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gtexan02
02-28-2007, 05:41 PM
Trade a 5th for Moulds, have poor QB all year, then turn around and cut him. We don't have depth at WR, and I'm sure some other team would have offered us at least a 7th.

Trade a 7th for Kevin Walter who shows up once a game on 3rd and long, makes his catch, and disapears again.

Cut R Smith and S Payne and now openly list DT as one of our weakest points

Draft Williams and sign Weaver and list DE/pass rush as our one of our biggest flaws

Pass on Leinart, Cutler, and Young and throw all eggs into the D Carr basket, only to shop him for a 4th round pick the following year

Drop Morran Norris for a "pass catching" FB who caught a total of 18 passes last year, meanwhile Norris helps the lowly 49ers completely burst into the running season

Cut Wiegart and openly shop around for another RT

Pay big bucks to Flannagan and then list center as one of our holes

Am I forgetting anyone?? I mean, sheesh, you'd think Capers and Casserly slipped into the coaching staff and started making secret phone calls

Sure some of these players are getting old and expensive, but as long we adopt the "We don't need no stinkin leadership or depth" mentality, we are going to be frustrated for a while..

alphajoker
02-28-2007, 05:52 PM
Maybe the FO intentions are to trade down, acquire multiple draft picks and fill these holes. But what do I know? I'm just a Texans fan with high hopes that 2007 will finally be the year we have a winning season and possibly make the playoffs. Is that too much to ask for?

Runner
02-28-2007, 06:17 PM
This is one of the most interesting thread starting posts I've seen in a long time.

I agree that with all the infusion of new, "more talented" players last year we seem to have just as many holes now as we did then. How did that happen????

I know the injury to Spencer is unpredictable and hurts the plan, but the team now has major needs where they shouldn't after last year's transactions. They have almost no tackles to even consider as starters, they've weakened one group - receiver - that could have gone into camp unchanged, they still worry about rushing the passer, they had about their worst running game ever last year, etc.

They must have a killer plan ready to execute Friday.

I look forward to the theories on this thread...

gtexan02
02-28-2007, 06:21 PM
Ack I just realized Vinny posted the same thing way before me over in another thread.


I'd call it "building" since we would have to be "built" to rebuild I guess....but seriously, I have a hard time wrapping my mind around a lot of Kubiak's moves. Last year Kubiak passed on Young and re-upped Carr.....we brought in Weaver and Williams and yet we still need pass rushers...we traded for Gado but Morency clearly outplayed him at GB and Gado looks no better than fodder at this point....Kubiak brought in Moulds but now he is gone...Cook was brought in and benched while Morran Norris is now beloved over at 49erville as Gore was leading the NFC in rushing. We sign Walters to a pretty nice contract (and gave up a 7th round pick) but he was the invisible man last year....Jeb Putzier couldn't hold his job either.

I donno....this team is a mystery to me right now. I'm kinda "eh" on the moves at this point.

Not quite the same, but a lot of similarities. I forgot Gado for Morency....when will the hurting stop :(

afcman
02-28-2007, 06:24 PM
Why not get Jeff Garcia or Brad Johnson for say a 2 yr deal as the QB starter? Then focus on trying to fix the Capers and Casserly history in the draft and off season.

I can certainly think of worst things to happen.

Texans34Life
02-28-2007, 06:25 PM
Very well put, gtexan02.

It seems like every year we are starting over as an expansion team.

No consistency.

Ole Miss Texan
02-28-2007, 06:32 PM
i don't really know where i stand on the qb isssue. I don't really see a point of getting a veteran quarterback to just play one or two years here. we have that in carr...even if he's not the answer which the majority here would agree...he'd be here the 2 years of his contract and then leave. we have to pay him the $4million of whats left of his bonus...so i say might as well keep him if the next quarterback we're going to get just isnt going to be the answer anyways.

The moulds cut boggles my mind. I just don't get it. He had to of been upset here and asked to be released so he can finish his career on a high note and some place he wants and have fun. Why the heck did we give up a 5th round pick for a one year guy? and it was during rebuilding!

a lot is happening behind closed doors that we have no idea about. We're getting rid of a lot of guys but as of now nobody to replace them.

I expect something big is going to happen in free agency. All this just makes me even more confused on who we're going to draft. Every move they make keeps me saying well...its' clear its going the be levi brown....oh wait...no now its amobi okoye....hmmm no now its brady quinn. What the hecks going on!!!!! it's making me go insane.

afcman
02-28-2007, 06:35 PM
It seems like every year we are starting over as an expansion team

Well that's why I'm looking forward to this years draft and then this next season. We finally got rid of Capers and Casserly.....maybe the owner finally "got it" and decided to pick it up. As a team though, if the Texans don't show improvement in the next 2 yrs.....well, I don't even want to go there.

I really do think though that Kubs would have made more drastic changes this last season if he'd had the players to put on the field. But he didn't and was forced to make the best of the situation. It has to be a tough gig.

afcman
02-28-2007, 06:39 PM
I don't really see a point of getting a veteran quarterback to just play one or two years here.

Well, we know what we have with Carr. And the team needs a spark in a MAJOR way. A veteran QB could provide some much needed leadership. Just a thought.

Ole Miss Texan
02-28-2007, 06:42 PM
Well, we know what we have with Carr. And the team needs a spark in a MAJOR way. A veteran QB could provide some much needed leadership. Just a thought.

