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Marcus
03-01-2007, 08:14 AM
With John Lopez writing a column (http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/lopez/4591907.html) in today's Chronicle calling Carr the team's albatross?

With Dunta saying "Carr must go" on Cold Pizza, a nationally televised program?

With Eric Moulds' parting shot that Carr needs to go?

The very same people who want Carr gone, actually think he can be traded for what? A 2nd, or 3rd, or 4th, or 5th round draft pick? Some need to face reality that Carr's trade value is ZERO with all the public crucifiction of Carr that is taking place.

The other team's GMs don't live in a vacuum, folks.

STEEL BLUE TEXANS
03-01-2007, 08:26 AM
All it takes is one GM dumb enough to buy into the idea that David Carr is a good player.


Sincerely,
Phillip Buchanan and Todd Wade

TexanSam
03-01-2007, 08:28 AM
All it takes is one GM dumb enough to buy into the idea that David Carr is a good player.


Sincerely,
Phillip Buchanan and Todd Wade

*cough*Al Davis*cough*

Navy_Chris
03-01-2007, 08:32 AM
All it takes is one GM dumb enough to buy into the idea that David Carr is a good player.


Sincerely,
Phillip Buchanan and Todd Wade

nice signature. haha. With the Vikings' release of Brad Johnson, that MAY be an indicator that Minnesota's ready to make their move for David Carr.
I doubt they're going to want Tarvaris Jackson and Brooks Bollinger to be the only 2 competing in camp.

Doom Capers
03-01-2007, 08:33 AM
All it takes is one GM dumb enough to buy into the idea that David Carr is a good player.


Sincerely,
Phillip Buchanan and Todd Wade

Hahaha

TEXANRED
03-01-2007, 08:38 AM
Maybe Cass will get a GM job before the draft. Carr could get us a 1st, 2nd, 3rd, and swap 4th's.

Hey Lopez does read this MB, I did call it Bloody Wednesday.

Your welcome John.

Marcus
03-01-2007, 08:39 AM
So what do we have here? Wishful thinking that there's a dumb GM out there? lol:

In the end, don't be pissed if they cut Carr without getting anything for him. Or, more likely, don't be pissed if they have to keep him because they can't get anything for him.

2BCF
03-01-2007, 08:40 AM
With John Lopez writing a column (http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/lopez/4591907.html) in today's Chronicle calling Carr the team's albatross?

With Dunta saying "Carr must go" on Cold Pizza, a nationally televised program?

With Eric Moulds' parting shot that Carr needs to go?

The very same people who want Carr gone, actually think he can be traded for what? A 2nd, or 3rd, or 4th, or 5th round draft pick? Some need to face reality that Carr's trade value is ZERO with all the public crucifiction of Carr that is taking place.

The other team's GMs don't live in a vacuum, folks.

Nah, Carr's value is low due solely to his performance on the field.

Navy_Chris
03-01-2007, 08:42 AM
Nah, Carr's value is low due solely to his performance on the field.

Can I play QB next season?

STEEL BLUE TEXANS
03-01-2007, 08:44 AM
Someone get Matt Millen on the phone and find Rick Smith some of David Carr's college highlight reels.

Navy_Chris
03-01-2007, 08:45 AM
Someone get Matt Millen on the phone and find Rick Smith some of David Carr's college highlight reels.

Does one exist?

humbleone
03-01-2007, 08:46 AM
With John Lopez writing a column (http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/lopez/4591907.html) in today's Chronicle calling Carr the team's albatross?

With Dunta saying "Carr must go" on Cold Pizza, a nationally televised program?

With Eric Moulds' parting shot that Carr needs to go?

The very same people who want Carr gone, actually think he can be traded for what? A 2nd, or 3rd, or 4th, or 5th round draft pick? Some need to face reality that Carr's trade value is ZERO with all the public crucifiction of Carr that is taking place.

The other team's GMs don't live in a vacuum, folks.

Exactly right. If ever there was a time to "say nothing if you can't say something positive" this would be it. Sadly, we are way past that wisdom with some people.

On the plus side, there are voices out there in the media that still like DC and are pumping him up a bit. For example, Mike Golic this morning on ESPN2 Mike and Mike said..."I like David Carr, he is still a young guy with a ton of talent that maybe did not develop as much as you would have liked but I like him a lot". They may not be the exact quote but I think it is pretty close.

real
03-01-2007, 08:50 AM
People have ego's..Coaches in general seem to have huge ego's.

There will be someone out there that thinks that they can be the one to "turn David around."

Outside of Houston in other markets, the general thought seems to be that David Carr is a good QB on a bad team.

2BCF
03-01-2007, 08:50 AM
On the plus side, there are voices out there in the media that still like DC and are pumping him up a bit. For example, Mike Golic this morning on ESPN2 Mike and Mike said..."I like David Carr, he is still a young guy with a ton of talent that maybe did not develop as much as you would have liked but I like him a lot". They may not be the exact quote but I think it is pretty close.

Finally, that check cleared weeks ago.

