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dbspi
02-26-2007, 12:09 AM
Some of the Combine is done. I am very curious to know as to who some of those guys are who have rised from their personnel work out and who are some of the people who have fallen from their predraft evaluations at the NFL Combine.

Here is my short list for so far:

Moving UP: Antonio Pittman, Chris Henry, Kalil, Darius Walker, Deshan Wynn, Alonzo Coleman, Jason Hill, Greg Olsen, Robert Meachem, Naanee, Laurent Robinson, Steve Smith, Brian Leonard, James Marten, Robert Meachem, Chris Henry, Yamon Figurs, Ahmad Bradshaw, Kasey Studdard, Brian Leonard, Drew Stanton as the #3 QB, Greg Olsen, Ben Patrick, Michael Allan, Chris Leak, Johnathon Holland, Cameron Stephenson, Kevin Kolb - I think did decent enough to warrant a move up to contend with Smith for #4 QB.

Moving DOWN: Troy Smith, Levi Brown, Zach Miller, Dwayne Jarrett, Gary Russell, Jon Cornish

Standing Still: Sidney Rice

Navy_Chris
02-26-2007, 12:13 AM
Some of the Combine is done. I am very curious to know as to who some of those guys are who have rised from their personnel work out and who are some of the people who have fallen from their predraft evaluations at the NFL Combine.

Here is my short list for so far:

Moving UP: Chris Henry, Kalil, Darius Walker, Deshan Wynn, Alonzo Coleman, Jason Hill, Greg Olsen, Robert Meachem, Naanee, Laurent Robinson, Steve Smith, Brian Leonard, James Marten, Robert Meachem, Chris Henry, Yamon Figurs, Ahmad Bradshaw, Brian Leonard, Drew Stanton as the #3 QB, Greg Olsen, Ben Patrick, Michael Allan, Chris Leak, Johnathon Holland, Cameron Stephenson, Kevin Kolb, I think did decent enough to warrant a move up to contend with Smith for #4 QB.

Moving DOWN: Troy Smith, Levi Brown, Zach Miller, Dwayne Jarrett, Gary Russell, Jon Cornish

Standing Still: Sidney Rice

You know, the funny thing is...Sidney Rice is the WR here that nobody's making too much noise about, but the one who is going to surprise an NFL team, whichever one takes him. A lot of people talk about WR's who don't have speed not being able to break away from a defender that well.. I laugh at that. speed helps, of course, but it's also about body control. Dwayne Jarrett doesn't have the best wheels, but he has excellent body control...which is why you see him making great catch after great catch.

Ole Miss Texan
02-26-2007, 12:15 AM
I know Levi Brown ran a slow 40 yd dash. But how did he do in the other drills? The other drills should be more important than the 40 for a Lineman.

If Levi stock drops...esp on the texans board. then it looks like its gonna be D-line pick again at 8.

Navy_Chris
02-26-2007, 12:18 AM
I know Levi Brown ran a slow 40 yd dash. But how did he do in the other drills? The other drills should be more important than the 40 for a Lineman.

If Levi stock drops...esp on the texans board. then it looks like its gonna be D-line pick again at 8.]

Call me crazy, but I'm beginning to think the Texans are VERY interested in Ryan Harris out of ND. If he's there, possibly in the 3rd and we take him, the Levi Brown pick wouldn't make much sense.

I was never crazy about taking an OL in the first round anyway. I never am.

dbspi
02-26-2007, 12:20 AM
Meachem is another guy who really impressed me at the combine. He is a freak - 6'3 210 with 4.36 speed AND the ability to make defenders miss and pick up yards after the catch. He needs some refinement, but his natural ability makes his ceiling incredibly high.

dbspi
02-26-2007, 12:25 AM
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Call me crazy, but I'm beginning to think the Texans are VERY interested in Ryan Harris out of ND. If he's there, possibly in the 3rd and we take him, the Levi Brown pick wouldn't make much sense.

I was never crazy about taking an OL in the first round anyway. I never am.

I think #8 is too high for Levi Brown. He would have been better fit at 14 - 18 range. Other thing is I am not sure how well he will perform at LT position. To me he is RT.

Navy_Chris
02-26-2007, 12:30 AM
I think #8 is too high for Levi Brown. He would have been better fit at 14 - 18 range. Other thing is I am not sure how well he will perform at LT position. To me he is RT.

I also don't think the Texans are taking Peterson at #8, even if he falls there. Word on the street is that Ramonce Taylor is 'high' on our list at RB. I wouldn't be surprised if the Texans talk McNair out of his 'high character player' mentality just for this guy.

