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Ibar_Harry
10-16-2004, 02:05 AM
Read this (http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/sports/2850368) and you just want to pull your hair out by the roots. The man has a formula for everything, but no feel for the game at hand. To me his analysis is flawed beyond belief. His team was down 21 points, because he couldn't run the ball. Well folks guess what, he wants to run the ball this week. Fortunately his team is playing away from Reliant Stadium. I suspect he might be booed out of the great state of Texas. What can one say?

geka
10-16-2004, 02:32 AM
This is why we fire them all

Corrosion
10-16-2004, 03:55 AM
As much as i dont think the Texans personel doesnt mix well with Capers "formula for winning games" the rate at which teams rush for 100+ yards and or 30+carries a game win V.S. teams that rush for less than 100 yards and or 30 carries is a staggering 4:1 .
My problem with the playcalling is not the actual plays themselves but the fact Capers / Palmer fail to use all the weapons at their disposal . Sure A.J. should get 10-12 touches a game and the backs should get a combined 30
Touches (not Carries) or so but from there the rest of the team should get a look if for nothing else but to keep the opposing defense honest .
The lack of production from the TE spot is a Huge concern to me . Texans TE's have a combined seven (7) catches this season . Recieving from the TE position is one of this teams strengths , in past seasons B. miller has had 51 (2002)and 40 (2003) catches . Bruener on the other hand had 13 in 2002 and only two (2) last season with the Steelers . Thats a dramatic decrease for Miller although it can be attributed in some part to the numbers A.J. is putting up . (as well as DD's 21 catches)
The lack of play action .... cant think of the last time i saw the Texans use P/A . The lack of short to intermediate "timing route's" is another thing i dont think they use enough , quick slants by either the slot reciever or TE . These type of plays keep a defense honest, they cant afford to put 8 men in the box . The safety creeping up for run support gets beat a couple times by the TE running a quick slant or deep post will think twice before commiting to the run as early . same can be said for play action . D-back commits to the run on the fake and it turns into a big play .
Screen passes are another (essentially a running play) , DD is one of the best pass catching RB's in the league , instead of dumping the ball off to him w/ no blockers design a play which takes advantage of his skills as a RB as well as reciever . I also dont see a lot of guard / tackles's pulling to get the RB outside on running plays . Maybe they arent athletic enough for this type of play .
There is only one way to control the clock and keep the opposing offense off the field , thats Move The Chains . There are many ways to do that but only moving the chains will eat up clock.
Three yards and a cloud of dust isnt gonna cut it . Palmer and Capers need to be more creative in their play selection.

Grid
10-16-2004, 05:12 AM
Capers is right.

I hate it too.. I want to see more of our passing game.. more than that.. I dont want to risk some kind of "injury" to the moral or skills of our team by using them "incorrectly"

But you gotta do what you gotta do.. and you GOTTA run the football in the NFL.

The way I look at it.. this is a good thing. If we are gonna ever know if Davis is our RB.. we gotta give him chances. We gotta hand him the ball and we gotta see if he has the stuff to pick himself up after a crappy beggining to the season, and get back to where he was.

Just imagine how good we could be if Davis was running like last year.. AND we had our current passing game.


I know we all want to see the Texans in the playoffs.. we all want to see the talking heads eating crow and jumping on the Texans bandwagon.. but if it isnt this year, oh well.

it is more important for us that we grow as a team at this point. We have alot of tools.. alot of YOUNG tools that are gonna be here for a good long while. And we can afford to play to improve, rather than play to win. I know that probably makes some of you grit your teeth to even think about it.. but it is the smart thing to do. Sure.. if we want to win we could just say "ya know.. our running game isnt getting it done, we will be a passing team this year." or "the 3-4 isnt working, lets start working on a 4-3".. but you dont just give up on something.. especially when you know that if you get it working right, you are GONNA win games.

We all know how good we are.. just imagine where we are going to be in another year or two.. with 2 more FA periods under our belt.. and 2 more drafts. We will be a REAL NFL team.. not a patchwork team with an exorbinant amount of talent at certain positions.

Patience is a virtue and we all need to practice it more. give it time.. give D.D. a chance.. give our coaches, who are famous for being defensive gurus, do their thing. Lets see if Palmers is worth his salt when we have a REAL WORKING offense.