HuttoKarl
03-01-2007, 08:50 AM
Exactly right. If ever there was a time to "say nothing if you can't say something positive" this would be it. Sadly, we are way past that wisdom with some people.

On the plus side, there are voices out there in the media that still like DC and are pumping him up a bit. For example, Mike Golic this morning on ESPN2 Mike and Mike said..."I like David Carr, he is still a young guy with a ton of talent that maybe did not develop as much as you would have liked but I like him a lot". They may not be the exact quote but I think it is pretty close.

It is close and I agree with him. The alternatives out there are what? Old Trent Green, Brad Johnson, Jeff Garcia, Jake Plummer??? The only one out of the bunch I'd be ok with is Garcia, but he's just a finger in the dike, which according to many here is basically what Carr would be. Why not just stand pat with Carr, who's younger and obviously durable, pray he has a better season with some more talent on the line in front of him and then reassess his trade value.

I'm all for drafting a QB this season...Edwards from Stanford, Beck, Zabransky...any of them seem to have the tools to be good NFL QB's and will likely be available past the third round, giving us opportunity to get a few good players before concentrating on a backup.

Second Honeymoon
03-01-2007, 09:02 AM
Carr sucks and always has sucked. He is not a finger in the dike. He is a festering boil on the back of our team. Lance that damn thing and kick his arse back to California. There is a reason no one wants the guy. He sucks.....and his contract is just stupid thanks to McNair and his infatuation with his cabana boy.

What has Carr EVER done? Nothing but lose football games and be an albatross around the neck of this franchise. He is a loser. Period.

The saddest thing about him being a loser is that he doesnt even do anything about it. More time in the film room? More time in the practice field? A rededication to his craft?

Nope that would infere with the priorities in his life....his family and his faith. Football is #3. It is just a job to him. Well that aint good enough and it never has been so he needs to take his candy arse and his gravy training family and get the hell out of our city.

Screw you Carr and the horse you rode in on

ledzeppelin229
03-01-2007, 09:02 AM
So what do we have here? Wishful thinking that there's a dumb GM out there? lol:

In the end, don't be pissed if they cut Carr without getting anything for him. Or, more likely, don't be pissed if they have to keep him because they can't get anything for him.

At this point letting Carr move on is benefit enough. It's obviously not working out here. Since I consider it addition by subtraction, anything extra in the form of a draft pick is gravy.

texans83
03-01-2007, 09:10 AM
I bet the Vickings are getting ready to make a trade offer, I just hope the front office is smart enough to take it. I like Carr but its time for both parties to go diffrent directions.

Vinny
03-01-2007, 09:11 AM
I bet the Vickings are getting ready to make a trade offer, I just hope the front office is smart enough to take it. I like Carr but its time for both parties to go diffrent directions.They have made an offer supposedly but it was crumbs.

Malloy
03-01-2007, 09:12 AM
They have made an offer supposedly but it was crumbs.

I like crumbs...

Navy_Chris
03-01-2007, 09:12 AM
They have made an offer supposedly but it was crumbs.

I would take crumbs for this guy. I don't care if it was a 7th round pick and a stick of Big Red....TAKE IT!!!!!!

thunderkyss
03-01-2007, 09:13 AM
With John Lopez writing a column (http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/lopez/4591907.html) in today's Chronicle calling Carr the team's albatross?

With Dunta saying "Carr must go" on Cold Pizza, a nationally televised program?

With Eric Moulds' parting shot that Carr needs to go?

The very same people who want Carr gone, actually think he can be traded for what? A 2nd, or 3rd, or 4th, or 5th round draft pick? Some need to face reality that Carr's trade value is ZERO with all the public crucifiction of Carr that is taking place.

The other team's GMs don't live in a vacuum, folks.

I wouldn't have a problem with David being gone. I understand his trade value is zero. Hence I don't have a problem with David being shown the door.

texans83
03-01-2007, 09:13 AM
They have made an offer supposedly but it was crumbs.

Well if I was the texans front office I would have to consider it now!!

ledzeppelin229
03-01-2007, 09:18 AM
Won't take crumbs for Carr? I found a replacement for GM. Time to get a deal done.

http://www.wildlifebritain.com/images/pht/wood_mouse_cr.jpg

bavanlan
03-01-2007, 09:19 AM
They have made an offer supposedly but it was crumbs.

So, it may be a better move to take it. Even if it was a 7th round pick for Carr, you at least send a QB to the Vikings, which may dissuade them enough from drafting a QB that Brady Quinn (or Russell) falls to you.

Remember, you may not just be getting a pick as compensation for Carr, you may also get an opportunity to draft a franchise QB.

$.02

**EDIT**, the best move may be to simply send Carr to the Vikings in exchange for switching 1st round picks (a single spot difference). That way, you have a great chance of getting the #2 QB selected.

NFLforher
03-01-2007, 09:20 AM
With John Lopez writing a column (http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/lopez/4591907.html) in today's Chronicle calling Carr the team's albatross?

