowlers at every position.

Navy_Chris
03-04-2007, 08:32 PM
If we signed Hamlin he probably would be our FS for years to come. He's only 26 and he would probably get a long-term deal. He's a quality safety and you can't expect Pro Bowlers at every position.

Hamlin plays his best when he moves up to the line. We've already got plenty of guys like that. we need good cover guys back there.

michaelm
03-04-2007, 08:36 PM
One of my best friends is a Packer fan and when I told him about this signing he was surprised but also was not aware about him being a free agent. Anyways I asked him since he's a Packer why did Green bay choose not to keep him. He did not know but maybe someone here can share that. Also when I look at 07 mock drafts most of them put GB to select Lynch at 16 pick. So is it that they let go AG for a new RB draft pick?

Personally, I seriously question the football knowlege of any Packer fan that didn't know Green was a free agent...

Navy_Chris
03-04-2007, 08:36 PM
off topic, but does anyone know who/what the Texans tried to send to Pittsburgh for Joey Porter before he was released?

TexanSam
03-04-2007, 08:38 PM
off topic, but does anyone know who/what the Texans tried to send to Pittsburgh for Joey Porter before he was released?

They tried trading for him? I didn't know that. Interesting.

Navy_Chris
03-04-2007, 08:39 PM
They tried trading for him? I didn't know that. Interesting.

Yeah, Michael Smith of ESPN reported it yesterday. He said the Texans, along with 2 other teams tried, but failed.

Errant Hothy
03-04-2007, 08:41 PM
Yeah, Michael Smith of ESPN reported it yesterday. He said the Texans, along with 2 other teams tried, but failed.

IF three teams tried to trade for Porter and Pitsburgh didn't take any of the deals...makes you go hmmmm?

Anything is better then nothing, right?

Navy_Chris
03-04-2007, 08:44 PM
IF three teams tried to trade for Porter and Pitsburgh didn't take any of the deals...makes you go hmmmm?

Anything is better then nothing, right?

A lot of people around the league are thinking that this decision is going to come back and haunt Mike Tomin.

PapaL
03-04-2007, 08:47 PM
he fumbled once in the cleveland game, and didn't he recover it himself? name me a RB that doesn't fumble every now and then. it seems to be fixed to me. i would be happy if he got a decent look on a consistent basis, that's all.

He'll get that look during the pre-season (again). Is he elgible for PS again? If so, chances are that is where he would end up.

michaelm
03-04-2007, 08:48 PM
Wow. Am I missing something here ?

Yes, the fact that I think Green is an upgrade to Dayne, and don't like to be called "on crack" for thinking so...
It is academic that I don't think Green is a major upgrade... I think he IS an upgrade.
I may have confused things by saying he would be a good compliment to Dayne, if Dayne isn't going to be back next season...

TEXANRED
03-04-2007, 08:49 PM
Nah, I don't go to A&M. BUT, making moves that don't cause me to scratch my head whenever they make them would be a good start. I'm not pretending to know more than Rick or Gary, however I am curious as to what they see in Ken Hamlin and Ahman Green and why they insist on finding another QB this season. Oh, and I'm giving all kinds of praise to Rick and Gary. I know they'll turn this around. I'm just a little frustrated by 5 years and nothing to show for it. Impatience is rearing it's ugly head, that's all.

I don't want to get off in a rant here, but I feel like I am about to go Dennis Miller on you. http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/395977Ken Hamlin last year as a free safety had 96 tkls, 2 sacks, 3 picks, in the season that he came back from almost getting beat to death with a metal street sign. This guy is so tough that not only did the head wound heal, but didnt even scar. He is a leader, and flies to the ball, he can play both run and pass. Unlike Brown, 76 tkls, 1 sack, 1 pick, not a leader and bites on play action.

Green is an upgrade of mamoth proportions. He is a runner, a pass catcher.

Sorry I just don't see you POV.

mexican_texan
03-04-2007, 08:50 PM
He'll get that look during the pre-season (again). Is he elgible for PS again? If so, chances are that is where he would end up.
As I said before, Taylor was kept in the practice squad last year so he could be eligible this year.

thunderkyss
03-04-2007, 08:53 PM
Somebody would be willing to give up an awful lot to move up and grab him if we don't take him

Why?? if they've got their eyes on AD, and believes we won't take him, they'll know he'll fall past Miami & SanFran... moving up to the 11th pick is a lot easier on the pocket book.

Matter of fact, if AD get's past us, the only team anyone would worry about would be Carolina at 14.

TexanBorn51
03-04-2007, 08:55 PM
Personally, I seriously question the football knowlege of any Packer fan that didn't know Green was a free agent...

i understand but yet to explain that my good friend has been very ill lately and lives in Texas without internet and such. He's just had some other health issues to keep up with. He didn't even know Sherman was our coach now. You see I don't even see him very often in the last few years cuz I live now AZ. But let me tell you in his prime of years past he could tell you everything about them and watched every game. He's a big cheesehead ya know.

michaelm
03-04-2007, 08:58 PM
Matter of fact, if AD get's past us, the only team anyone would worry about would be Carolina at 14.

I don't think Carolina would take him as long as they have DeAngelo Williams on the bench... unless there's something I don't know about Williams...

michaelm
03-04-2007, 08:59 PM
i understand but yet to explain that my good friend has been very ill lately and lives in Texas without internet and such. He's just had some other health issues to keep up with. He didn't even know Sherman was our coach now. You see I don't even see him very often in the last few years cuz I live now AZ. But let me tell you in his prime of years past he could tell you everything about them and watched every game. He's a big cheesehead ya know.

Gotcha... I hope i didn't come off as having insulted your friend.

cowboy62
03-04-2007, 08:59 PM
30 yr old RB, 9 years in the league, high mileage, backside of his career, numbers slipping, this doesn't do a lot for me in building confidence in the FO. It appears as a stop gap band aid. I would have rather spent that $6 million on the line and a player who would be around for the length of a 4 yr contract. Green's 4.0 ypc last yr isn't much better than what Texans had last yr.

yall just got an eddie george type of player,remember what eddie did in dallas,nothing.

