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Texans34Life
02-19-2007, 11:25 PM
Texans | Team would like third-round pick for Carr?
Sun, 18 Feb 2007 07:59:11 -0800

Tony Grossi, of the Cleveland Plain Dealer, reports the Houston Texans are hoping to attract a third-round draft pick in return for QB David Carr.

TexanSam
02-19-2007, 11:29 PM
I think it's probably more wishful thinking. If I were a GM of a team I wouldn't give up anything more than a 4th rounder. If we can get a 3rd rounder for Carr, that would be a steal.

YoungTexanFan
02-19-2007, 11:35 PM
I think it's probably more wishful thinking. If I were a GM of a team I wouldn't give up anything more than a 4th rounder. If we can get a 3rd rounder for Carr, that would be a steal.

Why? We got a 3rd rounder for freaking Drew Henson. Why can't we get at least that for David Carr?

Kaiser Toro
02-19-2007, 11:48 PM
Why? We got a 3rd rounder for freaking Drew Henson. Why can't we get at least that for David Carr?

Unkonwn commodity versus one that has a five year historical trend.

htownfoozball
02-19-2007, 11:51 PM
only takes 1 team with hope that they can coach him up behind a good OLine.

LORK 88
02-19-2007, 11:58 PM
I think we can easily get a 3rd, possibly late 2nd for him this offseason for multiple reasons. 1) We don't have to get rid of Carr if we don't want to so we hold the upper hand. 2) Name a FA QB currently on the market that has more to offer than Carr. 3) Quite afew teams need help at QB and giving up a 3rd for someone who still has great potential and has been in the league is a better option than taking a rookie.

Grid
02-20-2007, 12:04 AM
if all the hundreds of quotes from "league sources" saying that "Carr is a great young QB who hasnt been in the right situation" are correct, then a 3rd rounder should be easy.

Unless that was just a bunch of people blowing smoke up our %!&.

tulexan
02-20-2007, 12:28 AM
I think this is a case of asking for more than they want. It is a classic sales tactic. If they expect or are hoping to get a 4th, you ask for a 3rd. If you get it, then great, you got a good deal, if you don't, you "concede" and ask for a 4th.

Ole Miss Texan
02-20-2007, 01:21 AM
if all the hundreds of quotes from "league sources" saying that "Carr is a great young QB who hasnt been in the right situation" are correct, then a 3rd rounder should be easy.

Unless that was just a bunch of people blowing smoke up our %!&.

I think this is a case of asking for more than they want. It is a classic sales tactic. If they expect or are hoping to get a 4th, you ask for a 3rd. If you get it, then great, you got a good deal, if you don't, you "concede" and ask for a 4th.

Both very good points.

run-david-run
02-20-2007, 01:51 AM
Why is the Cleveland Plain Dealer reporting this and where is the Chronicle?

tex
02-20-2007, 04:48 AM
Where is the chronicle? Who cares.

NATHANHALE
02-20-2007, 05:30 AM
I think we can easily get a 3rd, possibly late 2nd for him this offseason for multiple reasons. 1) We don't have to get rid of Carr if we don't want to so we hold the upper hand. 2) Name a FA QB currently on the market that has more to offer than Carr. 3) Quite afew teams need help at QB and giving up a 3rd for someone who still has great potential and has been in the league is a better option than taking a rookie.

2) exactly what does Carr have to offer and I don't think the other teams are looking for excuses or 'forcast' of what he could do if everything were perfect around him...what has he done in his 5 yrs in the NFL?

whiskeyrbl
02-20-2007, 07:21 AM
2) exactly what does Carr have to offer and I don't think the other teams are looking for excuses or 'forcast' of what he could do if everything were perfect around him...what has he done in his 5 yrs in the NFL?

Besides taking a beating and continually get up and get behind center and run another play? If nothing else he has proven he is durable.

Tulip
02-20-2007, 07:57 AM
Why? We got a 3rd rounder for freaking Drew Henson. Why can't we get at least that for David Carr?

Because Joey Harrington only attracted a conditional 5th round pick with a restructured contract.