With Dunta saying "Carr must go" on Cold Pizza, a nationally televised program?

With Eric Moulds' parting shot that Carr needs to go?

The very same people who want Carr gone, actually think he can be traded for what? A 2nd, or 3rd, or 4th, or 5th round draft pick? Some need to face reality that Carr's trade value is ZERO with all the public crucifiction of Carr that is taking place.

The other team's GMs don't live in a vacuum, folks.



So, Eric wanted to be "carried." :bubble:

thunderkyss
03-01-2007, 09:20 AM
It is close and I agree with him. The alternatives out there are what? Old Trent Green, Brad Johnson, Jeff Garcia, Jake Plummer??? The only one out of the bunch I'd be ok with is Garcia, but he's just a finger in the dike, which according to many here is basically what Carr would be. Why not just stand pat with Carr, who's younger and obviously durable, pray he has a better season with some more talent on the line in front of him and then reassess his trade value.

I'm all for drafting a QB this season...Edwards from Stanford, Beck, Zabransky...any of them seem to have the tools to be good NFL QB's and will likely be available past the third round, giving us opportunity to get a few good players before concentrating on a backup.

So you are agreeing that no one else wants David to start for them, so we should let him start for us??

How does that kind of thinking win football games??

Haams
03-01-2007, 09:22 AM
What kind of crumbs?

Navy_Chris
03-01-2007, 09:26 AM
What kind of crumbs?

$2.54. It might be a little much, but hey....let's not split hairs.

HuttoKarl
03-01-2007, 09:36 AM
So you are agreeing that no one else wants David to start for them, so we should let him start for us??

How does that kind of thinking win football games??

It's the kind of thinking that says "let's not eat 4 million bucks in dead salary to get the same kind of production from some chooch retread vet who's going to cost us just as much." It's far more effective than the line of thinking that says "Let's blame everything on one player while completely ignoring all of the other issues this team has." which we're seeing a lot of on this forum.

real
03-01-2007, 09:37 AM
So you are agreeing that no one else wants David to start for them, so we should let him start for us??

How does that kind of thinking win football games??

Exactly...

Carr has no trade value...

If he goes anywhere else it'll be as a back-up....

But he's good enough for us....:ok:

real
03-01-2007, 09:39 AM
It's the kind of thinking that says "let's not eat 4 million bucks in dead salary to get the same kind of production from some chooch retread vet who's going to cost us just as much." It's far more effective than the line of thinking that says "Let's blame everything on one player while completely ignoring all of the other issues this team has." which we're seeing a lot of on this forum.

Why can't Carr stand on his own ?

Why do you have to try and deflect attention away from him, and point fingers at someone else ?

He played poorly last season, this is the Texans message board, he's the QB...He's going to be a hot topic...What's so strange about that ?

dirty steve
03-01-2007, 09:41 AM
He played poorly last season, this is the Texans message board, he's the QB...He's going to be a hot topic...What's so strange about that ?
dont kid yourself. he is the ONLY topic.

real
03-01-2007, 09:45 AM
dont kid yourself. he is the ONLY topic.

I count 5 Carr topics on the first page, and 17 "others"....


Maybe if you don't want to talk about the subject anymore you should just avoid threads about him ????

run-david-run
03-01-2007, 09:46 AM
Does one exist?

What a stupid comment...

HuttoKarl
03-01-2007, 09:49 AM
Why can't Carr stand on his own ?

Why do you have to try and deflect attention away from him, and point fingers at someone else ?

He played poorly last season, this is the Texans message board, he's the QB...He's going to be a hot topic...What's so strange about that ?

I'm pointing fingers all over the team. Our CB's stunk. Our safeties stunk. Our lack of depth killed us on both lines. Our RB's stunk. Our punter stunk. Our Kicker was good for about a miss a game until the last few weeks of the season. Our special teams were anything but special. We couldn't return kicks to save our souls. Our FB fumbled twice in the most crucial spots in two games. Our QB stunk too. I won't deny it, but I'm not going to go so far as too many of you are going and act as if we dump David Carr our team's going to win the Super Bowl next season. We don't have a problem. We have f'ing problems...PLURAL. Don't accuse me of pointing fingers. Join me in pointing fingers, because fingers need to be pointed. Not one finger. Many. But dumping David Carr for some old, slow, concussed, burned-out retread isn't the answer to our woes.

HuttoKarl
03-01-2007, 09:50 AM
I count 5 Carr topics on the first page, and 17 "others"....


Maybe if you don't want to talk about the subject anymore you should just avoid threads about him ????

Open up most of those threads and someone such as yourself says things like "not to turn this into another Carr thread, BUT..."

real
03-01-2007, 09:56 AM
I'm pointing fingers all over the team. Our CB's stunk. Our safeties stunk. Our lack of depth killed us on both lines. Our RB's stunk. Our punter stunk. Our Kicker was good for about a miss a game until the last few weeks of the season. Our special teams were anything but special. We couldn't return kicks to save our souls. Our FB fumbled twice in the most crucial spots in two games. Our QB stunk too. I won't deny it, but I'm not going to go so far as too many of you are going and act as if we dump David Carr our team's going to win the Super Bowl next season. We don't have a problem. We have f'ing problems...PLURAL. Don't accuse me of pointing fingers. Join me in pointing fingers, because fingers need to be pointed. Not one finger. Many. But dumping David Carr for some old, slow, concussed, burned-out retread isn't the answer to our woes.