Double Barrel
03-04-2007, 09:01 PM
Sweet! Good to hear. He'll be a nice piece of the running game puzzle we'll be putting together. :thumbup

TexanExile
03-04-2007, 09:02 PM
Good news. I fully expected the Sherman tie to Green would trump any possibility of signing Travis Henry, but this is a very solid pickup for a guy who can still do a lot on the field for the next couple of years. Considering the youth at that position right now, it gives the RB position a good deal more credibility.


Then again, I was really psyched about the Eric Moulds signing last year. Maybe Green should rent. :winky:

TexanBorn51
03-04-2007, 09:02 PM
Gotcha... I hope i didn't come off as having insulted your friend.

No not all it's okay hey how's the Woodlands I went to the Texas Renaissance Festival near there two years ago it was a great area and I miss the Houston area lived there for sevral years back in the 60's and 70's. Can't wait to go back home meanwhile I wear my Texan cap proudly here and outnumbered here in Phoenix but I love it.

Tayton
03-04-2007, 09:02 PM
I don't know if you read my post a long time ago, but I was and still am in favor of giving up our 1st rounders in 07 and 08 for the opportunity to sign Dwight Freeney. He's a sure thing and he would help out in more ways than one. Kubiak has said that he wants the defense to be the cornerstone of this team. Freeney would be a good acquisition. He would put more pressure on opposing passers, our secondary wouldn't be hurting as much....

They won't do this, but I like the idea, nevertheless....

This is supposed to be about Ahman Green, I know, but I had to respond to this. Let me get this right. You, as a GM of a rebuilding/building team would trade to a divisional rival, your first draft picks in the next 2 years for a defensive end on the downside of his career. Did I understand that right? Wow.

Hervoyel
03-04-2007, 09:03 PM
1,000 yards is so easy to come by that none of our RBs came close to that mark last season.


Not one of them got enough carries to get there and so the easy 1,000 yards on the ground went the way of Eric Moulds cathes and TD's. You can't get it done without the ball.

When Ron Dayne was healthy and got the carries he got damned near halfway to 1,000 yards in a quarter of a season.

Navy_Chris
03-04-2007, 09:05 PM
This is supposed to be about Ahman Green, I know, but I had to respond to this. Let me get this right. You, as a GM of a rebuilding/building team would trade to a divisional rival, your first draft picks in the next 2 years for a defensive end on the downside of his career. Did I understand that right? Wow.

Downside?! He's just coming into his prime! And, as a rebuilding team, middle round picks will prove to be crucial to our success. We need to drastically improve our O-Line depth and fix the salary cap situation. Add that to the fact Dwight Freeney would help in SO many just ways. not just in our pass rush.

GP
03-04-2007, 09:06 PM
30 yr old RB, 9 years in the league, high mileage, backside of his career, numbers slipping, this doesn't do a lot for me in building confidence in the FO. It appears as a stop gap band aid. I would have rather spent that $6 million on the line and a player who would be around for the length of a 4 yr contract. Green's 4.0 ypc last yr isn't much better than what Texans had last yr.

Nice post. I agree.

Another band aid by the Texans.

James Allen wasn't available?

You guys were wanting a free agency signing so badly, as you watched other teams gobble them up, that you think this is a good signing.

I hope you're right.

Otherwise, it's just more of the same: Pick up an average player and prop him up as "the next piece in the puzzle."

Again: I hope I'm wrong and you all are proven right. Otherwise, we'll still have a mediocre running game that nobody fears and nobody needs to gameplan for...and the receiving game will suffer once again.

TexanBorn51
03-04-2007, 09:07 PM
Let me understand this right... when all these rushing stats are thrown out comparing AG and the Texans RB's well does the rushing stat include the RB receiving too. Reason I ask cuz the formula also has to apply to all those times you receive the ball and then run. So if a RB catches more balls than the other would that take away from his rushing yds?

Errant Hothy
03-04-2007, 09:08 PM
You guys were wanting a free agency signing so badly, as you watched other teams gobble them up, that you think this is a good signing

And from where were we supposed to get the money to sign the almighty BIG name FAs?

CowboysTexansFan
03-04-2007, 09:12 PM
I like this signing. If Green stays healthy, he will really help the team next year.

As an aside, I don't understand why so many of you are down on Moulds. He was the best #2 receiver we ever had, and his presence contributed to the fine season AJ had. Moulds was also a good leader in the locker room.

While he had "only" 57 receptions last season, which was low for him, he also played with one of the worst QB's in the league. What did some of you guys expect Moulds to do, throw the passes to himself?

Hervoyel
03-04-2007, 09:13 PM
Thank god you were here to finally tell me what's wrong with me...

I think Green is a marginal (read; slight) upgrade over Dayne, but a good compliment to Dayne...


No problem man, I'm there for you, just don't pick the pipe back up.

Seriously I understand that when you look at Green's career and set it alongside what Ron Dayne has done it's a gross mismatch in favor of Green. That's impossible to deny and I'm not trying to convince anyone of it.

What I am trying to say is that each one of those yards that Green fans want to point to and be proud of is a yard he ain't going to run for as a Texan. The man has 8500 yards on him and his last two seasons ypc (3.3 and 4.0) have been the lowest totals in his long career. This is not something that improves with additional years.

Dayne on the other hand has never been used properly and for us that's a good thing because he needs to be fed the ball heavily to be successful. Nobody has done that to him since he got to the NFL (coincidentally at the same time Tiki Barber emerged). Now we could do it but of course we won't. We'll be splitting time with Ahman Green (if we even sign Dayne at all) and neither one of them will be effective. Green because he's on the downside and Dayne because he's getting 10-12 carries a game and can't get going.

This signing in my opinion hurts the Texans. Once the 2007 season is over I'll be around to gripe about it. Green probably won't though. He'll go the way of Eric Moulds and Stacy Mack. Riding off into the sunset with his signing bonus in hand and a big grin on his face.

dirty steve
03-04-2007, 09:18 PM
This is supposed to be about Ahman Green, I know, but I had to respond to this. Let me get this right. You, as a GM of a rebuilding/building team would trade to a divisional rival, your first draft picks in the next 2 years for a defensive end on the downside of his career. Did I understand that right? Wow.
i agree with everything except for saying freeney is over the hill, unless there is a new definition of it.

