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prostock101
02-26-2007, 05:28 PM
Here we go now kids. Weigert and Payne. Gone. Stanley......Gone. Carr......another year. Winston....moves to guard. Spencer.....a big if. We'll probably pick up a FA tackle and if we keep the 8th pick, we draft AP if available and Levi Brown if not. Kubiak found a new son in Kolb and will draft in 2nd round if still there. Especially if we trade down for more picks. Davis/Williams......only training camp will tell. Lundy.....gone. Taylor will stick around and Dayne resigned. Gado......bye-bye-o.

And I am still a genius!!!!!!:yahoo:

kiwitexansfan
02-26-2007, 05:31 PM
Your genius claims collapsed in a heap when you pondered whether Kolb was still there at #8 in round 2.

Yes he will be there then, and probably for a round or so after that too.

I really doubt we take Kolb in the 2nd. If we do I will bow to your genius though.

powerfuldragon
02-26-2007, 05:31 PM
oh. i thought this thread was going to be about charley casserly.

Hulk75
02-26-2007, 05:35 PM
I am guessing if you play NCAA football in Houston or Texas that makes you great?

My guy throw a 8 yard come back and throw it in the ground, I am sure he will be around for a while in this draft. He did the same thing in the senior bowl. God love him because I went to UofH, but come on, NOT a 2nd rd guy.

Texan_Bill
02-26-2007, 05:45 PM
I am guessing if you play NCAA football in Houston or Texas that makes you great?

My guy throw a 8 yard come back and throw it in the ground, I am sure he will be around for a while in this draft. He did the same thing in the senior bowl. God love him because I went to UofH, but come on, NOT a 2nd rd guy.

No lower than a 3rd, which is about where he was projected.. And yes, he has made some bad throws, but who hasn't??

CoastalTexan
02-26-2007, 05:45 PM
Kubiak found a new son in Kolb and will draft in 2nd round if still there.

What leads you to believe this? Any links or quotes?

Porky
02-26-2007, 05:48 PM
I could see Kolb as going as high as the top of rd 2 to as low as mid 3rd. He is a good QB who needs time to develop, but I would be excited about Kolb in a Texans uni.

Nawzer
02-26-2007, 05:48 PM
oh. i thought this thread was going to be about charley casserly.

Don't know if anyone remembers the cartoon Pinky & The Brain (it was great don't know why it got canceled) from a few years back. But Casserly reminds me of The Brain and Dom Capers was his Pinky. All of Brains plans for world domination would come crashing down on him.

Texan_Bill
02-26-2007, 05:50 PM
I could see Kolb as going as high as the top of rd 2 to as low as mid 3rd. He is a good QB who needs time to develop, but I would be excited about Kolb in a Texans uni.

I agree with you although, that high at the top of the second round might be just a tad too high, because of the small school and "product of the system" wrap (which I disagree with).

SESupergenius
02-26-2007, 06:10 PM
I've cut back a lot, but I've never left. :aikido:

Double Barrel
02-26-2007, 06:13 PM
Davis/Williams......only training camp will tell.

I think his career is over.

My guy throw a 8 yard come back and throw it in the ground, I am sure he will be around for a while in this draft. He did the same thing in the senior bowl. God love him because I went to UofH, but come on, NOT a 2nd rd guy.

As opposed to throwing two passes beyond the line of scrimmage in one game? Or how about a 3 yard pass when 4 is needed for a first down? Can we get a run out of bounds for a sack instead of throwing the ball away?

Oh, all examples of a professional QB, btw. :ok: 1st overall draft pick, too!

Heath Shuler
02-26-2007, 06:19 PM
I think his career is over.



As opposed to throwing two passes beyond the line of scrimmage in one game? Or how about a 3 yard pass when 4 is needed for a first down? Can we get a run out of bounds for a sack instead of throwing the ball away?

Oh, all examples of a professional QB, btw. :ok: 1st overall draft pick, too!

He doesn't like it when someone mentions that.

prostock101
02-26-2007, 06:26 PM
What leads you to believe this? Any links or quotes?

Actually, I read in the Chronicle today and Kub was gushing about how much he liked Kolb. I conceed I may be stretching it a bit that he'd go 2nd round. If we trade down for extra picks, I'd wouldn't be surprised to see him taken in that round with a lower 2nd round pick. That's what I meant.......I think......no, I'm sure of it.

And........still a genius! :tease: :tease: :tease:

kiwitexansfan
02-26-2007, 07:58 PM
Do you have a link to the gushing??

All the talk is that Kolb's skill set doesn't fit the offense that Kubiak runs.