A 3rd rounder is about the best the Texans can expect, and it's the best I've been expecting. I think it's most likely going to be a 5th rounder.

texan_fan_8
02-20-2007, 08:03 AM
if all the hundreds of quotes from "league sources" saying that "Carr is a great young QB who hasnt been in the right situation" are correct, then a 3rd rounder should be easy.

Unless that was just a bunch of people blowing smoke up our %!&.

If we know Dan Reeves said he's 'unfixable' and dump him don't we think the rest of the NFL knows this as well.

I wouldn't touch him with a 10 foot pole. LAST year was the year to dump him. We'll be lucky to cut our losses and get out.

Vinny
02-20-2007, 08:22 AM
I think this is a case of asking for more than they want. It is a classic sales tactic. If they expect or are hoping to get a 4th, you ask for a 3rd. If you get it, then great, you got a good deal, if you don't, you "concede" and ask for a 4th.

in negotiations you need posture and leverage because even if you win you are going to concede something most of the time anyway. At the end of the day you give them what you didn't expect anyway but ask for the maximum someone may be willing to pay. Why impose an artificial ceiling on what another team may offer you? Al Davis knows that game, just ask Charley. A classic example is the guy who doesn't want the kids in a divorce. He thinks the ex is honestly the better environment for his kids but asks for them anyway. He knows the soon to be ex will fight it, but he knows this and tries to make this the only tough concession. It's just a game of leverage and posture...and allowing for random stupidity always spices up the event like the little umbrella on your cocktail when vacationing on some white sanded beach. Some people get lost in the details and as Keith says - there are plenty of Norman Einsteins in the NFL...so yeah, ask for a 2.

One other thing. All 2nd round picks are not the same. If you throw out the round and go to the actual pick slot, the Colts second rounder is just about the same worth as the Lions 3rd rounder. The draft slot has a lot to do with what pick is traded in a given deal. A 4th rounder from the Bears is pretty much a 5th round pick since just about the entire league already made their 4th rounder.

cuppacoffee
02-20-2007, 08:32 AM
If we know Dan Reeves said he's 'unfixable' and dump him don't we think the rest of the NFL knows this as well.

I wouldn't touch him with a 10 foot pole. LAST year was the year to dump him. We'll be lucky to cut our losses and get out.

I can't recall reading or hearing Reeves said this. Do we know he said this?

Do you have a link?


:coffee:

petedy
02-20-2007, 09:17 AM
When did Reeves say that about Carr? If true it comes from a guy who got fired as a coach from several teams.

Lucky
02-20-2007, 09:31 AM
Why? We got a 3rd rounder for freaking Drew Henson.
Charley Casserly's greatest moment. Which is sad.

I have no idea what the Texans can/can't get for Carr. But, I would like the Texans to pickup an extra 3rd round pick in this draft. There should be some solid prospects at CB, FS, and WR up and down the 3rd.

TEXANS84
02-20-2007, 09:36 AM
Here is 8 pages of Vikings fans wanting Carr and willing to give a 3rd round pick for him:

http://www.purplepride.org/index.php?option=com_smf&Itemid=150&topic=31532.0

Lucky
02-20-2007, 09:52 AM
Here is 8 pages of Vikings fans wanting Carr and willing to give a 3rd round pick for him
All we need now is for the Vikes to hire one of them as GM. :)

thunderkyss
02-20-2007, 11:46 AM
Here is 8 pages of Vikings fans wanting Carr and willing to give a 3rd round pick for him:

http://www.purplepride.org/index.php?option=com_smf&Itemid=150&topic=31532.0

I wonder if we could work out a deal with David Carr & Fred Smoot.

kcwilson
02-20-2007, 11:55 AM
Funny. Rick Smith is posturing for a third with a conditional 2nd round pick.

http://www.nola.com/saints/t-p/index.ssf?/base/sports-3/1171867247155460.xml&coll=1&thispage=2

Texian
02-20-2007, 11:58 AM
This is certainly credible as far as rumors go. I mean there is a plausibility that this could happen. If this did come to pass I would prefer to swap 1st RD picks and a 3rd RD vs just a 3rd RD.

