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bATXle red
03-02-2007, 03:26 PM
The Texans are pursuing free agent quarterback Jeff Garcia, who was not offered a new contract by Philadelphia.

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/fb/texansfront/4596957.html

Clash_Fan3605
03-02-2007, 03:28 PM
I also heard they were pursuing Ashley Lelie, Ken Hamlin, & Eric Steinbach via links & the chron. If we could get all of these and Landry that would be great! Problem is chances of that happening are slim. I hope we get Garcia, Steinbach, & Hamlin.

santo
03-02-2007, 03:29 PM
I also heard they were pursuing Ashley Lelie, Ken Hamlin, & Eric Steinbach. If we could get all of these and Landry that would be great! Problem is chances of that happening are slim. I hope we get Garcia, Steinbach, & Hamlin.


Those three would be awesome!!


:yes:

TEXANRED
03-02-2007, 03:30 PM
The Texans are pursuing free agent quarterback Jeff Garcia, who was not offered a new contract by Philadelphia.

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/fb/texansfront/4596957.html

Quick, how is he connected to Denver or Greenbay?

Clash_Fan3605
03-02-2007, 03:31 PM
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/fb/texansfront/4596957.html

he might be going to Oakland. I hope we snag Garcia & others.

dbspi
03-02-2007, 03:32 PM
Just heard this news on 610. I think this is a good move to pursue Garcia and hopefully signing him to shorter term contract of maybe 2 years.

Other news I heard is that Texans are interested in acquiring more draft picks and are very reluctant to trade away any draft picks. Good move. This is the reason they backed away from Plummer deal.

titan hater
03-02-2007, 03:32 PM
The Texans are pursuing free agent quarterback Jeff Garcia, who was not offered a new contract by Philadelphia.

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/fb/texansfront/4596957.html

This make sense...Then we will be free to do what ever we want in the draft...ala trade back and get a couple more picks...or...put a package together to move up...or...Grab Quinn with the 8th pick...or...Oh Darn!! I gotta a headache!!!

Texans_Chick
03-02-2007, 03:34 PM
Because.

I'm.

Evil........







http://www.pathguy.com/jeff_garcia2.jpg


I guess if we draft Garcia, we won't have any fans mad that he is growing his hair too long.

Reddevil63
03-02-2007, 03:37 PM
I see your topless Garcia and raise you his wifey


http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en/thumb/9/9b/230px-Carmella_DeCesare.jpg

NEROtheZERO
03-02-2007, 03:38 PM
Just posturing, IMO.

I wouldn't be opposed to Garcia being our QB, in fact, I'd prefer it to Plummer but I don't know we could afford him. I think our FO is doing everything possible to convince Denver to cut Jake.

carter08
03-02-2007, 03:38 PM
Garcia is an upgrade on Carr

bATXle red
03-02-2007, 03:40 PM
Garcia is an upgrade on Carr

he looks to be greasier than carr as well

Ole Miss Texan
03-02-2007, 03:43 PM
Damn, is that really his wife? wasn't she in Playboy?...i mean i was told she was in play boy once....i gotta go.

Clash_Fan3605
03-02-2007, 03:43 PM
I see your topless Garcia and raise you his wifey


http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en/thumb/9/9b/230px-Carmella_DeCesare.jpg

Now that is just amazing!!!

:perfect10:

The Pencil Neck
03-02-2007, 03:44 PM
he might be going to Oakland. I hope we snag Garcia & others.

Garcia played for Mariucci.

Mariucci was an assistant coach under Holmgren at Green Bay.

Reddevil63
03-02-2007, 03:44 PM
Damn, is that really his wife? wasn't she in Playboy?...i mean i was told she was in play boy once....i gotta go.Yep, Carmella Decesare-Garcia

kcwilson
03-02-2007, 03:44 PM
I see your topless Garcia and raise you his wifey


http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en/thumb/9/9b/230px-Carmella_DeCesare.jpg

If Garcia doesn't come here as our QB, then at least get him in here to negotiate our contracts with Free Agents. WTF?!?!? How did he land her?

The Pencil Neck
03-02-2007, 03:45 PM
I see your topless Garcia and raise you his wifey


http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en/thumb/9/9b/230px-Carmella_DeCesare.jpg

Thank you.

TEXANRED
03-02-2007, 03:45 PM
I see your topless Garcia and raise you his wifey


http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en/thumb/9/9b/230px-Carmella_DeCesare.jpg

I thought Garcia was a rat?

I guess T.O. can't smell.

tulexan
03-02-2007, 03:48 PM
Quick, how is he connected to Denver or Greenbay?

Jeff Garcia used to play on the 49ers. While on the 49ers he was coached by Steve Mariucci, Steve Mariucci was the QB coach of the Green Bay Packers from 1992-1995.

cj5776
03-02-2007, 03:50 PM
Those three would be awesome!!


:yes:

I am sure we will just land one of the three... I still think we are checking Garcia to see how he compares to Carr, so the FO can get a proper gage as far as the trade value of Carr. I still do not see Texans brass as wanting Garcia. That is just my 2 cents.

Texan_Bill
03-02-2007, 03:50 PM
I see your topless Garcia and raise you his wifey


http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en/thumb/9/9b/230px-Carmella_DeCesare.jpg

VERY NICE!!!

bATXle red
03-02-2007, 03:52 PM
I see your topless Garcia and raise you his wifey


http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en/thumb/9/9b/230px-Carmella_DeCesare.jpg

not only is she his but she fights girls for him

01/05
"Two women fighting over Brown's quarterback Jeff Garcia? Strange, but true and it happened last summer after Jeff dated Kristen Hine, 32, a few times, then dumped her for Carmella DeCesare, 22, reigning Playboy Playmate of the Year. The three bumped into each other in August in August at a Warehouse District dance club and the resulting catfight between the gals has DeCesare on trial in Cleveland Municipal Court for misdemeanor assault. During the trial, Hine testified that after the ladies exchanged words, she tried to walk away but DeCesare grabbed a dance pole for support and karate-kicked her in the head! (At right, a photo of Carmella DeCesare in the courtroom."
http://www.badjocks.com/archive/2005/jan0905.htm


KARATE KICK TO THE HEAD!

Porky
03-02-2007, 04:02 PM
Jeff Garcia used to play on the 49ers. While on the 49ers he was coached by Steve Mariucci, Steve Mariucci was the QB coach of the Green Bay Packers from 1992-1995.

Aha! There is a link to the Pack. I knew it!

I personally feel Plummer is a better fit in this offense. But, not having to give up a draft pick makes sense if they can land Garcia. But, let's remember the last time he was in an under talented offense, he wasn't very good. However, at this point, it's ABC for me. At least we can ***** at someone new this yr when he screws up.

I say with Carr - 3-5 wins
With Garcia - 6-8 wins
With Plummer - 7-9 wins

(pending what else I see in FA and tthe draft, just my initial take)

And how in the name of everything holy does Jeff Garcia land this woman. My God, without a doubt one of the most gorgous women I have ever seen in my life. She is almost to good to be true. Like a friggin masterpiece.
:perfect10:

kiwitexansfan
03-02-2007, 04:09 PM
IF we land Garcia who do you see being groomed to the QB of the future??

Does this mean we are hoping for Quinn to come tumbling down to us??

Clash_Fan3605
03-02-2007, 04:10 PM
IF we land Garcia who do you see being groomed to the QB of the future??

Does this mean we are hoping for Quinn to come tumbling down to us??

Trade up to get Brady Brohm next year?? I have no idea, just a (bad?) thought

Chance_C
03-02-2007, 04:11 PM
Damn, is that really his wife? wasn't she in Playboy?...i mean i was told she was in play boy once....i gotta go

lol.....me too!

Wow, we need him here just to see her.

titan hater
03-02-2007, 04:11 PM
IF we land Garcia who do you see being groomed to the QB of the future??