Is that potential spark worth his bloated salary and carr's 4 million dollars we would have to pay anyway?

if we go that route, i hope he would bring a lot of experience and leadership that our young guys could take to heart and improve them for years to come.

nunusguy
02-28-2007, 06:48 PM
Trade a 5th for Moulds, have poor QB all year, then turn around and cut him. We don't have depth at WR, and I'm sure some other team would have offered us at least a 7th.

Trade a 7th for Kevin Walter who shows up once a game on 3rd and long, makes his catch, and disapears again.

Cut R Smith and S Payne and now openly list DT as one of our weakest points

Draft Williams and sign Weaver and list DE/pass rush as our one of our biggest flaws

Pass on Leinart, Cutler, and Young and throw all eggs into the D Carr basket, only to shop him for a 4th round pick the following year

Drop Morran Norris for a "pass catching" FB who caught a total of 18 passes last year, meanwhile Norris helps the lowly 49ers completely burst into the running season

Cut Wiegart and openly shop around for another RT

Pay big bucks to Flannagan and then list center as one of our holes

Am I forgetting anyone?? I mean, sheesh, you'd think Capers and Casserly slipped into the coaching staff and started making secret phone calls

Sure some of these players are getting old and expensive, but as long we adopt the "We don't need no stinkin leadership or depth" mentality, we are going to be frustrated for a while..
Excellect summary and a damaging indictment of the first year of personnel
decisions under Kubiak, notwithstanding a brilliant pick in the 'bama backer.
Lest just hope that Rick Smith is more astute in his rookie year !

HoustonFrog
02-28-2007, 06:49 PM
Well, we know what we have with Carr. And the team needs a spark in a MAJOR way. A veteran QB could provide some much needed leadership. Just a thought.

This is exactly why I liked the Plummer deal if we could have restructured him. I don't think he is our SB savior but he knows the system and has won before...even on a horrible Cards team. He isn't the only one but if you bring in the vet, draft a guy this year or next to learn and keep building, then you are going somewhere. Right now we seem still in neutral with the same talk.

I agree with the author of the thread. Look what happened in that horrible 05 draft and look what we have tried to do since then. I don't see much difference. It is like they are guessing with no plan at times. I also agree with the author and Vinny on the draft. I know we can't fix it now but how can you have the most talented draft, skill wide in years and skip those guys for defense, only to need the same type guys this year and you STILL don't have the game breakers?I'm just shaking my head daily.

afcman
02-28-2007, 06:49 PM
Is that potential spark worth his bloated salary and carr's 4 million dollars we would have to pay anyway?

How much money has the team spent in the last 5 yrs only to say we are rebuilding?

Erratic Assassin
02-28-2007, 07:20 PM
Kubiak is much better at tearing things apart than putting them back together. He seems to think he can cut people and cut people and cut people until we end up with a Superbowl caliber team.

We had no depth when he got here and he's only making it worse. He's been doing that since the day we got him.

What's the point in cutting a guy when you have no one better to replace him?

edo783
02-28-2007, 07:25 PM
Moulds may have been a bit of a malcontent. He sure didn't get a bunch of balls tossed at him (certainly should have had a lot more when AJ is locked up), but if you remember, he was complaining in Buffalo before he came to us. Could just be a guy who is slipping and trying to deflect some of the blame for low production both here and in Buffalo.

Navy_Chris
02-28-2007, 07:30 PM
Maybe the FO intentions are to trade down, acquire multiple draft picks and fill these holes. But what do I know? I'm just a Texans fan with high hopes that 2007 will finally be the year we have a winning season and possibly make the playoffs. Is that too much to ask for?

My guess is, prepare to be 'underwhelmed'. I'm pretty convinced that Casserly's intent was to screw us over before he left town. If you're Bob McNair, why in the world do you let him oversee the 2006 Draft right before he leaves?

aj.
02-28-2007, 07:30 PM
Some of these are easy, some are not.

Moulds? Head scratcher to me at the moment. It's possible there was some disgruntle at work and maybe even a request for release.

Walter? Our offense couldn't deliver a forward pass with reliability to our #2 (see above) much less our #3. I don't have a problem with this.

R Smith? Stupid bloated contract from the previous regime for a guy who showed up for two games per year? Bad egg. Necessary move.

S Payne? 32 years old - two massive knee injuries and a big cap number. I completely understand that move.

Draft Williams and sign Weaver and list DE/pass rush as our one of our biggest flaws? Factor in the other DE position being shared by ineffective tweener holdovers from the previous 3-4 regime (one who the previous GM traded away half our draft to get), another 1st round bust from a previous regime (the guy we bypassed DJ and a Pro Bowl to be Jamal Brown to get), and the holes (and dead money) created by Walker, Smith and Payne, and yes, I can see why there is still a weakness there -- and the vast majority of it is not on the current regime.

Pass on Leinart, Cutler, and Young and throw all eggs into the D Carr basket, only to shop him for a 4th round pick the following year? Stupid and inexcusable.

Drop Morran Norris for a "pass catching" FB who caught a total of 18 passes last year, meanwhile Norris helps the lowly 49ers completely burst into the running season? I always liked Moran ... didn't like that one myself.