Then lets start making judgements. Im not saying we should refrain from picking apart our strengths and weaknesses.. or we should stop second guessing coaching decisions. But lets not let it go overboard.. lets not act like if we dont make changes immediatly, our team will be ground into oblivion and never be heard from again. Sit back, relax, enjoy the games.. look for future playmakers.. and look forward to another chance to fill our gaps and get new talent.. and keep HOPING for those playoffs, keep hoping that things will just click and we will start dominating.. but lets not let it be the basis for every judgement we make about this team.

Like I said.. yah, we have alot of talent at certain positions.. but having very talented wide receivers and a very talented QB.. that doesnt get you to the playoffs.. ask the Vikings, ask the Chargers, as the Cardinals.. one dimensional teams cannot win.. you have to be good in every aspect of the game. We are not to that point yet.. if we make it to the playoffs.. i dont want to say it will be a fluke.. but it will be very impressive and very unheard of.


so.. yah.. thats the end of my rant. I look forward to seeing D.D. back in the saddle this week. I hope that we will in fact become a BALANCED offense though.. not a running offense.

Grid
10-16-2004, 05:17 AM
isnt it kind of odd for a coach to come out and say

"we are 4-1 when we run the ball 35 times, and we didnt do that last week.. so we are going to do that this week"

I mean.. isnt that kinda like broadcasting your plans to the opposing team?

just a thought.

for all you conspiracy theorists.. i wonder if we are going to come out passing now?

rhc564
10-16-2004, 08:11 AM
...some boots, please

HJam72
10-16-2004, 08:18 AM
I can't say that that article bothers me too much, actually. We can't really go out and pass constantly like we did in the second half of that game, but I still think that the whole run--run--incomplete pass--punt thing has got to go. What's worse is run--run to same spot--run to same spot--punt. That's not helping the offense or the defense in any way. Running on every first down is too predictable and saying well before the game starts that that's what you're going to do is worse. I hope he's lying to confuse them, lol--but he's not. Capers is a run--run--audible-to-run kind of coach. It's always DEFENSIVE coaches that run their offenses that way.

aj.
10-16-2004, 08:51 AM
This statement: "We want to have balance," come from the core of Coach Capers' beliefs and I happen to agree with him. I don't think you will find many other coaches in the NFL that will stray too far from that philosophy either. I think he "gets it" just fine.

Grid
10-16-2004, 09:10 AM
boots? i dont get it :)

nunusguy
10-16-2004, 09:37 AM
AJ is an awesome athelete, in the current vernacular a freak. You have to get
the ball to him a minimum of 10 or so times a game - its a mortal sin not to.
We've seen he can make plays even when he is double or triple teamed. Get
it to him in the flat, over the middle, and most of all deep. Bob McNair should
take Capers aside before every game and talk to me like a little kid and remind him that McNair's biggest investments and most talented players on O are AJ & Carr.
And I'm puzzled why they have DD on the brain - he's a piddling 4th round pick. Their run game took a step backwards last week when they pulled Wells and played DD.

wags
10-16-2004, 09:55 AM
Capers says in that article that if they threw it 40 times a game Carr would get hit a ton. If a balanced attack leads to keeping Carr healthy, then I am all for it. I have no problem running it this week because the Titans have a weak run defense, and their secondary is a strength IMO.
AJ will not touch the ball 10 times a game. If he can average 6-7 a game that's awesome. Right now Marvin Harrison and Randy Moss are only averaging 6 catches a game, and they're the two best receivers in the NFL.

wags
10-16-2004, 10:01 AM
And I'm puzzled why they have DD on the brain - he's a piddling 4th round pick. Their run game took a step backwards last week when they pulled Wells and played DD.

Priest Holmes was undrafted and Terrell Davis was a sixth round pick. Draft position doesn't mean a whole lot, except how much money you will make. Wells had a great game because our O-line played well. When our O-line plays bad we average 2 yards a carry.

aj.
10-16-2004, 10:03 AM
AJ is one of the most targeted receivers in the NFL.