David's Busted Carr
03-04-2007, 09:19 PM
Well, if nothing else he gives us a NAME that other teams with have to respect. With his track record other teams will at least have to gameplan some for him.

With Dayne, Lundy and friends they just laughed during meetings and said, OK so about that Andre Johnson....

Texans_Chick
03-04-2007, 09:23 PM
Link (http://www.houstontexans.com/news/detail.php?PRKey=3342)

This is the presser from the Texans website that occured prior to the signing. Minor highlighting by me:

Free agent running back Ahman Green spoke to Houston media on Sunday after visiting with Texans officials.

(on the visit to Houston) ďThe visit went well. Everything I expected right off the plane. I remember when I was at Texas; they do everything big down here. Itís a big state of Texas. I enjoyed myself last night at the game (Rockets game) and Iíve been enjoying myself. Itís kind of taking a step back and taking everything in from meeting the coaches and seeing the facility.Ē

(on teams not letting potential free agents go and the hard sell) ďIt has to be there. Itís just the nature of our business. Itís the nature of everything going on in free agency. I went to Denver first and then came here. I was talking to my agent and itís been a good overwhelming feeling because Iíve been two places, Denver and here, where they definitely want me. I felt that when I talked to the coaches and I talked to the players. Iíve known (T) Ephraim (Salaam) for a while and I talked to him while I was here last night and itís definitely some of the things Iím looking for. That family atmosphere where everybody knows each other, kids, moms, dads, stuff like that and with that, thatís what makes a team successful. I know Houston is in the early stages of their development and itís been rough at the beginning, but this is an organization that is making the steps to get to that respectable level in the NFL.Ē

(on if heís looking for a long term deal or just the right situation) ďThat is not my job; my job is to play football. My agent is definitely doing that stuff with Rick Smith, the GM here. Iím just looking for a situation where I feel comfortable around the players and the coaches where I can be myself. Come down here and just play football and have fun. That is what Iím looking for.Ē

(on if he feels like heís out of Green Bay) ďNo, I donít feel like that. Thatís where the majority of my career is at. I think speaking in general with anybody that has been in a situation for a long time, regardless of if it was good or bad, Iíve been there seven years. Some good, some bad, but regardless of the fact, staying or leaving will be tough. I donít know yet, but, I think for anybody generally speaking it would be tough to do. When youíre a kid and you transfer a school, and that school you have all your buddies. Regardless of if it was good times or bad times, itís still a tough time to leave.Ē

(on if he has any other visits scheduled) ďI did. I have gotten to the point where I have seen enough. I donít need to venture out anymore. I know a few teams that are disappointed because I did have some visits set up, but from the two teams that I have visited, I donít need to see anymore.Ē

(on positives of Houston) ďItís a nice little list. Iíve been here a few times I would say as a guest of Houston in terms of visiting the city and all Iíve seen is good; the neighborhoods, the people, the atmosphere of the town and the weather, you canít beat that. And then, now meeting the players and the coaches, a few of them I know, Coach (Mike) Sherman as one, and some of the players I have played with, (C) Mike Flanagan, (TE) Ben Steele, (RB) Samkon (Gado), I know (RB) Ron (Dayne) and few of the linemen. (T) Zach (Wiegert) was here, he played for Nebraska, weíre Nebraska boys, and (K) Kris Brown as well. Knowing those guys are here it makes it a little bit easier to have them on my list and to make it to where I can see myself in blue and red. You kind of get that notion; you get that feeling when you come off a plane sometimes. I had the same feeling in Denver, so this is going to be tough for me. But I know one thing, whatever decision I go with is not going to be a bad decision for me or whatever team Iím with. Especially with the team here in Houston, they are young. There are veterans here that have got the leadership behind them and then with someone like myself, the younger guys can definitely latch on because Iím a team player.Ē

(on if he will make a decision in the next 24 hours) ďPossibly. Possibly.Ē

(on if the quarterback situation in Houston and if he can be Ďthe guyí to carry the offense) ďI wouldnít say Ďthe guy,í but I am definitely a guy that will, if I become a Texan, be part of the mix, because Iíve been watching the Texans since the inception of the whole organization, and being a football fanónot just a player, but for a fanóI know with David (Carr) being the quarterback, he has done his best. He has gone out there and thrown the ball, and as a running back, when youíre watching SportsCenter and it says ĎDavid Carr has been sacked 100 times in a seasoní or some crazy number, Iíd have a heart attack. I donít care if itís (Green Bay QB) Brett (Favre) or a seventh-round draft pick quarterback in the backfield, it itís up to me, my quarterback is not getting touched. As a running back, you take it personal. I just feel like now that I have the opportunity where I got to come down here and visit, and if I become a Texan, thatís going to be one of my priorities outside of running the ball and scoring points and making yards, itís to protect David or whoever is back there throwing the ball. Iíll put it like this: Iím going to be his Kevlar back there stopping the blitz.Ē

(on if Broncos owner Pat Bowlen sent a plane for him) ďYes he did. It was commercial; American into Denver, which is OK.Ē

(on flying to Houston on Texans owner Bob McNairís private plane) ďI kind of expected that. In the free agency arena, I expected that. It was kind of a gesture to let you know how serious this team is.Ē

(on his familiarity with Texans offensive coordinator Mike Sherman) ďWith that, and the few players that are here, like I said: Flanagan, Ben Steele, Samkon Gado, (FB) Vonta Leach, those guys, and Kris Brown goes all the way back to college. So they can help me possibly adjust to this area, and I donít think I would have a hard time adjusting to it.Ē

(on the Rockets game he attended Saturday night) ďI didnít understand that game, because when I was in Denver the night before, (Rockets F Tracy) McGrady had a heck of a game against (Denver F) Carmelo (Anthony) and those guys. When I saw them last night, I said ĎThis is definitely not the same team I saw 24 hours ago in Denver.íĒ

(on whether the Rockets could use him) ďIím just a jumper. Iím not a shooter. I play defense. Iím more like The Worm; Iím like (Dennis) Rodman without all the extracurriculars off the court on that note, but I would be a defender and a rebounder and a dunker, but thatís about it.Ē