Does this mean we are hoping for Quinn to come tumbling down to us??


IMO thats it...

El Tejano
03-02-2007, 04:11 PM
I just remember how bad Garcia was when he had pressure all the time in Detroit.

Meloy
03-02-2007, 04:12 PM
610's Rich Lord just mentioned Garcia and said "Reports out of California insist Garcia has already signed with Oakland". Now that is interesting.

Blu
03-02-2007, 04:16 PM
610's Rich Lord just mentioned Garcia and said "Reports out of California insist Garcia has already signed with Oakland". Now that is interesting.
yeah...and they also reported Nate Clements signed with San Fran...
I think 610 is just surfing the msg brds.....just like us.

The Pencil Neck
03-02-2007, 04:17 PM
610's Rich Lord just mentioned Garcia and said "Reports out of California insist Garcia has already signed with Oakland". Now that is interesting.

Talk about a bad fit.

AtheGreat
03-02-2007, 04:17 PM
i could care less about jeffery, can we start FA negotiations with Ms. Garcia?

that'll get all those fans back in the seats we lost to "he-who-shall-not-be-named".

Meloy
03-02-2007, 04:19 PM
yeah...and they also reported Nate Clements signed with San Fran...
I think 610 is just surfing the msg brds.....just like us.Well didn't Clemments sign with 49ers? I thought the MB said it was all over but the signing. Someone said $23million total first year. I'm so confused.

Meloy
03-02-2007, 04:20 PM
i could care less about jeffery, can we start FA negotiations with Ms. Garcia?

that'll get all those fans back in the seats we lost to "he-who-shall-not-be-named".
She can karate kick me twice a day!:shades:

Lucky
03-02-2007, 04:21 PM
610's Rich Lord just mentioned Garcia and said "Reports out of California insist Garcia has already signed with Oakland". Now that is interesting.
The Bay area station KNBR 1050 just reported that Garcia is now negotiating with the Raiders, but has not signed.

Andrew6
03-02-2007, 04:26 PM
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/writers/don_banks/03/02/qb.analysis/index.html?eref=si_nfl

Meloy
03-02-2007, 04:26 PM
MClAIN ON 610 TO DISCUSS & SAID HE IS UPSET>

dirty steve
03-02-2007, 04:32 PM
he doesnt sound upset--but said that garcia to oakland "doesnt" make sense.

HuttoKarl
03-02-2007, 04:33 PM
I may not have heard it right, but I don't think he said he was upset at all. He's on right now on 610am http://www.sportsradio610.com/ and they stream.

What may he be upset about? Garcia signing in Oakland? That just puts us one step closer to Peterson.

WillyP
03-02-2007, 04:34 PM
can someone repeat what McClain just said about Plummer and the Broncos and three years?

Errant Hothy
03-02-2007, 04:34 PM
Can somebody re-cap when he's done.

Nawzer
03-02-2007, 04:34 PM
I see your topless Garcia and raise you his wifey


http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en/thumb/9/9b/230px-Carmella_DeCesare.jpg

Can we sign her? Please!!!:doot:

HuttoKarl
03-02-2007, 04:34 PM
can someone repeat what McClain just said about Plummer and the Broncos and three years?

probably that if Jake retires, the Broncs have his rights for three years.

DoCRoN
03-02-2007, 04:37 PM
can someone repeat what McClain just said about Plummer and the Broncos and three years?

Yeah - Denver owns Plummer's rights for 3 years. He can't do anyting with another team for 3 years unless the Bronco's let him, either through trade or release. This is true even if he retires...

It has been said that he doesn't want to compete for a starting job, so a team would have to grant him the starting job before he'll come out of retirement. That's how I understand it, anyways...

The Pencil Neck
03-02-2007, 04:42 PM
Yeah - Denver owns Plummer's rights for 3 years. He can't do anyting with another team for 3 years unless the Bronco's let him, either through trade or release. This is true even if he retires...

It has been said that he doesn't want to compete for a starting job, so a team would have to grant him the starting job before he'll come out of retirement. That's how I understand it, anyways...


I don't want anyone granted anything. If you can't win it, you don't deserve it.

DoCRoN
03-02-2007, 04:44 PM
I don't want anyone granted anything. If you can't win it, you don't deserve it.

Couldn't agree more. Given his "retirement", if we somehow end up w/ Jake Plummer then that means he has been "given" the starting job. I am strongly hoping against this!

cj5776
03-02-2007, 04:46 PM
What may he be upset about? Garcia signing in Oakland? That just puts us one step closer to Peterson.

So if Oakland does not take a QB, then OT Thomas might still be on the table for Clevaland?

AtheGreat
03-02-2007, 04:48 PM
yeah...im not seeing how that puts us any closer to AP in the draft. that just means that AP moves up on Oakland's draft board if they have a FA qb.

DoCRoN
03-02-2007, 04:51 PM
What may he be upset about? Garcia signing in Oakland? That just puts us one step closer to Peterson.

If Oakland signs Garcia, don't they still take Russell #1? I could see them playing Garcia for 1-2 years and allowing Russell to 'develop' ...

Besides, how does this change where Peterson will be drafted?

False Start
03-02-2007, 04:52 PM
Better Garcia than Plummer .

HuttoKarl
03-02-2007, 04:54 PM
yeah...im not seeing how that puts us any closer to AP in the draft. that just means that AP moves up on Oakland's draft board if they have a FA qb.

I'd guess that Oakland would take a serious look at Calvin Johnson and trade either Porter (who Cleveland has been talking about) or Moss. Cleveland could look toward Thomas or Russell or Quinn....and with TB not landing Plummer, then perhaps they start looking at whichever QB Cleveland doesn't take.

The next few teams go DT/DE or WR and we get Adrian!!!!

Lucky
03-02-2007, 04:56 PM
he doesnt sound upset--but said that garcia to oakland "doesnt" make sense.
Because McClain said that the Raiders had a terrible o-line and organization.

So, why would Garcia in Houston make sense, John?



can someone repeat what McClain just said about Plummer and the Broncos and three years?

Plummer's contract runs through '09. But, the Broncos would have to carry Plummer's cap hit the entire time in order to retain those rights. With the Broncos hot & heavy over so many FA's, that would surprise me. All they were getting out of Plummer was a 4th round pick, anyway. The Broncos will cut Plummer...eventually.

cj5776
03-02-2007, 05:03 PM
Sorry to get off track, but I my whole understanding was if Clevland did not take AP, then no one in between them and us would be interested in him. To me the only prospect that the Browns would want more than AP is OT Thomas and if Raiders take WR Johnson and if Lions take QB Russel, then $$$$$$$$!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

So Raiders taking Garcia could bring us AP

El Amigo Invisible
03-02-2007, 05:05 PM
Better Garcia than Plummer .

:yes:

nunusguy
03-02-2007, 05:07 PM
McClains wonders aloud why the Raiders would use their #1 on Russell and
not Calvin Johnson, who he says is being rated by some as one of the greatest prospects ever. I dunno, maybe because he's not a QB, and Russell is ?

Section 620
03-02-2007, 05:14 PM
I see your topless Garcia and raise you his wifey


http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en/thumb/9/9b/230px-Carmella_DeCesare.jpg

Man I think I would have to sign her to a PERSONAL SERVICES contract......Sorry somebody had to say it!:shades:

TexansSB07
03-02-2007, 05:20 PM
I see your topless Garcia and raise you his wifey


http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en/thumb/9/9b/230px-Carmella_DeCesare.jpg

if we can't sign Jeff Garcia, how about we sign Mrs. Garcia:marionaner:

Lucky
03-02-2007, 05:22 PM
Man I think I would have to sign her to a PERSONAL SERVICES contract......Sorry somebody had to say it!:shades:
So, McClain thinks the Texans will replace David Carr with a QB whose wife/girlfriend has her own porno site? :hmmm:

Maybe when :pigfly:

Reddevil63
03-02-2007, 05:24 PM
So, McClain thinks the Texans will replace David Carr with a QB whose wife/girlfriend has her own porno site? :hmmm:

Maybe when :pigfly:

That is a whole other discussion to get into, but Jeff has been nothing but a stand up guy.