Cut Wiegart and openly shop around for another RT? 35 years old, high cap number (from the previous regime) and hurt... no brainer

Pay big bucks to Flannagan and then list center as one of our holes? He didn't get 'big bucks'.. 3 yrs 9 million is nothing. It was widely advertised last year that he was being brought in by Sherman as much for his locker room presence than anything. His skills had noticeably diminished prior to last season.

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Vinny
02-28-2007, 07:30 PM
Moulds may have been a bit of a malcontent. He sure didn't get a bunch of balls tossed at him (certainly should have had a lot more when AJ is locked up), but if you remember, he was complaining in Buffalo before he came to us. Could just be a guy who is slipping and trying to deflect some of the blame for low production both here and in Buffalo.
He caught 57 passes as a wr2....I mean, in this sad sack offense I thought he caught a lot of balls although he was rarely looked at.

tulexan
02-28-2007, 07:35 PM
Don't forget passing on Reggie Bush and now looking for a playmaker.

aj.
02-28-2007, 07:37 PM
Reggie doesn't bother me as much as the other guy. Reggie needs a guy like Deuce to excel. They help each other's game immensely. RB fell into the perfect situation over there. Given the choice of AP or RB, I'd take the Sooner from Palestine.

Lucky
02-28-2007, 07:38 PM
Excellect summary and a damaging indictment of the first year of personnel
decisions under Kubiak, notwithstanding a brilliant pick in the 'bama backer.
Lest just hope that Rick Smith is more astute in his rookie year !
But they did make that pick. And got good value in the 3rd with a couple of o-line prospects. And found a good TE in the 4th. Picked up a decent RB prospect as a UDFA. Plus, Smith made a couple of astute street FA signings. Not to mention, they've already unloaded tons of Casserly/Capers deadwood. Looks like a selective summary, to me.


What's the point in cutting a guy when you have no one better to replace him?
The free agency period begins at 12 a.m. Friday and the draft doesn't begin until April 28th, so it's premature to say whether or not there will be a upgrade.

Really, Kubiak and Smith are in a no-win situation from a public relations standpoint. If they keep the status quo, they're not aggresive enough. If they slash & burn through the roster, they're grasping at straws. Hopefully, they won't listen to the criticism, and just put the best team they can out on the field this September.

Erratic Assassin
02-28-2007, 07:46 PM
Trade a 5th for Moulds, then turn around and cut him.

Cut R Smith and S Payne and now openly list DT as one of our weakest points

Pay big bucks to Flannagan and then list center as one of our holes

I seriously have to question Kubiak's judgement. He doesn't appear to know what he's doing.

BuffSoldier
02-28-2007, 07:50 PM
Strangely, it does seem like we start every year like an expansion team. I dont understand the moves that we make, but I have to at least give Ric Smith a chance to show what he has in store for the franchise. That being said I cant say it any better than GTexan, we release Seth Payne and Robair Smith like Travis Johnson has been the first rounder we expected. AJ lead the NFL in receptions, I doubt that he would have been in the pro-bowl had Kevin Walter been lined up oppisite him.

aj.
02-28-2007, 07:52 PM
He doesn't appear to know what he's doing.

He obviously knows a little bit considering they were able to go 3-3 in Division and win 6 games with that rag tag bunch last season. Salaam, Winston, Dayne, Taylor, Thomas Johnson, Maddox all starting or playing major roles .... eek.

Navy_Chris
02-28-2007, 08:18 PM
He obviously knows a little bit considering they were able to go 3-3 in Division and win 6 games with that rag tag bunch last season. Salaam, Winston, Dayne, Taylor, Thomas Johnson, Maddox all starting or playing major roles .... eek.

Ah Ha. But, we always put a rag tag bunch on the field. Every season, without fail.

Tulip
02-28-2007, 08:20 PM
Seeing all of those FO moves in one post....I'm a little worried.

edo783
02-28-2007, 08:20 PM
He caught 57 passes as a wr2....I mean, in this sad sack offense I thought he caught a lot of balls although he was rarely looked at.

That's kind of my point Vinny. He didn't get the looks he should have. He should have been option #1 a lot more than he was just to help keep the dogs off of AJ a bit more. He is getting older and probably knows he isn't long for the NFL and that he should have got more looks than he did. I put that down to mostly our scheme and having AJ as the first choice target 90% of the time. If you think about it, if you were getting close to heading out the door, wouldn't you want to get the most tosses your way as you could before you hit the bricks? He wasn't happy in Buffalo IIRC because they didn't chuck it his direction enough and I think it is somewhat the same here pluse the short rout thing thrown in for good measure. I suspect he just thinks he could/should be doing better and got pretty vocal about it and both parties decided to split. Then add in the youth movement thing and it makes sense, but it also means they misread him as far as father time and misused him.

DocBar
02-28-2007, 08:24 PM
This seems quite a bit premature. Kubes has one whole year as a HC under his belt. He also had to deal with all the trash Dumb Capers, CC & Co. left him. I think he looked like exactly what he is- A rookie HC. Let's wait until this time next year before we start the "Fire Kubiak Club". I'm as sick of losing as anybody on this board. I travel all over the world, proudly displaying my Texans paraphenalia, despite all the jokes and ridicule, but I'm not ready to overly criticize the coach while he's trying to clean up someones elses mess.
:twocents:

Hervoyel
02-28-2007, 08:32 PM
He caught 57 passes as a wr2....I mean, in this sad sack offense I thought he caught a lot of balls although he was rarely looked at.