Maybe tis' you who is assumming that people who want to get rid of Carr think he's our only problem ???

I don't think I have seen one person.....EVER....say "David is our only problem" or anything close...

Please forgive us all for being more concerened with our 5th year rookie starting QB, more so than other areas of the team....

But what's it matter to you that people want to talk about Carr ? Do you want/expect us to stop because a select few are tired of the subject ?

Here's an idea...how about you all are just as guilty of keeping the topic going as "we" are....If you all stopped arguing about it, "we'd" have no one to argue with....:idea:

real
03-01-2007, 09:57 AM
Open up most of those threads and someone such as yourself says things like "not to turn this into another Carr thread, BUT..."


The post wasn't even close to being about Carr....


But, please forgive me for mentioning his name....


My bad....I forgot I was forbidden to do that...

TEXANRED
03-01-2007, 09:58 AM
So, it may be a better move to take it. Even if it was a 7th round pick for Carr, you at least send a QB to the Vikings, which may dissuade them enough from drafting a QB that Brady Quinn (or Russell) falls to you.

Remember, you may not just be getting a pick as compensation for Carr, you may also get an opportunity to draft a franchise QB.

$.02

**EDIT**, the best move may be to simply send Carr to the Vikings in exchange for switching 1st round picks (a single spot difference). That way, you have a great chance of getting the #2 QB selected.

Repeat after me: Just say NO to Brady Quinn.

Remember, the more you know.

This public service announcement brought to you by TEXANRED.

The Pencil Neck
03-01-2007, 10:02 AM
I'm pointing fingers all over the team. Our CB's stunk. Our safeties stunk. Our lack of depth killed us on both lines. Our RB's stunk. Our punter stunk. Our Kicker was good for about a miss a game until the last few weeks of the season. Our special teams were anything but special. We couldn't return kicks to save our souls. Our FB fumbled twice in the most crucial spots in two games. Our QB stunk too. I won't deny it, but I'm not going to go so far as too many of you are going and act as if we dump David Carr our team's going to win the Super Bowl next season. We don't have a problem. We have f'ing problems...PLURAL. Don't accuse me of pointing fingers. Join me in pointing fingers, because fingers need to be pointed. Not one finger. Many. But dumping David Carr for some old, slow, concussed, burned-out retread isn't the answer to our woes.

I don't think anyone's saying we're going to the Super Bowl if we dump Carr and bring in an old vet.

BUT.

With all those problems you've listed, we found a way to win 6 games and were within spitting distance of winning a few more. With better play from our QB... not even GOOD play from the QB, just BETTER play... we could have been in the hunt for a playoff spot.

Yeah, we have a lot of holes that we need filled, a lot of positions that we need to address, but the biggest hole is behind the center. Just getting a mediocre QB, maybe not even one that fits our system, will improve this team and make a lot of people look better than they look right now.

Stros5Texans80
03-01-2007, 10:04 AM
Repeat after me: Just say NO to Brady Quinn.

Remember, the more you know.

This public service announcement brought to you by TEXANRED.

No I can't let the aliens send messages in my head! :tinfoil:

As for the original topic, I think if we can get at least a 5th, then send him off. I personally think he will not get better here. He to me would have grown up a lot differently in an already existing football team.

carrfan4life08
03-01-2007, 10:06 AM
IM sick and tired of people blamming carr for everything. Hes been geting his ass beat on the field. Hes been sacked more then anyone in this league. and all you people do is crucify him. lets see some of you out there play and see what you can do. i cant stand all the complainers saying its all carrs fault. the defense was not that good. well whatever carr should be traded because he deserves a much better team.

Navy_Chris
03-01-2007, 10:06 AM
IM sick and tired of people blamming carr for everything. Hes been geting his ass beat on the field. Hes been sacked more then anyone in this league. and all you people do is crucify him. lets see some of you out there play and see what you can do. i cant stand all the complainers saying its all carrs fault. the defense was not that good. well whatever carr should be traded because he deserves a much better team.

Do you want some Kleenex?

real
03-01-2007, 10:13 AM
IM sick and tired of people blamming carr for everything. Hes been geting his ass beat on the field. Hes been sacked more then anyone in this league. and all you people do is crucify him. lets see some of you out there play and see what you can do. i cant stand all the complainers saying its all carrs fault. the defense was not that good. well whatever carr should be traded because he deserves a much better team.

Eric Moulds, and Dunta Robinson Basically said the same thing many have been saying about Carr all along. These are two guys that are probably closer to Carr than anyone on here....

Our line of thinking isn't too skewed....