According to Stats Inc., he has been the intended receiver 51 times in the Texans 5 games. Of the top ten WRs in the league, AJ is second only to Isaac Bruce who has been targeted 56 times.

http://snap.stats.com/stats/nflinfo/index.asp

profan
10-16-2004, 10:24 AM
I agree that we need more balance. What I don't agree with is forcing the run to set up the pass. We should get the ball to our receivers as much as possible to get a good lead in the first half, then, run the ball to run out the clock. If we do not get first downs with the run, then go back to the pass. Balance would be nice, but I'm afraid Capers is going to go about it the wrong way by trying to get the ball to DD to much in the first half. That's what got us down 21 points against the Vikings. Capers should be more concerned with the number of points and yards the defense is giving up and leave the offense alone. I truly believe all the bashing you guys give Palmer should be redirected to Capers.

luv-ya-blue
10-16-2004, 10:25 AM
Im sure glad all u Capers haters arent running rhis team or we'd be 0 for and going nowhere.Its is so obvious,even to a casual fan, that its our defense who is loosing games. Sure, our offense is still growing and has alot to improve on but with and above avg. defense we'd be around 4-1.

cuppacoffee
10-16-2004, 11:04 AM
boots? i dont get it :)

For wading around in deep doo-doo.

bckey
10-16-2004, 11:18 AM
The article doesn't bother me. It makes sense. It still doesn't make me a Capers fan though. Never have been. I hated it when it was annouced he would be the coach to build this team. Of course I'm still a Texan fan. Don't even think about saying I have to love our coach to be a fan. He should have stuck with being a defensive coordinator IMHO.

Corrosion
10-16-2004, 11:19 AM
I think the point of my previous post in this thread was a Balanced Offense . I'm all for running the ball Effeciently and as many times a game as is realistic. The problem isnt how many times the backs get the ball , its the few touches other players besides DD (when healthy) and A.J get , and the lack of creativity from the offense overall that bothers me .
As far as passing 50 times a game , with the way the O-line has performed to date DC would be in a body bag by now if that were common place.
As to the Defense being the cause for the number in the loss column , you can place just as much blame on the offense . Dont know how many times the D has forced a punt or turnover and the O goes 3 and out , then the D gives up a score .
Most teams "Script" their forst 6-10 plays on offense , meaning that the plays are pre-determined (barring audibles) to establish something early , usually the running game . Instead of running up the gut for 3 yards , why not pull a tackle and take the play outside or run a screen pass putting the RB in the open field where he can make someone miss ? Maybe come out with 4 wide and run a draw play .
Its the Predictability factor ...... every team knows what to expect from the Texans early . The Texans could stand to use more miss-direction , more or less disguise their plan like defenses disguise their coverages than to just come to the line and attepmt to run straight forward ..... 3 yards and a cloud of dust.
The Texans have the weapons , its up to the coaching staff to be creative enough to make the best use of All of them , not just DD and AJ.

:popcorn:

cuppacoffee
10-16-2004, 11:26 AM
AJ is an awesome athelete, in the current vernacular a freak. You have to get
the ball to him a minimum of 10 or so times a game - its a mortal sin not to.
We've seen he can make plays even when he is double or triple teamed. Get
it to him in the flat, over the middle, and most of all deep. Bob McNair should
take Capers aside before every game and talk to me like a little kid and remind him that McNair's biggest investments and most talented players on O are AJ & Carr.
And I'm puzzled why they have DD on the brain - he's a piddling 4th round pick. Their run game took a step backwards last week when they pulled Wells and played DD.

First offensive play of the game for Texans.....fake to DD into the line, throw deep sideline pass to AJ....touchdown! :thumbup

geka
10-16-2004, 11:39 AM
The few of yall on Capers balls that think he is right are full of it. Capers went into the last game intending to run the ball every play of the game or 35 times or whatever.

Using the lets run it alot so we can win they got the ball to DD the first 6 plays and trust me a sort pass is basically an extention of the run game. The first 6 plays to DD? You know what that is? Its a crime its a joke its enough reason to fire them all.

They are not going to change their mind. They will go into every game like this, untill the coaches are fired we will never reach our potential. You know the pass can set up the run the run dont have to set up the pass. Aslong as our best 3 players are a QB and 2 WR nobody is going to overcommit to the run because 7 people can stop it easy.

rhc564
10-16-2004, 12:15 PM
...well said! Let's hope the Texans are coached this week with more
imagination and less predictability... :headbang:

Texan Gal 312
10-16-2004, 12:58 PM
The one thing that will without a doubt take you to the bottom third of the league is changing coaching staffs every two to four years. Consistency over 3-4 years will bring EXECUTION. EXECUTION will bring success and wins.
Without game film is truly difficult to determine what the Texans are doing every play. AJ made all the plays last week but that is not going to happen every week. Carr could just as easily be being grilled for throwing into double coverage.