Lucky
03-02-2007, 05:26 PM
That is a whole other discussion to get into...
What "whole other discussion"? We're discussing the possibility of Jeff Garcia signing with the Texans. You don't think his wife's profession would be a consideration?

Reddevil63
03-02-2007, 05:31 PM
What "whole other discussion"? We're discussing the possibility of Jeff Garcia signing with the Texans. You don't think his wife's profession would be a consideration?
No I dont, and I also dont consider what she does porn, which was the other discussion I was refering to.

Second Honeymoon
03-02-2007, 05:31 PM
So, McClain thinks the Texans will replace David Carr with a QB whose wife/girlfriend has her own porno site? :hmmm:

Maybe when :pigfly:

Since when does a player's wife/girlfriend matter? I would hardly call having a spread in Playboy pornography? She is a nude model and a damn good one at that I might add. It's not like she is doing donkey shows or gonzo porn. She like MANY women has posed in Playboy....big f'in deal. All you self righteous losers need to realize that your morals are just that YOUR MORALS. Don't force them or expect our franchise to live up to your religious or moral restrictions. It's a woman's body which is God's most beautiful creation. Grow up and get out of the Middle Ages. Garcia would be a great addition but something tells me he wants to go to Oakland and be back in Northern California.

It doesnt matter anyway, because we are getting Plummer. It's in the cards and Plummer knows we want him thus the 'retirement'.

40-18 as Bronco's starter. Best record of NFL starter in NFL last 4 years except Brady and Manning. Why wouldn't we want him for next to nothing?

Anyways, with Garcia's wife she could wear a white t-shirt to games and fans could pour beer on her and we could have impromptu wet t-shirt contests....

Lucky
03-02-2007, 05:33 PM
No I dont, and I also dont consider what she does porn, which was the other discussion I was refering to.
Well, it's softcore pornography. I bet Bob McNair would agree with that.

Stampede
03-02-2007, 05:35 PM
if we can't sign Jeff Garcia, how about we sign Mrs. Garcia:marionaner:

I wonder if she can unscrew those two front teeth? :tease:

afcman
03-02-2007, 05:40 PM
they’re trying to sign Garcia, who would replace David Carr as their starter.

Man I hope this happens. We need a serious kick and this could just be it. Fantastic news. This gives me hope that the new coaches and GM know what they're doing and I can't wait for the draft.

:doot:

Second Honeymoon
03-02-2007, 05:40 PM
Well, it's softcore pornography. I bet Bob McNair would agree with that.

I bet Bob owns a subscription to Playboy for crying out loud. It's nude modeling and surely far from pornography. She didn't pose in Big 'Uns, Cheri, Hustler, Barely Legal, or even Penthouse. She did Playboy just like many celebrities, movie stars, models, and fine young women have done over the past 60 years.

infantrycak
03-02-2007, 05:40 PM
What "whole other discussion"? We're discussing the possibility of Jeff Garcia signing with the Texans. You don't think his wife's profession would be a consideration?

His wife gets naked. Eye of the beholder and all, but I don't call that porno and would think it pretty ridiculous if the Texans let that stop them from signing a player.

Lucky
03-02-2007, 05:44 PM
His wife gets naked. Eye of the beholder and all, but I don't call that porno and would think it pretty ridiculous if the Texans let that stop them from signing a player.
Well, she has a paysite where she charges for nude pics. Maybe movies. And I not taking into account what you or I might consider pornography. I just think Bob McNair would. Ridiculous or not.

Reddevil63
03-02-2007, 05:45 PM
Well, she has a paysite where she charges for nude pics. Maybe movies. And I not taking into account what you or I might consider pornography. I just think Bob McNair would. Ridiculous or not.
Considering the Texans are seeking Garcia's services, it would seem not.

TexanSam
03-02-2007, 05:47 PM
It's almost flat-out obvious the Texans are trying to get rid of David Carr. They want Jake Plummer here, but they look like they're going to wait until he's cut and if he doesn't retire. They are also interested in Jeff Garcia and have "entertained" trade talks about David Carr. I'm guessing Carr will be traded for something this offseason. Yes yes I know, what a far-fetched idea.

Second Honeymoon
03-02-2007, 05:47 PM
Well, she has a paysite where she charges for nude pics. Maybe movies. And I not taking into account what you or I might consider pornography. I just think Bob McNair would. Ridiculous or not.

maybe movies? she is not a porn actress. something tells me Garcia can manage to have a monogymous partner without having to 'loan' her out to make money. I think the bills are getting paid already. I will say I find it surprising that she is selling pics of herself naked on her website. Who the hell pays for porn on the internet anyway (much less topless photos)? what noobs :)

bad
03-02-2007, 05:48 PM
Well, she has a paysite where she charges for nude pics. Maybe movies.
Link, please. :woot2



j/k

Tulip
03-02-2007, 05:48 PM
McClain just said on the radio that Garcia is close to closing a deal with Oakland.

Lucky
03-02-2007, 05:50 PM
Considering the Texans are seeking Garcia's services, it would seem not.
That's John McClain's report. Doesn't make it true.

BTW, McClain just reported via 610 AM that Garcia is close to signing with Oakland. That also may or may not be true.

SESupergenius
03-02-2007, 05:51 PM
They are just trying to upgrade positions. They bring in Plummer or Garcia and immediately there is competition at the QB position. They are not guaranteeing that they will be the starter, which may be a factor in why they are not coming here.

McClain and 610 are two peas in a pod when it come to hating Carr, this is root of all the dissention. If Carr would have beat out those two in camp, somehow those two would have found a way to say that it was because we didn't pick Vince Young. :stirpot:

Second Honeymoon
03-02-2007, 05:51 PM
McClain just said on the radio that Garcia is close to closing a deal with Oakland.

exactly. plummer is probably 48 hours away from being our new starting QB and Carr is probably 48 hours from a new team and 1 season away from the Arena League or NFL Europe. The universe is finally fixing itself.

OT - Peyton Manning is gonna be on SNL. The dude is a huge cheater and I hate him but he is actually pretty talented/funny in front of a camera. Can't wait to check it out.

nunusguy
03-02-2007, 05:52 PM
His wife gets naked. Eye of the beholder and all, but I don't call that porno and would think it pretty ridiculous if the Texans let that stop them from signing a player.
C'mon, get real. McNair does not allow this kind of stuff in his squeeky clean organization.
Back to football: McClain says the Texans are settled and happy with Eric Winston at RT (no more talk of moving him inside I guess), and they have resigned Salaam.

Lucky
03-02-2007, 05:58 PM
If the Texans think like this we will always be a sorry team...
McNair will stick to his convictions and conduct business his way. I think there is something to be said for that.

David's Busted Carr
03-02-2007, 05:59 PM
Why the heck do we want Garcia? The guy is OLD. He's a good QB for a team that ONLY needs a QB. We have a ton of needs. A QB is alone is not going to put us over the top.... Let another team overpay him...

TEXANRED
03-02-2007, 05:59 PM
Jeff Garcia used to play on the 49ers. While on the 49ers he was coached by Steve Mariucci, Steve Mariucci was the QB coach of the Green Bay Packers from 1992-1995.

I'm telling ya, 6 degree's of seperation.

