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Texan in Japan
02-14-2007, 04:27 PM
http://www.aolsportsblog.com/2007/02/14/carr-to-vikings/

Speculation on David going to the Vikes for a 4th round pick. I know some of you would jump on this, but I wouldn't.

HoustonFrog
02-14-2007, 04:29 PM
I'd take a 4th and throw a party. You aren't going to get higher than that.

texans83
02-14-2007, 04:30 PM
I would wait and see what else comes up, then if nothing was to happen then I would take it.

Texan in Japan
02-14-2007, 04:31 PM
KFFL reports that the team would be willing to trade Carr for a second-to-sixth round pick, creating the strictest of parameters for a deal. Meanwhile, the St. Paul Pioneer Press is reporting that the Vikings and Texans have discussed the possibility of Carr coming to Minnesota for a fourth-rounder.

This is an interesting piece to the article...2nd to 6th rd pick? If those are the parameters we're in trouble!

HeartofHouston
02-14-2007, 04:33 PM
personally I would be looking for a 3rd rounder..

texans83
02-14-2007, 04:34 PM
KFFL reports that the team would be willing to trade Carr for a second-to-sixth round pick, creating the strictest of parameters for a deal. Meanwhile, the St. Paul Pioneer Press is reporting that the Vikings and Texans have discussed the possibility of Carr coming to Minnesota for a fourth-rounder.

This is an interesting piece to the article...2nd to 6th rd pick? If those are the parameters we're in trouble!

For sure, Man I hope that isent Capers doing all of the talking for us

4Texans
02-14-2007, 04:35 PM
I would take a 4th, but I wouldn't do it too soon. If they are really targeting Plummer, we don't want Denver to raise the stakes for him. (Of course, I hope they release Plummer then we sign him) If we get rid of Carr too early, then we're in a position of needing a veteran starter and may have to give up a draft choice.

texans83
02-14-2007, 04:38 PM
I agree, if we trade Carr too soon then we will have to give up what we got for him to Denver if that is the direction they want to go, which I think it is. Im still not sold on the idea of plummer but I guess only time will tell.

Double Barrel
02-14-2007, 04:38 PM
I'm not sure how much faith I put into a random blog...but you never know I guess.

texans83
02-14-2007, 04:39 PM
I'm not sure how much faith I put into a random blog...but you never know I guess.

Well it is the offseason and rumors are the only thing that keeps us fans going so..

TexanSam
02-14-2007, 04:42 PM
personally I would be looking for a 3rd rounder..

I don't think there's any possibility that we get a 3rd for Carr. Joey Harrington was traded for a 6th rounder last year...Carr isn't much better.

Mr. White
02-14-2007, 04:42 PM
I'm not sure how much faith I put into a random blog...but you never know I guess.

The blog got this info from a St. Paul paper (http://www.twincities.com/mld/pioneerpress/16693302.htm).

Rumors persist that the Vikings could trade with the Houston Texans for quarterback David Carr, 27, who might cost just a fourth-round draft pick.

El Tejano
02-14-2007, 04:42 PM
I'm smelling a 3 team deal here.

HoustonFrog
02-14-2007, 04:44 PM
personally I would be looking for a 3rd rounder..

I originally thought a 3rd but I really believe that to be too rich for teams who will have the same questions about Carr that the Texans do. A 4th is very reasonable.

Texan in Japan
02-14-2007, 04:51 PM
I'm torn on trading or keeping Carr. I look at his physical gifts and see the perfect franchise QB. Then I watch games and see a guy that our team probably ruined by throwing him to the wolves.

I wonder what he could do w/ AD at RB, a better OL and another year w/ Kubes. I worry that we'll trade him and he'll become a Plunkett or Gannon for someone else and we'll be stuck w/ an older vet who's no better.

Being stationed in Germany I had to buy the games over the internet. Carr looked VERY shaky at times and it was clear Kubes minimized his role towards the end of the year. I was able to listen to one of Carr's post game reports and his word's after loss to Titans did not inspire or exude confidence or leadership.

Yet despite these shortfalls, I don't see a better replacement in this draft or FA market for our situation. I wouldn't mind drafting a QB like Mich St Drew Stanton in 3rd, but if that occured I'd want at least a 3rd in return for Carr.

