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Ole Miss Texan
02-11-2007, 10:34 PM
Why is LaRon Landry's stock falling so much?

I'll go out on a limb and say that the majority of people still see him and Nelson as the two best safeties in the draft.

I know Reggie Nelson's stock has really increased a lot over this past year and past 3 months even... he could put up a great showing at the combine too. Most people also say that nelson has more upside to him than landry.

I don't really want this to turn into a nelson vs. landry thread. but let's leave it to landry specifically... both safeties could go around 10..or even higher...it doesn't matter...but i've seen Landry sliding on a lot more mocks recently.

Why is landry starting to slide? He was my favorite pick from the very beginning before the 2006 season even started. He seems to have great leadership qualities and I think he seems like a Texan player.

Again I see him sliding on a lot of mocks. Where do y'all think he'll go? Would you be upset if we selected him at #8? I would prefer a trade down this year to pick up a 3rd. that would mean we'd only move down a few slots...and maybe pick Landry up...depending on what bpa and who's on the board.

mexican_texan
02-11-2007, 10:34 PM
He had a bad bowl game. Well, not bad, per sť, but he didn't perform like a top ten pick.

Ole Miss Texan
02-11-2007, 10:50 PM
I guess I made this a little prematurely. I just looked at a lot of mocks..and most have him going 14 to Carolina...I guess last week he seemed to be going past that more than i'm seeing now...funny how things change so quickly.

I'll agree his bowl game wasn't that impressive...but I really didn't think it hurt him too much at all. I guess a lot of guys are really coming on strong that people are noticing..like Jamaal Anderson and Amobi Okoye, levi brown even..

I think if AP isn't there when we pick...I'd hope Bradie Quinn is and Carolina really want's to trade up for him. our 8 (1400pts) for their 14 (1100) and 3rd rd (200) plus their 2008 3rd rder. Or even play around some...take their 2nd but give them our 4th and 5th? i could probably do this all day but at least get a good/ fair deal. Hopefully they'd give us a good one because they'd be afraid Miami would take Quinn.

Then we could take Landry hopefully w/ that pick.

V Man
02-11-2007, 10:56 PM
He had a bad bowl game. Well, not bad, per sť, but he didn't perform like a top ten pick.

But you could say that for Nelson as well. I think he is falling kinda like Ryans fell last year. He is not flashy enough. He doesn't make the flahy play or may not up the fastest times at the combine or workouts, but instead he just gets the job done. And unfortunately that isn't media friendly, they just want flash. Now don't get me wrong, I am not saying that Nelson isn't a great player, because he is. But he is more flashy than Landry.

TexanSam
02-11-2007, 10:59 PM
I don't like the way Nelson tackles.

htownfoozball
02-12-2007, 12:12 AM
man...we could have a killer secondary if we take

1-laron landry FS
2-chris houston CB
3-Best OT Available
4-brandon jackson RB
5-clifton ryan DT

TexansCanes
02-12-2007, 12:14 AM
i think it was because he wasn't at the senior bowl, a lot of players improved their stock, instead he decided to opt out. i don't know if he is really falling though, in most mocks i still see him in the top 15.

Ole Miss Texan
02-12-2007, 12:34 AM
Yea I can definitely see how you say he's not 'flashy'... i like that though..he gets the job done like demeco does...i see them being very similar which makes me want him even more. i think there is zero chance landry falls to us in the 2nd like demeco did...

i like his style of play, he just seems like a quality pick up that would be a Huge improvement in pass coverage and still a very good tackler...how would yall rate landry's tackling/ rush defense compared to cc's?

man oh man having him and chris houston back there would be phenominal. I'm really starting to get back in my landry mood.

right now i think my 2 favs in the 1st two rds are

1.Adrian Peterson/Laron Landry
2.Ryan Kalil/ Chris Houston (or aaron ross?)

royce1054
02-12-2007, 01:19 AM
Well one reason i have heard that he might slip past the Texans is bc he is a SS and Nelson is a FS. Earl has been decent but Brown is not a FS and it showed. Plus from what i have been hearing in recent talks about the Lions from Lions fans on other forums they are sayin its a good possibility they will take Peterson at the #2 pick. So i look at what might be available for us thinking that Detriot or Cleveland might take AP. Honestly i would be happy with either of them. I am a little higher on Landry than Nelson by talent. Something about taking a FS in the 1st round so high bothers me.