1- LaRon Landry
2- Robert Meachem or Ryan Harris
3- Ryan Harris or Samson Satele
4- Ramonce Taylor
4- Desmond Bishop
5- David Ball, if Meachem isn't available in RD 2; if we get Meachem, then go with Michael Coe
6- still thinking
7- Oscar Lua

Ole Miss Texan
02-26-2007, 12:31 AM
interesting. you're making a good case for whoever falls to us. We might be seeing Gaines Adams or Alan Branch in a texans uni.

i think Anderson will go before us, and 8 might be too high for okoye?

mexican_texan
02-26-2007, 12:35 AM
Okoye is moving up.

Navy_Chris
02-26-2007, 12:36 AM
interesting. you're making a good case for whoever falls to us. We might be seeing Gaines Adams or Alan Branch in a texans uni.

i think Anderson will go before us, and 8 might be too high for okoye?

Okoye will be an unrestricted Free Agent when he's 24!!! He's going to be a phenom. Outstanding work ethic and a good head on his shoulders. He went from 287 to something like 302 in a couple months without losing a step.

YoungTexanFan
02-26-2007, 12:36 AM
I think #8 is too high for Levi Brown. He would have been better fit at 14 - 18 range. Other thing is I am not sure how well he will perform at LT position. To me he is RT.

That's what everyone said about McNeil last year as he fell to the second round and into the Pro-Bowl. Even YTF missed on McNeil being a legit LT. I have vowed to consider "RT ONLY" guys in all aspects now.

Plus, next year when the best O-linemen in a LONG time enters the draft, he will probally have that same lable of "RT ONLY" because of his imposing stature, but by God help all those poor GM's who will be crying as he dominates on the left side. Gaither will rise soon enough. That is my predicition, and I have been saying it since before last season even started. The man-child will dominate.

Please_Evolve
02-26-2007, 12:38 AM
I know Levi Brown ran a slow 40 yd dash. But how did he do in the other drills? The other drills should be more important than the 40 for a Lineman.

If Levi stock drops...esp on the texans board. then it looks like its gonna be D-line pick again at 8.


Agreed for me a 40 yard dash for a OL doesn't mean jack to me. I'm more interested in shuffle and reps. Still has the pro day at Penn State to fall back on. I still hope we take him at the 8 spot. I hope we don't go Dlineman early unless it's Okoye Or Gaines Adams. If there is a a player i am interested in from ND it's either Darius Walker or that Dlineman ... his name escapes me atm but when i watched their games he was so quick off the snap. Impressed me.

Navy_Chris. Please name a pro bowl LT who wasn't drafted in the first round. our OLINE has such glaring needs. Honestly....if we don't go Oline in one of the first two picks unless we acquire some decent help in FA... i will be pretty upset. All i am going to say is look at the Jet's last year and look at the Redskins last year. Jet's go unconventional and get two linemen in the first round go to the playoffs. Redskins as usual go haywire in FA, draft pretty picks...and miss the playoffs. Which one do you want?

dirty steve
02-26-2007, 12:38 AM
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Call me crazy, but I'm beginning to think the Texans are VERY interested in Ryan Harris out of ND. If he's there, possibly in the 3rd and we take him, the Levi Brown pick wouldn't make much sense.

I was never crazy about taking an OL in the first round anyway. I never am.
think back to this:
1982:
1st round, 8th pick- Mike Munchak, OG (Penn State)
1983:
1st round, 9th pick- Bruce Matthews, OG (Southern Cal)
1984:
1st round, 2nd pick- Dean Steinkuhler, OT (Nebraska)

The talent can be found in later rounds, but ask that freaking sellout Warren Moon if he would have had a chance at the Hall of Fame (and subsequent honoring in the town where toiled for 10 years--Nashville:mad:) if drafting offensive lineman is a good idea in the first round.

Navy_Chris
02-26-2007, 12:41 AM
think back to this:
1982:
1st round, 8th pick- Mike Munchak, OG (Penn State)
1983:
1st round, 9th pick- Bruce Matthews, OG (Southern Cal)
1984:
1st round, 2nd pick- Dean Steinkuhler, OT (Nebraska)

The talent can be found in later rounds, but ask that freaking sellout Warren Moon if he would have had a chance at the Hall of Fame (and subsequent honoring in the town where toiled for 10 years--Nashville:mad:) if drafting offensive lineman is a good idea in the first round.

haha. you're exactly right. OL can be found at all rounds of the draft. mid-round OL tend to have better technique than top OL do, anyway. that's just my observation.