SESupergenius
02-14-2007, 04:54 PM
Aside from your views on whether you like David Carr or not, this is just a thread on what you'd like to get in return IF it DID happen. Being that the case, I would think that anything better than a 3rd round would be great, but anything worse than a 3rd would not be a good deal for us.

Eyeguy
02-14-2007, 05:06 PM
I have a feeling that what ever we get for Carr, Denver will bet asking the same thing for Plummer.
I don't think they will get it, but if they keep Plummer on the roster long enough they might get one round lower.

Texan in Japan
02-14-2007, 05:12 PM
Aside from your views on whether you like David Carr or not, this is just a thread on what you'd like to get in return IF it DID happen. Being that the case, I would think that anything better than a 3rd round would be great, but anything worse than a 3rd would not be a good deal for us.

Agreed. I think he's shown more than Joey Harrington and most teams have to admire his athletic ability and his durability. For instance, GB decides that DC could replace Favre. They trade a #3 and sit David for a year and let him watch Brett. Although GB overachieved a bit this year, with another solid draft or two they could be play-off team if they have a solid QB.

Raiders would also be an excellent candidate given Davis rep for taking retreads and making them SB QBs.

HoustonFrog
02-14-2007, 05:17 PM
Agreed. I think he's shown more than Joey Harrington and most teams have to admire his athletic ability and his durability. For instance, GB decides that DC could replace Favre. They trade a #3 and sit David for a year and let him watch Brett. Although GB overachieved a bit this year, with another solid draft or two they could be play-off team if they have a solid QB.

Raiders would also be an excellent candidate given Davis rep for taking retreads and making them SB QBs.

GB wouldn't do it when they still have a guy backing up Favre..Rodgers..that hasn't even gotten a chance.

Again, Carr has shown nothing but the ability to take a hit. Teams won't give up a 3rd unless they are desperate to make a move or have extra picks. He won't be an upgrade over most guys up there and will have to compete.

Texan in Japan
02-14-2007, 05:21 PM
In fact, I could see Davis trading for Carr and then drafting AD or Calvin Johnson w/ #1 pick. He could still trade Moss and use that pick for more horsepower also.

Texian
02-14-2007, 05:21 PM
Trade Carr for a 5th RD pick conditional on it becoming a 2nd RD pick if he plays in 50% of the games.

Texan in Japan
02-14-2007, 05:22 PM
GB wouldn't do it when they still have a guy backing up Favre..Rodgers..that hasn't even gotten a chance.

Again, Carr has shown nothing but the ability to take a hit. Teams won't give up a 3rd unless they are desperate to make a move or have extra picks. He won't be an upgrade over most guys up there and will have to compete.

It appears from some of what I've read that GB is not sold on Rodgers has the heir apparent.

Honoring Earl 34
02-14-2007, 05:23 PM
I think a 3rd is'nt that bad to take a flier on a former first overall pick . Drew Henson brought that .

I think the Lions screwed up the Harrington deal ... go figure .

Texan in Japan
02-14-2007, 05:24 PM
Trade Carr for a 5th RD pick conditional on it becoming a 2nd RD pick if he plays in 50% of the games.

I like that kind of deal, but would at least like maybe a 6th this year and the continency pick in '08.

Texan in Japan
02-14-2007, 05:25 PM
I think a 3rd is'nt that bad to take a flier on a former first overall pick . Drew Henson brought that .

I think the Lions screwed up the Harrington deal ... go figure .

Good point! Charley did make a nice deal out of Henson.

Ole Miss Texan
02-14-2007, 05:34 PM
To give yall an idea about how much draft picks are worth according to the chart....theres a huge difference between a 3rd and a 4th.

Vikes 3rd= 235 pts
Vikes 4th= 88pts

i was hoping maybe we give them Carr and our 4th for their third. or Carr and our 3rd for their 2nd. but that looks very unreasonable from their end. i see teams giving us their 4th for carr..

if we can get anyone's 3rd for him it'd be amazing.

GP
02-15-2007, 02:33 AM
It appears from some of what I've read that GB is not sold on Rodgers has the heir apparent.

Yeah, I see the same thing.

I watched some preseason games with Rodgers...and he was doing awful against 3rd string defenses. The commentators said that it didn't bode well at all for Rodgers. You could see the whole team just sort of go into a depression when he took the field and couldn't do anything at all.

