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whiskeyrbl
02-16-2007, 08:02 AM
Coming on in a few minutes, they are ganna talk about Carrs future with the Texans or someone else.

whiskeyrbl
02-16-2007, 08:10 AM
Mostly talked about Carrs inconsistinency based on 250 sacks and having 4 different OC in 5 years. Said he would probably excell on a new team with better players around him but think Houston should keep him and let him play with the same offense.

BigWig
02-16-2007, 08:44 AM
Im starting to get tired of everyone getting my hopes up, I think I will stop reading any posts about he who will remain nameless untill he is settled with.

Honoring Earl 34
02-16-2007, 09:58 AM
Mostly talked about Carrs inconsistinency based on 250 sacks and having 4 different OC in 5 years. Said he would probably excell on a new team with better players around him but think Houston should keep him and let him play with the same offense.


Somebody help me here .

Palmer 02, 03, 04, some of 05.

Pendry some of 05

Kubiak 06

Palmer has been there 3 out of 5 years ... it's not like they change each year .

real
02-16-2007, 10:11 AM
When I watched NFL network last night they talked about how he still expects to get hit in the pocket because of all the sacks he took his first couple years. They showed two plays.

The first one was against the Giants. We were in shotgun formation, 3 wide. They hike the ball, a free blitzer is coming from his backside. The slot reciever was wide open for about a two mississippi count, David hesitated and didn't throw the ball to him, the reciever ended up running into coverage, and David gets sacked, and fumbles.

The next play they showed he was under center againts the Patriots. The ball was hiked, David takes his drop. The line had good protection. There was plenty of room to step up into the pocket. (Yes....one of those things people around here claim they have never seen...) But instead, David feels some imaginary presure and tries to avoid nothing, throws off his back foot, and subsequently it's an interception.



It may not be Davids fault that he's shell shocked, but he needs some time to think it over.

The Pencil Neck
02-16-2007, 01:59 PM
Somebody help me here .

Palmer 02, 03, 04, some of 05.

Pendry some of 05

Kubiak 06

Palmer has been there 3 out of 5 years ... it's not like they change each year .

Actually, isn't it:

Palmer: 02, 03, 04, some of 05
Pendry: rest of 05
Calhoun: 06
Sherman: 07

That would at least work out to 4 in 5 years... just not the way that they hinted at it.

Texan_Bill
02-16-2007, 03:34 PM
Actually, isn't it:

Palmer: 02, 03, 04, some of 05
Pendry: rest of 05
Calhoun: 06
Sherman: 07

That would at least work out to 4 in 5 years... just not the way that they hinted at it.

Isn't that 3 coordinators in the first 5 seasons. Sherman doesn't count yet..
Damn, I'm confused... :drunk:

yourfavoritetexan42
02-16-2007, 04:11 PM
I just watched something on espn...and 3 out of 3 said it would be really stupid for us to get rid of Carr. I have talked to a lot of football coaches personally, and they agree...the only people who think we should get rid of carr, is just the average fans.


Wonder what the organization will do...

texans83
02-16-2007, 04:16 PM
I say we keep him but what do I know im just a average fan, well die hard fan rather. But I think if he didnt show us anything next year give him the boot. I just want to win as does everyone else on here so what ever gets us wins ill be happy

Double Barrel
02-16-2007, 04:23 PM
I hope they reported that Carr's problems are everyone else's fault but his. :winky:

If 3 out of 3 'experts' say that we should keep him and would be stupid to let him go, then they must think he's worth a lot on the market. And by "a lot", I mean a 4th round draft pick.

DarkNinja
02-16-2007, 04:24 PM
When is this butt-of-all-NFL-jokes-franchise-Texans-organization is going to learn from its mistakes?:tease:

Honoring Earl 34
02-16-2007, 04:24 PM
I just watched something on espn...and 3 out of 3 said it would be really stupid for us to get rid of Carr. I have talked to a lot of football coaches personally, and they agree...the only people who think we should get rid of carr, is just the average fans.


Wonder what the organization will do...