If I'm not mistaken he had the best season ever of any Texans WR not named Andre Johnson.

2006:
#1 Andre Johnson: 103
#2 Eric Moulds: 57

2005:
#1 Andre Johnson: 63
#2 Jabbar Gaffney: 55

2004:
#1 Andre Johnson: 79
#2 Jabbar Gaffney: 41

2003:
#1 Andre Johnson: 66
#2 Jabbar Gaffney: 34

2002:
#1 Corey Bradford: 45
#2 Jabbar Gaffney: 41

Based on just that evidence I'd like to know why we got rid of Jabbar Gaffney last year. I'd like to know why we sent him packing before anybody even tried to see if he was capable of more (which is what I felt happened at the time). If the answer is that Moulds performance was equally as poor as Gaffneys and that's why he was let go then I'd like to know how they expect any #2 here to get the ball to himself enough to merit sticking around.

I'm not getting the Moulds move at all.

Tulip
02-28-2007, 08:36 PM
Domanick Davis had 68 catches in 2004. Sweet.

Tulip
02-28-2007, 08:39 PM
Based on just that evidence I'd like to know why we got rid of Jabbar Gaffney last year. I'd like to know why we sent him packing before anybody even tried to see if he was capable of more (which is what I felt happened at the time). If the answer is that Moulds performance was equally as poor as Gaffneys and that's why he was let go then I'd like to know how they expect any #2 here to get the ball to himself enough to merit sticking around.

I'm not getting the Moulds move at all.

I'm just as confused about both receivers as well. If they continue in this direction, I guess they should just stick some cheap undrafted free agent over there in no man's land. There's no sense in wasting a draft pick.

TwinSisters
02-28-2007, 08:40 PM
If I'm not mistaken he had the best season ever of any Texans WR not named Andre Johnson.

I don't contest the rest of the post about the other WRs, but I don't think you can use just receptions to say Moulds was the best #2 ever.

Yards, TDs, Yards per catch, etc.

Everybody caught a TD in 2004. ( but we didn't use TEs that year that much )

Dime
02-28-2007, 08:43 PM
Wow.... I mean just wow. It sounds like some of you are disappointed we didnt make the superbowl with Kub last year. Kub improved our wins by four, and he is a rook coach, and you all are already bashing him in the second year. I have a idea... lets give him a shhhhhh... chance. WTH. Let him try to improve the team before you start jumping on the 'He dont know what he is doing' junk. He has a plan.... let him work it before you throw him under the bus... k?

Hervoyel
02-28-2007, 09:17 PM
I don't contest the rest of the post about the other WRs, but I don't think you can use just receptions to say Moulds was the best #2 ever.

Yards, TDs, Yards per catch, etc.

Everybody caught a TD in 2004. ( but we didn't use TEs that year that much )

Of course I understand and agree. When I throw out number of catches I'm just saying that you can't catch balls that aren't throw to you and in terms of how many balls our #2 wideout caught Moulds edged out the previous "record holder" by a couple of catches.

Now that tells me that he didn't have the year they expected of him (no real improvement over Gaffneys best year) and if that's the case then how do they think he's going to have better-than-Gaffney numbers of he doesn't see better-than-Gaffney opportunities. If they cut him for his performance then it's a crock of toro muffins and if they cut him because of the money he was going to make then why did they bother to bring him here in the first place.

That's just what I think about it though.

SAMURAITEXAN
02-28-2007, 09:43 PM
Kubiak is a pro and we are as football fans(Not Pro). Yeah, he is a rookie HC but, spent many years in pro level. Like Dime said, we improved our W by 4 games. What your guys complaining about? Why don't we have a little trust in him? Except Moulds, all the other players got cut are from previous regime. After one year of HC job, watching players and evaluating them, Kubiak and FO came to a conclusion that some players are not worthy of paying money that their current contract/s demands or do not fit Kubiak's scheme. They are more likely felt that these position could be replaced from FA and Draft or from current roster IMO.

What I am saying is that first year we keep best players left from previous regime and evaluate. Second year, to find more missing pieces of a puzzle. It takes at least a few years to rebuild.

We are more likely to see Kubiak's scheme kind of players on the field next year. So why don't we wait and see before we come to a conclusion.

I like Payne and sorry to see him go but, this is the way of NFL I guess.

Remember, we had worst record only 2 wins two years ago.

GO TEXANS!!

blockhead83
02-28-2007, 11:10 PM
Some of these are easy, some are not.

Moulds? Head scratcher to me at the moment. It's possible there was some disgruntle at work and maybe even a request for release.

Walter? Our offense couldn't deliver a forward pass with reliability to our #2 (see above) much less our #3. I don't have a problem with this.

R Smith? Stupid bloated contract from the previous regime for a guy who showed up for two games per year? Bad egg. Necessary move.

S Payne? 32 years old - two massive knee injuries and a big cap number. I completely understand that move.

Draft Williams and sign Weaver and list DE/pass rush as our one of our biggest flaws? Factor in the other DE position being shared by ineffective tweener holdovers from the previous 3-4 regime (one who the previous GM traded away half our draft to get), another 1st round bust from a previous regime (the guy we bypassed DJ and a Pro Bowl to be Jamal Brown to get), and the holes (and dead money) created by Walker, Smith and Payne, and yes, I can see why there is still a weakness there -- and the vast majority of it is not on the current regime.