A 7th vs an 8th could be the difference in a player you want and it is also better trade bait.

El Tejano
02-20-2007, 02:11 PM
If I'm The Texans, I'm not even trying to holler at The Browns. They are a team that is supposed to take the player you (I) want in Adrian Peterson. Helping them fulfill a position that will be available (QB) at the #3 spot makes their decision in drafting Peterson.

I say stay away from the Browns, unless we get something else for it.

nunusguy
02-20-2007, 02:32 PM
Here is 8 pages of Vikings fans wanting Carr and willing to give a 3rd round pick for him:
http://www.purplepride.org/index.php?option=com_smf&Itemid=150&topic=31532.0
There are definitely some Viking fans that want Carr, and want him in a big way. One poster on the Viking Board has him as the second coming of
Drew Brees ! Others are a bit more apprehensive and know that DC doesn't come cheap.
But good stuff 84 - Thanks.

OrangeCountyTexansFan
02-20-2007, 03:45 PM
Tony Grossi, of the Cleveland Plain Dealer, reports the Houston Texans are hoping to attract a third-round draft pick in return for QB David Carr.
I bet AP would still already be gone.

Marcus
02-20-2007, 05:09 PM
I bet AP would still already be gone.

:um: huh?

Texans_Chick
02-20-2007, 05:20 PM
If we know Dan Reeves said he's 'unfixable' and dump him don't we think the rest of the NFL knows this as well.

I wouldn't touch him with a 10 foot pole. LAST year was the year to dump him. We'll be lucky to cut our losses and get out.

I believe I've read every tea leaf sort of thing that Dan Reeves has said in writing about David Carr. Do you have a source for your Dan Reeves' "unfixable" comment? When and where was this said?

The only thing I've read is him blessing Carr as quarterback of the Texans, saying he is a good QB, but also saying that he was impressed with Vince Young.

cuppacoffee
02-20-2007, 06:27 PM
I believe I've read every tea leaf sort of thing that Dan Reeves has said in writing about David Carr. Do you have a source for your Dan Reeves' "unfixable" comment? When and where was this said?

The only thing I've read is him blessing Carr as quarterback of the Texans, saying he is a good QB, but also saying that he was impressed with Vince Young.



I think the :joker: that pulled this out of his *** has disappeared.


:coffee:

cook56
02-20-2007, 06:39 PM
I think you get a 3rd. But you don't settle for anything less than a 4th! But I think we will get a 3rd.

!! ITEAF !!
02-20-2007, 06:47 PM
DC is in the last year of his contract so why on earth would the front office take the hit for him in the offseason when they could simply bench him (if he doesn't produce - although with a better line and run game and I still believe he can). Bring in a QB in tha first round of the draft (looks like Quinn will fall to us now) pick up Plummer AFTER HE IS RELEASED and let them fight it out for the starting job. If no production is evident at the end of next seaason......"Uhhhh, Dave, it was real and it was fun but not real fun...we're gonna holla at ya."

I personally have met and like DC, I even believe that he is a good QB playing behind a subpar line, but there is only so much the FO and fans are gonna take. I would love to see him have a breakout year in '07......we shall see.

thunderkyss
02-20-2007, 07:53 PM
DC is in the last year of his contract so why on earth would the front office take the hit for him in the offseason when they could simply bench him (if he doesn't produce - although with a better line and run game and I still believe he can). Bring in a QB in tha first round of the draft (looks like Quinn will fall to us now) pick up Plummer AFTER HE IS RELEASED and let them fight it out for the starting job. If no production is evident at the end of next seaason......"Uhhhh, Dave, it was real and it was fun but not real fun...we're gonna holla at ya."

I personally have met and like DC, I even believe that he is a good QB playing behind a subpar line, but there is only so much the FO and fans are gonna take. I would love to see him have a breakout year in '07......we shall see.

Welcome to the board Playa...

But DC just finished playing the first year of the three year extension he just signed. Contractually, he is a Texan for the next 2 years, earning $5.5 mil in '08, and $6 mil in '08.... or something to that affect.

If someone wants him(what's that P.T. Barnum used to say??) they'll have to deal.