If the RB blocking could be less of an adventure, this would be a good thing for the team.

keyfro
03-04-2007, 09:23 PM
i can see your point Hervoyel but i just want everyone to keep these two things in mind about the last two season for green...one in 05 he was injuried...and two in 06 he was playing behind an o-line that was starting several rookies in colledge and spitz and i think eventually a third one...they were going through a serious transition period and he saw the new coach towards the end of the season rely on morency more and more...so his numbers of carries went down

i agree that he is on his last wheels but his last wheels might last two more years...i don't see him ever seeing years 3 and 4 of this contract...plus this also gives kubiak another year to build up taylor (who i think he made a mistake on putting him on the practice squad versus lundy) and lundy who kubiak is still high on...if one of these two guys starts to pick up on what kubiak is teaching them they will have the oppurtunity to become stars

The Pencil Neck
03-04-2007, 09:27 PM
Why do people insist on using stats as the sole basis for their arguments?

Because everything else is pure speculation and wistful thinking. Assuming trends from stats are too but they at least they sound better and more scientific.

Wharton
03-04-2007, 09:27 PM
I don't agree with this move at all. Running backs just aren't any good after 30.

When you have to ask "does this running back have something left in the tank?", its a bad sign.

I'm getting a little tired of taking Denver and Green Bay's left overs.

Navy_Chris
03-04-2007, 09:29 PM
Because everything else is pure speculation and wistful thinking. Assuming trends from stats are too but they at least they sound better and more scientific.

I'd much rather just watch a guy play on the field. Let me eyes make the decision for me. i.e. if some RB has great stats in college, it doesn't necessarily mean they'll translate to the NFL.

The Pencil Neck
03-04-2007, 09:30 PM
If the RB blocking could be less of an adventure, this would be a good thing for the team.

Yeah, I caught that, too. I think blocking was a big factor keeping Lundy and Taylor from the field.

GP
03-04-2007, 09:31 PM
And from where were we supposed to get the money to sign the almighty BIG name FAs?

Well, when we spend the money by spreading it out to 2 or 3 or 4 players...which we do...then there theoritically WOULD be enough money to lure a SINGLE free agent of IMPACT.

I'm of the belief that you bring in ONE big, impacting, player and draft around him to support him. Others think that you spread it out to a few players--Therefore, we're being cost-effective and managing our money better.

This is why Mario Williams was signed nearly three days before the draft: He was CHEAPER than Reggie and Vince. They tried to get the other two to come down, but they wouldn't. So they said (A) We need a pass rusher, and I believe that we did need one, by the way, and (B) He signed at the right price.

Anything missing here? We signed a player for No. 3 money, but got him at No. 1. We didn't want to get into the Bush-Young price battle that was raging between those two guys...it was an extension of the Heisman outcome and the Rose Bowl outcome...and we stayed out of the way, signing the player who would take what was given to him. Anything missing, here? I think that's a fairly solid theory from all that I have read on the issue.

It's no secret that we overpay average players. It's a pattern. There's an L.A. Clippers mentality to this team's FO. Manage, manage, manage. Gotta' be sensible in every way. Abd that philosophy leaks into our players' attitudes and the performance we see on the field: Manage, manage, manage. No risk taking. No creativity. It's a virus, guys.

Good is the enemy of GREAT.

We signed an elderly man to our team last year, Eric Moulds, and the reaction was the same as it is today with the AHman Green thread: "This is a good signing." or "It makes sense" or "Now we have a solid player to add a new dimension to our team" or blah-blah-blah.

I don't want to sell the farm for Nate Clements-type contracts. That is ignorant on every level, IMO. But I think we can do better than spreading it out to several players.

We could have so many draft picks, it'd be crazy. We could have traded out of the No. 1 last year for an extra pick or two. We could trade our No. 8 for extra picks. We could trade DC for a pick, even if it's lower than needed.

Spend our money on an IMPACT free agent, and then draft around him for the future.

Again, this is just my opinion. It's what I believe to be better than the previous five years of what we've BEEN doing.

Errant Hothy
03-04-2007, 09:31 PM
I don't agree with this move at all. Running backs just aren't any good after 30.

When you have to ask "does this running back have something left in the tank?", its a bad sign.

I'm getting a little tired of taking Denver and Green Bay's left overs.

A gift from Bob at www.houstonprofootball.com

RBs over 30 and their production
Just by random searches:

Marcus Allen did it five times: 1991, 92, 95, 96, 97.
Thurman Thomas four times: 1997, 98, 99, 2000.
Walter Payton three times: 1984, 85, 86.
Tiki Barber twice: 2005, 06 (over 5.0 both years).
Emmitt Smith twice: 1999, 2000.
Franco Harris twice: 1981, 82.
Eric Dickerson once: 1990.
Priest Holmes once: 2004.
Barry Sanders once: 1998.
Terry Allen once: 1998.
John Riggins once: 1979.
O.J. Simpson once: 1977.

That must have been some other stat you heard.

Fred Taylor and Warrick Dunn have also done it.

Errant Hothy
03-04-2007, 09:33 PM
Well, when we spend the money by spreading it out to 2 or 3 or 4 players...which we do...then there theoritically WOULD be enough money to lure a SINGLE free agent of IMPACT.

I'm of the belief that you bring in ONE big, impacting, player and draft around him to support him. Others think that you spread it out to a few players--Therefore, we're being cost-effective and managing our money better.

This is why Mario Williams was signed nearly three days before the draft: He was CHEAPER than Reggie and Vince. They tried to get the other two to come down, but they wouldn't. So they said (A) We need a pass rusher, and I believe that we did need one, by the way, and (B) He signed at the right price.

Anything missing here? We signed a player for No. 3 money, but got him at No. 1. We didn't want to get into the Bush-Young price battle that was raging between those two guys...it was an extension of the Heisman outcome and the Rose Bowl outcome...and we stayed out of the way, signing the player who would take what was given to him. Anything missing, here? I think that's a fairly solid theory from all that I have read on the issue.