Do you play for Clements ?

hollywood_texan
02-16-2007, 04:29 PM
I just watched something on espn...and 3 out of 3 said it would be really stupid for us to get rid of Carr. I have talked to a lot of football coaches personally, and they agree...the only people who think we should get rid of carr, is just the average fans.


Wonder what the organization will do...

If the Texans keep Carr and the same problems persist, then maybe average fans know more than these coaches you have talked to?

Besides, Smith and Kubiak are not sold Carr, otherwise they wouldn't be shopping him.

Honoring Earl 34
02-16-2007, 04:44 PM
The thing that hurt me most last year.. was the records set against us; making their QB's look champs of NFL. When a rookie comes in and takes over the defense, what does that say. Hell, his 1st year lead the team in everything. 5 yrs, and a rookie is our outstanding player.I'm happy we got him.. but how sad was the team before he came.

I think it states that the life of the team started over last year .

Hopefully it's something to build on .

The Pencil Neck
02-16-2007, 05:35 PM
I just watched something on espn...and 3 out of 3 said it would be really stupid for us to get rid of Carr. I have talked to a lot of football coaches personally, and they agree...the only people who think we should get rid of carr, is just the average fans.


Wonder what the organization will do...


Well, you should watch more shows then. I've seen lots of opinions both ways on ESPN and the NFL network.

I think a lot of people (analysts and coaches) just haven't watched the tapes of our games. They remember Carr from his college days and from the first year with the Texans when there was no offensive line and they assume that it's still the same problem: the line.

But the line was functioning fine this past year. It was not the trainwreck that some people make it out to be. It wasn't great. There were some occasional whiffs that happen to average lines. It could be improved. But it wasn't the problem.

It's like in the examples the NFL Network showed, Carr goes back, has plenty of protection and time and then, because he's afraid he's going to get hit, he either makes the wrong read, throws with poor mechanics, or panics and pulls the ball down and DOES get sacked because of indecision. If you're on a three step drop and you're supposed to get the ball out when your back foot hits and you bring the ball back down and start dancing around, the sack is on YOU not on the line.

In the Browns game, he locked onto AJ, misread and thought that the linebacker was going to go with the tightend (instead of sitting in a zone), missed the tightend going free on the crossing pattern, and then forces the ball to AJ. The LB tips the ball up and it's picked off in the red zone. He had PLENTY of time for that throw. There was no pressure.

thunderkyss
02-16-2007, 06:47 PM
I just watched something on espn...and 3 out of 3 said it would be really stupid for us to get rid of Carr. I have talked to a lot of football coaches personally, and they agree...the only people who think we should get rid of carr, is just the average fans.


Wonder what the organization will do...

uh.. You're darn right it would be stupid to get rid of Carr now. We should have done it last year, when there were three franchise QBs available in the first round of last year's draft, & Bruce Gradkowski hanging around in the 6th.

But no... we payed a guy $8 million not knowing if he was worth it or not. I'm sorry, that would be wrong. We awarded him an $8 mil bonus, plus a $5.25 million salary. $13.25 million that's $13,250,000.00 for one year(if we cut him).

There's no way that can come across, as not stupid.

That's true all over the NFL. The 1st. the fans jump on is the QB. Here is just the same old stuff.. but Capers got the axe, along with C.C. Until we control the line, both Defense and Offense.. We won't be winners. :ok:

The first thing?? Where have you been?? this has been building for 5 years. People criticizing the play of David Carr have been ostracized by the Cali Mafia, and the Texans Homers for the past 4 years.

Ole Miss Texan
02-16-2007, 07:02 PM
It's easy. If the FO thinks the best decision for the long term success of the organization is to cut or trade carr they will do it. If they think it's either too late to do that or think it's not in the best interest...they won't cut/trade him.

We as fans are tired of the W/L record of our team and some of the questionable decision making Carr has made over the years. But just releasing him or trading him because we're tired of it may be a dumb move financially at this point as thunderkyss alluded to.