And since the Texans are so predictable why don't you start a thread that says Texans first six plays against the Titans. Try to be more specific than run to Davis.

I believe in the first series last week the first two runs to Davis netted 7 or 8 yards. The failure on third down was lack of execution.

Vinny
10-16-2004, 01:10 PM
Last week I got frustrated with us being too predictable early in the game too but the bottom line is we are the 7th best scoring offense (7th in yardage also) in the NFL and we are getting better as we mature and can see it each week. All I'd like to see is more intermediate route passing early in the game instead of just taking what the defense gives us. I think if we dictate more to a defense (earlier) we can catch them guessing more and exploit them with some big plays. We can move the ball. We have all seen that. We just need to start playing with the lead and start dictating to other teams instead of the other way around. I just wish we would try to create some confusion and exploit an opposing defense earlier in a game. We are still a team on the rise and clearly not an elite team, so if you look at our record and our stats it is hard for me to complain too much about the offense as a fan. Our big problems are on defense, not offense.
2004 Regular Season
NFL AFC NFC
Scoring Offense

Team G Pts/G TDs
Indianapolis 5 31.8 21
San Diego 5 28.0 17
Minnesota 4 28.0 14
Philadelphia 4 26.8 11
New England 4 26.2 12
New York (A) 4 24.5 11
Houston 5 23.6 13

http://www.nfl.com/stats/teamsort/NFL/OFF-SCORING/2004/regular

Chance_C
10-16-2004, 01:15 PM
One area where we are predictable is that we seldom utilize the tight end. I think we need to gameplan using the tight ends a little more. When Bruener gets the ball he is a load. The problem is he and Billy Miller seldom get the ball. I loved that pass play to Bruener against Minn. last week and I would like to see more of it. Wasn't it against the Cowboys when he had that nice catch and run in the preseason?

Vinny
10-16-2004, 01:30 PM
I think we are a better passing team when we are in a 3 wide set. Armstrong or Gaffney is a much better option than Miller is. Bruenner is here to block mostly. He isn't going to catch many passes.

HJam72
10-16-2004, 01:33 PM
Texans first six plays against Titans:

1) 1st & 10. Carr hands off to DD. DD runs apparent strong side sweep, pass ball across field to Carr for 8 yd. pass play.

2) 2nd and 2. Carr fakes to DD and hands off to Andre Johnson, who passes the ball to Armstrong 10 yds. downfield. Armstrong tosses ball to Chester Pitts. Total of 13 yds. on the play.

3) 1st and 10. Ball is snapped to DD, who hands off to Carr. Carr runs right, throws non-forward pass back to DD, who runs forward and tosses ball back to a dropped back Steve McKinney. McKinney throws 65 yd. pass to Bruener.

4) 1st and 10. McKinney fakes the hike and rumbles forward for 18 yds.

5) 1st and 10. Carr fakes to DD, hands ball to Johson. Johnson throws ball way down field. Ball caught in endzone by Johnson. What a pass!

6) 1st and 10. Carr hands to DD, who fumbles it, picks it up, runs 5 yds., gets hit, fumbles ball, picks it up, runs 5 more yds., fumbles it, picks it up, runs 5 yds., defender misses DD, he fumbles anyway, picks it up, runs 5 more yds., tosses ball to Bruener, who hands it to Carr. Carr throws ball backwards to wide open Todd Wade. Wade runs for touchdown, making most of his own blocks.

Steve McKinney passes for over 400 yds. in this game and Davis fumbles for 150 yds. of positive yardage. Jeff Fisher checks into state hospital with signs of psychological trauma.

nunusguy
10-16-2004, 01:36 PM
Draft position doesn't mean a whole lot, except how much money you will make.
Really ? Do you honestly think Babin would have been starting for us from
Day 1 if he was a 4th round pick ? If you do, we definitely need to get together because there's some Real Estate over across the state line in Lou I want to show - it's a can't miss deal, little bit swampy, but a great investment for you and I'll let you buy it at a bargain price !

Mistril48
10-16-2004, 01:36 PM
AJ is one of the most targeted receivers in the NFL. According to Stats Inc., he has been the intended receiver 51 times in the Texans 5 games. Of the top ten WRs in the league, AJ is second only to Isaac Bruce who has been targeted 56 times...Good post ... the kind of information we don't normally see.

