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Grid
10-12-2004, 05:54 PM
Judging by our run defense so far this year.. and the age of our dlinemen.. id say that a DT or DE is a safe bet for our first round draft pick.

So.. anyone out there have any opinions on who it could end up being?

Factors in choosing a Dlineman:

1. Obviously he has to be big.. we need big guys up front

2. Has to be a beast against the run, but needs some pass rush as well if we are gonna give a 1st for him.

3. being from Texas is a plus.

4. Cant be arrogant or selfish... not very likely to see that in a lineman but still worth mentioning.

STEEL BLUE TEXANS
10-12-2004, 06:12 PM
http://www.houstonprofootball.com/draft/prospects/ngatah.html

http://www.houstonprofootball.com/draft/prospects/hawthornea.html

STEEL BLUE TEXANS
10-12-2004, 06:17 PM
http://www.houstonprofootball.com/draft/prospects/wrightr.html

Grid
10-12-2004, 06:44 PM
of those.. Ngata looks the most promising to me.. but also like the biggest risk. you arent positive what you are getting in him. Also.. from a personal standpoint.. im not big on the Mormon thing :). But that is neither here nor there. I also wonder if he is truely dedicated to football.. or if it is just "something he wants to do".. could he get tired of it after 4 or 5 years in the league and stop giving 100%?

I dont like that Hawthorne and Wright both have a reputation for lazyness.. That seems to be something that doesnt go over too well in our organization. I would love to get us a startling Dlineman from Texas.. but of the two.. Hawthorne sounded better with his run stopping ability.

Anywho.. thanks for the links :)..gives me something to think about anyway.

STEEL BLUE TEXANS
10-12-2004, 06:53 PM
http://condraft.com/boards/index.php?showtopic=230

texansfan88
10-12-2004, 07:05 PM
As of today, the best situation and most probable will be getting Marcus Spears, a defensive end at LSU. This will cause Robaire to move inside and send Payne to the bench. Spears is exactly what the defense needs as he is able to both penetrate and get pressure on the quarterback. Again, this is the most likely scenario considering

A) Where we are in the draft today (15th pick)
B) Health of Gary Walker
C) DLine doing nothing the rest of the year

Grid
10-12-2004, 07:12 PM
well.. what would you say is the deepest position in this years draft?

If it is anything like last years draft.. the DTs could fall pretty far down the list.

That forum post is nice.. it sure puts Wright in a positive light. Of those.. the ones that most interested me are:

8. DT Marcus Jasmin, 6-5 315 SR, Texas A&M

9. DT Gabriel Watson, 6-3 350, JR, Michigan (talk about a great 3-4 DT)

11. DT Anthony Bryant, 6-3 330, SR, Alabama(could fall to the 2nd or 3rd rnd)

and Ngata still looks good.. assuming his knee is fine.


And for a DE.. how about

3. Shawn Cody, 6-4, 292, SR, USC

according to the post he has the frame to support 20 more pounds of muscle

texansfan88
10-12-2004, 08:16 PM
although not a glorius position, the center position might be one of the deeper ones in a decade. If Florida's Mike Degory comes out, that would mean Degory, OU's Vince Carter, LSU's Ben Wilkerson, Hampton's Jelani Clement and Arizona's Keoki Fraser might all go before round 2.

Grid
10-12-2004, 10:57 PM
Yah I wonder if we will go for a Center... McKinney is gettin up there in years.

texansfan88
10-12-2004, 11:14 PM
I can tell you that theres about 5 teams looking at Jelani pretty heavily right now in the 3rd round or so. Jelani is a wonderful guy and a great prospect. MEAC Olineman of the week 2 times so far. EASports.com OLineman of the week last week vs. Gardner-Webb. I'd love to see him in a Texans uni next year

texansfan88
10-12-2004, 11:18 PM
Right now, you're looking at Anthony Bryant being a late 3rd early 4th round guy as the surprise "man how'd he drop so far" of this year

beerlover
10-15-2004, 09:17 AM
Wright seems like the stud DT in the draft. Ngata is a very high risk because of health issues (we already have one in Payne) but would be the #1 NT prospect. Marcus Spears seems like the best of the rest & would be available when the Texans select, my concern about him is his character & affect to team chemistry. He will certainly be scrutinized and evaulted very closely.

