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Meloy
03-02-2007, 02:01 PM
1. Oakland: Qb Russell
2. Atlanta: from Detroit as Lions get Schaub (per Vinnie's post on Detroit thread) seems plausible to me. Falcons pick Calvin Johnson WR
3. Cleveland: Quinn QB
4.Tampa: Okoye DT
5.Arizona: Gaines Adams DE
6. Wash: Alan Branch DT
7. Vikings: Jamaal Anderson DE
8. Houston: Oh Lordy! Thomas or Peterson. Now we talking!

HuttoKarl
03-02-2007, 02:03 PM
I kinda think that Thomas doesn't fall past Cleveland or Tampa, but it'd increase our chances at Peterson nonetheless.

AtheGreat
03-02-2007, 02:11 PM
that doesn't seem ridicuously far-fetched. i dont see arizona passing up on thomas. but it would increase our chances of seeing AP at 8.

Texas_Thrill
03-02-2007, 02:11 PM
Thomas will not go past Arizona. Need you forget they sent L. Davis packing basically.

Ole Miss Texan
03-02-2007, 02:15 PM
Thomas will not go past Arizona. Need you forget they sent L. Davis packing basically.

Any chance Joe Thomas can play RT for the cards? seeing how Leinart is Left Handed i would imagine they need a stud RT not LT.

I truthfully think Levi Brown would be an awesome RT for the cards.

Meloy
03-02-2007, 02:22 PM
Any chance Joe Thomas can play RT for the cards? seeing how Leinart is Left Handed i would imagine they need a stud RT not LT.

I truthfully think Levi Brown would be an awesome RT for the cards.
Good point.

kastofsna
03-02-2007, 02:46 PM
joe thomas doesn't pass the bucs. no. way. ever.

Meloy
03-02-2007, 03:15 PM
joe thomas doesn't pass the bucs. no. way. ever.Congratulations on your GUESS. My guess is just as valid, but I do understand your reasoning. Ain't it fun to GUESS?

kastofsna
03-02-2007, 03:21 PM
my guess actually makes sense, though.

Meloy
03-02-2007, 03:32 PM
my guess actually makes sense, though.

It sure does. But mine does too. Yes it does. Yes it does. yesitdoes!!:shades:

Ole Miss Texan
03-02-2007, 03:38 PM
Yes it does. Yes it does. yesitdoes!!:shades:

- "That's What She Said"

Battle Red Flash
03-02-2007, 03:53 PM
joe thomas doesn't pass the bucs. no. way. ever.

What if the best QB ever, Brady Quinn, falls to Tampa, and they still don't have a QB? Gruden would pass on Thomas to take the awesome Quinn, right?

Clash_Fan3605
03-02-2007, 03:57 PM
Washington has expressed disinterest in a DE or a DT. They could trade down. But the thought of Thomas AND Peterson AND Landry on the board are exhilarating!!!!!!!!! :doot:

kastofsna
03-02-2007, 05:46 PM
What if the best QB ever, Brady Quinn, falls to Tampa, and they still don't have a QB? Gruden would pass on Thomas to take the awesome Quinn, right?
oooh i see what you did there!

Second Honeymoon
03-02-2007, 05:58 PM
Any chance Joe Thomas can play RT for the cards? seeing how Leinart is Left Handed i would imagine they need a stud RT not LT.

I truthfully think Levi Brown would be an awesome RT for the cards.

Wow, someone who actually uses his head. Brown isn't worth that early of a pick. It is looking more and more like we will have our pick between G.Adams, Quinn, Branch, or Peterson.

22cannon
03-02-2007, 05:59 PM
No way Tampa takes Okoye that early, keep dreaming.

rickyb
03-02-2007, 06:13 PM
Washington has expressed disinterest in a DE or a DT. They could trade down. But the thought of Thomas AND Peterson AND Landry on the board are exhilarating!!!!!!!!! :doot:

It would be. But, just like a free lunch, it cannot happen. Hungry teams below us will trade up. Washington is a big, big threat to trade down. They have a 1st rounder and then...what...a sixth? Yeah, they're hungry. (edit --- teams will trade up to grab Peterson, I fear)

Tampa definitely picks Quinn, absent CJ or Russell on the board. Simms is not the answer.