Honoring Earl 34
02-15-2007, 07:00 AM
This is really great.. the carr haters are having a field day with this. I find it amusing that the affect it will have on the team in their minds is nothing but a huge up side. Of course, the homer's have too be wrong. After all it's all David's fault that Texans haven't been a winning team. Example; a friend of mine from Detroit, wanted to see Carr go... but when he found out one new home might be the Vikings, whoa he soon realized that David would playing his Lions twice a year.. MMmm David with a stronger team, and able to have time to look down field with his arm is not so palatable to him now. Of course with Jags, we would have to face him twice a year. But surely with our O-line and Plummer's throwing record it will be a sure thing. LMAO Being a betting man, My money will go on Carr.. showing that he does have the skills, and heart of a outstanding QB. Along with a stronger offense, it sounds like a good move for him.. not us Texan fans.

If he's got these attributes maybe we can get a first round pick .

HJam72
02-15-2007, 09:06 AM
Aside from your views on whether you like David Carr or not, this is just a thread on what you'd like to get in return IF it DID happen.

OK. IF it DID happen, I'd gladly take....Vince Young. :jk:

HOU-TEX
02-15-2007, 11:06 AM
This is really great.. the carr haters are having a field day with this. I find it amusing that the affect it will have on the team in their minds is nothing but a huge up side. Of course, the homer's have too be wrong. After all it's all David's fault that Texans haven't been a winning team. Example; a friend of mine from Detroit, wanted to see Carr go... but when he found out one new home might be the Vikings, whoa he soon realized that David would playing his Lions twice a year.. MMmm David with a stronger team, and able to have time to look down field with his arm is not so palatable to him now. Of course with Jags, we would have to face him twice a year. But surely with our O-line and Plummer's throwing record it will be a sure thing. LMAO Being a betting man, My money will go on Carr.. showing that he does have the skills, and heart of a outstanding QB. Along with a stronger offense, it sounds like a good move for him.. not us Texan fans.

He very well may have all the attributes you've mentioned. That said, are the Texans supposed to go year after year waiting for him to display these talents? He needs a change of scenery. Many QBs have flourished after being traded to a different team. :winky:

real
02-15-2007, 11:10 AM
If Carr went to the Vikings, I don't think he'd win the job, and if he did I don't think he'd have it for that long.

kcwilson
02-15-2007, 12:24 PM
In fact, I could see Davis trading for Carr and then drafting AD or Calvin Johnson w/ #1 pick. He could still trade Moss and use that pick for more horsepower also.

I totally agree with your thoughts. They could bring in Carr, upgrade either the RB situation, or WR spot, or probably like most would like, draft Joe Thomas #1 and make him your franchise LT for a few years... then they could move Robert Gallery back inside to Guard, his natural position and hope that he turns around his career.

Surely they can get a draft pick of sorts for Moss AND/OR Porter and start piling up picks, plus with Moss off the cap figure, they can be a bit active in getting some other talent.

The thing about the Raiders, is that their defense is just about there... they can be very tough, but their offense is in shambles.

SamuraiSword
02-15-2007, 12:36 PM
If he's got these attributes maybe we can get a first round pick .

I agree with you on that one. We should only get a first round pick for car. :yes:

hey Al Davis I hear don't like drafting quarterbacks in the first round. I personally think this might work......

beerlover
02-15-2007, 12:51 PM
I thought the report stated the Vikings where offering a 4th rd. pick. not sure on cap hit or how much of the contract the Texans would have to eat, but the 4th rd. pick for a former #1 overall pick seems like a terrible deal for the Texans. his value is worth much more even if he is just a back-up to Sage, forget about the Money (the brain trust & McNair have already signed off on the deal).

Best case for Houston is they keep Carr & rebuild his value not only to the team but potential new teams then draft a QB Kubiaks wants to groom, then when the timing is more in our favor make a trade & y'all who know me that I would love more draft picks, but this deal would reek :cowboy1:

ATX
02-15-2007, 03:23 PM
Carr for the Vikes 5th round pick and switch draft spots in the 1st and 2nd rounds?

Double Barrel
02-15-2007, 05:07 PM
If he's got these attributes maybe we can get a first round pick .