I would again add the comment that I can't believe that posters are critical of the way that Johnson is used. Isn't it possible that the guys(Casserly/Capers/Palmer) who selected and have developed:

a) Carr to the extent that in only his 3rd year, he is leading the AFC in passing yds, yds/gm and yds/att; and

b) Johnson to the extent that in only his 2nd year (although he came out as a junior), he is leading the AFC in receiving yds;

should be trusted to know how to use them.

Vinny
10-16-2004, 01:39 PM
Really ? Do you honestly think Babin would have been starting for us from
Day 1 if he was a 4th round pick ? I have heard that the Texans felt so strongly about Babin that they picked him as the 27th overall pick and gave up other picks for him later in the same draft. Why wouldn't you start a guy you feel that strongly about?

Chance_C
10-16-2004, 01:47 PM
I think we are a better passing team when we are in a 3 wide set. Armstrong or Gaffney is a much better option than Miller is. Bruenner is here to block mostly. He isn't going to catch many passes.

All of that I agree with. I just think that the TE needs to be utilized a little more. Both guys are sure handed, and Bruener can punish some people when he gets the ball. But as you say, with so many options such as Armstrong and Gaffney, I can see where his chances are limited. I just like for them to be completely forgotten.

Vinny
10-16-2004, 01:50 PM
I can agree to some extent, but the less we have used Miller the better this offense has gotten over the years. Miller was a good safety valve for an expansion team, but I can't see him starting on any other NFL club. Joppru is coming off the PUP list soon. Fingers crossed.

Mistril48
10-16-2004, 02:04 PM
The one thing that will without a doubt take you to the bottom third of the league is changing coaching staffs every two to four years Consistency over 3-4 years will bring EXECUTION. EXECUTION will bring success and wins... I believe in the first series last week the first two runs to Davis netted 7 or 8 yards. The failure on third down was lack of execution.
Thank you for your post. I agree with everything you say, but I wanted to clarify the first series playcalling in the Viking Game (source: gamebook http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/gamebook/NFL_20041010_MIN@HOU) bracketed notes are mine

1-10-HST 29 (9:56) 8-D.Carr pass to 37-D.Davis to HST 36 for 7 yards (54-D.Thomas).

(according to Carr, every pass to Davis is a check down. Therefore this was a pass call to someone OTHER than Davis) Successful play

2-3-HST 36 (9:22) PENALTY on HST-47-J.Baxter, False Start, 5 yards, enforced at HST 36 - No Play.

2-8-HST 31 (9:01) 8-D.Carr pass to 37-D.Davis to 50 for 19 yards (27-B.Russell). P1

(according to Carr, every pass to Davis is a check down. therefore this was a pass call to someone OTHER than Davis) Successful play

1-10-50 (8:20) 37-D.Davis up the middle to MIN 46 for 4 yards (57-R.Smith; 90-S.Martin).

(I believe a running play of 4 yrds is considered a success and 3 yrds or less an unsuccessful play) Successful play

2-6-MIN 46 (7:38) 37-D.Davis up the middle to MIN 42 for 4 yards (93-K.Williams, 79-K.Mixon).

(I believe a running play of 4 yrds is considered a success and 3 yrds or less an unsuccessful play) Successful play

I would add that the first 4 plays (2 passes and 2 runs) shows good balance. While the plays as called were 2 runs to Davis and 2 passes to others, Carrs check downs resulted in 4 plays to Davis (although all 4 would be considered successful, IMO)

3-2-MIN 42 (6:51) 37-D.Davis right end to MIN 45 for -3 yards (29-B.Williams, 93-K.Williams).

(3-2 is a good 3rd down situation. The problem is that on this play, the Texans face 9 Vikings in the box! In my opinion, this required Carr to either check to a pass (single coverage by the CBs with no help overtop by the safeties) or if he didn't have a check to a pass in the play package, he should have called a timeout. The down was that important to convert. He didn't and we ended up with our only unsuccessful play in the first quarter)

We didn't touch the ball again in the first quarter.

I don't understand why people think all the plays were called to Davis (2-2 the first 4 plays), or why we were predictable (first 4 plays were successful). I would argue that the above shows a problem only with execution on the third down play.