Reddevil63
03-02-2007, 06:04 PM
McNair will stick to his convictions and conduct business his way. I think there is something to be said for that.
So what other players has McNair turned down because of their wife's profession? Obviously there has to have been a precedent for you to feel this strongly about it.

rickyb
03-02-2007, 06:04 PM
yeah...im not seeing how that puts us any closer to AP in the draft. that just means that AP moves up on Oakland's draft board if they have a FA qb.

IF Garcia at Oakland then {
......C.Johnson = 1.01;
......J.Russell = 1.03;
}

ergo....one step closer to AD.
But it is all much ado about nothing: someone will trade up to get AD even if 1.01 - 1.03 go as above.

Lucky
03-02-2007, 06:17 PM
Obviously there has to have been a precedent for you to feel this strongly about it.
Precedent? Have you been following the Texans very long? Take a little time and read this interview with McNair (http://www.bizjournals.com/houston/stories/2003/08/25/story6.html). I think you can get a feel for who he is.

HBJ: You mentioned tattoos. Do you have a rule on your team against them?

McNair: No, no. We have some players who have tattoos. But, I mean, if they had one tattoo, so be it. But if players show up and their whole body is tattooed, I mean, everybody looks at them, like that is the extreme. Like that's a freak. What is that?

HBJ: Would you not sign a player like that?

McNair: Oh, I wouldn't judge it on the basis of a tattoo, but probably that would not be the only sign of their personality. What we look for is the behavior of the players, and, you know, I just use the tattoo -- the tattoo is not a big thing. I don't want to make it appear that way, because it's not. What we are looking for are players who recognize they are role models, whether they want to be or not. The people in the community, and youngsters in the community, are going to be watching them, and it's important they behave in a way that brings credit to our team and to the community. I think if you do that, then the fans love you. If you bring discredit to the team and discredit to the community, then it's a turnoff.

HBJ: What about a player with a checkered past?

McNair: We avoid 'em. We avoid 'em. We don't want 'em.

HBJ: If there is a player who violates the league's substance abuse policy?

McNair: If there was a player who had been involved in spousal abuse, we don't want 'em. That's just being a bully. That's not being a sportsman. We want people who are good sportsmen, good athletes. Not bullies.

HBJ: So it's not "Just win, baby."

McNair: No. Not at all. We believe strongly that character counts, and it counts in your performance, and it counts when the going gets close, because to have character you have to be disciplined, and if you are disciplined, then under pressure you still perform, and you won't make that mental error. Those who are undisciplined are the ones who tend to break down. I think it shows on the playing field, just as it does off the field.

NATHANHALE
03-02-2007, 06:20 PM
Why the heck do we want Garcia? The guy is OLD. He's a good QB for a team that ONLY needs a QB. We have a ton of needs. A QB is alone is not going to put us over the top.... Let another team overpay him...

...a QB affects the play of everyone on the offense and the attitude of the entire team

Reddevil63
03-02-2007, 06:26 PM
I respect your opinion, I just dont think that Jeff Garcia has been anything other than a stand up guy his entire career. So if McNair cares so much as to say they won't sign a player based on their spouses career choice, its going to be a long time before this team is competitive.

afcman
03-02-2007, 06:30 PM
...a QB affects the play of everyone on the offense and the attitude of the entire team

BINGO. You get a 'get out of jail free' card. Let's hope the owner, coach, and GM get it too.

hollywood_texan
03-02-2007, 06:32 PM
This McNair quote is what really concerns me about the Texans.

From Lucky's post:

McNair: No. Not at all. We believe strongly that character counts, and it counts in your performance, and it counts when the going gets close, because to have character you have to be disciplined, and if you are disciplined, then under pressure you still perform, and you won't make that mental error. Those who are undisciplined are the ones who tend to break down. I think it shows on the playing field, just as it does off the field.


Being a Bible thumper or a Dirt Bag has nothing to do if you can do certain things in life, for example, run a business, dunk a basketball, pass a test, and so on. If McNair thinks someone is going to make less mistakes because they are a better person, he is really mistaken. The two have nothing to do with one another.

This is getting off topic from the thread, but I think the biggest problem the Texans have is McNair and these stupid rules or logic ideas he has. Which in turns translates into the Carr situation. Applying the quote above to Carr, you can totally understand why Carr will be the Texans QB for his entire career, or has lasted as long as he has.

To get back on topic, how is Garcia a better person than Carr? He isn't. Therefore, Carr is a better a player than Garcia. Which is the logic according to McNair and why the Texans won't land Garcia, for other reasons as well. Unless, Kubiak is getting McNair to stop putting his influence in personnel using logic that doesn't work.

Honestly, though I don't know if Garica is really such a good idea, but it should be judged what happens on the field.

Gezzzz.....

JAXwithanX
03-02-2007, 06:35 PM
When coach Gary Kubiak was the offensive coordinator at Denver, the Broncos tried to acquire Garcia but couldn’t pull it off.

That says a lot. Go ahead and count on this happening....

afcman
03-02-2007, 06:39 PM
Garcia ain't no Pacman. Adults can do adult stuff on their own time so long as it's legal and consenting, no on gets hurt, etc.

A thread on this stuff should be somewhere else. The topic was Garcia. And I hope we get him. We need SOMETHING to get jazzed about. At least show the fans that the team is willing to make bold moves to right the ship. I'm sick of the boring, losing attitude.

Nothing against Carr personally but I've seen enough. It's not TOTALLY the fault of the O-line.

NFLforher
03-02-2007, 06:41 PM
The Texans are pursuing free agent quarterback Jeff Garcia, who was not offered a new contract by Philadelphia.

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/fb/texansfront/4596957.html


I like Garcia for the short term.

afcman
03-02-2007, 06:49 PM
Isn't it ironic that we have a need at QB and RB. Hmmmmm.............

Oh, to go back in time........

2BCF
03-02-2007, 07:02 PM
Well, she has a paysite where she charges for nude pics. Maybe movies. And I not taking into account what you or I might consider pornography. I just think Bob McNair would. Ridiculous or not.

That's as ridiculous as the comments saying that McNair has only kept Carr because he has a secret love interest for him.

nunusguy
03-02-2007, 07:06 PM
Tim Melton with ABC13 reporting the Texans are going to be talking with
Broncos FA OLineman Cooper Carlisle.
http://www.denverbroncos.com/page.php?id=498&contentID=707

Clash_Fan3605
03-02-2007, 07:10 PM
Tim Melton with ABC13 reporting the Texans are going to be talking with
Broncos FA OLineman Cooper Carlisle.
http://www.denverbroncos.com/page.php?id=498&contentID=707

Could this guy be a starter or would he just be depth? I don't know much about him.

DomDavis
03-02-2007, 07:13 PM
The negotations with Garcia and the Raiders are at an impasse.

http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/chronicle/archive/2007/03/02/SPGSTOEE2V3.DTL

Hervoyel
03-02-2007, 07:15 PM
Why the heck do we want Garcia? The guy is OLD. He's a good QB for a team that ONLY needs a QB. We have a ton of needs. A QB is alone is not going to put us over the top.... Let another team overpay him...


This may come as a shock to you but replacing 80% of our roster with better players wouldn't "put us over the top". We're a long way from even seeing the top (it's up there if you look real hard and if the clouds don't cover it). What we need is a "caretaker" QB who can hold the job down for a year or two, play at a reasonably high level (higher than anything David's come close to in 5 years at least), and keep the seat warm while a young QB develops behind him.

It should be a blinding flash of the obvious that Jeff Garcia is literally a perfect answer to that need.