Pass on Leinart, Cutler, and Young and throw all eggs into the D Carr basket, only to shop him for a 4th round pick the following year? Stupid and inexcusable.

Drop Morran Norris for a "pass catching" FB who caught a total of 18 passes last year, meanwhile Norris helps the lowly 49ers completely burst into the running season? I always liked Moran ... didn't like that one myself.

Cut Wiegart and openly shop around for another RT? 35 years old, high cap number (from the previous regime) and hurt... no brainer

Pay big bucks to Flannagan and then list center as one of our holes? He didn't get 'big bucks'.. 3 yrs 9 million is nothing. It was widely advertised last year that he was being brought in by Sherman as much for his locker room presence than anything. His skills had noticeably diminished prior to last season.

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This pretty well sums my sentiments. Don't forget Rick Smith did pull some winners out of thin air like Anthony Maddox and Vonta Leach. Some other players who we thought would have minimal contributions, a la Ron Dayne and Ephraim Salaam also turned out to be much better than we thought. I'm going to give the Kubiak/Smith tandem one full off-season together and a season's worth of results before I lay any judgement.

I won't lie, I'm surprised to see that Moulds/Payne didn't work out and were cut, but I'm going to give them the benefit of the doubt at this point.

mikey21
02-28-2007, 11:32 PM
the fo needs to stop being cute and stop trying to make themselves look smarter then they are, bring in some proven guys,they don't have to be super stars but guys that have been around and have been productive, they need to stop trying to make wine out of water

The Pencil Neck
03-01-2007, 12:23 AM
I seriously have to question Kubiak's judgement. He doesn't appear to know what he's doing.

Personally, I think most of his moves have made a lot of sense. The Moulds cut caught me by surprise but I think there's more going on with Moulds than any of us know about.

Kubiak is a HC at the beginning of his 2nd year and he's trying to put the team together the way he wants it. He improved our win total by 4 from the previous year and had us in a lot of games this past year that we ended up losing. He's going to make some mistakes... but there isn't a front office out there that doesn't make some mistakes. Right now, we haven't even begun the free agent period, let alone had the draft. There's a lot more that needs to happen before we'll have a clear picture of what their plan is... and before we'll be able to figure out whether we agree with it or not.

BSofA04
03-01-2007, 12:34 AM
Personally, I think most of his moves have made a lot of sense. The Moulds cut caught me by surprise but I think there's more going on with Moulds than any of us know about.

Kubiak is a HC at the beginning of his 2nd year and he's trying to put the team together the way he wants it. He improved our win total by 4 from the previous year and had us in a lot of games this past year that we ended up losing. He's going to make some mistakes... but there isn't a front office out there that doesn't make some mistakes. Right now, we haven't even begun the free agent period, let alone had the draft. There's a lot more that needs to happen before we'll have a clear picture of what their plan is... and before we'll be able to figure out whether we agree with it or not.

Well said. Give Kubiak a chance...he's got us headed in the right direction. I have a feeling that he'll make some waves later this week with FA's.

Roughnecks
03-01-2007, 12:50 AM
Last year was a try out for Kubes he wanted to see who wanted to play and who wanted to collect a check. Given the age of the guys they let go I can see why they did. I wonder how pissed AJ is that they let Moulds go and if this will effect how he approaches his contract when it comes up. Kubes and company are not stupid they are cutting the rest of the fat that they could not cut off last year. On the down side of all this is the lack of depth and the fact that the new players that come in have to learn the schemes. They need a back be it through a trade like with the Bills free agent which to me no one stands out other than Lewis from the Ravens down hill runner type player they like or draft. Then build the defense up till they can get the offense together it want look pretty but if we lose I like to see our defense take some heads off.

Roughnecks
03-01-2007, 12:53 AM
They need to fill the weak spots first

1) RB,Secondary,o-line,d-line,wideout,QB

2) Well every thing else

What can I say it is going to be another long year just hang in there guys.

aj.
03-01-2007, 06:15 AM
If you read Smith and Kubiak's comments this morning, and take them literally, they think Walter is a better option at the 2 heading into '07 ... It's not like we need a 3, right?

"The cap was a big issue with Zach and Seth, but it wasn't with Eric. That was a football decision on my part."

In his only season with the Texans, Moulds caught 57 passes but scored only one touchdown.

"That was a tough decision on Eric, but I really think a lot of Kevin," Kubiak said. "He's got the ability to be a starter. He's got what I like. He's tough. He's got a great work ethic. He's willing to do anything you ask of him."



Taking Kubiak at face value ... they like Walter better at #2. But there was no cap savings and if it was such a "tough" decision, why do it? Something doesn't add up. I wonder if Moulds wanted out... I can't believe his physical skills have deteriorated to the point of ineffectiveness. They may target a guy like Meacham at 39 of he lasts that long, or they may be targeting a guy like Stallworth (which I kind of doubt) who can get downfield unlike Moulds or Walter. Or maybe they think Mathis can actually be a WR ...

The article also says to expect them to try to re-sign Salaam

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/4592006.html

gtexan02
03-01-2007, 06:23 AM
If you read Smith and Kubiak's comments this morning, they signed Moulds and Walter, and they think Walter is a better option heading into '07 ... based on what, I don't know.