LORK 88
02-12-2007, 01:48 AM
If Detroit picks Peterson, they should demand Millen's head. When you spend 3 high picks on RBs (1st on Jones in '04, 3rd on Calhoun in '06, and 1st on Peterson in '07) especially considering the amount of money Peterson will demand, that is horrible on the front office's part. Especially considering you can only start 1 RB and split so many carries between them. Poor Detroit, such a mess . . .

amazingandre
02-12-2007, 06:31 AM
it is bad but there rb is out for half the seaoson next year.....i like landry more, he hits soooooo hard i wish we had him to blitz manning and just lay huge smacks on wayne and harrison as they come across the middle.....

Silver Oak
02-12-2007, 07:21 AM
Can someone help me out here? Who is the defensive "qb" on the field for the Texans? Is it the FS or one of the LB's?

kastofsna
02-12-2007, 07:25 AM
his stock hasn't fallen at all. he had a good Sugar Bowl and he had an excellent week at the Senior Bowl.

Exithios
02-12-2007, 07:40 AM
Can someone help me out here? Who is the defensive "qb" on the field for the Texans? Is it the FS or one of the LB's?

I beleive it is the Mike (Middle) line backer. So it would be DeMeco calling the plays in the defensive huddle. Hope that answers your question.

beerlover
02-12-2007, 07:54 AM
his stock hasn't fallen at all. he had a good Sugar Bowl and he had an excellent week at the Senior Bowl.

Landry did not compete in the Senior Bowl, allowing Meriweather to not only shine @ FS but to play some CB when Ross got shaken up.

kastofsna
02-12-2007, 08:16 AM
Landry did not compete in the Senior Bowl, allowing Meriweather to not only shine @ FS but to play some CB when Ross got shaken up.
haha wow, who was i thinking of...

real
02-12-2007, 08:22 AM
Landry's stock has fallen because Nelson's has risen....simple as that....

Just like last year. Leinarts stock fell because VY's rose.

And Brady Quinn. His stock took a hit when Jamarcus Russel came on the scene.

It happens every year.

kastofsna
02-12-2007, 08:39 AM
not really, landry is still the #1 safety on pretty much everyone's boards (everyone that matters, anyway).

real
02-12-2007, 08:49 AM
not really, landry is still the #1 safety on pretty much everyone's boards (everyone that matters, anyway).

Matt Leinart was Number one on every one's baord too.

And Brady Quinn is still the number one QB on everyone's baord that matters.

kastofsna
02-12-2007, 09:00 AM
which is why quinn will be the first quarterback drafted, and landry will be the first safety drafted.

Texian
02-12-2007, 09:38 AM
His stock may appear like it has fallen due to the number of JRs that declared. Before they declared Landry was in the top 10 after he is 10-15.

real
02-12-2007, 09:54 AM
His stock may appear like it has fallen due to the number of JRs that declared. Before they declared Landry was in the top 10 after he is 10-15.

pretty much.

As players rise, they lessen the attention surrounding other players.

yourfavoritetexan42
02-12-2007, 09:58 AM
He is a decent coverage safety, and is average against the run. He isn't that special of a player, I was big on him for a while... until watching him play a few games, I just didn't really see a play maker in him. Tom Zbikowski I think made more plays than he did. Landry was just overblown because he was on a defense with a great pass rush, so he took all the benefits from that.

real
02-12-2007, 10:07 AM
He is a decent coverage safety, and is average against the run. He isn't that special of a player, I was big on him for a while... until watching him play a few games, I just didn't really see a play maker in him. Tom Zbikowski I think made more plays than he did. Landry was just overblown because he was on a defense with a great pass rush, so he took all the benefits from that.

I've watched Landry play too, and I wasn't really impressed. He didn't really do anything that made him stand out. I think he's going to be a solid pro, and well worth 13-20 pick. I just don't see him as the type of player that we should be looking at with the eighth pick. I wouldn't be opposed to a trade down to get him, but with the eight pick we need a more explosive talent with game changing capability.

Silver Oak
02-12-2007, 11:53 AM
I beleive it is the Mike (Middle) line backer. So it would be DeMeco calling the plays in the defensive huddle. Hope that answers your question.


Thanks. Was just wondering if that would influence the decision if we do draft safety.

Don't think we want a Wonderlic failure to be calling the plays. :stirpot:

Mr teX
02-12-2007, 03:54 PM
not really, landry is still the #1 safety on pretty much everyone's boards (everyone that matters, anyway).