Nawzer
02-16-2007, 07:17 PM
I'm not a big Plummer guy, I don't think he'll be that much better than Carr. But I'm not a big fan of David Carr either specially after the season he had. Granted DC didn't have great protection, but at some point a qb has to start showing some maturity, some development, but he regressed. He fundamentals are messed up and you don't need to be a football coach to see that. He just doesn't look like a guy who can lead a team anymore. Given all that I would keep Carr because it's going to cost us money if we let him go and I don't think we'll get back a fair value in a trade. All I ask from the Texans FO this offseason is to bring in some real competition at the qb spot.

GP
02-16-2007, 08:24 PM
uh.. You're darn right it would be stupid to get rid of Carr now. We should have done it last year, when there were three franchise QBs available in the first round of last year's draft, & Bruce Gradkowski hanging around in the 6th.

But no... we payed a guy $8 million not knowing if he was worth it or not. I'm sorry, that would be wrong. We awarded him an $8 mil bonus, plus a $5.25 million salary. $13.25 million that's $13,250,000.00 for one year(if we cut him).

There's no way that can come across, as not stupid.



The first thing?? Where have you been?? this has been building for 5 years. People criticizing the play of David Carr have been ostracized by the Cali Mafia, and the Texans Homers for the past 4 years.

Oh, stop crying about all the "different factions" of Carr supporters.

I think 98% of us (minus Kaiser Toro, Hook 'Em, SWTBound, and Vinny) have gone back and forth as to what we think of Carr. You, especially, said you (a) had Carr's back...and then after the draft you (b) criticized him all day long, every day and then you (c) said OK, OK I agree he should be given a shot, and now you are (d) back on the "Look at all the franchise QBs we passed on" boo-hoo-hoo stuff. I've been there, too, and it's a place we all live at from time to time. I have gone back and forth on DC a lot, as well.

Let's be fair; however, and understand that it's human nature to wish for someone to rise up and do well--We all, with the exception of a few here, felt that David might have a chance at redemption this past season. There's no shame in that, is there? If DC is a decent guy (as it appears he is) shouldn't the main emphasis of all this talk be about how we hope he can do well somewhere else? But instead, in our selfishness, we only care about ridding the team of someone. And some may argue that DC was selfish for taking thoe bonus money, fo rnot re-working the contract etc., but we are all feeding the beast of entertainment by watching the NFL and actively propping it up. We're all involved in this bloody mess together, IMO.

So let's stop acting like DC (or any other Texans player for that matter) is just some cog in the wheel of our sports fantasy lives...let's understand that he was given a shot this season, it didn't really work out, and the Texans organization tried to do what it felt was the best thing to do. But because it DIDN'T work out doesn't mean it was stupid.

It was as stupid as guessing either heads or tails on a coin flip.

DC will land in Minnesota or Tampa Bay. And then we'll all have to find a new Texans player to become the goat of this franchise. It's human nature. Plummer would do no better or worse, IMO, than DC. Jeff Garcia would also not do as well here. It's been said, and it's true: We don't have enough talent in all areas to really be a great team right now.

20 years went by before Chicago landed back into the Super Bowl. And we're griping about our condition in only 5 seasons worth of Texans football. We would need to go 15 more years to truly understand what it's like to be a suffering fan for an NFL team.

Yikes.

Go Texans!

We'll get it right eventually.

GP
02-16-2007, 08:29 PM
Oh, stop crying about all the "different factions" of Carr supporters.

I think 98% of us (minus Kaiser Toro, Hook 'Em, SWTBound, and Vinny) have gone back and forth as to what we think of Carr. You, especially, said you (a) had Carr's back...and then after the draft you (b) criticized him all day long, every day and then you (c) said OK, OK I agree he should be given a shot, and now you are (d) back on the "Look at all the franchise QBs we passed on" boo-hoo-hoo stuff. I've been there, too, and it's a place we all live at from time to time. I have gone back and forth on DC a lot, as well.