So Walter hasmoved up the depth chart and is now slated to be #2?

TheOgre
03-01-2007, 07:01 AM
Something doesn't add up. I wonder if Moulds wanted out.

That is the only explanation that makes any sense. We got one decent season out of him, but more importantly, he had a good impact on AJ IMO. Not worth the 5th rounder and the money, but not a complete waste like some of our previous decisions (Hollings, Babin, T. Johnson, etc.)

tsip
03-01-2007, 07:08 AM
Wow.... I mean just wow. It sounds like some of you are disappointed we didn't make the superbowl with Kub last year. Kub improved our wins by four, and he is a rook coach, and you all are already bashing him in the second year. I have a idea... lets give him a shhhhhh... chance. TH. Let him try to improve the team before you start jumping on the 'He dont know what he is doing' junk. He has a plan.... let him work it before you throw him under the bus... k?

I think that posters are a little confused as they try to understand Kubiak's 'plan.' For example, he lets Jabar go to the Pats (where they already have his jersey for sale on their web site)/signs,cuts Moulds to replace him with a WR that was barely used last year-cuts a FB that goes on to be all-pro and replaces him with a player he cuts-gets rid of an RB (Morency) that has a good year at GB and replaces him with an RB from GB that doesn't see the playing field for most of the year...etc.

Is part of his plan eliminating a vertical passing game? We signed a new #2 and #3 in '06 and didn't use them...part of the plan? 11 passing tds, part of the plan?...

Your right...we need to give Kubiak a chance...however-more than that-here's hoping he really does have a plan and maybe, just maybe-we get to see it sooner than later.

New_Texans
03-01-2007, 07:30 AM
Wont be long before Andre wants out too.

nunusguy
03-01-2007, 07:51 AM
But they did make that pick. And got good value in the 3rd with a couple of o-line prospects. And found a good TE in the 4th. Picked up a decent RB prospect as a UDFA. Plus, Smith made a couple of astute street FA signings. Not to mention, they've already unloaded tons of Casserly/Capers deadwood. Looks like a selective summary, to me.


I really think the Texans Draft last year was mediorce after you back out the
DeMeco pick, and you factor in that we were picking #1 and took a tremendous cap hit. But I am one of many if not most who think the Texans could have selected other individual players or traded for multiple picks and done much more for the team than they did with the Mario selection.
Regarding the rookie OLT, we really don't know how Spencer would have progressed had he not been injured, and that question is still outstanding and may never be answered ?
And with the 66th overall pick in the Draft in Winston, you'd expect to find an Olineman who could start some games for you by the time he got into the latter stages of his first year.
Lundy was no big deal, and was just one of a 3 or 4 member commodity pool at RB where no single player established his superiority as the teams starter.
Daniels was a nice little surprise as a pass receiving TE, but I think the verdict on him is still out there so far as having the size, strength, and durability to be our full time TE.
But I'd give the Draft a C (as I said without including DeMeco for the sake of argument), and as the previous poster basically said, Kubiaks FA decisions left much to be desired to say the least. Average all of that together and IMO Kubiaks first year in the personell dept. was not satisfactory.
Together hopefully he in his second year along with new GM Smith will get us more bang for our bucks in the 2007 FA & Draft.

Dime
03-01-2007, 07:53 AM
I think that posters are a little confused as they try to understand Kubiak's 'plan.' For example, he lets Jabar go to the Pats (where they already have his jersey for sale on their web site)/signs,cuts Moulds to replace him with a WR that was barely used last year-cuts a FB that goes on to be all-pro and replaces him with a player he cuts-gets rid of an RB (Morency) that has a good year at GB and replaces him with an RB from GB that doesn't see the playing field for most of the year...etc.

Is part of his plan eliminating a vertical passing game? We signed a new #2 and #3 in '06 and didn't use them...part of the plan? 11 passing tds, part of the plan?...

Your right...we need to give Kubiak a chance...however-more than that-here's hoping he really does have a plan and maybe, just maybe-we get to see it sooner than later.

I understand what you are saying, but those who left go to better teams that have players already fitting thier schemes. They (the players that left) probably was not good for our scheme, so they went to schemes that were a better fit. I think Kub is just trying to find a good team first, then fitting in people in the scheme.

nunusguy
03-01-2007, 08:09 AM
Taking Kubiak at face value ... they like Walter better at #2.
Right, but the obvious question is why didn't Kubiak figure this out last year
"BEFORE" they signed "BOTH" of them to contracts and gave up a Draft pick for "EACH" of them ? In other words, the Moulds contract was an expensive test drive.

HuttoKarl
03-01-2007, 08:21 AM
Wow.... I mean just wow. It sounds like some of you are disappointed we didnt make the superbowl with Kub last year. Kub improved our wins by four, and he is a rook coach, and you all are already bashing him in the second year. I have a idea... lets give him a shhhhhh... chance. WTH. Let him try to improve the team before you start jumping on the 'He dont know what he is doing' junk. He has a plan.... let him work it before you throw him under the bus... k?


No kidding. It's pretty sad that so many people are crying about cutting old guys with injury issues and bloated price tags and one WR who's no spring chicken and was muttering ill thoughts under his breath all season.

Good riddance to all three.