Navy_Chris
02-26-2007, 08:03 PM
Here we go now kids. Weigert and Payne. Gone. Stanley......Gone. Carr......another year. Winston....moves to guard. Spencer.....a big if. We'll probably pick up a FA tackle and if we keep the 8th pick, we draft AP if available and Levi Brown if not. Kubiak found a new son in Kolb and will draft in 2nd round if still there. Especially if we trade down for more picks. Davis/Williams......only training camp will tell. Lundy.....gone. Taylor will stick around and Dayne resigned. Gado......bye-bye-o.

And I am still a genius!!!!!!:yahoo:

Did anybody actually see Kubiak at the combine? Only person I saw was Mike Sherman. I heard about NFL Network having coverage of his interview, but I guess I missed it.

DocBar
02-26-2007, 08:06 PM
oh. i thought this thread was going to be about charley casserly. \ YANNI has taken over your brain!!!!! Youre posts used to be much more lucid and well thought out!!!!

:yikes: :headbang: :crazy: :hide:

BSofA04
02-26-2007, 08:19 PM
He will be available in the 3rd. I don't think it's smart to waste our only 2nd Rd. pick on him, since he had a very "average" combine by most observers. I'm all about picking up the guy in the 3rd though. And yes, whomever mentioned Kubiak being high on Kolb is correct. It's easy to see why a lot of teams like the guy, he's a true team player.

thunderkyss
02-26-2007, 08:20 PM
Here we go now kids. Weigert and Payne. Gone. Stanley......Gone. Carr......another year. Winston....moves to guard. Spencer.....a big if. We'll probably pick up a FA tackle and if we keep the 8th pick, we draft AP if available and Levi Brown if not. Kubiak found a new son in Kolb and will draft in 2nd round if still there. Especially if we trade down for more picks. Davis/Williams......only training camp will tell. Lundy.....gone. Taylor will stick around and Dayne resigned. Gado......bye-bye-o.

And I am still a genius!!!!!!:yahoo:

hmm... I'd be surprised if Lundy is gone. He performed well in the preseason, and as well if not better than Gado in the game. He's shown that he can get down the field if our line blocks and open holes for him. He may very well have a break out season next year, considering we should have a better idea of who our starters should be when we start Training Camp.

NOw don't nobody get their panties in a bunch, I'm not saying Lundy is the answer to anything, just saying I don't see him not being on the team this season.

Hulk75
02-26-2007, 10:04 PM
I think his career is over.



As opposed to throwing two passes beyond the line of scrimmage in one game? Or how about a 3 yard pass when 4 is needed for a first down? Can we get a run out of bounds for a sack instead of throwing the ball away?

Oh, all examples of a professional QB, btw. :ok: 1st overall draft pick, too!

2 times in over Thousands of snaps, thats it,O my gosh did he really do that, lets take him out in the back and shoot him, my Lord Not that! 3yard pass when we need 4, when was that? Were else should he have thrown the ball, on YOUR play you talk about.

Tell your boy Kolb to get his throws up if he wants to make it in this league, O I forgot too, how many balls were behind the wide outs in the combine on the deep out, I counted more then a couple.

thunderkyss
02-26-2007, 10:09 PM
........O I forgot too, how many balls were behind the wide outs in the combine on the deep out, I counted more then a couple.


Oh, I know you didn't...... :stirpot:

SamuraiSword
02-27-2007, 02:15 AM
2 times in over Thousands of snaps, thats it,O my gosh did he really do that, lets take him out in the back and shoot him, my Lord Not that! 3yard pass when we need 4, when was that? Were else should he have thrown the ball, on YOUR play you talk about.

Tell your boy Kolb to get his throws up if he wants to make it in this league, O I forgot too, how many balls were behind the wide outs in the combine on the deep out, I counted more then a couple.

Why you so afraid of Kolb? Is it the fact that he is from Houston???? :stirpot:

kiwitexansfan
02-27-2007, 02:22 AM
Where was VY from??

How far did that get him??

Malloy
02-27-2007, 04:36 AM
Oh, all examples of a professional QB, btw. :ok: 1st overall draft pick, too!

Don't mention the war, I mentioned it once, but I think I got away with it!

Double Barrel
02-27-2007, 09:37 AM
2 times in over Thousands of snaps, thats it,O my gosh did he really do that, lets take him out in the back and shoot him, my Lord Not that! 3yard pass when we need 4, when was that? Were else should he have thrown the ball, on YOUR play you talk about.

Maybe it's just me, but I'd expect an $8 million dollar QB to have an idea where the line of scrimmage is at. It's pretty basic. My apologies if my expectations are too high, tho'.