He is old but he's also in amazing shape and he still clearly loves the game and the competition (even after stints in Cleveland and Detroit if you can believe that). Find me a 37 year old player at any position who still plays like Garcia did last year and I'll show you a guy I want on my team.

aj.
03-02-2007, 07:17 PM
Raiders - who are about $9 million under the $109 million salary cap


Damm ... I thought we were in bad shape...

potisyourfriend
03-02-2007, 07:35 PM
I completely forgot about Garcia.. I don't know if anyone mentioned it but Garcia is supposed to meet with the Texans.. I'd rather him over anyone that's on the market QB wise..

afcman
03-02-2007, 07:41 PM
What we need is a "caretaker" QB who can hold the job down for a year or two, play at a reasonably high level (higher than anything David's come close to in 5 years at least), and keep the seat warm while a young QB develops behind him.

Yep.

Nighthawk
03-02-2007, 07:43 PM
Precedent? Have you been following the Texans very long? Take a little time and read this interview with McNair (http://www.bizjournals.com/houston/stories/2003/08/25/story6.html). I think you can get a feel for who he is.

this tattoo stuff is beyond ridiculous and self-evidently NOT what's governing (or even figuring heavily into) our choice of players. it's just the misguided ramblings of a guy (mcNair) who ought not be talking to the press about such things.

As to Garcia's wife/girlfriend--what, is she an ex-Playbody model or something? Unless she's out and out in the pornography business (as opposed to the "glamour" business) I doubt the Texans or McNair care one way or the other.

Nighthawk
03-02-2007, 07:47 PM
This McNair quote is what really concerns me about the Texans.

From Lucky's post:

McNair: No. Not at all. We believe strongly that character counts, and it counts in your performance, and it counts when the going gets close, because to have character you have to be disciplined, and if you are disciplined, then under pressure you still perform, and you won't make that mental error. Those who are undisciplined are the ones who tend to break down. I think it shows on the playing field, just as it does off the field.


Being a Bible thumper or a Dirt Bag has nothing to do if you can do certain things in life, for example, run a business, dunk a basketball, pass a test, and so on. If McNair thinks someone is going to make less mistakes because they are a better person, he is really mistaken. The two have nothing to do with one another.

This is getting off topic from the thread, but I think the biggest problem the Texans have is McNair and these stupid rules or logic ideas he has. Which in turns translates into the Carr situation. Applying the quote above to Carr, you can totally understand why Carr will be the Texans QB for his entire career, or has lasted as long as he has.

To get back on topic, how is Garcia a better person than Carr? He isn't. Therefore, Carr is a better a player than Garcia. Which is the logic according to McNair and why the Texans won't land Garcia, for other reasons as well. Unless, Kubiak is getting McNair to stop putting his influence in personnel using logic that doesn't work.

Honestly, though I don't know if Garica is really such a good idea, but it should be judged what happens on the field.

Gezzzz.....

Second the motion.

To believe that Carr can be good because he's "nice" is way beyond dumb.

I am terrified to think that thought of this kind gets anywhere near the team's decision making. If it does it explains a good deal about the Texans' miserable showing the last 5 years.

Texans_Chick
03-02-2007, 08:24 PM
Precedent? Have you been following the Texans very long? Take a little time and read this interview with McNair (http://www.bizjournals.com/houston/stories/2003/08/25/story6.html). I think you can get a feel for who he is.

Yeah. Of course there are sorta exceptions...

Babin has a few tattoos that draw attention to himself.

Or you know, if you have no defensive tackles and have to fill in....

link (http://www.sportsbooks.com/news/sports_betting/179861.html)

April 21, 2006

OLATHE, Kan. (AP) -A misdemeanor charge of domestic battery against Kansas City Chiefs defensive lineman Lional Dalton was dismissed.

Dalton was scheduled to go on trial Friday, but the case was dismissed because the alleged victim, Dalton's wife, Kimberly, failed to appear for the trial. It was the second time she had not shown up, said Assistant District Attorney Jacqie Spradling.

Dalton was accused of grabbing his wife's hair and pulling her down early on Nov. 25 when she visited him for Thanksgiving. He had pleaded not guilty.

Texans_Chick
03-02-2007, 08:28 PM
I am terrified to think that thought of this kind gets anywhere near the team's decision making. If it does it explains a good deal about the Texans' miserable showing the last 5 years.


There's a balance that has to be struck.

Between being too interested in niiiice and character as judged by an oldish rich white guy or being a bunch of thugs that get derailed or undisciplined guys who can't function well as a team.

It's a continuum--maybe you don't want a bunch of boy scouts in a game of controlled violence, but you can't go completely the other way either. Hard line to draw.

TexanFan881
03-02-2007, 08:48 PM
I completely forgot about Garcia.. I don't know if anyone mentioned it but Garcia is supposed to meet with the Texans.. I'd rather him over anyone that's on the market QB wise..

When?

bckey
03-02-2007, 08:53 PM
I don't think it is such a hard line to draw. I just think McNair draws his way too high.

potisyourfriend
03-02-2007, 09:00 PM
When?

I'm sure soon.. I, like everyone else get my news from the guy who gets movie parts to show his bald spot on the back of his head...

keyfro
03-02-2007, 09:38 PM
if and i do mean IF we are able to get garcia this poses a very good arrangement for us and jeff...he'll be the starter on a franchise while not having the greatest of talent isn't as bad as i think some would lead everyone to believe...garcia's attitude and temper might be what the o-line needs to get a fire under their butts...and his expectations of catching every ball might be good for some of the younger receivers on this squad who have been very lucky with carr not be critized for dropping balls from time to time

rockabilly
03-02-2007, 09:43 PM
Garcia is our best option on the market. There is no way Carr can play here next season. It would remind me of the movie the replacements, when that starter comes back that nobody likes.

keyfro
03-02-2007, 09:51 PM
i agree there is no way carr can come back to this team but that's only because of the comments made by d-rob...if the players feel the same way he does then there is no reason to bring him back

TexanExile
03-02-2007, 10:45 PM
There's a balance that has to be struck.

Between being too interested in niiiice and character as judged by an oldish rich white guy or being a bunch of thugs that get derailed or undisciplined guys who can't function well as a team.

It's a continuum--maybe you don't want a bunch of boy scouts in a game of controlled violence, but you can't go completely the other way either. Hard line to draw.

Thank you TC. I was baffled in the other thread about Dunta's Cold Pizza comments by the people who read entire pages of interesting things into what Robinson said. Now I'm baffled here by people reading entire pages of exaggerated standards into a Bob McNair quote. Folks, the comments he made aren't extreme at all and they're the kind of nice, blah-blah comments most owners would make when asked a question like that. (Even if they don't mean it.) For proof, visit this ESPN show transcript (http://sports.espn.go.com/page2/tvlistings/show2transcript.html) and ask yourself whether Bill Walsh was also a moron for saying character matters. (His comment: "All it takes is one or two players who fail to conform to society on a ball club, and it affects everybody. So we can't tolerate that much.")

Looking at TC's examples: Is McNair such a hardliner that he passed on Dalton, or the oh-so-inky Babin? (I believe Travis J. has some considerable ink too, but I could be wrong on that. Just a vague recollection.)

I think someone made a joke about Jeff Garcia's wife's website and somehow it spun into a series of bizarre inferences about "character" (however you define it) as being why Bob McNair would prefer a morally-superior scrub over a more talented player--a TOTALLY unsupported allegation. Don't mistake bad football management for management by morality.

"Character" didn't stop this team from keeping Marcus Coleman, the walking breathalyzer, long after his problems emerged. "Character" didn't keep Victor Riley from his ignominious appearance in Houston. And for the love of all that's holy, "character" doggone sure didn't keep this team from throwing stupid money/picks for Philip Buchanon, despite mountains of questionable "character" issues in his then-brief NFL career.

So enough on that. Please.

Regarding Garcia, yup he's old, and I still think his upside is far greater than Plummer's. This guy was a backup who took his wounded team into the playoffs only a couple of months ago. Plummer, on the contrary, is a guy who BECAME a backup to a rookie because he just wasn't good enough to keep it going.

I think he'd rather return to California, but if the Texans can pry him down here, it'd be a good move.