Yeah i was watching something on the NFL network & they had him rated as the #1 DB/secondary player I don't remember if it was either or. Nelson was a little further down the list.idonno:

DMars87
02-12-2007, 04:15 PM
so i have seen people reporting it both ways... but is Landry considered more of a SS or FS

Ole Miss Texan
02-12-2007, 04:18 PM
so i have seen people reporting it both ways... but is Landry considered more of a SS or FS

That's news to me. I know a lot of people are saying Michael Griffin is more of a SS than FS, but I havn't heard that about landry. I know he plays the run very well and blitzes a lot. but didn't know he'd be considered a FS....last thing we need is another SS

amazingandre
02-12-2007, 04:45 PM
http://condraft.com/rankings/position-ranks/

Here is an excellent page that shows all positions. Click on the one you want and it has them listed 1-10...plus some sleepers. i think it is only seniors though....sry

V Man
02-12-2007, 05:05 PM
That's news to me. I know a lot of people are saying Michael Griffin is more of a SS than FS, but I havn't heard that about landry.

That is what I was thinking. I have never heard of him listed as a SS, always a FS.

The Pencil Neck
02-12-2007, 05:06 PM
http://condraft.com/rankings/position-ranks/

Here is an excellent page that shows all positions. Click on the one you want and it has them listed 1-10...plus some sleepers. i think it is only seniors though....sry

It can't be ONLY seniors because it's got Jamarcus Russell (sp) in there.

bah007
02-12-2007, 05:11 PM
That's news to me. I know a lot of people are saying Michael Griffin is more of a SS than FS, but I havn't heard that about landry. I know he plays the run very well and blitzes a lot. but didn't know he'd be considered a FS....last thing we need is another SS

Looks like Griffin, Nelson, Landry, & Meriweather are all listed as FS in the website posted.

Ole Miss Texan
02-12-2007, 06:46 PM
http://condraft.com/rankings/position-ranks/

Here is an excellent page that shows all positions. Click on the one you want and it has them listed 1-10...plus some sleepers. i think it is only seniors though....sry

awesome, thanks a lot...this will help me look at guys.

TexansSeminole
02-12-2007, 07:02 PM
which is why quinn will be the first quarterback drafted, and landry will be the first safety drafted.

I don't know about the quarterback but I agree that Landry will be the first safety taken.

I think Landry has been the number one since the season ended. His pedigree is unmatched at the safety position in this year's draft. 40 times and interviews will decide who is selected first but I think it will be LaRon.

Texan_Aggie222
02-12-2007, 07:47 PM
It all depends on the point of veiw.

If you want a saftey that is going to make the big play then is Nelson. He is always around the ball, but is hit or miss nearly half the time. He can change the momentum of the football game on one play, he can make the INT and return it for a TD or he can bluff on the 70 yard TD pass by taking a wrong angle or missing the tackle.

Landry is the kind of saftey that is very solid fundamentally. He follows the rules by not allowing the big play and letting nothing get behind him. He won't ever lead the leage in INTs or be on any Sportcenter Top 10s, but he will make the secondary one of the strongest in the league.

It all is just a matter of opinion. Talk to me after the combine and then we will discuss this.

TexansSeminole
02-12-2007, 07:51 PM
It all depends on the point of veiw.

If you want a saftey that is going to make the big play then is Nelson. He is always around the ball, but is hit or miss nearly half the time. He can change the momentum of the football game on one play, he can make the INT and return it for a TD or he can bluff on the 70 yard TD pass by taking a wrong angle or missing the tackle.

Landry is the kind of saftey that is very solid fundamentally. He follows the rules by not allowing the big play and letting nothing get behind him. He won't ever lead the leage in INTs or be on any Sportcenter Top 10s, but he will make the secondary one of the strongest in the league.

It all is just a matter of opinion. Talk to me after the combine and then we will discuss this.

I wouldn't say that it is like that. Not as black and white as you put it. Your right that those two are better at those respecting skills than the other.

Smokedawg
02-12-2007, 08:34 PM
He is a decent coverage safety, and is average against the run. He isn't that special of a player, I was big on him for a while... until watching him play a few games, I just didn't really see a play maker in him. Tom Zbikowski I think made more plays than he did. Landry was just overblown because he was on a defense with a great pass rush, so he took all the benefits from that.