It's no secret that we overpay average players. It's a pattern. There's an L.A. Clippers mentality to this team's FO. Manage, manage, manage. Gotta' be sensible in every way. Abd that philosophy leaks into our players' attitudes and the performance we see on the field: Manage, manage, manage. No risk taking. No creativity. It's a virus, guys.

Good is the enemy of GREAT.

We signed an elderly man to our team last year, Eric Moulds, and the reaction was the same as it is today with the AHman Green thread: "This is a good signing." or "It makes sense" or "Now we have a solid player to add a new dimension to our team" or blah-blah-blah.

I don't want to sell the farm for Nate Clements-type contracts. That is ignorant on every level, IMO. But I think we can do better than spreading it out to several players.

We could have so many draft picks, it'd be crazy. We could have traded out of the No. 1 last year for an extra pick or two. We could trade our No. 8 for extra picks. We could trade DC for a pick, even if it's lower than needed.

Spend our money on an IMPACT free agent, and then draft around him for the future.

Again, this is just my opinion. It's what I believe to be better than the previous five years of what we've BEEN doing.

So who's teh big name you wanted to sign for just 5 mil this year (5 mil was about the amount of cap space we had at the start of FA)?

And I don't totally disagree with you, I just looked at FA this year as not a year we would be able to make any big signings. Next year should be a completly different story.

TwinSisters
03-04-2007, 09:34 PM
(on if Broncos owner Pat Bowlen sent a plane for him) ďYes he did. It was commercial; American into Denver, which is OK.Ē

(on flying to Houston on Texans owner Bob McNairís private plane) ďI kind of expected that. In the free agency arena, I expected that. It was kind of a gesture to let you know how serious this team is.Ē

ahhh... note to self. Log Bob's private jet routes.

DL Currey
03-04-2007, 09:36 PM
Is this final and what do you think my fellow Texans...

IMO-I'm in favor of his signing. I also liked his comment about "taking it personal" if his QB got hit.

as a running back, when youíre watching SportsCenter and it says ĎDavid Carr has been sacked 100 times in a seasoní or some crazy number, Iíd have a heart attack. I donít care if itís (Green Bay QB) Brett (Favre) or a seventh-round draft pick quarterback in the backfield, it itís up to me, my quarterback is not getting touched. As a running back, you take it personal.

bckey
03-04-2007, 09:39 PM
No problem man, I'm there for you, just don't pick the pipe back up.

Seriously I understand that when you look at Green's career and set it alongside what Ron Dayne has done it's a gross mismatch in favor of Green. That's impossible to deny and I'm not trying to convince anyone of it.

What I am trying to say is that each one of those yards that Green fans want to point to and be proud of is a yard he ain't going to run for as a Texan. The man has 8500 yards on him and his last two seasons ypc (3.3 and 4.0) have been the lowest totals in his long career. This is not something that improves with additional years.

Dayne on the other hand has never been used properly and for us that's a good thing because he needs to be fed the ball heavily to be successful. Nobody has done that to him since he got to the NFL (coincidentally at the same time Tiki Barber emerged). Now we could do it but of course we won't. We'll be splitting time with Ahman Green (if we even sign Dayne at all) and neither one of them will be effective. Green because he's on the downside and Dayne because he's getting 10-12 carries a game and can't get going.

This signing in my opinion hurts the Texans. Once the 2007 is over I'll be around to gripe about it. Green probably won't though. He'll go the way of Eric Moulds and Stacy Mack. Riding off into the sunset with his signing bonus in hand and a big grin on his face.

I agree on all points.

TexanBorn51
03-04-2007, 09:40 PM
IMO-I'm in favor of his signing. I also liked his comment about "taking it personal" if his QB got hit.

as a running back, when youíre watching SportsCenter and it says ĎDavid Carr has been sacked 100 times in a seasoní or some crazy number, Iíd have a heart attack. I donít care if itís (Green Bay QB) Brett (Favre) or a seventh-round draft pick quarterback in the backfield, it itís up to me, my quarterback is not getting touched. As a running back, you take it personal.

Yeah I'm agreeing with you too. It appears that AG has not only running talents and good hands receiver but his blocking has been known to be very good too. By the way on my earlier post about comparing RB rushing stats and if the receving yardage is included in this or not. A RB with many more receiving stats then another would then apply vs his rushing stats..right?

TwinSisters
03-04-2007, 09:41 PM
A gift from Bob at www.houstonprofootball.com

RBs over 30 and their production

Fred Taylor and Warrick Dunn have also done it.

Did what?

I don't understand this stat line.
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EDIT: ok. So it's 4.0 yards per carry I think.

Two things:
Age doesn't matter as much as years played.

Years played does not matter as much as attempts/plays per year.

It's the hitting that tears a body up fast, not the sitting around and getting old.

A lot of those guys in that list did not play full seasons or had more than 200 attempts on the avg
Franco 82 in his 11th season.

Green is heading into his 10th season.

run-david-run
03-04-2007, 09:42 PM
I dont think this signing affects AD's potential drafting. Think Anthony Weaver before drafting Mario, but this would be at a much lower cost. Low risk, potentially high reward. I like it.

The Pencil Neck
03-04-2007, 09:50 PM
I'd much rather just watch a guy play on the field. Let me eyes make the decision for me. i.e. if some RB has great stats in college, it doesn't necessarily mean they'll translate to the NFL.

Most people don't get to see everyone play. All they're able to do is read the stat-line and see the highlights on ESPN.

Ahman Green has always struck me as a power version of Bryan Westbrook (before there was a Westbrook). He's a stronger runner but he's really good out of the backfield catching passes. I have not watched him much the past couple of years but a few years ago, he was really good but he didn't put up big stats. So... this would be the kind of guy you'd like. :)

But I haven't watched him much since coming back from his injuries. If the Packers guys say he's come back strong, then great. His age still worries me. If we can get a couple of good years from him, I'll be very happy.

GP
03-04-2007, 09:52 PM
So who's teh big name you wanted to sign for just 5 mil this year (5 mil was about the amount of cap space we had at the start of FA)?

And I don't totally disagree with you, I just looked at FA this year as not a year we would be able to make any big signings. Next year should be a completly different story.

I know we don't have the money this year. We've never had it, IIRC.