HoustonFrog
03-02-2007, 10:54 PM
This may come as a shock to you but replacing 80% of our roster with better players wouldn't "put us over the top". We're a long way from even seeing the top (it's up there if you look real hard and if the clouds don't cover it). What we need is a "caretaker" QB who can hold the job down for a year or two, play at a reasonably high level (higher than anything David's come close to in 5 years at least), and keep the seat warm while a young QB develops behind him.

It should be a blinding flash of the obvious that Jeff Garcia is literally a perfect answer to that need.

He is old but he's also in amazing shape and he still clearly loves the game and the competition (even after stints in Cleveland and Detroit if you can believe that). Find me a 37 year old player at any position who still plays like Garcia did last year and I'll show you a guy I want on my team.

Excellent post. Not only that but maybe this team needs someone that is passionate and a vet that can lead.

Nighthawk
03-02-2007, 11:46 PM
if and i do mean IF we are able to get garcia this poses a very good arrangement for us and jeff...he'll be the starter on a franchise while not having the greatest of talent isn't as bad as i think some would lead everyone to believe...garcia's attitude and temper might be what the o-line needs to get a fire under their butts...and his expectations of catching every ball might be good for some of the younger receivers on this squad who have been very lucky with carr not be critized for dropping balls from time to time

Agree with that. Garcia looks like a guy who almost always performs well above his physical gifts and he's unlikely to put up with any BS from linemen or receivers or anybody else. AND he wants to win every time.

So he's the opposite of Carr, a driven, over-achieving, outspoken QB who in the short term could be an answer for the Texans.

Likely he'll go elsewhere.

Ckw
03-03-2007, 12:11 AM
Thank you TC. I was baffled in the other thread about Dunta's Cold Pizza comments by the people who read entire pages of interesting things into what Robinson said. Now I'm baffled here by people reading entire pages of exaggerated standards into a Bob McNair quote. Folks, the comments he made aren't extreme at all and they're the kind of nice, blah-blah comments most owners would make when asked a question like that. (Even if they don't mean it.) For proof, visit this ESPN show transcript (http://sports.espn.go.com/page2/tvlistings/show2transcript.html) and ask yourself whether Bill Walsh was also a moron for saying character matters. (His comment: "All it takes is one or two players who fail to conform to society on a ball club, and it affects everybody. So we can't tolerate that much.")

Looking at TC's examples: Is McNair such a hardliner that he passed on Dalton, or the oh-so-inky Babin? (I believe Travis J. has some considerable ink too, but I could be wrong on that. Just a vague recollection.)

I think someone made a joke about Jeff Garcia's wife's website and somehow it spun into a series of bizarre inferences about "character" (however you define it) as being why Bob McNair would prefer a morally-superior scrub over a more talented player--a TOTALLY unsupported allegation. Don't mistake bad football management for management by morality.

"Character" didn't stop this team from keeping Marcus Coleman, the walking breathalyzer, long after his problems emerged. "Character" didn't keep Victor Riley from his ignominious appearance in Houston. And for the love of all that's holy, "character" doggone sure didn't keep this team from throwing stupid money/picks for Philip Buchanon, despite mountains of questionable "character" issues in his then-brief NFL career.

So enough on that. Please.

Regarding Garcia, yup he's old, and I still think his upside is far greater than Plummer's. This guy was a backup who took his wounded team into the playoffs only a couple of months ago. Plummer, on the contrary, is a guy who BECAME a backup to a rookie because he just wasn't good enough to keep it going.

I think he'd rather return to California, but if the Texans can pry him down here, it'd be a good move.

Well said! Rep coming your way.

Another poster talked about how McNair was basically just after "Christian", moral players but I really don't believe that to totally be the case. The fact is McNair wants to win, but McNair also doesn't want the "me" kind of player to detract from the team mentality. If that means that kind of person is a Christian, then so be it. But I have found many team players that are not Christians. I have found many good, moral people that are not Christians. So to label McNair as simply wanting good Christian guys on his roster is asinine. I truly believe we help ourselves out right now by getting character guys as often as we can, just in case we end up with a guy with all the talent in the world but isn't a "character" guy. Think of the Super Bowl Cowboys. Other than Michael Irvin, and I could be totally wrong so don't flame me, but I can't think of another "bad" guy on their team. They were full of character guys and could balance out a "bad boy" like Michael Irvin.

aj.
03-03-2007, 12:31 AM
Think of the Super Bowl Cowboys. Other than Michael Irvin, ... I can't think of another "bad" guy on their team. They were full of character guys and could balance out a "bad boy" like Michael Irvin.


Signed,

Leon Lett
Erik Williams
and Nate Newton

SamuraiSword
03-03-2007, 12:32 AM
I see your topless Garcia and raise you his wifey


http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en/thumb/9/9b/230px-Carmella_DeCesare.jpg

holy ............:bowdown: :love:

SamuraiSword
03-03-2007, 12:35 AM
This McNair quote is what really concerns me about the Texans.

From Lucky's post:

McNair: No. Not at all. We believe strongly that character counts, and it counts in your performance, and it counts when the going gets close, because to have character you have to be disciplined, and if you are disciplined, then under pressure you still perform, and you won't make that mental error. Those who are undisciplined are the ones who tend to break down. I think it shows on the playing field, just as it does off the field.


Being a Bible thumper or a Dirt Bag has nothing to do if you can do certain things in life, for example, run a business, dunk a basketball, pass a test, and so on. If McNair thinks someone is going to make less mistakes because they are a better person, he is really mistaken. The two have nothing to do with one another.

This is getting off topic from the thread, but I think the biggest problem the Texans have is McNair and these stupid rules or logic ideas he has. Which in turns translates into the Carr situation. Applying the quote above to Carr, you can totally understand why Carr will be the Texans QB for his entire career, or has lasted as long as he has.

To get back on topic, how is Garcia a better person than Carr? He isn't. Therefore, Carr is a better a player than Garcia. Which is the logic according to McNair and why the Texans won't land Garcia, for other reasons as well. Unless, Kubiak is getting McNair to stop putting his influence in personnel using logic that doesn't work.

Honestly, though I don't know if Garica is really such a good idea, but it should be judged what happens on the field.

Gezzzz.....

:wow:

If Mcnair said that then.....be afraid Texan fans be very afraid.....Mcnair let your boys figure who has talent and who doesn't that is what they are paid to do.

Ckw
03-03-2007, 12:40 AM
Signed,

Leon Lett
Erik Williams
and Nate Newton

Cool, I'm kind of young so don't really remember what I speak of. How about the Super Bowl Patriots? Top to bottom, a quality, character squad.

Ckw
03-03-2007, 12:42 AM
:wow:

If Mcnair said that then.....be afraid Texan fans be very afraid.....Mcnair let your boys figure who has talent and who doesn't that is what they are paid to do.

Is this sarcasm? I personally do not understand what's wrong with this quote? Let's get guys who aren't all about themselves and work hard. Demeco Ryans anyone?

Ckw
03-03-2007, 12:43 AM
holy ............:bowdown: :love:

I second that motion. She's smokin!

TwinSisters
03-03-2007, 01:08 AM
Signed,

Leon Lett
Erik Williams
and Nate Newton

"Hey! What about me?", said Barry Switzer.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Switzerousi.jpg

Stepnoski is now an advocate for smoking pot. Smoked through every Super Bowl... although I suppose we could let that slide.
http://www.cleartest.com/testinfo/mark_stepnoski.htm

dirty steve
03-03-2007, 01:09 AM
Signed,

Leon Lett
Erik Williams
and Nate Newton
mark tuinei

keyfro
03-03-2007, 07:18 AM
personally i think everyone needs to chill on the whole character issue...we are talking about players not their wives and not their tattoos...what the person looks like and his wife should have no basis on whether or not a guy is a good fit for this franchise...some of ya'll just need to take a chill pill and worry more about whose playing LT for us

aj.
03-03-2007, 07:34 AM
I don't know about you, but I'd rather look at Carmella than Jeff G.