Please_Evolve
02-26-2007, 12:43 AM
haha. you're exactly right. OL can be found at all rounds of the draft. mid-round OL tend to have better technique than top OL do, anyway. that's just my observation.

Are you observing from the nosebleed seats then or possibily outside the stadium? Top Tier OL are top tier for a reason.

tulexan
02-26-2007, 12:45 AM
I also don't think the Texans are taking Peterson at #8, even if he falls there. Word on the street is that Ramonce Taylor is 'high' on our list at RB. I wouldn't be surprised if the Texans talk McNair out of his 'high character player' mentality just for this guy.

1- LaRon Landry
2- Robert Meachem or Ryan Harris
3- Ryan Harris or Samson Satele
4- Ramonce Taylor
4- Desmond Bishop
5- David Ball, if Meachem isn't available in RD 2; if we get Meachem, then go with Michael Coe
6- still thinking
7- Oscar Lua

Trust me, if Peterson is available at 8, we will take about one second to make the pick. If we are going to draft Ramonce Taylor (I don't even know if we will have to use a draft pick to get him), then it will be for special teams purposes, not as our feature back.

Navy_Chris
02-26-2007, 12:46 AM
Are you observing from the nosebleed seats then or possibily outside the stadium? Top Tier OL are top tier for a reason.

Top tier lineman are just that because some old sportswriter or media member 'picks' them out of all the others. Samson Satele showed the best technique of any lineman i've seen at the combine. Just one example.

Navy_Chris
02-26-2007, 12:48 AM
Trust me, if Peterson is available at 8, we will take about one second to make the pick. If we are going to draft Ramonce Taylor (I don't even know if we will have to use a draft pick to get him), then it will be for special teams purposes, not as our feature back.

Am I reaching for Ramonce at 4? I haven't even had a chance to look at where he's projected to go.

tulexan
02-26-2007, 12:51 AM
Am I reaching for Ramonce at 4? I haven't even had a chance to look at where he's projected to go.

A running back who hasn't played in a year, has major character issues, and is not as fast as touted does not go in the fourth unless Shanahan is trying to prove his arrogance again like he did with Clarrett.

Ramonce will be lucky to be drafted let alone in the fourth round.

Please_Evolve
02-26-2007, 12:51 AM
Still haven't named a pro bowl LT that wasn't picked in the first round. I'm sure guys like Thomas, Levi Brown, Kalil & Blaylock are first rounders cause psht some sports guy writer has them there.

You seem to have that Charlie Casserly Vibe..the kind of vibe like... i can outscout you and know stuff you don't...then go out and make horrid draft picks that don't pan out. *cringes*

YoungTexanFan
02-26-2007, 12:51 AM
Navy_Chris. Please name a pro bowl LT who wasn't drafted in the first round.

O!! Pick me, pick me!! YTF knows!! Marcus McNeil just last year.

Please_Evolve
02-26-2007, 12:54 AM
O!! Pick me, pick me!! YTF knows!! Marcus McNeil just last year.


:P Kind of snuck in the pro bowl...but a nice second round pick that i didn't think would fall there.

YoungTexanFan
02-26-2007, 12:54 AM
Still haven't named a pro bowl LT that wasn't picked in the first round. I'm sure guys like Thomas, Levi Brown, Kalil & Blaylock are first rounders cause psht some sports guy writer has them there.

You seem to have that Charlie Casserly Vibe..the kind of vibe like... i can outscout you and know stuff you don't...then go out and make horrid draft picks that don't pan out. *cringes*

Umm...Joe Thomas and Ryan Kalil dominated all year long against top talent. Kalil who is a ZBS prospect really, he umm...DOMINATED Allen Branch who is like 6'6 330. That is how you go first round. Levi worked his way back all year, and played well. He earned his spot. Blaylock isn't a 1st rounder.

dirty steve
02-26-2007, 12:54 AM
Top tier lineman are just that because some old sportswriter or media member 'picks' them out of all the others. Samson Satele showed the best technique of any lineman i've seen at the combine. Just one example.
Joe Thomas is going to be the first lineman taken because he is the best lineman available, not because "some old dude" annointed him that. It also helps that Thomas played at a high profile program stateside while Satele played in the WAC in Hawaii.

How can you show technique at the combine by running the 40 or some cone drills? Do they lineup some dummies and ask you to pass block or pull on a running play?

YoungTexanFan
02-26-2007, 12:55 AM
:P Kind of snuck in the pro bowl...but a nice second round pick that i didn't think would fall there.

Still answers your question.