Let's be fair; however, and understand that it's human nature to wish for someone to rise up and do well--We all, with the exception of a few here, felt that David might have a chance at redemption this past season. There's no shame in that, is there? If DC is a decent guy (as it appears he is) shouldn't the main emphasis of all this talk be about how we hope he can do well somewhere else? But instead, in our selfishness, we only care about ridding the team of someone. And some may argue that DC was selfish for taking thoe bonus money, fo rnot re-working the contract etc., but we are all feeding the beast of entertainment by watching the NFL and actively propping it up. We're all involved in this bloody mess together, IMO.

So let's stop acting like DC (or any other Texans player for that matter) is just some cog in the wheel of our sports fantasy lives...let's understand that he was given a shot this season, it didn't really work out, and the Texans organization tried to do what it felt was the best thing to do. But because it DIDN'T work out doesn't mean it was stupid.

It was as stupid as guessing either heads or tails on a coin flip.

DC will land in Minnesota or Tampa Bay. And then we'll all have to find a new Texans player to become the goat of this franchise. It's human nature. Plummer would do no better or worse, IMO, than DC. Jeff Garcia would also not do as well here. It's been said, and it's true: We don't have enough talent in all areas to really be a great team right now.

20 years went by before Chicago landed back into the Super Bowl. And we're griping about our condition in only 5 seasons worth of Texans football. We would need to go 15 more years to truly understand what it's like to be a suffering fan for an NFL team.

Yikes.

Go Texans!

We'll get it right eventually.

Plus, Vince could snap a leg or blow a knee on one of his scrambles this next season (ala McNabb) and it would not really matter much that we passed on VY.

Not saying I "want" it to happen. But saying that the guy is a target. A big one. And his style of game is exciting, it can break games in a heartbeat, but he's a walking time bomb in my opinion.

I'd take a pocket passer any day--A Montana or an Aikman, etc....someone who might get a few concussions, but they're not going to get their legs torqued on a scramble play.

Vick hasn't done a thing.

McNabb's had one shot in a Super Bowl.

Culpepper is done.

I'm not stressing out about us passing on a future cripple.

Texian
02-16-2007, 08:58 PM
uh.. You're darn right it would be stupid to get rid of Carr now. We should have done it last year, when there were three franchise QBs available in the first round of last year's draft, & Bruce Gradkowski hanging around in the 6th.

But no... we payed a guy $8 million not knowing if he was worth it or not. I'm sorry, that would be wrong. We awarded him an $8 mil bonus, plus a $5.25 million salary. $13.25 million that's $13,250,000.00 for one year(if we cut him).

There's no way that can come across, as not stupid.


I thought I was the only one with this point of view. That move would make Casserly look like a genius. If they do get rid of Carr and bring in Plummer, Plummer will not be any better than Carr, probably worse. If Carr plays better than Plummer somewhere else, all the while VY, Cutler and Lienart are lighting it up, then Dandy Don can start singing "Turn out the Lights" on Kubiak's Texans career. The fans will turn on Kubiak worse than they turned on Carr. Besides the QB class for 08 is much more promising than the 07 class.

thunderkyss
02-16-2007, 09:11 PM
Plus, Vince could snap a leg or blow a knee on one of his scrambles this next season (ala McNabb) and it would not really matter much that we passed on VY.

Not saying I "want" it to happen. But saying that the guy is a target. A big one. And his style of game is exciting, it can break games in a heartbeat, but he's a walking time bomb in my opinion.

I'd take a pocket passer any day--A Montana or an Aikman, etc....someone who might get a few concussions, but they're not going to get their legs torqued on a scramble play.

Vick hasn't done a thing.

McNabb's had one shot in a Super Bowl.

Culpepper is done.

I'm not stressing out about us passing on a future cripple.

uh...... I'm saying it would be stupid for us to cut him after paying him $13 million.

I'm not arguing that we should cut him, trade him, or what ever.

regardless what happens to/with Vince. Jay, Lienart, Gradkowski, Brees, Garcia, or any other "franchise" QB we could have picked up last year. for that same amount of money($13 million/year)

Forget about the other QBs. It's stupid to give a guy $13 million one year, then cut him the next.