So I have absolutely no confidence that we WILL have it in the future. For some reason, we're just doomed as it pertains to signing free agents.

Something will happen to derail us from having that much needed cap space next year. Mark my words. It's going to happen.

We got a "bargain," but we can probably also expect to be less than thrilled for our "bargain."

The abounding positivity for this deal is amazing. It's an "eh" signing for me, nowhere near the "good signing" that I see plastered all over the place. I'm 95% of the time a very positive person. Last year I would have been thrilled with this move, but I am soured on it because it never benefits us in the long run.

TEXANRED
03-04-2007, 09:52 PM
No problem man, I'm there for you, just don't pick the pipe back up.

Seriously I understand that when you look at Green's career and set it alongside what Ron Dayne has done it's a gross mismatch in favor of Green. That's impossible to deny and I'm not trying to convince anyone of it.

What I am trying to say is that each one of those yards that Green fans want to point to and be proud of is a yard he ain't going to run for as a Texan. The man has 8500 yards on him and his last two seasons ypc (3.3 and 4.0) have been the lowest totals in his long career. This is not something that improves with additional years.

Dayne on the other hand has never been used properly and for us that's a good thing because he needs to be fed the ball heavily to be successful. Nobody has done that to him since he got to the NFL (coincidentally at the same time Tiki Barber emerged). Now we could do it but of course we won't. We'll be splitting time with Ahman Green (if we even sign Dayne at all) and neither one of them will be effective. Green because he's on the downside and Dayne because he's getting 10-12 carries a game and can't get going.

This signing in my opinion hurts the Texans. Once the 2007 is over I'll be around to gripe about it. Green probably won't though. He'll go the way of Eric Moulds and Stacy Mack. Riding off into the sunset with his signing bonus in hand and a big grin on his face.

So your saying that despite the fact that Green stays in shape, works hard, and has done nothing but produce on the field, is on the down side of his career due to the fact he came into the league in 98, even though is first two years in Seattle he had 35, and 26 attempts for the season. BUT, Dayne who is a dough nut away from playing Chef in a live action South Park is actually getting better even though he has been in the league since 2000, has proved he is a hot and cold runner, gets injured as a part time back, and runs down field like he is the little pig tailed girl from little house on the prairie in a field of daisy's.

Is that what I am to understand your opinion of the situation is?

2005 Green bay lost both pro-bowl guards and played behind a line that was full of rookies. That was also the season he got hurt and did not fully recover until 2006 where he put together another solid season.

Goldeagle
03-04-2007, 09:55 PM
Hmmm, another OLD RB to come to the team!

Yet no O-lineman or Defense help???

Texans_Chick
03-04-2007, 09:55 PM
The abounding positivity for this deal is amazing. It's an "eh" signing for me, nowhere near the "good signing" that I see plastered all over the place. I'm 95% of the time a very positive person. Last year I would have been thrilled with this move, but I am soured on it because it never benefits us in the long run.

I think it is a beggars can't be choosers signing.

Williams/Davis, Gado, Dayne, Taylor, Lundy. Not likely to get Peterson at 8. Ish.

keyfro
03-04-2007, 09:58 PM
the other thing to keep in mind is ron dayne is still likely to come back next year as well...if we go into training camp with green, williams, dayne, taylor, lundy, and gado...plus you know we'll bring in at least one udfa there will be a lot of competition...take into consideration that DW is probably on the trading block right now...with green here is completely expendable and while there is probably little to no interest out there for him there is a chance that if he restructures his deal we can move him with carr

just think green being the everydown back
dayne coming in for short yardage goalline situations
taylor/lundy/or gado spelling green when he gets tired

this is hands down a lot better of a situation that what we were in last year

atleast with green we don't have to change out RB's for screens and draws like we did with dayne last year

bckey
03-04-2007, 10:07 PM
A gift from Bob at www.houstonprofootball.com

RBs over 30 and their production

Fred Taylor and Warrick Dunn have also done it.

You didn't state what Bob was talking about which was average more than 4 yards per carry after their 30th birthday. I will also say that is an elite group of running backs. How many achieved 1000 yards while producing over 4 yards per carry average?

The 5 years listed for Marcus Allen not even 1 was 1000 yards or even close.

The 4 years listed for Thurman Thomas only 1 was over 500 yards.

Emmitt Smith was over 1000 yards both seasons.

The 2 years listed for Franco Harris were under 1000 yards.

The 1 year for Eric Dickerson was 677 yards.

Priest Holmes 892 yards.

Barry Sanders was over 1000 yards with 1491 yards. (awesome)

Terry Allen was under 1000 yards with 700 even.

John Riggins was over 1000 yards with 1153.

O. J. Simpson was an underwhelming 557 yards.

Fred Taylor was over 1000 yards with 1146.

Warrick Dunn was over 1000 yards with 1140.


So out of all those backs you have 5 that rushed for more than 1000 yards after age 30 averaging over 4 yds per carry. And only 2 of them (Emmitt Smith and Barry Sanders) blew past 1000 yards by an significant margin.

petedy
03-04-2007, 10:10 PM
It is a good signing and he is a team player that will contribute to the younger guys experience.His injuries has slowed him down a bit can still add a lot to the team.

Texan Asylum
03-04-2007, 10:17 PM
This is how I look at this...

As long as we can bring in new blood, and get as far away from the old tradition of losing that's plagued this team for years...the better.

The loyalist in me wishes that the old guard could come along for the ride, but the realist in me realizes that the further we get away from the old team, the better chance we have in cultivating a new tradition here...the tradition of winning at all costs!

jdog
03-04-2007, 10:21 PM
why is it the Texans only go after Denver/Green Bay players? is it familarity & knowing they're undervalued/appreciated?

makes me think Plummer is next? make that a conditional 2008 draft pick :winky:

Free agents don't want to go to an unestablished, losing team unless there's a lot of money involved or some personal connection which is why we get a lot of FA's with Houston/Texas connections or connections to Denver/Green Bay. Moulds was attracted to playing with AJ otherwise we wouldn't have had him. Once we start winning, we can get FA's that aren't connected in some way.