Navy_Chris
02-26-2007, 12:55 AM
A running back who hasn't played in a year, has major character issues, and is not as fast as touted does not go in the fourth unless Shanahan is trying to prove his arrogance again like he did with Clarrett.

Ramonce will be lucky to be drafted let alone in the fourth round.

ok..just checking. i still think he's coming to houston, whether he's drafted or not.

Please_Evolve
02-26-2007, 12:57 AM
Umm...Joe Thomas and Ryan Kalil dominated all year long against top talent. Kalil who is a ZBS prospect really, he umm...DOMINATED Allen Branch who is like 6'6 330. That is how you go first round. Levi worked his way back all year, and played well. He earned his spot. Blaylock isn't a 1st rounder.

sorry YTF was talking to Navy Chris should been more clear on that. I think Blaylock could go late first round or early second.

dirty steve
02-26-2007, 12:57 AM
ok..just checking. i still think he's coming to houston, whether he's drafted or not.
you know that just because a team interviews a player that doesnt necessarily mean they are drafting him, right? each team gets 60 interviews, so you cant draft them all.

YoungTexanFan
02-26-2007, 12:58 AM
sorry YTF was talking to Navy Chris should been more clear on that. I think Blaylock could go late first round or early second.

Blaylock MAY slide into the LATE 1st, but probally won't unless something I can't predict happens. He isn't a LT guy anyways. I won't discard his chance at it, but I see him as a RT or OG in the league.

Please_Evolve
02-26-2007, 01:02 AM
Blaylock MAY slide into the LATE 1st, but probally won't unless something I can't predict happens. He isn't a LT guy anyways. I won't discard his chance at it, but I see him as a RT or OG in the league.

I am leaning more OG myself with a shot at RT. But was more aimed at Navy_Chris Absurd comments about how top tier OL are there because some sports guy annoits them.

beerlover
02-26-2007, 01:08 AM
the real rise & fall will be the individual workouts by NFL teams, keep posted to see who the Texans actually invite to Relient.

the players who competed or choose not to compete will have another chance to prove themselves come their respective pro-days.

after watching its obvious who the elite talents are, guys like Peterson, Calvin Johnson & Joe Thomas the secret is finding other less obvious talent who can make a NFL roster based on a combination of all their measureables, interviews & actual game film. you've got to think the professional scouts out there know these guys backwards, forwards & in between so that the rise & fall is a long process based on years of evidence & background information.

dbspi
02-26-2007, 01:10 AM
I wouldn't be surprised if the Texans talk McNair out of his 'high character player' mentality just for this guy.

If character is not an issue then I really like to see us draft Brandon Meriweather from Miami in second round.

Navy_Chris
02-26-2007, 01:12 AM
I am leaning more OG myself with a shot at RT. But was more aimed at Navy_Chris Absurd comments about how top tier OL are there because some sports guy annoits them.

Take Drew Stanton, nobody was talking about him until the media started shining a light on him. NOW, everyone's ranting and raving about Stanton surprising a lot of people at the next level. The media overhypes so many players who don't deserve it, it's not even funny. Am I calling Thomas and Brown overhyped? No. They ARE 2 of the best at their position. I'm just saying that OL is a position where i'd prefer to get the most for my money. Why pay 45 million for a guy when i could get the same thing in the 3rd or 4th for a fraction of that?!!!!!!

Please_Evolve
02-26-2007, 01:13 AM
If character is not an issue then I really like to see us draft Brandon Meriweather from Miami in second round.

I second that.

Navy_Chris
02-26-2007, 01:15 AM
I second that.

But, LaRon in the first makes so much more sense. He's a bigger playmaker. If we pass on Landry and take Okoye, Peterson...or whoever, then yes, Merriweather would make sense. I just don't want him getting arrested halfway through training camp.

tulexan
02-26-2007, 01:19 AM
Personally, I would rather have Merriweather. I think he is going to be another big time DB from a long line of big time DB's from the U.

Please_Evolve
02-26-2007, 01:22 AM
Take Drew Stanton, nobody was talking about him until the media started shining a light on him. NOW, everyone's ranting and raving about Stanton surprising a lot of people at the next level. The media overhypes so many players who don't deserve it, it's not even funny. Am I calling Thomas and Brown overhyped? No. They ARE 2 of the best at their position. I'm just saying that OL is a position where i'd prefer to get the most for my money. Why pay 45 million for a guy when i could get the same thing in the 3rd or 4th for a fraction of that?!!!!!!

Stanton was pretty higly rated before a lackluster year in total in Michigan State. Reminds me a bit of Kyle Orton Guy was poised to make a big move for the NFL his senoir year and one game knocked him down pretty bad.