TEXANRED
03-01-2007, 10:15 AM
No I can't let the aliens send messages in my head! :tinfoil:

As for the original topic, I think if we can get at least a 5th, then send him off. I personally think he will not get better here. He to me would have grown up a lot differently in an already existing football team.

A 5th will not help our football team. 2nd or at least a 3rd, or I stay put and draft in the top 10 next year.

The Pencil Neck
03-01-2007, 10:17 AM
IM sick and tired of people blamming carr for everything. Hes been geting his ass beat on the field. Hes been sacked more then anyone in this league. and all you people do is crucify him. lets see some of you out there play and see what you can do. i cant stand all the complainers saying its all carrs fault. the defense was not that good. well whatever carr should be traded because he deserves a much better team.


If the play is a 3 step drop, you HAVE to get the ball out when your back foot hits. You have to. the play has not been designed to have any more time than that. So, you go through your reads, your back foot hits and then... you DON'T throw and you look around like you don't know where any of your receivers are supposed to be and you get sacked. Well, that's your fault. That's not the line's fault for not giving you enough time. That's YOUR fault. And that's the problem. Kubiak even called him on this in the press.

And even with that, he was NOT sacked more than anyone else in the league. Several guys were sacked more and they were able to put up better numbers.

There were plenty of plays where Carr had all day to throw and couldn't find the open receivers.

So, yes, please, I agree, let's let Carr have an opportunity somewhere else.

TEXANRED
03-01-2007, 10:17 AM
IM sick and tired of people blamming carr for everything. Hes been geting his ass beat on the field. Hes been sacked more then anyone in this league. and all you people do is crucify him. lets see some of you out there play and see what you can do. i cant stand all the complainers saying its all carrs fault. the defense was not that good. well whatever carr should be traded because he deserves a much better team.

I think its fair to say there is a fair amount af crucifying going on for the whole team.

I am one of those who are proud to be a Houston Texan fan and would like the Bull to symbolize as something other than a welcome matt or punchline for the rest of the league.

AndreRulz
03-01-2007, 10:18 AM
just trade carr to the vikings for a 3rd round pick good for both sides

HomeBred_Texan
03-01-2007, 10:27 AM
just trade carr to the vikings for a 3rd round pick good for both sides

My best guess is, the Texans and Vikings are working out a trade for players, not draft picks. The Vikings have something we don't have right now, depth. I can see them trading 2 or 3 players for David Carr.

I just get tired of everytime we try to have a discussion on David Carr, it turns into a bash him or praise him thread. Can't we talk civil and trust our NEW front office personel to do the right things to turn OUR team around?
:stirpot:

real
03-01-2007, 10:29 AM
A 5th will not help our football team. 2nd or at least a 3rd, or I stay put and draft in the top 10 next year.


I say we just cut Carr if we can't get anything for him...

TEXANRED
03-01-2007, 10:30 AM
My best guess is, the Texans and Vikings are working out a trade for players, not draft picks. The Vikings have something we don't have right now, depth. I can see them trading 2 or 3 players for David Carr.

I just get tired of everytime we try to have a discussion on David Carr, it turns into a bash him or praise him thread. Can't we talk civil and trust our NEW front office personel to do the right things to turn OUR team around?
:stirpot:

Stop Bashing Carr!!!!!!!!!

Hater:doot:

HuttoKarl
03-01-2007, 10:33 AM
My best guess is, the Texans and Vikings are working out a trade for players, not draft picks. The Vikings have something we don't have right now, depth. I can see them trading 2 or 3 players for David Carr.

I just get tired of everytime we try to have a discussion on David Carr, it turns into a bash him or praise him thread. Can't we talk civil and trust our NEW front office personel to do the right things to turn OUR team around?
:stirpot:

Who would you target from the Vikes? I would think maybe a WR...Williamson perhaps? How about Mike Rosenthal (from Texas) to help on the O-Line?

HomeBred_Texan
03-01-2007, 10:38 AM
Who would you target from the Vikes? I would think maybe a WR...Williamson perhaps? How about Mike Rosenthal (from Texas) to help on the O-Line?

To be honest, the Vikes need help at WR and see them grabbing Eric Moulds...

I am thinking either an O-Line player or a D-Line player or players right now. Not sure if this will or could happen, but would work out for both teams. If not, I see the Vikes going for Brady Quinn in the draft, not Miami...

CarrIsFine
03-01-2007, 11:08 AM
I think its fair to say there is a fair amount af crucifying going on for the whole team.

I am one of those who are proud to be a Houston Texan fan and would like the Bull to symbolize as something other than a welcome matt or punchline for the rest of the league.

Yep, the franchise has sucked since inception. Kubiak comes in and many want instant gratification, but hey that is human nature. The improvement was there.

Bottom line at this point, it is best for all involved if Carr goes to another team. Carr gets a fresh start and the Texans, in a sense, do as well. It probably should have happened last year with Kubiak coming in, but hey, that's the Texans MO since inception. They should have got a decent O-line at some point in the last 6 years, but it obviously was not a priority.