It seems to me the Texans have a chance to build or go in several different directions with the defense. If the player they covet is available it may be CB (Webster) DT (Spears) or DE (Pollack). I'm assuming the Texans will finish with a .500 record so drafting around 15-20th these players would make sense.

To draft the Stud DT they would have to trade up to get Rodrique Wright :twocents:

ledzeppelin229
10-15-2004, 12:44 PM
I think the only way we draft Pollack is if we shifted him to OLB, and I really don't see the Texans using another first round pick on another DE/OLB. Chances are Pollack wouldn't last to our pick anyway.

Edit: Is he 261 lbs or closer to 280? I've seen it both ways.

STEEL BLUE TEXANS
10-15-2004, 01:12 PM
http://www.draftshowcase.com/JonathanJackson.htm


interesting prospect for an OLB especially if he is available in the 3rd round. you can never have too many LBs in the 3-4.

wags
10-15-2004, 01:16 PM
I think the only way we draft Pollack is if we shifted him to OLB, and I really don't see the Texans using another first round pick on another DE/OLB. Chances are Pollack wouldn't last to our pick anyway.

Edit: Is he 261 lbs or closer to 280? I've seen it both ways.

Pollack was 280 last year. He has dropped weight and is playing at 261 this year.

beerlover
10-20-2004, 03:10 AM
Pollack was 280 last year. He has dropped weight and is playing at 261 this year.

thats interesting he was 260 coming out of high school :confused: lets see he grows at least 1 inch, eats & trains Gerogia football 4 years, now benches over 700 lbs and he's gained a mere 1 lb since High School? You guys need to get off the weight issue because I have a feeling its not accurate or even relevent. Just watch him play thats all I ask, see for yourself.

he would be our best pass rushing DE even if he played OLB and lined up in the 4-3 on passing downs. Babin could hold the right side & Pollack the left the combination of the two would be lethal.

right now the Texans currently reside in the #16 pick draft location, obviously subject to change. He is a bigger, more polished version of Babin that would give the Texans another high motor to chase around opposing QB's. In case you haven't noticed the typical 3-4 DT just don't have the speed to keep up with the modern day QBs you need speed as well as strength & agility in the backfield. I relented on Udeze last year because of the size issue, and I'm happy the Texans found a true gem in Robinson but now the Texans need to address the pass rush with the highest skilled, intelligent good character in the draft I'm sticking with David Pollack :soapbox:

STEEL BLUE TEXANS
10-20-2004, 06:47 AM
Pollack and Babin

You wouldn't hear me complain about that.

wags
10-20-2004, 11:54 AM
lets see he grows at least 1 inch, eats & trains Gerogia football 4 years, now benches over 700 lbs and he's gained a mere 1 lb since High School? You guys need to get off the weight issue because I have a feeling its not accurate or even relevent. Just watch him play thats all I ask, see for yourself.

Pollack does weigh 261. This is his posted weight on the Georgia Bulldogs roster page. During games the announcers have also mentioned that he now weighs 261. I know this because I have watched all the games this year.

As for him benching 700 lbs :um: , where did you get that number? Ben Watson just broke the Georgia record last year by benching 600 lbs. Pollack only benches around 465. If you know anything about Pollack, you know he isn't a workout warrior.
www.uga.rivals.com/cviewplayer.asp?Player=8204 notice the bench #
http://georgiadogs.collegesports.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/pollack_david00.html

TexansCanes
10-20-2004, 05:52 PM
pollack was up to 280 last year and then went on a diet of only polyinsaturated fats and is now down to 261, according to his article in espn the magazine. also he squats 700 not benches 700. wags the article also said he has his own key to the weight room and he worked out 2 times a day in the off-season.