Keep hoping for the pretty picks if you wantto keep losing until this Oline problem is addressed fully best you can hope for is a .500 year. Typical top tier OL are worth the pay. Jonathon Ogden, Orlando Pace, Walter Jones, Throw in a A Steve Hutchinson here, Larry Allen sure helped San Fran's Rushing Attack, I bet a few years down the road the Jet's won't be kicking themselves on the Ferguson and Mangold Draft. One ay it wil lset in.

Navy_Chris
02-26-2007, 01:23 AM
Personally, I would rather have Merriweather. I think he is going to be another big time DB from a long line of big time DB's from the U.

You may be right. Just like anyone, Landry could turn out to be a big time bust, but i don't see that happening. I'm excited about seeing all the DBs Tuesday. I wonder if anyone will run faster than the 4.33 we saw today.

dbspi
02-26-2007, 01:25 AM
I like Ryan Kalil very much and wish Texans will consider him in second round if he is available. He has great leadership quality, Good quickness, Moves well and has great range, and extremely smart ball player.

First Round - AP
Second Round - Ryan Kalil
Third Round - Ryan Harris

As far as Ramonce Taylor is concerned, I don't mind picking him up in 7th round. I really doubt his mental makeup. He had the talent to be something very special at Texas and he threw it all away for pot. It tells me pot was more important to him then football.

Navy_Chris
02-26-2007, 01:31 AM
Stanton was pretty higly rated before a lackluster year in total in Michigan State. Reminds me a bit of Kyle Orton Guy was poised to make a big move for the NFL his senoir year and one game knocked him down pretty bad.

Keep hoping for the pretty picks if you wantto keep losing until this Oline problem is addressed fully best you can hope for is a .500 year. Typical top tier OL are worth the pay. Jonathon Ogden, Orlando Pace, Walter Jones, Throw in a A Steve Hutchinson here, Larry Allen sure helped San Fran's Rushing Attack, I bet a few years down the road the Jet's won't be kicking themselves on the Ferguson and Mangold Draft. One ay it wil lset in.

Very well put. I'm just saying that you have to be wary not to draft a guy SIMPLY because of the high rating put on him by ESPN or Scouts, Inc. It could prove disaster in the long run, then again, it could work out.

Navy_Chris
02-26-2007, 01:32 AM
I like Ryan Kalil very much and wish Texans will consider him in second round if he is available. He has great leadership quality, Good quickness, Moves well and has great range, and extremely smart ball player.

First Round - AP
Second Round - Ryan Kalil
Third Round - Ryan Harris

As far as Ramonce Taylor is concerned, I don't mind picking him up in 7th round. I really doubt his mental makeup. He had the talent to be something very special at Texas and he threw it all away for pot. It tells me pot was more important to him then football.

Pot is more important than football to every University of Miami football player, but they're still pretty good.

dbspi
02-26-2007, 01:37 AM
Pot is more important than football to every University of Miami football player, but they're still pretty good.

Not true, AJ is a prime example of that.

Navy_Chris
02-26-2007, 01:39 AM
Not true, AJ is a prime example of that.

AJ is the exception, of course.

The Pencil Neck
02-26-2007, 02:07 AM
I like Ryan Kalil very much and wish Texans will consider him in second round if he is available. He has great leadership quality, Good quickness, Moves well and has great range, and extremely smart ball player.

First Round - AP
Second Round - Ryan Kalil
Third Round - Ryan Harris


I would love for this to happen, but I don't think AP falls to us at 8 and I don't think Kalil makes it to us in the 2nd round.

Navy_Chris
02-26-2007, 02:16 AM
I would love for this to happen, but I don't think AP falls to us at 8 and I don't think Kalil makes it to us in the 2nd round.

I'm almost certain that Smith goes with Landry or Okoye at #8. Remember, he's shooting for BPA...not necessarily trying to fill a hole at this pick.

Ole Miss Texan
02-26-2007, 02:24 AM
I'm almost certain that Smith goes with Landry or Okoye at #8. Remember, he's shooting for BPA...not necessarily trying to fill a hole at this pick.

The thing about it though is that the BPA will most likely be a need! that's the beauty of it. Even if #8 may be a 'reach' for either landry or okoye, it'd probably only be a few picks reach so, me personally don't have a problem with it. I like both of those guys.

Landry would be a leader in the secondary and a huge improvement for our pass coverage which is vital in the afc south.

Okoye would be a young young guy that has so much upside. playing next to mario would be such and awesome thing to see. he would penetrate the middle forcing the QB to go one way or the other....not step up in the pocket and pick off our secondary. okoye would hopefully bring more sacks for mario as the qb's have to step out. I voted for Houston to have okoye in the mock draft we did...it's kind of died down now that we're on baltimore.