Now you have Dunta, "leader" of the league's #32 and #25 ranked defense the last two years, saying Carr should go, which is probably true, but keep it in house. Hey Dunta, look in the mirror buddy. When you give up 24 and 23 points a game, no QB will take you to the playoffs.

Even those that continually bash Carr have to admit they will miss Carr when he goes. What are going to complain about? You will no doubt find something, it is afterall the Texans.:winky:

Malloy
03-01-2007, 11:10 AM
IM sick and tired of people blamming carr for everything. Hes been geting his ass beat on the field. Hes been sacked more then anyone in this league. and all you people do is crucify him. lets see some of you out there play and see what you can do. i cant stand all the complainers saying its all carrs fault. the defense was not that good. well whatever carr should be traded because he deserves a much better team.

Wow, we have the entire Carr family in here now :)

HuttoKarl
03-01-2007, 11:23 AM
Yep, the franchise has sucked since inception. Kubiak comes in and many want instant gratification, but hey that is human nature. The improvement was there.

Bottom line at this point, it is best for all involved if Carr goes to another team. Carr gets a fresh start and the Texans, in a sense, do as well. It probably should have happened last year with Kubiak coming in, but hey, that's the Texans MO since inception. They should have got a decent O-line at some point in the last 6 years, but it obviously was not a priority.

Now you have Dunta, "leader" of the league's #32 and #25 ranked defense the last two years, saying Carr should go, which is probably true, but keep it in house. Hey Dunta, look in the mirror buddy. When you give up 24 and 23 points a game, no QB will take you to the playoffs.

Even those that continually bash Carr have to admit they will miss Carr when he goes. What are going to complain about? You will no doubt find something, it is afterall the Texans.:winky:



If I were a betting man, I'd put the ranch on "Jake Plummer" as the target of complaints.

HuttoKarl
03-01-2007, 11:25 AM
To be honest, the Vikes need help at WR and see them grabbing Eric Moulds...

I am thinking either an O-Line player or a D-Line player or players right now. Not sure if this will or could happen, but would work out for both teams. If not, I see the Vikes going for Brady Quinn in the draft, not Miami...

Sweet Baby Jesus, I hope you're right about Minny grabbing Quinn. And I pray that Oakland takes Calvin Johnson and Cleveland takes Russell.

Come on, AD. Come on home.

notanexpert
03-01-2007, 11:33 AM
Just wondering with the release of Moulds if maybe the Texans and Oakland have worked a deal for Carr and either Porter or Moss. Oakland will have trouble signing either one of them and needs a QB. We now need a #2 WR.

tsip
03-01-2007, 02:05 PM
It's ironic that Carr himself has not helped his trade value, if any team wants him at all. Why? He has painted himself as a player that can only produce when he is surrounded by all-pros and- even then- there are no guarantees.

Many #1 QBs have failed in the NFL, so Carr would not be the first. However, as many posters have pointed out, David has never had a 'lights out' game.

It will be interesting to see if a team wants to gamble on Carr, who's rep is not that he lacks the physical tools...but lacks the 'heart,' a key ingredient of 'it.'

Battle Red Flash
03-01-2007, 02:24 PM
The other team's GMs don't live in a vacuum, folks.

True, but they do tend to think they are smarter than the other guy.

See the Hershel Walker trade.

Nationally, I think most fans think the biggest joke about Houston is the O-line, not Carr. All you need is two GM's that think Carr would be good with a real O-line in front of him. Bingo, you get a 3rd round pick.

Marcus
03-01-2007, 03:57 PM
True, but they do tend to think they are smarter than the other guy.

See the Hershel Walker trade.

Nationally, I think most fans think the biggest joke about Houston is the O-line, not Carr. All you need is two GM's that think Carr would be good with a real O-line in front of him. Bingo, you get a 3rd round pick.

Ok, let's put it another way. Say that some of y'all's wishful thinking doesn't pan out and there won't be any GMs stupid enough to make a trade for Carr? (Which is probably the most realistic scenario.)

Would you then be just satisfied with cutting him outright and get nothing in return? . . . or keep him?

I say . . . cut him. If it's good enough for Weigart, Payne, or Moulds, then it's good enough for Carr. Right?

real
03-01-2007, 04:00 PM
I'm with you Marcus...

If we CAN'T get anything for David, then I think they should cut him....

Ryan
03-01-2007, 04:21 PM
I'm pointing fingers all over the team. Our CB's stunk. Our safeties stunk. Our lack of depth killed us on both lines. Our RB's stunk. Our punter stunk. Our Kicker was good for about a miss a game until the last few weeks of the season. Our special teams were anything but special. We couldn't return kicks to save our souls. Our FB fumbled twice in the most crucial spots in two games. Our QB stunk too. I won't deny it, but I'm not going to go so far as too many of you are going and act as if we dump David Carr our team's going to win the Super Bowl next season. We don't have a problem. We have f'ing problems...PLURAL. Don't accuse me of pointing fingers. Join me in pointing fingers, because fingers need to be pointed. Not one finger. Many. But dumping David Carr for some old, slow, concussed, burned-out retread isn't the answer to our woes.

i like pointing my fingers...may i join you?