Peyton Manning, Mike Vick, Brady, etc.... real money wise, factor in their bonus & the salary they make, it comes out to about $10 million/year in real money.

you wouldn't cut Peyton or Manning would you??

you wouldn't pay Pat Ramsey $10 mil/year would you??

of course not, that would be stupid. Regardles what young talent is in the draft.

aj.
02-16-2007, 09:17 PM
After watching 8 for five years, and desperately wanting him to succeed, it's my belief that even with an above average OL in front of him, he's still no better than Joey Harrington, Trent Dilfer, Kyle Boller or Billy Volek.

Casserly missed on the vast majority of his draft picks (of course he was just picking players that Dom, Vic and Chris wanted :rolleyes: ) but it's taking a while for some to come to grips with the fact that they missed big time on the first overall.

Honoring Earl 34
02-16-2007, 09:29 PM
After watching 8 for five years, and desperately wanting him to succeed, it's my belief that even with an above average OL in front of him, Carr is still no better than Joey Harrington, Trent Dilfer, Kyle Boller or Billy Volek.

Casserly missed on the vast majority of his draft picks (of course he was just picking players that Dom, Vic and Chris wanted) but it's taking a while for some to come to grips with the fact that they missed big time on the first overall.

The thing is 2002 was'nt a great draft as a whole . So where do you start Peppers ... he's great but he does'nt fit our system .

So we draft a QB to play in a conservative system . That does'nt make sense but heh this is Charley Casserly building this team .

Mel Kiper said at the draft of 2002 that if Drew Brees was on the board he'd be the first pick . Well what's that tell you ?

I hope the 2006 and 2007 drafts lay the foundation for the future because I'm not getting any younger .

RTP2110
02-16-2007, 09:32 PM
-=Nevermind=-

BattleRedToro
02-16-2007, 09:34 PM
After watching 8 for five years, and desperately wanting him to succeed, it's my belief that even with an above average OL in front of him, Carr is still no better than Joey Harrington, Trent Dilfer, Kyle Boller or Billy Volek.

Casserly missed on the vast majority of his draft picks (of course he was just picking players that Dom, Vic and Chris wanted) but it's taking a while for some to come to grips with the fact that they missed big time on the first overall.

I must point out that never during those five years did David Carr play behind an above average OL. At best, he might have played behind an average line for one year. The remainder of those four years was spent behind one the leagues worst pass blocking OL's. I would also like to add that I have read many posts saying that no QB should have to have a Pro Bowl line to perform well. I would agree with this except the implied meaning of these posts is that David Carr must have such an OL to perform well. I for one would like to see him play behind an above average line before making such an implication, and that isn't to say that David Carr doesn't also need to improve many aspects of his play, because he does.

thunderkyss
02-16-2007, 09:37 PM
The thing is 2002 was'nt a great draft as a whole . So where do you start Peppers ... he's great but he does'nt fit our system .

So we draft a QB to play in a conservative system . That does'nt make sense but heh this is Charley Casserly building this team .

Mel Kiper said at the draft of 2002 that if Drew Brees was on the board he'd be the first pick . Well what's that tell you ?

I hope the 2006 and 2007 drafts lay the foundation for the future because I'm not getting any younger .

Julius Peppers would be an awesome 3-4 defensive end.

he wouldn't be the guy we know today, but he still would have been something else.

Honoring Earl 34
02-16-2007, 09:47 PM
Julius Peppers would be an awesome 3-4 defensive end.

he wouldn't be the guy we know today, but he still would have been something else.

I know TK ... Peppers would be good no matter what . YOU'RE right Peppers could have been a 3-4 DE ... he could have done decent as a 3-4 OLB .

I was expressing the climate at the time from what I remembered .

Ole Miss Texan
02-16-2007, 09:55 PM
Even looking back on it now...I think when you start off your franchise..the #1 guy should be the QB the leader of the team. imo. I'm glad we got carr instead of Harrington...isn't that what the debate was about back then qb vs qb wise? harrington couldn't have lasted (health wise) this long. which may or may not be a good thing actually.