Navy_Chris
02-26-2007, 02:44 AM
The thing about it though is that the BPA will most likely be a need! that's the beauty of it. Even if #8 may be a 'reach' for either landry or okoye, it'd probably only be a few picks reach so, me personally don't have a problem with it. I like both of those guys.

Landry would be a leader in the secondary and a huge improvement for our pass coverage which is vital in the afc south.

Okoye would be a young young guy that has so much upside. playing next to mario would be such and awesome thing to see. he would penetrate the middle forcing the QB to go one way or the other....not step up in the pocket and pick off our secondary. okoye would hopefully bring more sacks for mario as the qb's have to step out. I voted for Houston to have okoye in the mock draft we did...it's kind of died down now that we're on baltimore.

that's also true...okoye fills a need. landry fills a need. (anything's a step up from C.C.) man, he sucks. oh, sorry. anyway, if we draft landry, then the focus HAS to go to the D-Line at some point, whether it be draft or FA. I think it has to be FA. there's so much talent in this draft at other positions, and i don't think guys like mebane and mcbean are gonna amount to much.

kastofsna
02-26-2007, 08:41 AM
Okoye will be an unrestricted Free Agent when he's 24!!!
i'd say 25 or 26.

real
02-26-2007, 11:07 AM
That's what everyone said about McNeil last year as he fell to the second round and into the Pro-Bowl. Even YTF missed on McNeil being a legit LT. I have vowed to consider "RT ONLY" guys in all aspects now.

Why is it that some rookies are crowned after having a successful first year but others aren't ?

personal agenda ?

mexican_texan
02-26-2007, 12:04 PM
Umm...Joe Thomas and Ryan Kalil dominated all year long against top talent. Kalil who is a ZBS prospect really, he umm...DOMINATED Allen Branch who is like 6'6 330. That is how you go first round. Levi worked his way back all year, and played well. He earned his spot. Blaylock isn't a 1st rounder.
He is meant for a ZBS, so I don't think he'll go in the first round. Few centers go in the first anyway, and only a few teams in the league would take Kalil. My hopes of catching him in the third are frading away, though.

kastofsna
02-26-2007, 12:14 PM
Why is it that some rookies are crowned after having a successful first year but others aren't ?

personal agenda ?
especially since the MAIN reason mcneill fell to the 2nd round was because of a spinal cord issue. teams aren't sure how long he'll last in the NFL. everyone thought he'd be good, no question about it.

Dr. Toro
02-26-2007, 12:16 PM
Crowder really helped himself today with a 4.69 at 6'4" 272 with 32 reps. That's beastly. Crowder's helped by the way Texas DL like Rogers, Hampton, and Redding have outperformed expectations, too. 19 TFL, 10.5 sacks in 2006. Impressed at Senior Bowl. Perfect fit opposite Mario, real speed rusher who can go inside too. Windfall if available in round 2.

Dr. Toro
02-26-2007, 12:19 PM
Brian Robison's 4.66, 27 reps, 40.5 vertical, also helps him. Size and durability at end are an issue, but he'll help somebody tremendously.

YoungTexanFan
02-26-2007, 02:37 PM
Why is it that some rookies are crowned after having a successful first year but others aren't ?

personal agenda ?

He got crowned because he didn't give up a sack at AUB, and he earned a spot in the Pro-Bolw last season as a rookie. I'm not saying he's a HoF guy or anything, but he deserves whatever crown he's wearing with his play up to this point.

real
02-26-2007, 02:38 PM
He got crowned because he didn't give up a sack at AUB, and he earned a spot in the Pro-Bolw last season as a rookie. I'm not saying he's a HoF guy or anything, but he deserves whatever crown he's wearing with his play up to this point.

That still doesn't answer my question.

Again....


Why do some rookies get crowned after a good rookie year, but others don't ?

Personal agenda?

kastofsna
02-26-2007, 02:44 PM
because that's just the way it is.

real
02-26-2007, 03:18 PM
because that's just the way it is.

Personal agenda....

Gotcha....:ok:

kastofsna
02-26-2007, 03:33 PM
not sure what you mean exactly. are you saying like ESPN crowns players after one year or certain members of this forum.

HuttoKarl
02-26-2007, 03:35 PM
I would love for this to happen, but I don't think AP falls to us at 8 and I don't think Kalil makes it to us in the 2nd round.