TexansCanes
10-20-2004, 05:54 PM
unsaturated fats not insaturated fats, my bad

infantrycak
10-20-2004, 08:45 PM
I relented on Udeze last year because of the size issue, and I'm happy the Texans found a true gem in Robinson but now the Texans need to address the pass rush with the highest skilled, intelligent good character in the draft I'm sticking with David Pollack

Gonna half agree here. IMO size is overrated compared to ability. 250 lb DE's aren't ideal for 4-3 evens, but Jason Taylor,Jevon Kearse and Dwight Freeney seem to do pretty well. I apply a 10% rule--if an ideal DE for a 3-4 is 300, then we should look at people from 270 lbs to 330 lbs and consider their ability. That said, what is Pollack's natural weight?--is it 260 or outside that range and would have to go to OLB or is it 280 lbs and might be fine at DE. Udeze was 280 lbs but had played heavier and was very light, i.e. not at his natural weight--if I recall he was sub-10% body fat at that weight--he could have been fine at DE in a 3-4. Will Smith, Jason Babin--classic guys that could never be 3-4 DE's.

wags
10-20-2004, 10:05 PM
wags the article also said he has his own key to the weight room and he worked out 2 times a day in the off-season.

Don't know if this is meant to contradict my workout warrior statement or not. I have always used the term workout warrior to represent someone who is freakishly strong in the weight room. For example, the TE Ben Watson, who benches over 600 lbs and runs a 4.6 in the 40. Pollack may work out often, but he isn't one of the stronger DE's in the college football. I have heard some scouts say that he will not go high in the first because he won't impress at the NFL combine. That is what I meant by him not being a workout warrior.

beerlover
10-21-2004, 04:10 AM
wags, I've heard it both ways so there seems to be some room for both agreement/disagreement. The weight/lifting will be settled but probably not until the combine which as you suggested might drop his stock with lesser weights. He does look a lot like another Jason Babin, which makes Jason seem like a good value with a #27 pick, right now most Mocks have David 15-20 (Texans currently sitting @ #16).

stud DT's are few and far between. Wright from Texas will be long gone, leaving two good prospects Marcus Spears & Anttaj Hawthorne both may have promising NFL careers but do they fit the Texans profile? Frankly I'm not sold.

Orien Harris DT Miami is the darkhorse (if he comes out) do you take a gamble & trade down? would he still be available in the mid 20's? I'm guessing he's not so then you have to decide is he a better fit than Marcus or Anttaj @ #16?

where the Texans select, given a strong second half of the season by both Miami Hurricanes and the Texans, best case scenereo is Orien Harris if you desire a stud DT, David Pollack if you choose a 3-4 OLB.

TexansCanes
10-21-2004, 03:07 PM
i think orien will probably come out this year, he has had a good year and is being pushed by some young guys so i think he will leave.

as for wright, i havn't been that impressive with him that much. the only full texas game i have watched was the ou game and the d line was physically man handled, as usual, not sure what he did but they gave up 225 on the ground.

beerlover
10-23-2004, 12:19 AM
found some background info on Orien see what ya'll think-

http://www.thestate.com/mld/miamiherald/2004/09/01/sports/9541422.htm

Grid
10-24-2004, 10:50 AM
sounds like a headcase with authority issues. but who am i to judge :).. we could definatly use some spark on defense. I love that everyone on the Texans is reserved, and professional, and a hard worker.. but I wouldnt mind someone who is more like a Ray Lewis.. someone who will fire up the defense when they need it and get them playing rough.

beerlover
10-24-2004, 04:48 PM
sounds like a headcase with authority issues. but who am i to judge :).. we could definatly use some spark on defense. I love that everyone on the Texans is reserved, and professional, and a hard worker.. but I wouldnt mind someone who is more like a Ray Lewis.. someone who will fire up the defense when they need it and get them playing rough.

& Ray Lewis is not a head case with authority issues :um:

astrofan
11-07-2004, 10:14 AM
I like taking a chance on Dusty Dvoracek to be groomed behind Gary Walker at LDE. He's usually listed between 275 and 295 which is a little light but at the end of the First Day or the beginning of the Second Day he might be a good value. As far as character goes, well I'll quote McMurphy...
ďWhat happened, you see, was I got in a couple of hassles..., to tell the pure truth, and the court ruled that Iím a psychopath. And do you think Iím gonna argue with the court? Shoo, you can bet your bottom dollar I donít. ...Iíll be whatever their little heart desires, be it psychopath or mad dog or werewolf, because I donít care.... Now they tell me a psychopathís a guy fights too much and ****s too much, but they ainít wholly right, do you think? I mean, whoever heard tell of a man gettiní too much poozle?" :thumbup