STEEL BLUE TEXANS
03-04-2007, 10:24 PM
You didn't state what Bob was talking about which was average more than 4 yards per carry after their 30th birthday. I will also say that is an elite group of running backs. How many achieved 1000 yards while producing over 4 yards per carry average?

The 5 years listed for Marcus Allen not even 1 was 1000 yards or even close.

The 4 years listed for Thurman Thomas only 1 was over 500 yards.

Emmitt Smith was over 1000 yards both seasons.

The 2 years listed for Franco Harris were under 1000 yards.

The 1 year for Eric Dickerson was 677 yards.

Priest Holmes 892 yards.

Barry Sanders was over 1000 yards with 1491 yards. (awesome)

Terry Allen was under 1000 yards with 700 even.

John Riggins was over 1000 yards with 1153.

O. J. Simpson was an underwhelming 557 yards.

Fred Taylor was over 1000 yards with 1146.

Warrick Dunn was over 1000 yards with 1140.


So out of all those backs you have 5 that rushed for more than 1000 yards after age 30 averaging over 4 yds per carry. And only 2 of them (Emmitt Smith and Barry Sanders) blew past 1000 yards by an significant margin.





Curtis Martin rushed for 1300+ yards and 4.0 ypc when he was 30. The next season at 31, he rushed for 1697 yards at 4.6 ypc and won the rushing title.

Second Honeymoon
03-04-2007, 10:27 PM
I think it is a beggars can't be choosers signing.

Williams/Davis, Gado, Dayne, Taylor, Lundy. Not likely to get Peterson at 8. Ish.

Totally. Peterson could end up going #2 to Detroit. Dude is a freak athletically, he is a good guy who has overcome some adversity, and is a total gamer. That is a rare combination indeed. Contrary to popular opinion he has been pretty durable considering the number of touches and even returned kicks for crying out loud. He has gotten dinged but a collarbone injury is no big deal and it was from him getting a little carried away and celebrating by diving into the end zone (which by the way was one of the greatest runs I have seen in the past few years). He is not injury prone he is simply 'coming off an injury.'

I don't think the Texans brass are deluding themselves enough to think they have a chance at AP this year and the signing of Green only reinforces that mindset.

With the signing of Ahman Green now we can focus on addressing our team needs such as QB position or our defensive backfield. I think a lot of you may be surprised by how well Green can do when given the rock. Favre likes to air the ball out. Green's injury only expedited his diminishing role in the GB offense.

Barring injury Green will get upwards of 1000 yards rushing even in a non-featured back role. If we feed him I think we could milk 1300+ out of him this year.

Call me optimistic but I am actually a happy Texans fan today....kudos to Smith...one position down now bring us Deon Grant

Texas_Thrill
03-04-2007, 10:27 PM
I wasn't able to read all 12 pages of this thread but am I the ONLY one that doesn't like this Signing?

I think Dayne though not spectacular was very efficient. Green seems to be well past his prime. I don't see any good coming from him.

Is it me or is this the Cardinals version of Edge James?


I'm sorry just dont like it. Seems like a signing just to say we did something. I'd still rather see Taylor get some time and now he's even further down the depth chart.

STEEL BLUE TEXANS
03-04-2007, 10:29 PM
Corey Dillon had the best season of his career at 30 rushing for 1635 yards at 4.7 ypc.

Mike Anderson at age 32 rushed for 1014 yards at 4.2 ypc.

Priest Holmes at age 30 rushed for 1420 yards at 4.4 ypc.

Second Honeymoon
03-04-2007, 10:36 PM
I wasn't able to read all 12 pages of this thread but am I the ONLY one that doesn't like this Signing?

I think Dayne though not spectacular was very efficient. Green seems to be well past his prime. I don't see any good coming from him.

Is it me or is this the Cardinals version of Edge James?


I'm sorry just dont like it. Seems like a signing just to say we did something. I'd still rather see Taylor get some time and now he's even further down the depth chart.

It is the Cardinal's version of Edge James except for one HUGE factor. $$$$. We got Green for much less than they gave up for James. That factor alone makes it a worthwhile deal. the ONLY problem I have with Green is his fumbling...especially in key situations...we got enough of that around here with Davey's tired act

Kaiser Toro
03-04-2007, 10:40 PM
I like this signing very much. 6.5m bonus over 4 years for an accomplished player that had 1,000 yards coming back from an injury is value with potential upside. For once we did not overextend ourselves in FA.

It also sets up nicely in the draft in that it gives us options at #8 with most folks expecting us to go DL, CB or OT at the position, in essence we have leverage due to us being even more of a wild card. Leverage that we did not have before this sigining.

This gives Carr, unfortunately, in my opinion at least four more regular season games. I would rather have the 3.5 million upon his release, but this signing even puts blinders on my judgement to think...ok lets see what he can do with an accomplished NFL RB in the backfield.

If there are more OL FA's out there to provide depth this signing will have folks intrigued rather than apathetic to the state of the Texans.

This is not the greatest signing, but all around I think this is a solid signing with potential upside and not that much risk. Today is a good day to be a Texan. :texflag:

TwinSisters
03-04-2007, 10:52 PM
Curtis Martin rushed for 1300+ yards and 4.0 ypc when he was 30. The next season at 31, he rushed for 1697 yards at 4.6 ypc and won the rushing title.

only because Reinfeldt called down to muff Alexander's last rush in a contract year.

:D

valleytexfan
03-04-2007, 10:58 PM
I like it...gives us something concrete...Green is not a scrub...he can get things done, especially with the familiarity with Sherman. I like the deal. Let's hope we keep Ronnie Dayne too

Pantherstang84
03-04-2007, 11:09 PM
Well. I have read all 12 pages of this thread and usual, there are two sides to the issue. However, I have to take an exception to one point that keeps coming up.

"A Green is a slight upgrade over Dayne"

Are you kidding me? I mean really.

A proven back that has 5 Pro Bowl appearances is a slight upgrade over a guy that has underachieved his entire career?

True. Green is 30 years old but I think he has more left in the tank. At least another year or 2 left.

Regarding the draft...

Of course, if AP is available at #8, you grab him. ( I don't think he will be though.)

If he isn't, you don't have to burn your #8 on Landry either.