Put Lynch in for Peterson then. I'd be fine with that too.

real
02-26-2007, 03:41 PM
not sure what you mean exactly. are you saying like ESPN crowns players after one year or certain members of this forum.

People in general.

I won't name any particular players.

But why is it that some players are crowned after early success, but others are viewed wearily? You even hear phrases like, "they'll figure him out"

I guess what I'm asking is, when is a year enough eveidence to label a player ? When can one year's worth of play be used as evidence that said player will be great ?

Is it a positional thing ? Is it a "how well did they perform thing" ? Or.....Is it just personal agenda ?

kastofsna
02-26-2007, 03:47 PM
in the case of vince young, his early success mirrors michael vick's early success. pretty much the same player at this point. considering his inability to pick up an offense at texas, as well as his low intelligence, it's safe to assume for me that he's not getting better.

dbspi
02-26-2007, 03:48 PM
Complete listing of every player combine results who have participated so far. To check combine results just select the group and it has complete listing.

http://fflivewire.com/players/PlayersCombine.asp?OrderBy=+ORDER+BY+LastNAme%2C+F irstName%2C+PosNameShort%2C+Team&PlayerName=&pTeamID=99999999&PosNum=1&GO=GO%21

real
02-26-2007, 03:48 PM
in the case of vince young, his early success mirrors michael vick's early success. pretty much the same player at this point. considering his inability to pick up an offense at texas, as well as his low intelligence, it's safe to assume for me that he's not getting better.

Ha Ha....

Classic.

Errant Hothy
02-26-2007, 04:14 PM
I didn't think it was possible but did Calvin Johnson's stock rise over the weekend?

kastofsna
02-26-2007, 04:15 PM
well he went from the best player in this draft to the best prospect ever at his position.

Errant Hothy
02-26-2007, 04:16 PM
well he went from the best player in this draft to the best prospect ever at his position.

True, but the real question is did h ebecome a better prospect then Reggie Bush, who was teh greatest prospect of all time?

mexican_texan
02-26-2007, 04:18 PM
I didn't think it was possible but did Calvin Johnson's stock rise over the weekend?
Yup.

Exithios
02-26-2007, 04:19 PM
I didn't think it was possible but did Calvin Johnson's stock rise over the weekend?

He simply proved all of the hype and made the nay sayers eat humble pie.

He ran a 4.35 40 at 239 lbs. All I have to say is "wow".

kastofsna
02-26-2007, 04:19 PM
YTF's boy brandon mebane didn't do so well today.

quinn pitcock got hurt.

kastofsna
02-26-2007, 04:20 PM
True, but the real question is did h ebecome a better prospect then Reggie Bush, who was teh greatest prospect of all time?
lol, reggie bush the greatest ever? hope that's a somewhat sardonic comment.

Errant Hothy
02-26-2007, 04:24 PM
lol, reggie bush the greatest ever? hope that's a somewhat sardonic comment.

Indeed it was.

BTW anybody got a measurment on CJ's vertical? I know he out jumps the measuring stick, which goesa to 45".

kastofsna
02-26-2007, 04:25 PM
12 feet.

cuppacoffee
02-26-2007, 04:31 PM
If R. Taylor or L Booker are there for the taking in the fourth I hope our GM sprints to the forum. Either one would be fine with me there.

I agree that the Texans might want to take another look at their "boy scouts only" stance.

Taylor got caught with weed. (a little more than the average bear though).

I think he found the garden on the back forty at Texas University. :stirpot:

And they say A&M is the ag school. :shrug:

But it isn't like he is being questioned in a hit and run death, a triple shooting or beating up his girl friend.

:coffee:

BSofA04
02-26-2007, 04:40 PM
If R. Taylor or L Booker are there for the taking in the fourth I hope our GM sprints to the forum. Either one would be fine with me there.

I agree that the Texans might want to take another look at their "boy scouts only" stance.

Taylor got caught with weed. (a little more than the average bear though).

I think he found the garden on the back forty at Texas University. :stirpot:

And they say A&M is the ag school. :shrug:

But it isn't like he is being questioned in a hit and run death, a triple shooting or beating up his girl friend.

:coffee:

Exactly, it could be worse. We all remember how college used to be. Who didn't do something stupid? Bro just got caught and it hurt his status. Fact is he can play, and on sundays that's all that matters.

Errant Hothy
02-26-2007, 04:43 PM
Exactly, it could be worse. We all remember how college used to be. Who didn't do something stupid? Bro just got caught and it hurt his status. Fact is he can play, and on sundays that's all that matters.

Bit of a difference between a dime bag and a 5 lb brick of weed. Combined the Texans concern of character issues it's pretty safe to say that Taylor will not be a Texan.