And if we don't get a first round pick, it's only because every NFL team must have Carr-haters in their front offices. :shades:

real
02-15-2007, 05:11 PM
If Carr goes the the vikings it will be as a back-up.

HoustonFrog
02-15-2007, 05:14 PM
And if we don't get a first round pick, it's only because every NFL team must have Carr-haters in their front offices. :shades:

LOL..that is great. :ok:

Ole Miss Texan
02-15-2007, 07:25 PM
Carr for the Vikes 5th round pick and switch draft spots in the 1st and 2nd rounds?

That'd be great if they traded with Cleveland to try and get CJ...and then we get their pick at like #3, and then trade the rights away to draft CJ and get a whole lotta picks.

cook56
02-15-2007, 07:35 PM
I think a 3rd round pick would be ideal for us. But, would not accept anything less than a 4th. Maybe take a 4th and make it a conditional pick based on playing time etc.. that could cause it to become a 3rd.

old football fan
02-15-2007, 08:53 PM
If Carr goes the the vikings it will be as a back-up.

They will dump Johnson and there rookie Jackson? isn't ready to lead hem.

Texan in Japan
02-15-2007, 11:34 PM
Carr for the Vikes 5th round pick and switch draft spots in the 1st and 2nd rounds?

We'd loose a spot in 2nd round.

GoHornsGo
02-16-2007, 12:17 AM
I am wondering if this rumor is really about the Texans swapping their first rounder with the Vikes plus the Vikes' 4th rounder for Carr. They move up a spot plus get an extra pick.

real
02-16-2007, 09:38 AM
They will dump Johnson and there rookie Jackson? isn't ready to lead hem.


Jackson is ten times better than Carr.....right now.

dirty steve
02-16-2007, 09:58 AM
all this BS cracks me up. everybody wants Carr to take the first train out, but some are "i wouldnt take less than a 2, i ABSOLUTELY wouldnt take less than a 3...a 4 is rock bottom value for DC." you people hate on him all the time, and now your sitting trying to drum up value for him. joey harrington was traded for a 5TH ROUND PICK. i'd be surprised if they get a conditional 4th.

New_Texans
02-16-2007, 02:35 PM
keep carr...trade down if AP is gone in the draft by pick 8 and pick up more valueable picks that way.

old football fan
02-16-2007, 04:21 PM
Jackson is ten times better than Carr.....right now.

What have you been smoking?

old football fan
02-16-2007, 04:24 PM
Jackson is ten times better than Carr.....right now.

Kids say the darnest things.

americastayawayfrommywomb
02-16-2007, 04:55 PM
I can't see this trade happening now but I could see something happening on the day of the draft. I think the Vikes might take their chances in free agency first and move down the price for Carr. But if the Bucs throw their hat in the ring for Carr, all bets are off.

ATX
02-16-2007, 06:08 PM
We'd loose a spot in 2nd round.

I guess I didn't look, but do they pick after us in the 2nd?

thunderkyss
02-16-2007, 06:57 PM
What have you been smoking?

I agree. I think xtru has been hitting the 'ole bong.

2x better, 3x maybe. But there is no way he is 10x better. No way.

Texan in Japan
02-16-2007, 07:26 PM
I guess I didn't look, but do they pick after us in the 2nd?

We pick 39 and they pick 41.

http://www.gbnreport.com/full2007draftorder.html

old football fan
02-16-2007, 10:24 PM
I just wish the Texans would do SOMETHING with Carr so all of this stupid talk about him would end.

edo783
02-16-2007, 10:34 PM
I just wish the Texans would do SOMETHING with Carr so all of this stupid talk about him would end.

Ahhh, at least one wise man on the board.

aj.
02-16-2007, 10:36 PM
And about a year from now, Vikings fans may be saying "once we get some help on the right side of the OL, Carr will be just fine." Birk, Hutchinson, and McKinnie can't do it all you know... "and Taylor really needs to improve his blitz pickup..."

Texan in Japan
02-18-2007, 05:35 PM
Saw this on other Texans' site and spent a little time reading what the Vike's fans would think of Carr coming there way. Interesting to see their perspectives...

http://www.purplepride.org/index.php?option=com_smf&Itemid=149&topic=31532.0

TwinSisters
02-20-2007, 01:56 AM
The Pacifist Viking on Carr Love

http://pacifistviking.blogspot.com/

suckers.

and I concur, the Viking community that I know of... also loves him.