Ok. In the Sugar Bowl Laron did do good, he was challenged much. and he is great in coverage, he doesnt allow big plays, He is awesome against the run. He has a nose for the ball he is always around it. He has great speed too, 2 years ago in the Peach Bowl Devin Hester broke free on an end-around play and Laron caught up to him and made the tackle.

Just watched him in this vid.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bip9KlMxd04

keyfro
02-12-2007, 09:49 PM
personally i don't think laron's stock has fallen...i think the reason you dont' hear guys talk about him as much is because he didn't play in the senior bowl...in which he just like joe thomas really didn't have to...they are the best player at their position senior-wise...and the only player who can leap frog landry is reggie nelson a junior who couldn't play either...so why risk the injury...all landry has to do is run a decent 40 time...say 4.5 flat...jump a decent vertical say 38''...and interview well and he'll be drafted in the top half of the first round which is where he should be drafted...he's not a top ten talent right now...if he runs something unexpected like a 4.4 flat 40 and jumps 42'' then he'll go higher into the top ten

TexansSeminole
02-12-2007, 11:18 PM
personally i don't think laron's stock has fallen...i think the reason you dont' hear guys talk about him as much is because he didn't play in the senior bowl...in which he just like joe thomas really didn't have to...they are the best player at their position senior-wise...and the only player who can leap frog landry is reggie nelson a junior who couldn't play either...so why risk the injury...all landry has to do is run a decent 40 time...say 4.5 flat...jump a decent vertical say 38''...and interview well and he'll be drafted in the top half of the first round which is where he should be drafted...he's not a top ten talent right now...if he runs something unexpected like a 4.4 flat 40 and jumps 42'' then he'll go higher into the top ten

I think he has the ability and he seems to be fast. I suspect he runs a 4.45 and jumps at 41 inches.

Ole Miss Texan
02-12-2007, 11:56 PM
I kinda hope he post some awesome numbers that will warrant a #8 overall pick. Something so fans and the media would be like that's pretty high for a Safety to go but he's shown some major upside, great college career, and is very fast, jumps high yadda yadda yadda...houston's secondary is in shambles and Landry will help them out tremendously and let dunta shine....great pick for houston..a team that has a lot of holes.

real
02-13-2007, 08:34 AM
I don't know about the quarterback but I agree that Landry will be the first safety taken.

I think Landry has been the number one since the season ended. His pedigree is unmatched at the safety position in this year's draft. 40 times and interviews will decide who is selected first but I think it will be LaRon.

I won't say that it won't be Laron, but every year players shoot up the charts...

It shouldn't be too big a shock if he's not the first safety taken.

kastofsna
02-13-2007, 12:15 PM
He is a decent coverage safety, and is average against the run. He isn't that special of a player, I was big on him for a while... until watching him play a few games, I just didn't really see a play maker in him. Tom Zbikowski I think made more plays than he did. Landry was just overblown because he was on a defense with a great pass rush, so he took all the benefits from that.
nonsense. he's excellent against the run, and even better in coverage, as evidenced by the sugar bowl, where he ONLY dropped back in coverage to eliminate notre dame's crappy receivers from being any sort of threat at all. he shut them down. they let darius walker run on them because they knew notre dame wasn't going to do a damn thing if brady quinn wasn't able to find open receivers. zbikowski made more plays because he's the ONLY good player on that defense.

Champ
02-13-2007, 03:48 PM
All LaRon Landry did was start off his career by leading his team in tackles the year they won a National Title as a freshman, yeah he's overrated.

real
02-13-2007, 03:50 PM
delete.

Smokedawg
02-13-2007, 04:38 PM
All LaRon Landry did was start off his career by leading his team in tackles the year they won a National Title as a freshman, yeah he's overrated.

where u trying to be funny or serious?

real
02-13-2007, 04:39 PM
Sad thing is.....


You'll probably never have your question answered....

keyfro
02-13-2007, 11:02 PM
ole miss texan "houston's secondary is in shambles and Landry will help them out tremendously and let dunta shine....great pick for houston..a team that has a lot of holes."

could not agree more

i just think when draft day comes around we'll have a few more pressing needs than FS...although i'll be the first to say that better safty play is important to this defense the point is how do you justify taking a safty over an equally rated OT, RB, DE, or DT

landry/nelson would be the first DB i take even over corners like revis and hall but at the 8th pick if peterson, levi brown, okoye, or adams is there i'll probably think to take one of them first...however if my choices are between landry, brown, and adams i'm probably thinking long and hard on that one

Texas_Thrill
02-14-2007, 09:04 AM
I think quite honestly I think had AP not come on like gang buster's for us you'd still be hearing about Landry possibly being our pick. Looks like a correction in the market if you will. He's not honestly dropped that far. might shave a couple million off his contract but he'll be ok.