Chance_C
10-16-2004, 02:05 PM
Joppru is coming off the PUP list soon

Yes, I heard Casserly on 610, and that's very encouraging. I just hope that the injury is healed (must be), and that it's not one that he always has trouble with. It will be nice to get him in the mix.

Mistril48
10-16-2004, 02:26 PM
The one thing that will without a doubt take you to the bottom third of the league is changing coaching staffs every two to four years. Consistency over 3-4 years will bring EXECUTION. EXECUTION will bring success and wins...I agree.

After 5 weeks, only 6 of the 32 NFL teams have had the stability of having the same head coach, offensive coordinator, defensive coordinator and starting QB for three years, since 2002 (Pats, Colts, Eagles, Tacks, Saints and TEXANS). The winning percentage of these teams is 64.3%. On one hand, we are only in the third year of existence. On the other hand, we are one of the elite teams in the NFL in terms of organizational stability and consistency.

(note: to be fair, some of the teams who have changed a coordinator have done so as a result of the coordinator having been promoted to head coach of another team. IMO however, the change, regardless of reason, still results in adjustments. Also these teams (Pittsburgh, St Louis, etc) tend to have high winning percentages and if included with the Elite teams, wouldn't alter the obvious conclusion that stability leads to winning)

nunusguy
10-16-2004, 03:41 PM
Why wouldn't you start a guy you feel that strongly about?
They "felt" that strongly about him, that's why they paid so dearly for him on Draft day. But do they still "feel" that strongly about him , that is, has he met
their expectations ? While he played what I thought was his best game last Sunday, I'm still waiting to see emerge the player I was expecting and hoping for.

Corrosion
10-16-2004, 03:55 PM
The one thing that will without a doubt take you to the bottom third of the league is changing coaching staffs every two to four years. Consistency over 3-4 years will bring EXECUTION. EXECUTION will bring success and wins.
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Couldnt agree more . I dont want Capers and Co. run out of town , just wish they would utilize all their weapons on offense and be a little more creative in doing so . Play Action , Screen Passes , Guards and Tackles pulling to help get an outside running game going , and Moving the pocket around a bit to help protect DC and maybe buy him more time to go thru his reads.

The Texans have made steady progress each season on the offensive side of the ball , each season in a different area .

Year One: Carr established a connection with his TE (Billy Miler) and had a great year under the circumstances (expansion team)
Year Two The O-line got much better at pass protection cutting the sack total more than in half . D.Davis had a great year running the ball (over 1000 yards)
Year Three : The passing Vertical passing game has come alive .

Hopefully by seasons end they can put all of these things together and be a quite formidable offensive team .

:popcorn:

Grid
10-16-2004, 05:23 PM
if you want an immediate difference.. then we need to stop drafting and start using our draft picks to pick up free agents.

Seriously.. its been FIVE FREAKING GAMES. Give our rookies at least a season.. more like two or three.

As for Davis.. helloooo? Rookie of the year?.. 1000 rushing yards in 10 games? do you really think anyone on the team gives a flying funk that he was a 4th round pick? he proved he can play.. the only question now is how long will it be before he comes out of his slump... or will he ever?

Jwwillis
10-16-2004, 09:02 PM
McNair and Co. have built one of the most awarded sports franchises in the country if not the world. Casserly and his coaches have built a competitave team with huge potential in 2-1/4 seasons. I am amazed at how potent the Texans O has become so fast. As for the D they got troubles and they will be addressed. Bone heads who think you can throw bombs all day cause we have AJ are living in a dream world. If the Texans dont establish the run they wont win many games.

Oilers/Texans
10-16-2004, 10:23 PM
I wish the run-n-shoot would be implemented.

Tavo
10-16-2004, 11:33 PM
We all know we have the weapons to make plays but i think that theres nothing wrong with our players, I believe that the only thing wrong with the texans are the coaches, especially the offensive coordinator.

Jwwillis
10-17-2004, 11:19 AM
We all know we have the weapons to make plays but i think that theres nothing wrong with our players, I believe that the only thing wrong with the texans are the coaches, especially the offensive coordinator.

But the coaches built this team from scratch?!? If there is nothing wrong with our players where are the coaches props ? The Texans rank in the top 5 in offense what else do you want from the O-Coordinator ? I can understand If you were calling for the D-Coordinators job but why the O? Is the Texans offense so lame we need a new coach ? Holy smokes talk about some hard arse fans.