Xman
03-02-2007, 06:47 PM
IF Quinn moves back up - which is possible - then the top 5 gets interesting. But, it is doubtful that anyone else moves up into that top 5-6 area. I say 5-6 in case one of the DL steps up.

So, we are still looking at:
CJ goes top 4 period.
Russell goes top 7 (probably a lot higher)
Quinn (who knows but for this lets say top 7)
Thomas - wont get past AZ - in fact if AZ had the 1st pick I think it would be him.

So:
Oakland (or team that deals up): one of the top 3 0f CJ/best qb/Thomas.
Detroit (or team that deals up): another of the top 3.
Cleveland: either last of top 3 or AP
Tampa Bay: CJ if there, otherwise Thomas or QB
AZ: Thomas if there; otherwise DE (which is value to fill a moderate need but could trade down)
Wash: Looking to deal down - teams looking at a QB will target here to get ahead of Minn/Hou/Miami who should all consider qb. So, probably the 2nd qb if on the board - otherwise BPA which should be DL.
Minn: QB is a huge need, but if both QBs are gone, then WR has to be considered if they think Ginn is worth the pick. If Cleve passed on AP and he is still there, then they could deal down with someone like GB trying to jump in front of the Texans. At 16, Ginn would be a great value and if he is gone they could take Meachum.
Hou: I would love to see AP there, but I just don't believe he slides. I would take a QB if either of the top 2 are there - but I think they will both be gone also. Thomas and CJ will be long gone. That leaves DL and I think we focus on DE; Gaines Adams if he is there, JAnderson if he is gone.

That is the way I see it - but who knows what changes in the next month.

Clash_Fan3605
03-02-2007, 06:57 PM
It would be. But, just like a free lunch, it cannot happen. Hungry teams below us will trade up. Washington is a big, big threat to trade down. They have a 1st rounder and then...what...a sixth? Yeah, they're hungry. (edit --- teams will trade up to grab Peterson, I fear)

Tampa definitely picks Quinn, absent CJ or Russell on the board. Simms is not the answer.

I agree. I know that scenario is very unlikely, but we now have a better chance at getting one of them, while the other 2 having already been chosen.

TexanBacker93
03-03-2007, 10:57 AM
In the 2003 draft Jordan Gross was the top rated LT prospect and fell to Carolina at....you guessed it #8. I can't remember everything about the predraft talk before that draft and I don't remember if Gross was rated as high as Thomas, but once the draft starts you never know what happens.

threetoedpete
03-03-2007, 05:02 PM
In the 2003 draft Jordan Gross was the top rated LT prospect and fell to Carolina at....you guessed it #8. I can't remember everything about the predraft talk before that draft and I don't remember if Gross was rated as high as Thomas, but once the draft starts you never know what happens.

I remember and no he wasn't. He was rated as the second best OT coming out that year. The quickest out of a bad group. He was no where near Joe Thomas range.

the A.J. draft.

Jordon Gross @ 8 to Carolina
Geoge Foster went to Denver @ 20 Many rated Foster better. But he was a RT only type of guy.
Quam Harris went to Frisco @ 26
Jon Stinchcomb went 37 to the Saints.

41. Bennie Jopru to the Texans.

next one didn't go off the board untill 141. Not a good class at all. Just goes to show there is a cycle with this in the drafts. This year it's WR's gaurds, and Safties. Next year looks to be a great OT and QB class but who knows. I think if those on the list were Srs. this year and coming out they would be barely day one prospects. Foster still might have a chance to go in the second. There is a straked difference between the two classes.

The fact that you're tring to tie Joe Thomas' tail with a Jordan Gross comparison tells me you didn't sit down last season and watch Thomas and wisconsin play at all. If you had, you wouldn't of posted this.