I just watched the DBs and OLs at the Combine on the NFL Network.

Folks. Both positions are deep in this years class. Lots of impressive kids.

One kid that impressed me a DB was out of Nevada. Wright was his name I think. The kid can fly and had very impressive foot work. However, there were a lot of others that raised their draft positions last weekend.


OLs

Very deep. Other than Thomas and some other kid (can't remember his name started with a K) that are expected to go in the 1st round. There were about 10-12 other kids that were impressive.


The Green signing reduced the Texans desperation at RB. If Peterson is gone, they can look to another position maybe Landry. We could potentially pick up 2 good DBs in the draft this year along with some quality OL.

Cheer up sour pusses. Things are looking up in Texan Country!

wilanthony
03-04-2007, 11:10 PM
Big Mistake. Ag Is Done. Everyone Is Writing Dw Off, But I Know Him Personally And I Know He Will Be Back. His Knee Will Be Just Find. If We Cut Him He Will Play Somewhere Else And Come Back To Bite Us In The Butt.

Kaiser Toro
03-04-2007, 11:13 PM
Big Mistake. Ag Is Done. Everyone Is Writing Dw Off, But I Know Him Personally And I Know He Will Be Back. His Knee Will Be Just Find. If We Cut Him He Will Play Somewhere Else And Come Back To Bite Us In The Butt.

I was a fan of DW, but saying AG is done while DW is not even through with rehab is a tad subjective. If DW were to be cut I would wish him the best.

PapaL
03-04-2007, 11:15 PM
So your saying that despite the fact that Green stays in shape, works hard, and has done nothing but produce on the field, is on the down side of his career due to the fact he came into the league in 98, even though is first two years in Seattle he had 35, and 26 attempts for the season. BUT, Dayne who is a dough nut away from playing Chef in a live action South Park is actually getting better even though he has been in the league since 2000, has proved he is a hot and cold runner, gets injured as a part time back, and runs down field like he is the little pig tailed girl from little house on the prairie in a field of daisy's.

Is that what I am to understand your opinion of the situation is?

2005 Green bay lost both pro-bowl guards and played behind a line that was full of rookies. That was also the season he got hurt and did not fully recover until 2006 where he put together another solid season.

Great post. Don't forget we took their starting Center as well. 3/5 starting OL gone.

freedoggy77
03-04-2007, 11:20 PM
http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/6529182

YEAHH!!!!

SamuraiSword
03-04-2007, 11:29 PM
Why?? if they've got their eyes on AD, and believes we won't take him, they'll know he'll fall past Miami & SanFran... moving up to the 11th pick is a lot easier on the pocket book.

Matter of fact, if AD get's past us, the only team anyone would worry about would be Carolina at 14.

AD?? You mean AP? Adrian Peterson?

Kaiser Toro
03-04-2007, 11:31 PM
AD?? You mean AP? Adrian Peterson?

It goes either way. Peterson's nickname is All-Day, AD.

swisher
03-04-2007, 11:33 PM
fans in green bay seem to be sad to see him leave.

http://www.packerchatters.com/index.php

Kind of reminds me how memphis fans felt about the Rockets getting shane battier.

potisyourfriend
03-04-2007, 11:34 PM
I was listening to 97.5 on my way home and they had that real nerdy guy that covers football for ESPN (he's always with Saun Salsbery (SP?). They were saying which teams are the Winners and Losers so far and he said Houston is a Loser right now.. Signing an old RB with a big contract.. He said the Packers wanted to keep him but for around 3-4 million a year..

Koolbrz
03-04-2007, 11:35 PM
just saw on nfl network texans agree to terms with ahmad green... sorry if allready posted



I kinda like the signing because he is way better than the backs we have now and gives our RB position some quality depth. I still believe that we need to draft a RB, maybe the likes of M. Lynch. If AP is still there they need to take him, but i really doubt he will be there. We need some young stud legs in the backfield.

At best we could get a couple of good yrs out of Green. We need to forget about Dayne and go with Green, Peterson/Lynch, and Taylor. JMO

keyfro
03-04-2007, 11:42 PM
well like i said before i think with green you don't have to draft a RB anymore...you can wait and get some of the better udfa's like a ramonce taylor or a courtney lewis...we already have two really young guys in taylor and lundry...gado isn't old by any means either...if we do re-sign dayne there's your powerback...and then you have the egnima of dominack williams...personally i see dw being released either before the draft or during training camp...but we have really good competition without drafting a guy going into TC...so why waste a pick on a RB when we have so many needs on this team...green provides a quick fix to the problem and we can look to next years crop of RB's for our future

Hervoyel
03-04-2007, 11:43 PM
So your saying that despite the fact that Green stays in shape, works hard, and has done nothing but produce on the field, is on the down side of his career due to the fact he came into the league in 98, even though is first two years in Seattle he had 35, and 26 attempts for the season. BUT, Dayne who is a dough nut away from playing Chef in a live action South Park is actually getting better even though he has been in the league since 2000, has proved he is a hot and cold runner, gets injured as a part time back, and runs down field like he is the little pig tailed girl from little house on the prairie in a field of daisy's.

Is that what I am to understand your opinion of the situation is?

2005 Green bay lost both pro-bowl guards and played behind a line that was full of rookies. That was also the season he got hurt and did not fully recover until 2006 where he put together another solid season.

Not at all TEXANRED, that would be your spin on what my opinion is and I'd hate for anyone to confuse that with what I said.

Regardless of their respective dates coming into the league I'm saying that Green has 1,871 carries on those legs and Ron Dayne has 789 carries on his. In 8 years he's carried the ball less than half as much as Green did in 10.

I don't like the signing and think it was money wasted. Still, I hope it works out.

swisher
03-04-2007, 11:49 PM
I was listening to 97.5 on my way home and they had that real nerdy guy that covers football for ESPN (he's always with Saun Salsbery (SP?). They were saying which teams are the Winners and Losers so far and he said Houston is a Loser right now.. Signing an old RB with a big contract.. He said the Packers wanted to keep him but for around 3-4 million a year..


Yeah, John Clayton thinks we over paid him. But what free agent doesn't get over paid?