I'm beginning to really hate free agency because all it means is that you are going to overpay someone. Getting into a bidding war for a 37 year old QB doesn't seem all that cool to me ... despite Carmella <In Butters' Voice> Sweet Jesus....

Kaiser Toro
03-03-2007, 07:49 AM
despite Carmella <In Butters' Voice> Sweet Jesus....

No need to drag Leopold Scotch into this. :)

The dollars out there are always crazy in FA. FA is only one part of talent and acquisition, the other two are the draft and development of current personnel. Whether it is this year or twenty down the road if there are two places I want my team to shine it is with their college scouting and in player development. To me FA is much like St. Patty's day, amateur night.

Boxscore
03-03-2007, 08:20 AM
Bring on Jeff Garcia to lead this team for the next year - year and a half and let the rookie QB who we will draft learn under his wing. Garcia is a proven leader, and is just what we need. In my mind, he is so much better of a choice than Jake Plummer.

infantrycak
03-03-2007, 08:39 AM
holy ............:bowdown: :love:

Exactly. Trying to figure out how this is a bad thing:

http://www.sescoops.com/galleries/carmella/164c_Carmella_Decesare_1.jpg

As aj said [in Butters' voice] Sweet Jesus!

CoastalTexan
03-03-2007, 08:58 AM
She is unreal...

Here is Jeff from last year. When you watch this video, ask yourself (WWCD) What Would Carr Do.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5AFtvK-vn1c

TexasAggie
03-03-2007, 09:02 AM
Garcia didn't he play in Cleveland where I believe he was less than bad, behind a bad o-line. And in Philly pretty good behind a pretty good o-line. JFMPOV

Kaiser Toro
03-03-2007, 09:12 AM
Garcia didn't he play in Cleveland where I believe he was less than bad, behind a bad o-line. And in Philly pretty good behind a pretty good o-line. JFMPOV

Check out his stats when he was in Cleveland and think about how much he was paid. Compared to what we have had the last five years, Garcia would have been considered an uber value. JFMPOVGHJDSKWIWK

http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/146325

infantrycak
03-03-2007, 09:12 AM
Garcia didn't he play in Cleveland where I believe he was less than bad, behind a bad o-line. And in Philly pretty good behind a pretty good o-line. JFMPOV

Depends on your definition of less than bad and what the alternatives are. Garcia in Cleveland still had more TD's than INT's and had a good number of long balls--without an OL or much of a receiving corps.

HoustonFrog
03-03-2007, 09:15 AM
Signed,

Leon Lett
Erik Williams
and Nate Newton

There were a few but there were also a ton of "leader" type guys with Aikman, Emmitt, Norton, Jr and a host of others. Its the NFL and I used to have this argument with people all the time. There was a Browns team during this time that had like 11 guys busted for drugs, etc but they sucked so noone cared. When a team gets to the mountain top the cream..on both sides..always rise to the top..lol.

Spled
03-03-2007, 09:38 AM
Garcia was a bust in Detroit and Cleveland. Better to spend the free agent money on an offensive lineman. Steinbach is already off the market.

HuttoKarl
03-03-2007, 09:39 AM
Garcia was a bust in Detroit and Cleveland. Better to spend the free agent money on an offensive lineman. Steinbach is already off the market.

Gandy's still out there. He'd be a tremendous improvement and with Buffalo's signings yesterday, doesn't look like he'll be back there.

TexasAggie
03-03-2007, 09:52 AM
Check out his stats when he was in Cleveland and think about how much he was paid. Compared to what we have had the last five years, Garcia would have been considered an uber value. JFMPOVGHJDSKWIWK

http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/146325

just from my point of view (jfmpov). Until last year DC's contract was set in 2002. I am not in your futile debate of keep Carr dump Carr. It is not my job. I want a winning team. So it is the FO and Coaches job to deliver that for us.

Sure we can speculate on what we think should happen and who should be cut, traded and who we should get in to make this team great. But that is all we can do is speculate.

It is frustrating for those of us that just want to get an update on what really is going on instead of seeing all this crap on the message boards. SYCKTRRCOMA

Kaiser Toro
03-03-2007, 09:56 AM
It is frustrating for those of us that just want to get an update on what really is going on instead of seeing all this crap on the message boards. SYCKTRRCOMA

Not just this message board, but in the words of Dunta, Moulds and the FO. It is painfully obvious to some what is going on, for others it is a brand new day.

Lucky
03-03-2007, 10:01 AM
Bucs close to signing Garcia, per the Tampa Tribune (http://www.tboblogs.com/index.php/sports/comments/bucs-closing-in-on-garcia/).

Less than 24 hours after they learned that Plummer would rather retire than come play quarterback for them, the Bucs appeared to be on the verge late Friday of signing Eagles free agent signal caller Jeff Garcia.

A source with knowledge of the situation said a deal that would bring Garcia to Tampa would probably happen quickly, perhaps as soon as today.

Garcia spent most of Friday visiting with the Oakland Raiders but after word leaked that the Bucs trade for Plummer had been nullified, Garcia cut short his visit with the Raiders and turned his attention to Tampa Bay.

Garcia’s agent, Steve Baker, would only say late Friday that Garcia “is very interested in the Bucs, but others were speaking in more affirmative tones.

One NFL source with knowledge of the situation said the feeling inside the Raiders camp after Garcia left was that Garcia was headed to Tampa to play for Jon Gruden.

mike230765
03-03-2007, 10:04 AM
If it is the Texans plan to get rid of Carr then I am hoping for Garcia. He is a tough competitor.

TexanFan881
03-03-2007, 10:16 AM
From ProFootballTalk

GARCIA VISITING BUCS ON SATURDAY

Our friends at PewterReport.com, who continue to put the Tampa-area newspapers to shame, report that quarterback Jeff Garcia will visit the Buccaneers on Saturday.

Garcia has thrice before spurned opportunities to play in Tampa, and per PewterReport.com the snag has always been the cap room, or lack thereof, in Tampa.

Armed with $24 million in shopping money, salary isn't an issue this time around.

Stay tuned.

Spike
03-03-2007, 10:39 AM
I just heard a quick sound bite on ESPN. It sounds like a deal is close to getting done with Tampa. I am not too upset about missing out on a 37 year old QB.

TexanFan881
03-03-2007, 10:55 AM
BUCS EXPECTED TO ANNOUNCE SIGNING OF GARCIA

Our friends and PewterReport.com and WDAE 620 tell us that the Buccaneers are holding a press conference at 1:00 p.m.

It's widely believed that the purpose of the presser is to announce the signing of quarterback Jeff Garcia. The team has characterized the event as "big", per PewterReport.com.

Stay tuned.

They had more money anyways...

clandestin
03-03-2007, 11:29 AM
If the Bucs do sign Garcia, the Plummer situation goes right back to square 1.

Paragon Blue
03-03-2007, 11:35 AM
it's official on ESPN news

mike230765
03-03-2007, 11:36 AM
on espn news in the breaking news colum it says the the bucs have reached an agreement with garcia

stingray
03-03-2007, 11:52 AM
Just saw it on ESPN. Tampa said "F^% You Plummer, we don't need you.

Dunta_23
03-03-2007, 12:00 PM
Just saw it on ESPN. Tampa said "F^% You Plummer, we don't need you.

I think its more the other way around....Plummer said "F^%K You Tampa, Id rather retire"

stingray
03-03-2007, 12:02 PM
I think its more the other way around....Plummer said "F^%K You Tampa, Id rather retire"

Plummer can't say F U to any team. He's not that good.