As far as the team needs, Flanagan's not young, he got injured...why wouldn't we look for a younger C to fill that need. Our team played with DT's off the street for much of last season...it's no secret there's a hole there.

I'm not one to be happy with the status quo and love seeing this team get the big shakeup. When it's all said and done, there are about three positions on this team that we can't say "just about anyone would be an upgrade" for. Let's let it shake out before calling for Smith and Kubiak to be fired.

And I swear to God I think I read someone on this thread saying we should get BRAD JOHNSON!!!???? Get right, people.

Texans_Chick
03-01-2007, 08:22 AM
Some of these are easy, some are not.

Moulds? Head scratcher to me at the moment. It's possible there was some disgruntle at work and maybe even a request for release.

Walter? Our offense couldn't deliver a forward pass with reliability to our #2 (see above) much less our #3. I don't have a problem with this.

R Smith? Stupid bloated contract from the previous regime for a guy who showed up for two games per year? Bad egg. Necessary move.

S Payne? 32 years old - two massive knee injuries and a big cap number. I completely understand that move.

Draft Williams and sign Weaver and list DE/pass rush as our one of our biggest flaws? Factor in the other DE position being shared by ineffective tweener holdovers from the previous 3-4 regime (one who the previous GM traded away half our draft to get), another 1st round bust from a previous regime (the guy we bypassed DJ and a Pro Bowl to be Jamal Brown to get), and the holes (and dead money) created by Walker, Smith and Payne, and yes, I can see why there is still a weakness there -- and the vast majority of it is not on the current regime.

Pass on Leinart, Cutler, and Young and throw all eggs into the D Carr basket, only to shop him for a 4th round pick the following year? Stupid and inexcusable.

Drop Morran Norris for a "pass catching" FB who caught a total of 18 passes last year, meanwhile Norris helps the lowly 49ers completely burst into the running season? I always liked Moran ... didn't like that one myself.

Cut Wiegart and openly shop around for another RT? 35 years old, high cap number (from the previous regime) and hurt... no brainer

Pay big bucks to Flannagan and then list center as one of our holes? He didn't get 'big bucks'.. 3 yrs 9 million is nothing. It was widely advertised last year that he was being brought in by Sherman as much for his locker room presence than anything. His skills had noticeably diminished prior to last season.

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Excellent summary.

I believe that with Moulds and Norris there may be things that are being kept quiet. The Texans organization is genius at keeping certain things in house, despite lots of stuff hitting the fan. You get a sense of that with as surprising the Dunta Robinson Cold Pizza interview was--usually Texans don't dish.

As for David Carr thing, I do not understand the three year contract part of it, but I do believe a lot of teams in similar situations to the Texans would have done the same thing. I believe it was the conventional football decision to do. With all the needs of the team, bringing in a rookie quarterback to run a complicated offense with a bunch of guys who are also new to that offense wouldn't have been cake.

At the time Kubiak was hired, he had just seen video of Carr and never had a chance to work with him to see how he responds (or doesn't) to coaching. Carr's option had to be picked up right away if it was going to be. And the consultant, Dan Reeves had blessed DC as a quarterback that was worth keeping.

I'm not sure that I would rank that decision as completely stupid and inexcuable, because I can completely see why it was done given the needs of other places on the team. Also, at the time, VY didn't seem serious about being picked as the BPA as he hired someone completely inexperienced and inept at getting someone through the draft process, and even VY's biggest media supporters thought he would be a project. I like VY's upside more than a lot of folks, but I still think we need time to elapse to figure out how the 2006 draft ends up panning out.

Personally, I find it encouraging, and not grasping at straws, that the new folks are looking at all their options, including no DC. That all the players are responsible for their performance.

HuttoKarl
03-01-2007, 08:25 AM
So Walter hasmoved up the depth chart and is now slated to be #2?

Maybe he's going to catch more than one TD this upcoming season. I think he's a sure-handed guy and could be a better target in the red zone, along with Owen Daniels and Andre.

tsip
03-01-2007, 12:33 PM
I understand what you are saying, but those who left go to better teams that have players already fitting thier schemes. They (the players that left) probably was not good for our scheme, so they went to schemes that were a better fit. I think Kub is just trying to find a good team first, then fitting in people in the scheme.

...and Carr's good in our scheme? Well, the problem is the players that Kubes brought in have either been cut or aren't playing much-they aren't producing but the ones he cut are? JMO, but you can 'slice' that anyway you want, but it still doesn't make sense.

I would think-and I might be wrong-if you're going to replace players (for whatever reason), they should be better than the ones they replace...

Double Barrel
03-01-2007, 12:50 PM
For example, he lets Jabar go to the Pats (where they already have his jersey for sale on their web site)/.

Actually, the Eagles tried Gaffney out after we let him go. He didn't make it out of their TC, and went a solid month without playing for any team. The Patriots picked him up, but didn't really use him until the playoffs. And remember, with the Patriots, you have a potential HoF QB that can do more with less, which is obviously a luxury we have never had on the Texans. Gaffney is the kind of player that can excel when others around him are better, but is not one that will be the standout on a team full of nobodies.

afcman
03-01-2007, 01:03 PM
I'm pretty convinced that Casserly's intent was to screw us over before he left town. If you're Bob McNair, why in the world do you let him oversee the 2006 Draft right before he leaves?