I don't care if we upgrade SS, FS, and honestly I'd prefer an upgrade at BOTH.


As far as the sidenote of russell/quinn....that will all depend on the craziness of Al Davis.

Champ
02-14-2007, 10:03 AM
where u trying to be funny or serious?

I was being sarcastic I thought that much was obvious.

Ole Miss Texan
02-14-2007, 12:41 PM
This is really odd. I've been looking at peoples' mocks...just guys like you and me...on footballsfuture.com and some have landry going in the 20's

others have him going as high as arizona and i've seen a decent number that actually have us taking him at 8. i think a lot of people just base their mocks off of others and so it must spread around.

Smokedawg
02-14-2007, 04:25 PM
I was being sarcastic I thought that much was obvious.

ok:ok: . i figured you were.

texans83
02-15-2007, 10:52 AM
Matt Leinart was Number one on every one's baord too.

And Brady Quinn is still the number one QB on everyone's baord that matters.

JM is number 1 on everyones board. Which mocks are you looking at?

real
02-15-2007, 10:56 AM
Which mocks are you looking at?


The ones that matter.

texans83
02-15-2007, 11:14 AM
well then I guess ESPN dosent know what they are talking about bc they have brady quinn falling to us. humm

real
02-15-2007, 11:17 AM
well then I guess ESPN dosent know what they are talking about bc they have brady quinn falling to us. humm

No, your absolutely right. ESPN knows EXACTLY what they're talking about. What was I thinking ?

texans83
02-15-2007, 11:20 AM
No, your absolutely right. ESPN knows EXACTLY what they're talking about. What was I thinking ?

All I am saying is that about 85% of the mocks I look at has JR at number 1 and Quinn falling at number 2. Even more so now they have BQ falling all the way to Carolina.

real
02-15-2007, 11:22 AM
All I am saying is that about 85% of the mocks I look at has JR at number 1 and Quinn falling at number 2. Even more so now they have BQ falling all the way to Carolina.

ok ?

texans83
02-15-2007, 11:24 AM
ok ?

Man I feel like im talking to my little sister or something, is that all you can come up with. Im bringing up facts and all you have to say is " ok ? " yea....

kastofsna
02-15-2007, 11:28 AM
All I am saying is that about 85% of the mocks I look at has JR at number 1 and Quinn falling at number 2. Even more so now they have BQ falling all the way to Carolina.
hahaha @ quinn falling to carolina.

texans83
02-15-2007, 11:31 AM
hahaha @ quinn falling to carolina.

Why is that funny?

real
02-15-2007, 11:31 AM
Man I feel like im talking to my little sister or something, is that all you can come up with. Im bringing up facts and all you have to say is " ok ? " yea....





You quoted something that I wrote and you had no idea about the context, so therefore you look like a jackass.

When I said Quinn was still the number one QB on everyones board I was being sarcastic....


Get a life.

texans83
02-15-2007, 11:34 AM
You quoted something that I wrote and you had no idea about the context, so therefore you look like a jackass.

When I said Quinn was still the number one QB on everyones board I was being sarcastic....


Get a life.

Sure buddy!!! what ever helps you sleep at night and as for me getting a life maybe you need to just go and talk to someone so they can help with all your anger issues.... This is a freakin blog bro if you cant handle it then get dont get on

kastofsna
02-15-2007, 12:01 PM
lol quinn IS still #1 on most teams' boards.

Blake
02-15-2007, 12:13 PM
The ones that matter.

Actually I dont know that these exist. :P

real
02-15-2007, 12:58 PM
Actually I dont know that these exist. :P

exactly.

real
02-15-2007, 01:03 PM
lol quinn IS still #1 on most teams' boards.

This is exactly what I meant way back when I made the original comment....


They say Russel, you say Quin....I say Young, you say Leinart...

Who knows....We'll all find out when the first QB gets drafted....

threetoedpete
02-15-2007, 01:05 PM
lol quinn IS still #1 on most teams' boards.

Mike Mayock, a former second teired DB with NFLnetwork, has Brady Quinn @ 2. Jamarcus at 1. Troy didn't make his top five. Kolb did though. Not that his rankings matter. All the guy does is sit and watch game tapes of guys. I think Jamarcus is as close as Al Davis gets to his wet dream QB. I doubt, he'll be stuborn about it. Might just kill the guy if he does let Jamarcus float on by. I Don't know if Kubiak likes Quinn or not. I think right now they are just finished rating people. I'm getting that from the leaked...we want a pick for if the price is right stuff coming out now. They get a pick for Carr...i just don't know. My wife would love it for sure. Kastranostra has him rated pretty high. After DC, it is kinda like once bitten twice shy. Plummer to me is Chriss Chandler II. If that's the route we're taking....I don't think we draft Quinn. He picks a prospect latter in the draft.
I look at the rooster, I just don't see that Quinn gives them an instant fix. If the Texans draft him, we're rebuilding. I guess that doesn't appeal to me. Another three year rebuilding plan is nothing to get excited about. Rooster is pretty barren of tallent. Yuck.

Navy_Chris
02-15-2007, 01:17 PM
Mike Mayock, a former second teired DB with NFLnetwork, has Brady Quinn @ 2. Jamarcus at 1. Troy didn't make his top five. Kolb did though. Not that his rankings matter. All the guy does is sit and watch game tapes of guys. I think Jamarcus is as close as Al Davis gets to his wet dream QB. I doubt, he'll be stuborn about it. Might just kill the guy if he does let Jamarcus float on by. I Don't know if Kubiak likes Quinn or not. I think right now they are just finished rating people. I'm getting that from the leaked...we want a pick for if the price is right stuff coming out now. They get a pick for Carr...i just don't know. My wife would love it for sure. Kastrnostra has him rated pretty high. After Dc is kinda like once bitten twice shy. Plummer to me is Chriss Chandler II. If that's the route we're taking....I don't think we draft Quinn. He picks a prospect latter in the draft.
I look at the rooster, I just don't see that Quinn gives them an instant fix. If the Texans draft him, we're rebuilding. I guess that doesn't appeal to me. Another three year plan. Rooster is pretty barren. Yuck.

Here is how I see the QBs falling off the board on April 28th:

1 - JaMarcus Russell to Oakland
8 - Brady Quinn to Houston
3rd round - Troy Smith to Cleveland

*If Russell somehow slips past Oakland, the I expect Cleveland to take Russell, who has an excellent relationship with Browns GM Phil Savage.*

*Troy Smith, in that scenario, would get some tough competition from Drew Stanton to be the Detroit Lions 3rd round selection.*

texans83
02-15-2007, 01:39 PM
OK what if we do sign plummer for 2-3 yrs wouldnt you agree that that would deff be enough time to breed a good qb to take control, say quinn. Im not saying I want this to happen I just think we look at all the posibilities. Who knows he may be abother tom brady. You all have to rel,izd that quinn takes shots down filed and that is something that this team has lacked on for a while. That being said mistakes and INT are going to happen. You also have to look at ND didnt have very much of a defense to back brady when he did have the bad games. The team rested on his shoulders and when he crumbled the team crumbled. I do think we should look at the posibility that he may fall to us and that we might take him. He is smart and Kubes deff has to have a smart QB and he can do the roll out play action pass. I just really think we need to evaluate everyone including Quinn. thats all

real
02-15-2007, 01:41 PM
If Quinn Falls to us, I hope the Texans are licking their chops.....






He should make excellent trade bait.

kastofsna
02-15-2007, 02:18 PM
you know what al davis would like better than jamarcus russell?

a veteran.

they'll get byron leftwich.

Blake
02-15-2007, 02:24 PM
If Quinn Falls to us, I hope the Texans are licking their chops.....






He should make excellent trade bait.

Excellent point. Brady would give us a ton of leverage to trade down. Although only 2 of the next 6 teams would look at a QB.

Miami, and Carolina. The other 4 are ATL, STL, SF, BUFF.

threetoedpete
02-15-2007, 02:32 PM
you know what al davis would like better than jamarcus russell?

a veteran.

they'll get byron leftwich.

A strong armed veteran....where is he going to get that at this off season ?
And don't say David Carr...that's just foolish. Carr can't function behind the Texans o-line. He's going to crater early and often behind the train wreck Oakland has for an o-line. Russel moves better, throws more acuratly, and is just plain smarter. Be a good combo though, Calvin Johnson and Leftwich. Al Davis wants to live to see another ring...he picks Russel. Not a gimpy legged reject. And you know Leftwich's leg is not cornic because ?

threetoedpete
02-15-2007, 03:14 PM
OK what if we do sign plummer for 2-3 yrs wouldnt you agree that that would deff be enough time to breed a good qb to take control, say quinn. Im not saying I want this to happen I just think we look at all the posibilities. Who knows he may be abother tom brady. You all have to rel,izd that quinn takes shots down filed and that is something that this team has lacked on for a while. That being said mistakes and INT are going to happen. You also have to look at ND didnt have very much of a defense to back brady when he did have the bad games. The team rested on his shoulders and when he crumbled the team crumbled. I do think we should look at the posibility that he may fall to us and that we might take him. He is smart and Kubes deff has to have a smart QB and he can do the roll out play action pass. I just really think we need to evaluate everyone including Quinn. thats all

I'm not going to dismiss this out of hand anymore. What I will say is that Plummer, much like Chriss Chandler with the Oilers, was put in the very best postion to flourish with his skill set that he possibly could in Denver. Like I said if Plummer is brought in we're in a rebuilding mode.

The only thing that distrubs me about Quinn..it's not the big game issue...it's the arm strength issue. I'm sure that Quinn did a great job with the tallent that Notre Dame put on the field this year. And I believe that few could have done any better. A good barameter is look where all the N.D. guys end up going in the draft. I just personaly feel he is more of a Montana type prospect than an Elway prospect. I don't think he has a natural NFL arm. He is going to have to be on time and on target with every throw...just like Montana was. Is he smart enough to do this? I believe so. Is he smart enough to do this behind our current tallent on the roster...nut uh. DC II.

Going to take some time. Just hope If we take him he gets a fairer shot than DC got in the tallent evaluation department on this board. They gotta have a line. Doesn't have to be number one picks across the board on the line..but they gotta find a left tackle. Your telling me by taking Quinn at the 8...because you can bet he won't get past nine...that we're willing as fans to wait and give Kubes & Smith the time they need to turn this thing of ours around.

What was the Justice Quote this morning ?

(on DC) "He's a sad story on many levels. He was the franchise's first pick and untill this year, never really had a chance to succeed. The texan's never protected him or coached him up, never put enough tallent around him. No Matter. Carr still should have shown more. "

See this is what I'm posting about exactly this kind of excrement. Exactly what did they do this season above and beyond the first four ? I mean really, by pasing the Best OLT on the board for a DE prospect. Selecting two prospects in the thrid round...bring in a couple of guys on their last legs . Jezzzz. Just like they patched worked the last five years on the o-line . I mean Really Richard...258 sacks. No o-line pick beyond the fifty...once...Good Grief Justice...you are a jackinapes. Go practice your pederastic love for VY somewhere's else Justice. Get over it already. The guy bearly got over 50 % this year for goodness sakes. I know in your love drunk stupor that is extrinsic. But the guy still is a train wreck throwing the football. At least let the guy move into the top ten before you bend down and begin to blow.

And we're going to do it agian in all probablity this draft as well. But if Quinn drops to eight and Kubiack and Smith like the guy, I'm on board. It'll take another draft to shore up the line, but we've waited this long. We got the front office now to get it right.

kastofsna
02-15-2007, 07:20 PM
A strong armed veteran....where is he going to get that at this off season ?
And don't say David Carr...that's just foolish. Carr can't function behind the Texans o-line. He's going to crater early and often behind the train wreck Oakland has for an o-line. Russel moves better, throws more acuratly, and is just plain smarter. Be a good combo though, Calvin Johnson and Leftwich. Al Davis wants to live to see another ring...he picks Russel. Not a gimpy legged reject. And you know Leftwich's leg is not cornic because ?
see, the problem, is that you said he would take russell if he wants another ring. that's 3-5 years IF he turns out to not suck (which i doubt), and al davis will NEVER admit to being a rebuilding team. especially since he has a top 3 defense. same old al davis. he's going to get a veteran QB, most likely a move that sends moss or porter to jacksonville for byron leftwich, he'll draft calvin johnson, and la de da. you've been around a long time threetoed, you can figure it out.

threetoedpete
02-15-2007, 11:22 PM
For as I'm concerned kastofnsa, there is a margin of inevitablity here. I see the Leftwhich's leg as the bigger ****(illeagle dice game) shoot. There is no way to know that Jamacus will fail...maybe if... What I do know is the guy has the hotest arm since Farve. And I think that will make all the difference in thier decidsion making process. The guy is tailor made for that offense. Not say CJ is not worth the risk of passing him by for. I just don't think Al passes his big chance to seal his legacy. Jamrcus could be putting stuff in the Raider trophy cases long after Al Davis is dead and gone. I don't think his ego could pass that thought by. Just me. We'll see. Your free agent draft scenario fits Al's past moves for sure.