2BCF
03-01-2007, 05:31 PM
I'm with you Marcus...

If we CAN'T get anything for David, then I think they should cut him....

werd :shades:

Heath Shuler
03-01-2007, 05:51 PM
With John Lopez writing a column (http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/lopez/4591907.html) in today's Chronicle calling Carr the team's albatross?

With Dunta saying "Carr must go" on Cold Pizza, a nationally televised program?

With Eric Moulds' parting shot that Carr needs to go?

The very same people who want Carr gone, actually think he can be traded for what? A 2nd, or 3rd, or 4th, or 5th round draft pick? Some need to face reality that Carr's trade value is ZERO with all the public crucifiction of Carr that is taking place.

The other team's GMs don't live in a vacuum, folks.

Unbelievable. I have heard the endless excuses and blame on others for Carr’s unacceptable play, but this is the first time that I have heard about Carr’s trade value (or more importantly lack of trade value) blamed on others.

TEXANRED
03-01-2007, 05:59 PM
True, but they do tend to think they are smarter than the other guy.

See the Hershel Walker trade.

Nationally, I think most fans think the biggest joke about Houston is the O-line, not Carr. All you need is two GM's that think Carr would be good with a real O-line in front of him. Bingo, you get a 3rd round pick.

Actualy, nationally most fans find the biggest joke are the Houston Texans.

QB75
03-01-2007, 06:13 PM
All it takes is one GM dumb enough to buy into the idea that David Carr is a good player.


Sincerely,
Phillip Buchanan and Todd Wade

And of course a team stupid enough to trade him.:shades:

HoustonFrog
03-01-2007, 06:30 PM
And of course a team stupid enough to trade him.:shades:


Is that the same one dumb enough to give a guy who has done nothing a 8 mill extension?If so, then easily done. But I know you'd love to have a guy that teammates and management don't agree on.

swtbound07
03-02-2007, 04:19 AM
If all of us that hate Carr donate 5 dollars, we can cover the cap hit of cutting him....im in. Anybody else down? Let's put our money where our mouth's are.

Honoring Earl 34
03-02-2007, 05:57 AM
Is that the same one dumb enough to give a guy who has done nothing a 8 mill extension?If so, then easily done. But I know you'd love to have a guy that teammates and management don't agree on.

I think Casserley said ... David I'll extend your contract but I get 40% .

Honoring Earl 34
03-02-2007, 05:58 AM
If all of us that hate Carr donate 5 dollars, we can cover the cap hit of cutting him....im in. Anybody else down? Let's put our money where our mouth's are.

5 bucks is cheaper than getting the NFL Network .

Marcus
03-02-2007, 07:41 AM
Remarks won't help Carr's value (http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/justice/4595717.html) by Richard Justice of the Houston Chronicle.

It's always a day late and a dollar short with this clown, ain't it?:whew

threetoedpete
03-02-2007, 07:54 AM
Why can't Carr stand on his own ?

Why do you have to try and deflect attention away from him, and point fingers at someone else ?

He played poorly last season, this is the Texans message board, he's the QB...He's going to be a hot topic...What's so strange about that ?

Brcause the o-line has been a train wreck since Bosselli's wing didn't mend ? Just let us know there xt when the o-line hits the smell test for your nostrills. We're waiting with baited breath.

Marcus
03-02-2007, 08:02 AM
Brcause the o-line has been a train wreck since Bosselli's wing didn't mend ? Just let us know there xt when the o-line hits the smell test for your nostrills. We're waiting with baited breath.

Just in case you haven't been paying attention there pete, I gave David Carr a pass for 4 years straight using the old OL excuse. I don't know how long you intend on using it, but I think four years is enough for me.

You might wanna think about using a different angle if you want to remain credible, IMO.

Battle Red Flash
03-02-2007, 08:14 AM
The very same people who want Carr gone, actually think he can be traded for what? A 2nd, or 3rd, or 4th, or 5th round draft pick? Some need to face reality that Carr's trade value is ZERO with all the public crucifiction of Carr that is taking place.
The other team's GMs don't live in a vacuum, folks.

Just heard this morn, (3-2-07), on Mike & Mike that Golic and Stink and Greeny all think Carr can be good or very good somewhere else.
They all said no QB could have been good behind the Texans line. I'm telling you, Carr has value. The national media and other coaches blame the line, not Carr.

HuttoKarl
03-02-2007, 08:26 AM
I've had a change of heart. I'm all for releasing David Carr, swallowing his cap hit, and letting Sage start for a season. We have to draft a QB though. We'll also be set up for a top five pick next season because Sage isn't as good as many of you think he is after his one good almost a half of football this season.

The only condition is that we don't pick up any veteran QB. Just let Sage do it while Rookie QB stews w/ the clipboard.