Yeah, it STILL blows my mind.

leachmtb
03-01-2007, 01:10 PM
Actually, the Eagles tried Gaffney out after we let him go. He didn't make it out of their TC, and went a solid month without playing for any team. The Patriots picked him up, but didn't really use him until the playoffs. And remember, with the Patriots, you have a potential HoF QB that can do more with less, which is obviously a luxury we have never had on the Texans. Gaffney is the kind of player that can excel when others around him are better, but is not one that will be the standout on a team full of nobodies.

Thank you for saying it. I was about to post this. It was not that dumb of a decision. Obviously the Eagles didn't find much out of him, and everyone on here talks about how the Patriots don't have good recievers. So, it is that much easier to be productive.

As far as these moves not making sense, I think that they make some sense.

I can understand why some are mad that we are picking up D-line only to say that it is still a weakness, but look at it this way. They pick up Williams and Weaver in the offseason. Mario is a very capable and freakishly athletic D-End, who was gaining in productivity in the pass rush until he became injured and decided nonethless to step up and play hurt. I also think that Mario will look a lot better next season (aparantly Dunta does too, and his opinion counts a lot more than mine). Weaver, while uninjured was doing a decent job at run stopping, but was not expected to excel in pass rushes (hince why he was moved to DT on passing downs). So, the need for D-Line is more of a need for DT and another pass rusher. Both of which were idiotic picks by Casserly - TJ and Babin, that didn't work out.

I understand that it seems stupid that they cut both Robaire Smith and Payne, but hasn't it been stated that Robaire was an unimspiring player who brought other people down. And as far as Payne, how many games has he played in over 5 years. He gets hurt a lot, and he's not getting better. The Payne decision is a little bit harder to take, but I think the Smith decision actually made our team gel a little bit more.

I can't really remember what some of the other points of contention were, so I will only speak of this one.

tsip
03-01-2007, 01:10 PM
"complicated offense"

Obviously, you're not talking about the offense we've seen the last 5 yrs--when do you think we will see that offense.

If not until Kubiak gets all 'his' players-what if (like on most other teams) that never happens?

Meloy
03-01-2007, 01:53 PM
Moulds told Smith/Kubes, if DC stays, I am out of here. Kubes thinks he can still pull Carr out of the fire and said "Vaya con Dios!" Coulda happened.

Porky
03-01-2007, 02:39 PM
As usual, this team is like a rudderless ship. None of their moves seem to have one coherent goal. All I know is if the Texans keep Carr, the good ship SS Texans is headed right for an iceburg this season.

It's ok ladies and gents, the Captain wants you to have a good time. Go out to the deck, and enjoy the symphony. Everything is ok here. No problems. PAy no attention to that big white thing on the horizon. :ok:

Lucky
03-01-2007, 03:41 PM
I really think the Texans Draft last year was mediorce after you back out the
DeMeco pick...
I really think that once you take away her gorgeous face, stunning body, and ravishing legs...Jessica Alba is mediocre. That makes about as much sense as removing DeMeco Ryans from the Texans '06 draft evaluation. I guess you have your opinion. I think the Texans had one of the very best drafts of 2006. GBN Draft Report (http://www.gbnreport.com/2006midseasondraftgrades.html), for one, agrees with me. I think you're grapsing for straws on this one.

Vinny
03-01-2007, 03:48 PM
As for David Carr thing, I do not understand the three year contract part of it, but I do believe a lot of teams in similar situations to the Texans would have done the same thing. I believe it was the conventional football decision to do.I don't think it was conventional to give a second contract on pure speculation again. Your first NFL contract is on spec and the second one is based on what you did previously. They could have franchised him for one year or given him a two year deal with the promise to give him a big contract if he performs like a franchise player. Instead, they gave a guy who has let everyone down more franchise money for the max length...I wouldn't consider that conventional. I'd consider that naive.

Porky
03-01-2007, 03:51 PM
I don't think it was conventional to give a second contract on pure speculation again. Your first NFL contract is on spec and the second one is based on what you did previously. They could have franchised him for one year or given him a two year deal with the promise to give him a big contract if he performs like a franchise player. Instead, they gave a guy who has let everyone down more franchise money for the max length...I wouldn't consider that conventional. I'd consider that naive.

One man's naive is another mans moronic.

That would be this man if there was any doubt. :ok:

dirty steve
03-01-2007, 03:54 PM
I really think that once you take away her gorgeous face, stunning body, and ravishing legs...Jessica Alba is mediocre. That makes about as much sense as removing DeMeco Ryans from the Texans '06 draft evaluation. I guess you have your opinion. I think the Texans had one of the very best drafts of 2006. GBN Draft Report (http://www.gbnreport.com/2006midseasondraftgrades.html), for one, agrees with me. I think you're grapsing for straws on this one.
williams-starter
ryans-starter
spencer-starter (until injury)
winston-starter(later in the season)
daniels- starter
5th rd. moulds- starter
lundy
anderson- solid special teams performer

this was the best draft the Texans had bar none. Ryans and Williams should both be future Pro-Bowlers and daniels has great potential after catching 6 TD's this past year.

i guess some people always have to have something to complain about.

dirty steve
03-01-2007, 03:55 PM
One man's naive is another mans moronic.

That would be this man if there was any doubt. :ok:
i'd say you have used the "one man's" cliche a little too much. i guess you have to recycle things when your arguments get stale.