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The Pacifist Viking likes to compare great Poets to players.

PapaL
02-20-2007, 03:55 PM
So today I met a guy who is a diehard Vikings fan. I casually mentioned this whole trade scenario and he was really into it. If the price was right. He said, in his opinon, that TJ (Tavaris Jackson) is very raw and not ready to led a team. He might be ready in a couple of years. So there might be some truth to this rumor. I didn't take him to be a guy who trolls MBs looking for any gossip.

real
02-20-2007, 05:28 PM
So today I met a guy who is a diehard Vikings fan. I casually mentioned this whole trade scenario and he was really into it. If the price was right. He said, in his opinon, that TJ (Tavaris Jackson) is very raw and not ready to led a team. He might be ready in a couple of years. So there might be some truth to this rumor. I didn't take him to be a guy who trolls MBs looking for any gossip.

If we trade Carr to the Vikinings we need to get Tavaris Jackson from them....The kid is raw, but I think he's going to be special. In fact I don't even think Carr is better than him right now.

thunderkyss
02-20-2007, 08:28 PM
If we trade Carr to the Vikinings we need to get Tavaris Jackson from them....The kid is raw, but I think he's going to be special. In fact I don't even think Carr is better than him right now.

Reading that thread from the Vikings board, there were several guys who believe that TJ is their future, but isn't ready to lead the team. They are willing to just compete for another year or two, and they think Carr will do that for them, with a hint of upside.

Almost to a Tee, they all agreed that they'd have to do something about that $5mil+ salary.

It makes sense on their part, and I hope it does work out for them.

I'd also like to get Smoot as part of the deal.



But let me ask you guys this. How would you feel if David becomes a Pro Bowler in Minnesota??

Mr. White
02-20-2007, 08:35 PM
But let me ask you guys this. How would you feel if David becomes a Pro Bowler in Minnesota??

I could honestly say that I'd be glad for him. I don't think that he could do it here.

The Pencil Neck
02-20-2007, 08:38 PM
But let me ask you guys this. How would you feel if David becomes a Pro Bowler in Minnesota??

Well, if the options that he stays here and continues to play bad or he goes to Minnesota and plays well, then I hope he goes to Minnesota and plays well.

I think it's more often the case that a guy plays well for a team, goes to another team and crashes than a guy plays poorly for a team, then goes to another team and flourishes. It happens but not very often.

TwinSisters
02-20-2007, 08:53 PM
But let me ask you guys this. How would you feel if David becomes a Pro Bowler in Minnesota??

well if no Pro Bowls is worth 5 years of starting, then one should be worth 10.

That means he would have 5 years in the scorching heat and ten in the land of a thousand frozen lakes.

That would be worth it to me for having to watch the Bush Bowl last year. EDIT two seasons ago

HOWEVER if Smoot is part of the deal. All bets are off. I don't have a problem with how strange you want to get in your bedroom, but the NFL is not the place for lame public antics. Mooning is a fine time honoured tradition... instruments in the act? No.

real
02-21-2007, 09:54 AM
Reading that thread from the Vikings board, there were several guys who believe that TJ is their future, but isn't ready to lead the team. They are willing to just compete for another year or two, and they think Carr will do that for them, with a hint of upside.

If they are crazy enough to want Carr, they may be crazy enough to trade Jackson.

Personally I don't think this is anymore than wishful thinking by a few fans. I doubt the viking mangement would consider it. In a way they'd be stiffling the growth of their young player, who has a chance, IMO, to be special. But if they are interested, we should trade Carr for Jackson and a 5th.



But let me ask you guys this. How would you feel if David becomes a Pro Bowler in Minnesota??


I would be happy for him as a person. I wouldn't regret anything, because I don't think he will reach those heights here in Houston.

Kaiser Toro
02-21-2007, 10:02 AM
But let me ask you guys this. How would you feel if David becomes a Pro Bowler in Minnesota??

It would be more system than Carr if that happened. He has shown over five years that he can not make others around him better over the course of four quarters. Ironically Carr's contract is what limits him as the team cannot get those needed players to make him into the great player that he potentially is. If he was paid in the 2-3m range then the team could acquire the necessary players. He is a scared player and scared players need to be moved for the betterment of both parties.