Errant Hothy
03-03-2007, 12:03 PM
Plummer can't say F U to any team. He's not that good.

Looks like Plummer was Tampa's 1st choice, and Garcia was solution they scrambled to get.

Wolfiegrrl
03-03-2007, 12:07 PM
yep, profootballtalk.com is quoting Adam Schefter with NFL.com that it should be anounced already.

I guess we go back to looking at Plummer?

Dunta_23
03-03-2007, 12:13 PM
Plummer can't say F U to any team. He's not that good.

Apparently by saying he wasnt going to play in Tampa, he basically told them "F U"...Everybody is riding the Garcia bandwagon a little bit too much...he was on a really good team in Philly....Just look what he did when he was on a bad team(Cleveland, Detroit)....Hopefully it turns out well for him and the Bucs, definately an upgrade over Gradkowski(sp) and the other guy they started at the end of the year

DomDavis
03-03-2007, 12:16 PM
Just saw it on ESPN. Tampa said "F^% You Plummer, we don't need you.

Not really. Tampa waited until Plummer turned them down and had to go with their second choice.

HuttoKarl
03-03-2007, 12:23 PM
Good...now we can start seeing if Oakland wants Carr for a third or fourth rounder.

We can say "He passed for -5 yards against you...at least he won't be playing against your defense again." in hopes that they take him.

tulexan
03-03-2007, 12:23 PM
looks like Plummer is ours now that Tampa has moved on.

autch14
03-03-2007, 12:30 PM
bucs have garcia and plummer accepted the trade

kastofsna
03-03-2007, 12:31 PM
wrong. tampa has traded a conditional 2008 draft pick for jake plummer. so they have his rights. if houston wants him, they have to talk to tampa now.

kastofsna
03-03-2007, 12:32 PM
btw, great signing for the bucs.

TexanExile
03-03-2007, 12:33 PM
Hey, with all those Tampa QBs piling up, we may end up with a Longhorn alum at QB in Houston after all!

:jk:

tulexan
03-03-2007, 12:34 PM
wrong. tampa has traded a conditional 2008 draft pick for jake plummer. so they have his rights. if houston wants him, they have to talk to tampa now.

i saw that right after i hit submit.

threetoedpete
03-03-2007, 12:41 PM
So if I'm understanding this correctly....Gruden now holds the rights to both Garcia and Plummer. Correct ? Too funny. You Anyone But Carr folks have gots to be going out of you ever loving minds. Too funny. Sage and the seconded teired rookie QB, Tatter Tot, Edwards, Kolb or Straton, or Sage and Quinn. :tease:

kastofsna
03-03-2007, 12:56 PM
boy, bucs fans aren't happy. they hate gruden right now. HATE him. they're just going after QB's and haven't pursued any other player really and haven't even tried to sign their own Dwayne White. the super bowl is long gone. if the bucs don't show some signs this year, gruden is gone before the bye week.

thunderkyss
03-03-2007, 01:02 PM
So if I'm understanding this correctly....Gruden now holds the rights to both Garcia and Plummer. Correct ? Too funny. You Anyone But Carr folks have gots to be going out of you ever loving minds. Too funny. Sage and the seconded teired rookie QB, Tatter Tot, Edwards, Kolb or Straton, or Sage and Quinn. :tease:

No... some of us didn't want either Plummer or Garcia. We'll be fine, with ABC.

In case you haven't noticed, Carr hasn't played any better than you can expect those second tier Rookie QBs & Sage to play on a bad day.

Hand the ball off to someone... hand the ball off to someone... hand the ball off to someone... punt.

Honoring Earl 34
03-03-2007, 01:07 PM
So if I'm understanding this correctly....Gruden now holds the rights to both Garcia and Plummer. Correct ? Too funny. You Anyone But Carr folks have gots to be going out of you ever loving minds. Too funny. Sage and the seconded teired rookie QB, Tatter Tot, Edwards, Kolb or Straton, or Sage and Quinn. :tease:

Pete I bet I'd could get more for Kolb in a trade than I could Carr .

The market is dictating Carr's worth . Tampa Bay gave up a 4th for Plummer ... whats that tell you .

HoustonFrog
03-03-2007, 01:34 PM
So if I'm understanding this correctly....Gruden now holds the rights to both Garcia and Plummer. Correct ? Too funny. You Anyone But Carr folks have gots to be going out of you ever loving minds. Too funny. Sage and the seconded teired rookie QB, Tatter Tot, Edwards, Kolb or Straton, or Sage and Quinn. :tease:

Yeah I'm out of my mind. Carr is so much better than a second tier rookie or Sage:rolleyes:

By the way, hasn't the ABC talk gotten a little old?After all most that don't want Carr have different reasons besides just bringing in whomever. I mean what do you call his teammates that don't want him?..lol

Here is the newest article on the Bucs moves

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2786694

potisyourfriend
03-03-2007, 01:36 PM
This blows.. Sage should now be the starter..

SamuraiSword
03-03-2007, 02:00 PM
No... some of us didn't want either Plummer or Garcia. We'll be fine, with ABC.

In case you haven't noticed, Carr hasn't played any better than you can expect those second tier Rookie QBs & Sage to play on a bad day.

Hand the ball off to someone... hand the ball off to someone... hand the ball off to someone... punt.

So Carr is back with the Texans......Let the peasants rejoice.......*sad tone* "Yay"

TexanFan881
03-03-2007, 02:03 PM
This blows.. Sage should now be the starter..

I agree. We should trade David Carr for a player or a 1st day pick (I think we can get one). It's obvious he's not wanted here anymore after everything that's happened so far and it would be stupid to keep him here after all that. I don't mind having David as our starter last year, but I don't see now, after everything that's happened, how having him back another year can be a good thing.

SamuraiSword
03-03-2007, 02:12 PM
Is this sarcasm? I personally do not understand what's wrong with this quote? Let's get guys who aren't all about themselves and work hard. Demeco Ryans anyone?

uhm David Carr ring a bell to you ??? Good Personality but is bad at football...

SamuraiSword
03-03-2007, 02:14 PM
Exactly. Trying to figure out how this is a bad thing:

http://www.sescoops.com/galleries/carmella/164c_Carmella_Decesare_1.jpg

As aj said [in Butters' voice] Sweet Jesus!

QB's always get the good ones! I mean Tony Romo dated Jessica Simpson for awhile!

Kaiser Toro
03-03-2007, 02:18 PM
QB's always get the good ones! I mean Tony Romo dated Jessica Simpson for awhile!

Good eye candy often can be a bitter sweet experience. Metaphorically speaking their pimples and warts are normally on the inside.

infantrycak
03-03-2007, 02:31 PM
Good eye candy often can be a bitter sweet experience. Metaphorically speaking their pimples and warts are normally on the inside.

May be word of wisdom, but if I was single, exploring for the pimples and warts doesn't look like a horrible prospect.

Kaiser Toro
03-03-2007, 02:37 PM
May be word of wisdom, but if I was single, exploring for the pimples and warts doesn't look like a horrible prospect.

Touche.

The Pencil Neck
03-03-2007, 04:06 PM
So if I'm understanding this correctly....Gruden now holds the rights to both Garcia and Plummer. Correct ? Too funny. You Anyone But Carr folks have gots to be going out of you ever loving minds. Too funny. Sage and the seconded teired rookie QB, Tatter Tot, Edwards, Kolb or Straton, or Sage and Quinn. :tease:

Well, you've got to remember, for us ABC people, we expect that Sage can probably outperform Carr and that a second tiered rookie QB will only perform as badly as Carr while he's learning. Many of the ABC camp didn't want either Garcia or Plummer and they see this as a blessing. Personally, I wanted Garcia but I didn't think we'd get him.

So, I think the gyrations the Buccs are going through are pretty funny but it doesn't bother me at all.