Please_Evolve
02-26-2007, 04:46 PM
If R. Taylor or L Booker are there for the taking in the fourth I hope our GM sprints to the forum. Either one would be fine with me there.

I agree that the Texans might want to take another look at their "boy scouts only" stance.

Taylor got caught with weed. (a little more than the average bear though).

I think he found the garden on the back forty at Texas University. :stirpot:

And they say A&M is the ag school. :shrug:

But it isn't like he is being questioned in a hit and run death, a triple shooting or beating up his girl friend.

:coffee:

agreed. Beat your wife, use roids, maybe some petty theft, a few DUI's, get involved in a murder case, maybe a suspension and a few frowns.

But jeeze smoke some pot in the NFL and you are done.

real
02-26-2007, 04:47 PM
Bit of a difference between a dime bag and a 5 lb brick of weed. Combined the Texans concern of character issues it's pretty safe to say that Taylor will not be a Texan.

I don't think it's as clear cut as that, otherwise I don't think they'd have even wasted brain cells interviewing him.

Why interview a player you know you aren't going to take when you could have used that interview on someone who could possibly make your team ?

Errant Hothy
02-26-2007, 04:49 PM
I don't think it's as clear cut as that, otherwise I don't think they'd have even wasted brain cells interviewing him.

Yeah I oversimplified it but Pot+slow 40 time = Taylor NOT being a Texan.

He really needed to shine at the combine to improve his stock.

rmartin65
02-26-2007, 04:56 PM
The combine is not the last chance for some of these guys. Some will have pro days. I think the Texans might take Taylor. They interview him, and that says alot. And about character, maybe Kubiak and Co. put less emphasis on it than the last group. Just a few thoughts.

dbspi
02-26-2007, 06:07 PM
Patrick Willis ran an 4.49 forty at the NFL Combine Monday, according to the NFL Network.

Patrick Willis - 4.49
Timmons - 4.59
Jon Beason - 4.64
Paul Posluszny - 4.68
Antwan Barnes - 4.40 with 31 reps
Quincy Black - 4.42
Zak Deossie - 4.53
David Harris - 4.53


Posluzny stock has taken a nose dive at the combine and there is good chance he will be available to us in 2nd. He was out performed by his own team mate.

Willis has solidify being selected in early teens. His stock has gone up considerably.

Alan Branch has also taken a nose dive and now they think he has slipped all the way down to lower 1/3 of the first round.

Adam Carriker - 6'6" 292lbs., did 33 reps on bench, had a 33 1/2" vertical, 4.9 forty, and a 4.14 shuttle (average LB time was 4.25). His stock has gone way up and some are saying that SF might draft him as their 34 LB.

kastofsna
02-26-2007, 06:08 PM
a nose dive?? lol.

dbspi
02-26-2007, 06:22 PM
a nose dive?? lol.

Posluszny was expected to go in the first round but his performance at the combine has left many wondering for now. Think what you may but he has lost some ground.

kastofsna
02-26-2007, 06:31 PM
actually no, he did pretty much exactly what everyone thought he would do. maybe even better.

run-david-run
02-26-2007, 08:33 PM
That still doesn't answer my question.

Again....


Why do some rookies get crowned after a good rookie year, but others don't ?

Personal agenda?

He did almost everything possible for a rookie his first year. Was on the best team in the NFL, helped set the TD record for his running back, got his QB into the ProBowl, made it in the Pro Bowl himself. He was one of few high pick rookies who experianced individual and team success, sounds like a good recipe for getting "crowned".

dbspi
02-28-2007, 04:46 PM
Nice article from Yahoo on Combine winners and losers -

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=jm-combinewrapup022807&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

threetoedpete
03-01-2007, 01:49 AM
I also don't think the Texans are taking Peterson at #8, even if he falls there. Word on the street is that Ramonce Taylor is 'high' on our list at RB. I wouldn't be surprised if the Texans talk McNair out of his 'high character player' mentality just for this guy.

1- LaRon Landry
2- Robert Meachem or Ryan Harris
3- Ryan Harris or Samson Satele
4- Ramonce Taylor
4- Desmond Bishop
5- David Ball, if Meachem isn't available in RD 2; if we get Meachem, then go with Michael Coe
6- still thinking
7- Oscar Lua

Interesting Chriss with all of your talk of mediocre tallent, you sellect the one who showed the worst at the Senrior bowl and helped him self the least at the combine. So your starting Line up now consists of Salaam, Pitts, Flannery/Hodgen, Weary and Erick Winston. Just who on this line does Harris replace ?