Marcus
10-17-2004, 11:50 AM
But the coaches built this team from scratch?!? If there is nothing wrong with our players where are the coaches props ? The Texans rank in the top 5 in offense what else do you want from the O-Coordinator ? I can understand If you were calling for the D-Coordinators job but why the O? Is the Texans offense so lame we need a new coach ? Holy smokes talk about some hard arse fans.

These 'fans" who don't like Capers' 'conservative' playcalling, want to see the entire game played like last weeks 2nd half. That's what they want to see. They want to see pass, pass, pass and deep. deep, deep. . . .

. . . and watch Carr get killed, killed, killed.

Marcus
10-17-2004, 03:23 PM
Bottle-of-bud, if you don't know what the difference is between conservative play-calling and balanced attack, that's your problem . . not Dom Capers.

jr0ck
10-17-2004, 05:22 PM
RUSHING (Plays-Average Yards) 145 - 3.5

PASSING (Comp-Att-Int-Avg) 96 - 151 - 4 - 9.11

these are the stats without today's game included. so only 6 more passing plays on the year isn't balanced? i thought i heard some inappropriate laughter......

wags
10-17-2004, 05:29 PM
RUSHING (Plays-Average Yards) 145 - 3.5

PASSING (Comp-Att-Int-Avg) 96 - 151 - 4 - 9.11

these are the stats without today's game included. so only 6 more passing plays on the year isn't balanced? i thought i heard some inappropriate laughter......

Those stats include 20 QB scrambles from Carr. Since Carr's scrambles are not called running plays, our coordinators have actually called pass 55.7% coming into today's game.

jr0ck
10-17-2004, 05:48 PM
Those stats include 20 QB scrambles from Carr. Since Carr's scrambles are not called running plays, our coordinators have actually called pass 55.7% coming into today's game.

good find, and too think the already tired rehtoric on this board is we need to "open up the offense" and "run and gun"... :yap ...how succesful was spurrier in the nfl? not to down our guys at all but i wish people would stop seeing players as victims...we would have more success if they executed on a more consistant basis......and it's really more frustrating to even type that because we're not the 0-6 'fins, we're the 3-3 texans!!

infantrycak
10-17-2004, 07:45 PM
Well if Capers won't change, then lets hope David can muster a comeback for us in the end. Since that's the only were are gonna win if Tennesse gets an early lead on us. Not really an "if" situation, Tennesee will get an early lead on us and we will be playing "catch up".

Oops wrong. Remind us again when the sky is falling?

dalemurphy
10-17-2004, 09:01 PM
I wish the run-n-shoot would be implemented.


Insert a synonymn for "not very smart"...

keyfro
10-17-2004, 10:13 PM
the thing i've seen the past few weeks is this...when we run the ball most of the time we're averaging only 2+ yds a carry...not counting the scrambles carr does where i think he's averaging something like 7+ yds a carry...and take today's game for example...davis isn't running well...i think today his avg was like just above 2...Well's was like 3.5 or something...personally if i was capers i would go with go with wells for the rest of the season til he shows he can't handle it...davis is having a horrible sophomore season

back to the topic...i've been one of the people beggin capers to throw it more often...mainly because you throw it to andre, armstrong, or gaffney we gain yards...lots of yards and it's fun to watch andre get rowdy on the field...but the main reason is because our runs aren't producing...if our backs not including carr were averaging 3.6 yds a carry it would be different...and for you stat savey guys out there look it up...a team that avg's 3.6 yds a carry win a lot more games than teams even with a run avg of 3.5yds...to me it seems that 3.6 is the cut off point...our backs need to find away to get to that point

Ibar_Harry
10-17-2004, 10:38 PM
I never though I could do this, but go over to the Chronicle Web site and play the preview of the Titans game by McLain. Can you believe it? He says what all of us are saying. The Texans can win the game if they don't play to conservatively and come out trying to score some points. Its really funny, when you think about it!!!!!!!!! He's actually beginning to warm up to Carr and AJ and perhaps the Texans. He still finds a lot of holes in the team, but when you compare what happened in the game to what he says you will find it interesting.

dalemurphy
10-17-2004, 11:34 PM
37 RUNS
26 PASSES

that's about 59% run to 41% pass... also, no trick plays, we didn't go for it on fourth down...

in many ways, it's the most conservative game we've played all season. IT seems that when the offense executes, a lot of ignorant fans call it aggressiveness. however, when the team doesn't execute, the coaches are being too conservative.

this game was the largest ratio of run/pass so far this season, by the way.