Honoring Earl 34
02-16-2007, 10:01 PM
1976 *Lee Roy Selmon, de Oklahoma Tampa Bay 9 6
1977 Ricky Bell, rb Southern Cal Tampa Bay 6 0
1978 *Earl Campbell, rb Texas Houston 8 5
1979 Tom Cousineau, lb Ohio State Buffalo 6 0
1980 Billy Sims, rb Oklahoma Detroit 5 3
1981 George Rogers, rb South Carolina New Orleans 7 2
1982 Kenneth Sims, dt Texas New England 8 0
1983 *John Elway, qb Stanford Baltimore 16 10
1984 Irving Fryar, wr Nebraska New England 15 5
1985 Bruce Smith, de Virginia Tech Buffalo 18 11
1986 Bo Jackson, rb Auburn Tampa Bay 4 1
1987 Vinny Testaverde, qb Miami, (Fla.) Tampa Bay 20 2
1988 Aundray Bruce, lb Auburn Atlanta 11 0
1989 Troy Aikman, qb UCLA Dallas 12 6
1990 Jeff George, qb Illinois Indianapolis 13 0
1991 Russell Maryland, dt Miami, (Fla.) Dallas 10 1
1992 Steve Emtman, dt Washington Indianapolis 8 0
1993 Drew Bledsoe, qb Washington State New England 14 4
1994 Dan Wilkinson, dt Ohio State Cincinnati 13 0
1995 Ki-Jana Carter, rb Penn State Cincinnati 8 0
1996 Keyshawn Johnson, wr Southern Cal. N.Y. Jets 11 4
1997 Orlando Pace, ot Ohio State St. Louis Rams 10 7
1998 Peyton Manning, qb Tennessee Indianapolis 9 7
1999 Tim Couch, qb Kentucky Cleveland 6 0
2000 Courtney Brown, de Penn State Cleveland 7 0
2001 Michael Vick, qb Virginia Tech Atlanta 6 3
2002 David Carr, qb Fresno State Houston 5 0
2003 Carson Palmer, qb Southern Cal. Cincinnati 4 2
2004 Eli Manning, qb Mississippi San Diego 3 0
2005 Alex Smith, qb Utah San Francisco 2 0
2006 Mario Williams, de N. Carolina State Houston

Some years it's boom ... others it's bust .

HOOK'EM
02-16-2007, 10:34 PM
I hope they reported that Carr's problems are everyone else's fault but his. :winky:

If 3 out of 3 'experts' say that we should keep him and would be stupid to let him go, then they must think he's worth a lot on the market. And by "a lot", I mean a 4th round draft pick.

At the end of the show, they were talking about who would be better for teams to go after Garcia or Carr.......................they picked Carr.

HOOK'EM
02-16-2007, 10:38 PM
Trade him and get what we can................. I'm ready for the "Snake".

HOOK'EM
02-16-2007, 10:39 PM
..............at least the media seems to be helping us out by creating a market for a washed up QB.

whiskeyrbl
02-17-2007, 08:43 AM
Would it be out of the realm of possibility for the Texans to trade Carr to either the Raiders, Bucs, Vikes, or Pack along with our #3 for anyone of these teams 2nd rd pick ?

TwinSisters
02-17-2007, 01:09 PM
Some years it's boom ... others it's bust .

Defensive Lineman then Running Back
Wilkinson then Ki-Jana.

5 years with a 7-9 watermark prior,

then 10 years of sucking and sucking before they post a winning season.

15 years without a postseason performance and then only after they strike it with a QB worth a hoot.

trutxn
02-17-2007, 03:05 PM
Somebody help me here .

Palmer 02, 03, 04, some of 05.

Pendry some of 05

Kubiak 06

Palmer has been there 3 out of 5 years ... it's not like they change each year .