So...does releasing David and not signing Plummer or Brad Stinky Johnson free up any money at all?

Marcus
03-02-2007, 08:48 AM
So...does releasing David and not signing Plummer or Brad Stinky Johnson free up any money at all?

Releasing David and not signing Plummer or anyone else works fine with me. I'm perfectly satisfied with seeing what Kubiak can do with the other QBs that we have.

In regards to freeing up money by releasing Carr, I frankly could care less. Only a moron could not see this whole Carr issue as nothing but a giant distraction to the team. They need to excise this cancer and move on.

threetoedpete
03-02-2007, 09:03 AM
Just in case you haven't been paying attention there pete, I gave David Carr a pass for 4 years straight using the old OL excuse. I don't know how long you intend on using it, but I think four years is enough for me.

You might wanna think about using a different angle if you want to remain credible, IMO.

Untill they fix the OLT ? just saying. You've got holes at center and at OLT and the herd's thinking is that you fix that by 1. dumping DC. 2. Draft a FS and/or a front line running back. I agree it's old. When are we going to fix it...regardless of David ? How many years till we reach "the year". The o-line is not just "an excuse" It's apt. It applies. Far easier to bash the guy though. I'm looking forward to the next guy that gets scape goated on the boards when the deal with DC is done. Gonna be a hoot seeing which way you guys jump.

NFLforher
03-02-2007, 09:15 AM
Just heard this morn, (3-2-07), on Mike & Mike that Golic and Stink and Greeny all think Carr can be good or very good somewhere else.
They all said no QB could have been good behind the Texans line. I'm telling you, Carr has value. The national media and other coaches blame the line, not Carr.


I was listening to ESPN and Fox Sports radio last night and they said the same thing.... the Texans stink and Carr has the tools and should go somewhere else.

The Pencil Neck
03-02-2007, 09:18 AM
Untill they fix the OLT ? just saying. You've got holes at center and at OLT and the herd's thinking is that you fix that by 1. dumping DC. 2. Draft a FS and/or a front line running back. I agree it's old. When are we going to fix it...regardless of David ? How many years till we reach "the year". The o-line is not just "an excuse" It's apt. It applies. Far easier to bash the guy though. I'm looking forward to the next guy that gets scape goated on the boards when the deal with DC is done. Gonna be a hoot seeing which way you guys jump.

The problem with DC's performance this past year wasn't the line. It was the ghost of lines past. If you take away the times he sacked himself this year, you end up with an average number of sacks for an offensive line. If you're running a play that calls for three steps and delivering the ball, you don't pull the ball down and start twiddling your thumbs without expecting to get sacked. The protection wasn't designed to give you all day to throw. And there were plenty of other times where he had plenty of protection and couldn't get the job done.

Our line right now is not perfect but it's not the train wreck you're making it out to be. It's slightly below average. I would love for us to improve it but even if we improve it, it's not going to make a difference to Carr's performance. The beatings that Carr took earlier in his career have gotten into his head and he's damaged goods now; he's so uncomfortable in the pocket that he doesn't know what to do with time when he gets it. And I don't think he can tell when receivers are open anymore; you have to either be totally and completely uncovered OR Andre Johnson to see the ball.

I believe that we could put a QB in there with much less potential than Carr and get much better performance.

HuttoKarl
03-02-2007, 09:21 AM
I don't think Carr was playing bad for the first few games. When Spencer and then Flanagan went down, there was a collapse.

Maybe Oakland would swap him for Jerry Porter or Randy Moss. Then we can send Ashley packing after his interview.

2BCF
03-02-2007, 09:42 AM
The problem with DC's performance this past year wasn't the line. It was the ghost of lines past. If you take away the times he sacked himself this year, you end up with an average number of sacks for an offensive line. If you're running a play that calls for three steps and delivering the ball, you don't pull the ball down and start twiddling your thumbs without expecting to get sacked. The protection wasn't designed to give you all day to throw. And there were plenty of other times where he had plenty of protection and couldn't get the job done.

Our line right now is not perfect but it's not the train wreck you're making it out to be. It's slightly below average. I would love for us to improve it but even if we improve it, it's not going to make a difference to Carr's performance. The beatings that Carr took earlier in his career have gotten into his head and he's damaged goods now; he's so uncomfortable in the pocket that he doesn't know what to do with time when he gets it. And I don't think he can tell when receivers are open anymore; you have to either be totally and completely uncovered OR Andre Johnson to see the ball.

I believe that we could put a QB in there with much less potential than Carr and get much better performance.

Let's hope Kubes & Co. realize the same thing.

Marcus
03-04-2007, 07:26 PM
Just heard this morn, (3-2-07), on Mike & Mike that Golic and Stink and Greeny all think Carr can be good or very good somewhere else.
They all said no QB could have been good behind the Texans line. I'm telling you, Carr has value. The national media and other coaches blame the line, not Carr.

You're forgetting about that huge contract of his. There might in fact be other GMs who think can be a good QB on their team, but Carr's contract is a deal killer.