Erratic Assassin
10-18-2004, 12:39 AM
"the 3-4 isnt working, lets start working on a 4-3"

If we start using our top draft picks on defensive linemen we might be able to consider that move one day years from now.

Defensive linemen are harder to come by than linebackers. I think that's one of the reasons that a 3-4 makes sense for an expansion team.

I think we should start drafting linemen for depth right now but with the long-term goal of maybe considering changing our scheme to a 4-3 at some point down the line.

Erratic Assassin
10-18-2004, 12:42 AM
I wish the run-n-shoot would be implemented.

Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!

I would take this offense any day over the run-and-shoot! We need tight-ends and fullbacks!

jr0ck
10-18-2004, 02:04 AM
in many ways, it's the most conservative game we've played all season. IT seems that when the offense executes, a lot of ignorant fans call it aggressiveness. however, when the team doesn't execute, the coaches are being too conservative.



dalemurphy layin it down. i think that summizes about 60%+ of this board......

Grid
10-18-2004, 04:16 AM
Capers was coaching in the 3-4 before the 3-4 was popular in the league. (i know it used to be the most popular back in the day, but im saying before it reemerged)

We will stick with the 3-4 simply because we have some of the greatest minds coaching our team when it comes to the 3-4 defense.

TheOgre
10-18-2004, 09:48 AM
Ya the run-n-shoot was really good at controlling the clock. Just ask Frank Reich.

Corrosion
10-18-2004, 11:23 AM
I wish the run-n-shoot would be implemented.

First of all .... i didnt get to see the Texans sink the Titanac's this week . Therefore i cant say much about the playcalling This Week.

Forget the chuck and duck . Quarterbacks in the C&D (also known as the run & shoot) take a beating and I for one dont care to see how much Dave Ragone has improved , i like him just fine where he is ..... On The Bench.

All I would like to see from Palmer and Co. is a little more creative playcalling , not just running between the tackles and throwing to a streaking AJ or some simple play . The two plays i did hapen to catch in the highlights are examples of how to get the ball to your playmakers .... the quick passes to AJ both of which netted 13 yards and a first down , those were both basicly running plays In Space where a player like AJ can make people look Silly . More plays like those , screen passes , guards and tackels pulling on outside running plays .... more plays In Space where if the defender makes a mistake it is magnified ..... usually 6 points .

I deffinately dont want to see DC throw the ball 40+ times a game , no Tight end on the roster or anything remotely close to some silliness dreamed up by a guy named Mouse...... Mickey or otherwise. :boxing:

Newly
10-18-2004, 02:40 PM
Bottom line was we got the win. One of the reasons why was we ran the ball and controlled the clock(td drive of over 5 minutes in 4th quarter.) We would all like to see capers open up the playbook more, but in yesterdays game, the situation called for running the ball. give Jonathan Wells and the O-line credit for taking control of the game. (along with AJ for taking safe passes and abusing Samari Rolle)

Marcus
10-18-2004, 05:59 PM
IT seems that when the offense executes, a lot of ignorant fans call it aggressiveness. however, when the team doesn't execute, the coaches are being too conservative.

I like that so much, I'm going to start using it as my signature. If I were to describe the very nature of this board in a nutshell . . this would be perfect.

Mistril48
10-18-2004, 10:34 PM
Peter King's reply to the title of this tread ...

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2004/writers/peter_king/10/18/mmqb.owens/index.html

Coach of the Week

Houston coach Dom Capers. Texans have won three of four since starting 0-2, including yesterday's big win in Nashville. What a day for the Texans' defense -- four picks off Steve McNair, and Houston held him under 50 percent passing. Capers runs such a steady ship, his team never gets rattled.

Corrosion
10-18-2004, 11:30 PM
I wonder if some people who reply actually read the posts or just the title :cool:

dalemurphy
10-19-2004, 05:30 PM
Capers was coaching in the 3-4 before the 3-4 was popular in the league. (i know it used to be the most popular back in the day, but im saying before it reemerged)

We will stick with the 3-4 simply because we have some of the greatest minds coaching our team when it comes to the 3-4 defense.

Not only that, but Capers had a lot more to do with the invention of the zone blitz than Al Gore had to do with the invention of the internet!