With regards to running out of bounds for a sack and throwing passes to short for first downs, I'm not going *** for tat. I've been to every home game and it is well known tendencies that DC has, and I'm sure another poster would be glad to provide you with individual examples.

I guess even constructive criticism of your bro' is too much for you? I can only imagine what lengths you're willing to go in order to protect even his shortcomings. Just sounds like excuses to me.

Tell your boy Kolb to get his throws up if he wants to make it in this league, O I forgot too, how many balls were behind the wide outs in the combine on the deep out, I counted more then a couple.

Kolb is not my boy. You were talking down his game, which seems to be your M.O. to tear everyone else down in support of your boy. It's always someone else's fault with you, but that's cool, I know how you roll.

BTW, Kolb is just a college kid, yet DC is a FIVE YEAR VETERAN making stupid rookie mistakes. Must be the offensive line's fault. They aren't Pro Bowlers, and that's what he needs to succeed (according to his supporters). :ok:

OzzO
02-27-2007, 12:53 PM
Do you have a link to the gushing??

All the talk is that Kolb's skill set doesn't fit the offense that Kubiak runs.

the 2/27/07 "gush" (http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/fb/texansfront/4581104.html) sorry if posted elsewhere...

....Several scouts and coaches surveyed asked not to be identified. One described Kolb's workout as "mediocre." Another called it "average." Another said "above average."

An AFC head coach who watched Kolb said, "I didn't realize that kid was this good."....

...."I've said it before, and I'll say it again: I (Tennessee's C.O. Brocato) like Kevin Kolb, and I still think he's going in the second round."

No matter what they do with David Carr, the Texans are expected to draft a quarterback, probably in the second or third round.

"Kolb didn't do anything to hurt himself," Texans coach Gary Kubiak said. "He can make every throw. I've been real impressed with the kid."...

..."I was very impressed in our interview with him," Texans general manager Rick Smith said. "He's very intelligent. He did a great job of explaining his scheme as it relates to a traditional pro scheme."

Kubiak has become a Kolb fan. The interview only reinforced Kubiak's evaluation.

"Our interview with Kolb was one of the best I've ever had," Kubiak said. "He's just such an impressive person. I really like him."

On Saturday, Kolb met with the Texans, Lions, Browns, Redskins, Saints, Eagles and Bills

The Pencil Neck
02-27-2007, 01:57 PM
No lower than a 3rd, which is about where he was projected.. And yes, he has made some bad throws, but who hasn't??


I have never made a bad throw in a College or Professional level football game.

Ever.

And I never will.

Carr Bombed
02-27-2007, 01:59 PM
:backsout:

texans83
02-27-2007, 02:06 PM
!. Carr throwing the little dump off throws is all about Kubes system, Kubes said that himself last year and 2. Carr doesnot have control over the reciever running his route 1yrd infront of the first down marker so that would not be his fault its the recievers for not knowing where the first down marker is.

Im not backing Carr for any means just stating the facts

Double Barrel
02-27-2007, 03:01 PM
!. Carr throwing the little dump off throws is all about Kubes system, Kubes said that himself last year and 2. Carr doesnot have control over the reciever running his route 1yrd infront of the first down marker so that would not be his fault its the recievers for not knowing where the first down marker is.

Im not backing Carr for any means just stating the facts

Well, I never mentioned the dump off throws (which is actually a safety valve that has become our no. 1 read...but I digress), and I've never blamed Carr for the offense's design, so not sure if you were responding to me or not.

With regards to a completion short of the first down, I'll admit that WRs can be at fault here, too. But there were many times when other guys were open and DC locked into his first target from the snap (another problem he's be scouted since his college days), and other times he underthrows receivers and they are stopped trying to catch the ball behind them. Hitting them in stride can often give another couple of yards, but it has to be consistent.

But yeah, none of it's his fault, I get it. Never is his fault. :bubble:

I'm not a hater, but I'm not a blind homer, either. I just call it like I see it, and that includes criticism as well as praise.

prostock101
02-27-2007, 03:54 PM
Sounds like gushing to me. He really sounds like he likes the guy. Apparently during the interview, they really bonded.

I realize we've had 16 tons of comments on Carr's play but here's my thoughts on him.

DC has all the physical ability to play the position but his biggest problem is in the pocket. When he gets pressure, he never steps up or moves laterally away from the pressure while keeping his eyes downfield to buy that extra second or so to find an open receiver. More often than not he ducks his head down and by then he's toast. Most of that is just gunshy from all the hammerings he's taken but now it's a matter if he can unlearn those bad habits. Looks like we'll get one more year to find out.

Yep, and still a genius! :yahoo: :yahoo: :yahoo: