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amazingandre
02-03-2007, 05:23 PM
i would say yes!!!!!!!we would be lucky to have him at the 3rd round pick 9

Navy_Chris
02-03-2007, 05:38 PM
i would say yes!!!!!!!we would be lucky to have him at the 3rd round pick 9

I would say yes as well. However, after seeing how we passed on the hometown boy Vince Young last year, I would be willing to bet that Cleveland doesn't make the same mistake with their hometown boy Troy Smith. I'm expecting Cleveland to pick Troy a few picks ahead of us in the 3rd round.

gtexan02
02-03-2007, 05:59 PM
lol these choices make no sense. What about an option for Yes, I'd be ok drafting him in rounds 4-6 or 2-3 etc

amazingandre
02-03-2007, 06:05 PM
b/c it is more fun this way.....and i made the thread lol j/k..........:drunk:

old football fan
02-03-2007, 06:14 PM
No we don't need him

amazingandre
02-03-2007, 06:21 PM
our of curiousity old football fan why?

Navy_Chris
02-03-2007, 06:22 PM
I'm sick and tired of all the "non-winners" on here that STILL think David Carr can lead us to the playoffs, and eventually to the Super Bowl. I think it's time we stop looking to how the Oilers may have done things in the past. Let's go out and get Kevin Kolb in the 3rd round, since Smith will probably be off the board, most likely to the Cleveland Browns. What's up with everybody coming here (player or coach) having a prior Denver Bronco or Houston Oiler connection?! That's getting kind of old too. Go get the best guy, no matter where he's from.

old football fan
02-03-2007, 07:06 PM
I just don't think he is a good fit for us. Neither is Kolb. From what I have heard John Beck, from BYU, would be a better fit. They say he has good arm strengh good foot work and is good at reading defenses, but I'm not a scout so what do I know.

amazingandre
02-03-2007, 07:47 PM
wow john beck.............averaged a league best 323.8 yards passing per game.........wow thats impressive......but i found this......Dave Thompson's Scouting Report:
John Beck looks to be a top 10 QB, perhaps going as early as the third round, but more realistically probably fourth or even fifth round. His age (at 25) is a concern, as well as being a product of the BYU system that typically plays weaker teams. His arm strength is average, but his strengths include his accuracy and great decision-making ability, thus avoiding turnovers. He also has a pretty quick release and a good presence in the pocket. His height is average for a QB, and is shorter than the premier QBs in this year's draft (Quinn is 6'4 and Russell is 6'6). 25??????kinda old....but could be ok with kubiack as his coach....i say get him if there in the 5th.........

Trap_Star
02-03-2007, 07:57 PM
I would say yes as well. However, after seeing how we passed on the hometown boy Vince Young last year, I would be willing to bet that Cleveland doesn't make the same mistake with their hometown boy Troy Smith. I'm expecting Cleveland to pick Troy a few picks ahead of us in the 3rd round.

Who's to say that Quinn does'nt fall to them in the first. He's the hometown kid too...

beerlover
02-03-2007, 10:52 PM
Who's to say that Quinn does'nt fall to them in the first. He's the hometown kid too...

good point I do remember Brady saying he grew up a Browns fan :bubble:

trublu
02-04-2007, 03:33 AM
I just don't think he is a good fit for us. Neither is Kolb. From what I have heard John Beck, from BYU, would be a better fit. They say he has good arm strengh good foot work and is good at reading defenses, but I'm not a scout so what do I know.

Don't worry, that doesn't stop others on this board from speaking in certainty.

Navy_Chris
02-04-2007, 05:26 AM
Who's to say that Quinn does'nt fall to them in the first. He's the hometown kid too...

Even though Kitna had a pretty good year, no way in my mind does Detroit pass on Brady Quinn...no way!

amazingandre
02-04-2007, 10:51 AM
ya but how much money do they have (lions) they may go ol or dl if they dont have too much......

Trap_Star
02-04-2007, 11:27 AM
Even though Kitna had a pretty good year, no way in my mind does Detroit pass on Brady Quinn...no way!

Like i said on another thread, THIS IS MATT MILLEN WE ARE TALKING ABOUT. Expect the unexpected...

Scooter
02-04-2007, 11:39 AM
while not as enthusiastic as andre, i think troy smith is a great value in the third round and shouldnt be passed if he fell that far. van pelt isnt a starting option, and carr's welcome has worn out (whether he stays or not), so quarterback is a position of need.

i only endorse this pick if we draft an offensive lineman in the first or second round however. we NEED to pick up a first day O-lineman.

rickyb
02-04-2007, 12:18 PM
I say no. The opp cost is still too high.
Probable round 1/2 Texan scenarios (absent any moves):
RB/OT
RB/FS
OT/FS
OT/CB

Under those scenarios, I do wonder if we can "afford" to draft a QB in the 3rd.

Buckle
02-04-2007, 02:59 PM
I said no but it depends on who else is available. If Smith is the PBA then yes I think we should, BUT if there are CB, S, O-Line, D-Line, or LB prospects that rate as high then I say no, I think we need to address those problems first, if not then sure lets pull the trigger! It also depends on what we do in the first 2 rounds, imo.

amazingandre
02-04-2007, 11:02 PM
i agree if he is the bpa......i am hoping for our 1st 3 rounds to go as followed........levi brown at 8......i think that with our current situation this wont be a reach b/c it is a player in which we desperately need therefore why wait until the later rounds where the opposition gets worse?????? then with the 2nd round pick i think chris houston, brandon merriweather, eric weddle, or if lucky daymeion hughes......then in the 3rd if we get lucky yet again troy smith......hey maybe when :pigfly: or maybe in 07 right?

Dr. Toro
02-04-2007, 11:19 PM
On the one hand he's the Heisman and has a rocket arm... on the other hand, he has a major weakness that has been exploited. He's good when he gets out of the pocket, bad when penned in. He should be worth a 3rd rd. pick based on talent alone... but probablyy not a #2 like I thought, and I could understand why some teams would consider him unworthy of a 1st day pick.

I think this is one of the few offenses where he could thrive, based on the primacy of the run game, moving the pocket/bootlegs, and value of the PA deep ball. But ultimately he'll fail in big moments if he can't find a way to handle a speed rush, step into the pocket and throw over the line.

threetoedpete
02-05-2007, 05:00 PM
I'm sick and tired of all the "non-winners" on here that STILL think David Carr can lead us to the playoffs, and eventually to the Super Bowl. I think it's time we stop looking to how the Oilers may have done things in the past. Let's go out and get Kevin Kolb in the 3rd round, since Smith will probably be off the board, most likely to the Cleveland Browns. What's up with everybody coming here (player or coach) having a prior Denver Bronco or Houston Oiler connection?! That's getting kind of old too. Go get the best guy, no matter where he's from.

Read this very slowly please.


Kolb, can not throw the ball on the run. This is Dave Ragone II. Kubiak will not do that. Where as Ragone could not run, Kolb can not throw on the run. Waisted pick. They cut Ragone out of hand. They will not draft Kolb with the first four picks. We do not run a vetical offense. Ether Kubes feels he can fix it or more likly...he gets drafted early for a vertical team looking for a cheap emegency policy. And that is where Kolb will have to make it, a vertical passing team. He does not throw the ball well enough on the run to run the WCO or the Denver scheme.


Smith fits the system. But he's six foot. He is a scambler. No six foot QB has ever one a super bowl. No scrambling QB has ever won a super bowl. Jon Beck can be had with a second day pick and has the potential to run this offense at a high level.