Palmer/Pendry never called plays to take advantage of their skill position players. There is a reason they were fired, its because they sucked!

trutxn
02-17-2007, 03:08 PM
Defensive Lineman then Running Back
Wilkinson then Ki-Jana.

5 years with a 7-9 watermark prior,

then 10 years of sucking and sucking before they post a winning season.

15 years without a postseason performance and then only after they strike it with a QB worth a hoot.

Its an insult to compare the Texans to the Bengals. In 15 yrs we will have a SB Championship. We still have 10 left.

Honoring Earl 34
02-17-2007, 03:11 PM
Its an insult to compare the Texans to the Bengals. In 15 yrs we will have a SB Championship. We still have 10 left.

Dude if you can see that far into the future ... how about 6 numbers for tonight .

thunderkyss
02-17-2007, 03:13 PM
Palmer/Pendry never called plays to take advantage of their skill position players. There is a reason they were fired, its because they sucked!

The point was that the article makes it sound like David had to adjust to 4 different systems, which is not the case.

TwinSisters
02-17-2007, 03:29 PM
Its an insult to compare the Texans to the Bengals. In 15 yrs we will have a SB Championship. We still have 10 left.

yeah, I actually agree with you here. :D

trutxn
02-17-2007, 03:50 PM
The point was that the article makes it sound like David had to adjust to 4 different systems, which is not the case.

No, he just had to adjust to two terrible play callers.

Tulip
02-17-2007, 03:57 PM
The point was that the article makes it sound like David had to adjust to 4 different systems, which is not the case.

Exactly - he's only had 3 OCs to date. And he had the same OC for the first 3.25 years.

thunderkyss
02-17-2007, 04:05 PM
No, he just had to adjust to two terrible play callers.

To me, the play calling has been adjusting to the player. But that's me. The Offenses we have ran in Houston doesn't look like the O Capers had in Carolina, or the O Kubiak ran in Denver.

Maybe it's the other players... but we've been sifting through them for the last 5 years, with no progress.

Honoring Earl 34
02-17-2007, 04:13 PM
To me, the play calling has been adjusting to the player. But that's me. The Offenses we have ran in Houston doesn't look like the O Capers had in Carolina, or the O Kubiak ran in Denver.

Maybe it's the other players... but we've been sifting through them for the last 5 years, with no progress.

TK ... I read where YOU'RE an electrician .

Do you have to troubleshoot ?

If so ... YOU'RE used to the procees of elimanation to get to the problem ... right .

thunderkyss
02-17-2007, 04:22 PM
TK ... I read where YOU'RE an electrician .

Do you have to troubleshoot ?

If so ... YOU'RE used to the procees of elimanation to get to the problem ... right .

Yes.

Yes.


& Yes.

Honoring Earl 34
02-17-2007, 04:23 PM
Yes.

Yes.


& Yes.

Are you residential , industrial , or construction ?

BattleRedToro
02-18-2007, 02:33 PM
To me, the play calling has been adjusting to the player. But that's me. The Offenses we have ran in Houston doesn't look like the O Capers had in Carolina, or the O Kubiak ran in Denver.

Maybe it's the other players... but we've been sifting through them for the last 5 years, with no progress.

Maybe it is the terrible pass blocking of the Offensive Line. :shades:

SESupergenius
02-18-2007, 03:04 PM
Julius Peppers would be an awesome 3-4 defensive end.

he wouldn't be the guy we know today, but he still would have been something else.
Peppers would not be an awesome 3-4 DE. He might have been an awesome linebacker like Willie McGinnest in the 3-4, but certainly not a DE, he lacks the strength to be a solid DE in the 3-4. He does however posses the speed and agility to be a blitzing LB in the 3-4 who can drop into coverage from time to time (which he currently does in the 4-3 with the Panthers).

This debate however is about 5 years old, you should have been here for that in 2002.

2BCF
02-18-2007, 04:58 PM
I agree with the title of this thread, Carr has more potential on the NFL Network than on the field.
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thunderkyss
02-18-2007, 08:22 PM
Are you residential , industrial , or construction ?

industrial.