JAXwithanX
03-03-2007, 07:08 PM
I'm still wondering what in the hell is the reason Schaub is worth the second overall pick and the Falcons are still trying to get WR's. Think of Atlanta like Detroit....except Atlanta traded for their WR's....Detroit just compulsively drafted them.

My point is....Falcons aren't moving up to the 2nd with just Schaub and even if they did somehow make it to two....they aren't taking a WR.

JAXwithanX
03-03-2007, 07:11 PM
Oh yeah and what makes anyone think the Vikings are secure enough with their run game that they would pass up a possible number pick that fell to them at the 7 spot.

This is ridiculous. AP will not be on the Texans unless we trade up to 3. And maybe not even then.

YoungTexanFan
03-03-2007, 10:14 PM
JT will not fall past Arz. like many others have stated.

This is a very weak OT class, which is why I don't really want us to address taht issue through THIS draft. I don't really know what to recommend, but I can tell you that none of the other guys has much hope of being an improvement over what we have. Joe Staley you might say? Seth Wand 2.0; Ryan Harris you might say? Have you watched the guy play or looked at any film or anything on this kid? There isn't a real OT prospect that we have a legit chance at that should become our foundation.

Next year there is a very strong OT class coming out. Jared Gaither will top the list, followed by Baker and Long, and possibly Trueblood. While I don't support any of the OT's this year, I still want O-line prospects to be taken. I just feel that if we take a prospect, he needs to be someone this team can use and won't need an upgrade to for a long time. I would love to draft a C or maybe even some OG depth. The only OT's I like at all that we can land are Blaylock who will be an OG, and Aaron Sears who is more of a RT/RG.

awtysst
03-03-2007, 11:47 PM
JT will not fall past Arz. like many others have stated.

This is a very weak OT class, which is why I don't really want us to address taht issue through THIS draft. I don't really know what to recommend, but I can tell you that none of the other guys has much hope of being an improvement over what we have. Joe Staley you might say? Seth Wand 2.0; Ryan Harris you might say? Have you watched the guy play or looked at any film or anything on this kid? There isn't a real OT prospect that we have a legit chance at that should become our foundation.

Next year there is a very strong OT class coming out. Jared Gaither will top the list, followed by Baker and Long, and possibly Trueblood. While I don't support any of the OT's this year, I still want O-line prospects to be taken. I just feel that if we take a prospect, he needs to be someone this team can use and won't need an upgrade to for a long time. I would love to draft a C or maybe even some OG depth. The only OT's I like at all that we can land are Blaylock who will be an OG, and Aaron Sears who is more of a RT/RG.


I agree with you except for one simple thing: Matt Leinart is a southpaw. Since he is the commited QB, his blindside is his right side (not his leftside). In that system the Right Tackle becomes the much more important position. I do not know if Thomas has ever played RT nor do I know if he can make the move. In my mind getting a good RT can be done later on in this draft or FA. If Thomas cannot play RT, would Arizona really pay that much for a guy who is playing the side the QB can see on? In my mind, if Thomas gets past TB, he might freefall to Houston.

kastofsna
03-04-2007, 01:24 AM
arizona would draft thomas and put him at LT. simple as that.

but the bucs wouldn't pass on him anyways.

awtysst
03-04-2007, 11:00 AM
arizona would draft thomas and put him at LT. simple as that.

but the bucs wouldn't pass on him anyways.

I still do not understand why you would spend a high draft pick for a LT that in essence would be a RT? The problem with playing LT(usually) is that you are having to protect the QB's blind spot and typically the D will put their best Sack guys on that side. Leinart is a lefty, he would see his left side. The money position on that line is the RT.

Please explain to me why you think Arizona would take him if given the oppertunity as I do not understand your logic.

kastofsna
03-04-2007, 11:04 AM
because thomas is really really good. and they need help badly on their o-line. and if they don't put him at LT, they'll put him at RT. they're not going to pass on him at 5, that'd be the most foolish move in franchise history.