swtbound07
02-16-2007, 05:39 AM
as far as qb play goes, I am placing my money firmly on the opposite side of what Kast says...if he says brady quinn is the number 1 qb, I'd bet the farm on jamarcus russell.

kastofsna
02-16-2007, 09:27 AM
For as I'm concerned kastofnsa, there is a margin of inevitablity here. I see the Leftwhich's leg as the bigger ****(illeagle dice game) shoot. There is no way to know that Jamacus will fail...maybe if... What I do know is the guy has the hotest arm since Farve. And I think that will make all the difference in thier decidsion making process. The guy is tailor made for that offense. Not say CJ is not worth the risk of passing him by for. I just don't think Al passes his big chance to seal his legacy. Jamrcus could be putting stuff in the Raider trophy cases long after Al Davis is dead and gone. I don't think his ego could pass that thought by. Just me. We'll see. Your free agent draft scenario fits Al's past moves for sure.
russell is not this amazing prospect. he's not carson palmer. it's not like davis is saying "welp, i got one foot in the grave, better draft this russell guy so i can be remembered for this." there's far mroe chance he'll be a bust than a star, and i'm sure he realizes that. which is why he's avoided drafting QB's this high.

calvin johnson or adrian peterson. now THERE are some players davis can use as a legacy. he wants those "once in a lifetime" players. there they are. not russell.

kastofsna
02-16-2007, 09:27 AM
as far as qb play goes, I am placing my money firmly on the opposite side of what Kast says...if he says brady quinn is the number 1 qb, I'd bet the farm on jamarcus russell.
the jokes don't stop with this one.

Ole Miss Texan
02-16-2007, 12:29 PM
russell is not this amazing prospect. he's not carson palmer. it's not like davis is saying "welp, i got one foot in the grave, better draft this russell guy so i can be remembered for this." there's far mroe chance he'll be a bust than a star, and i'm sure he realizes that. which is why he's avoided drafting QB's this high.

calvin johnson or adrian peterson. now THERE are some players davis can use as a legacy. he wants those "once in a lifetime" players. there they are. not russell.

I totally see Russell busting before I see Peterson or Johnson (calvin) being a bust. although i hope he doesnt cuz he could be a really fun qb to watch.

kastofsna
02-16-2007, 01:26 PM
man, talked to a scout who said adrian peterson is the best back to enter the draft since barry sanders.

texans83
02-16-2007, 01:41 PM
man, talked to a scout who said adrian peterson is the best back to enter the draft since barry sanders.

Yea but what is he going to be worth if he keeps on missing half seasons for the rest of his career?

kastofsna
02-16-2007, 01:44 PM
wow that's a very good point that no one has ever considered before.

swtbound07
02-16-2007, 02:21 PM
:potkettle: wow that's a very good point that no one has ever considered before.

:potkettle:

texans83
02-16-2007, 02:29 PM
wow that's a very good point that no one has ever considered before.

Just thought I would throw that in there, I know everone has said it but I mean what is he going to be worth if he is hurt? Nata. Face it guys who ever we pick at 8 he will start and he will contribute unless its BQ and im not sure if that would be the best pick for us right now. Maybe in a couple years from now but he deff wouldnt help this team next year.

kastofsna
02-16-2007, 03:03 PM
anyone can get hurt. peterson's injuries don't look to keep him off the field on a regular basis. not like when cadillac williams had a bunch of little nagging injuries in college. shoulda saw that one coming.

texans83
02-16-2007, 03:05 PM
anyone can get hurt. peterson's injuries don't look to keep him off the field on a regular basis. not like when cadillac williams had a bunch of little nagging injuries in college. shoulda saw that one coming.

It dosent even matter AP wont be there at #8

kastofsna
02-16-2007, 03:06 PM
maybe. oakland could take him easily.

texans83
02-16-2007, 03:12 PM
as long as we agree on something. :ok: :ok:

freedoggy77
03-13-2007, 10:01 PM
who cares as long as we get him

Ole Miss Texan
03-13-2007, 10:05 PM
who cares as long as we get him

That's an old domanick davis jersey you touched up isn't it?! lol