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dgar3752
01-22-2007, 01:42 PM
Besides Thomas and Brown..the rest of the tackles on the board are going to slip into the 3rd rd. One or two might creep into the second but thats a big maybe. The texans, Broncos and Falcons are just about the only teams who grade the smaller more athletic T's higher bc of the system we use. I say we wait until the 3rd rd before we take a T. Here me out......next yr, Long ,Baker and Gaither will be coming out and whether we like it or not we will have a shot at one of them. If for some reason our 3rd T doesnt work out this coming year then we move him to RT and go Franchise LT next yr.

ex. 07 line. LT Tony Ugoh LG Pitts C Weary RG Winston RT Spencer. Everyone else is depth. A very young line with talent and time to gel together.

If for some reason That doesnt work then we go Franchise LT next year where Long ,Baker and Gaither are worthy of a 1st rd pick.

ex. 08 line. LT Baker LG Pitts C Weary RG Winston/Spencer RT Tony Ugoh.
Of coarse this is just an example but in doing so it allows us to concentrate on finishing what we started last year.

1st rd. L. Landry/ A. Peterson
2nd rd. A.Okoye/R.Alexander/B.Meriweather
3rd rd. T.Ugoh/J.Staley/R.Harris/D.Free
4th rd. T.Hunt RB/J.Higgins wr/Jason Hill wr/D.Baker wr /R.McKnight wr
5th rd. BPA..Dline/Secondary/LB
6th rd. D.Sepulveda P

We will have the money to sign 1 stud and some role players this coming year.
1. LOLB-L.Briggs/A.Thomas/C.June/L.Fletcher=studs
2. CB-N.Clements/A.Samuel=studs
3. DL-D.Freeney/J.Allen/J.Smith=studs
4. OL-E.Steinbach=stud
We could use help in any of these positions

Role Players
1.K.Hamlin/M.Lewis
2.N.Diggs/B.Bailey
3.T.Sands/C.Redding/V.Holliday

Cuts-Payne/Wong/Gado

Texans Horror
01-22-2007, 01:49 PM
The Texans have too many holes to start filling ones where they already have a designated player (i.e., Spenser).

dgar3752
01-22-2007, 02:03 PM
I hope you understand that it is very difficult for a guy who is 340 pounds to come back from an injury like that and still be a franchise LT. IF he comes back at all he will be moved to the right side. I sure hope your not banking on Salaam as our LT next yr.

HomeBred_Texan
01-22-2007, 02:03 PM
The Texans have too many holes to start filling ones where they already have a designated player (i.e., Spenser).

Wow, back the hey train up there... I thought our OL was a hole, and a huge one at that. So you are saying we don't need any linemen now on the OL? I never knew that a team could have "too many" good OL's and quality depth to back them up with olike some 3rd round picks. That may have been what's wrong with the Texans today, they never used 2nd or 3rd rounders regularly to grab depth at the OL position... But that is just me...

threetoedpete
01-22-2007, 02:09 PM
Wow the hey train up there... I thought our OL was a hole, and a huge one at that. You are saying we don't need any linemen now on the OL? I never knew that a team could have good OL and quality depth to back them up with some 3rd round picks. That may have been what's wrong with the Texans today, they never used 2nd or 3rd rounders regularly to grab depth at the OL position... But that is just me...

Agreed. And that will be the bench mark for this club that it has arrived. When they stop taking lineman becaues they have too. And start taking them to devlope like good teams do. That is when you'll know this club is a legitamte contender. So far the Texans have never been in a position to do this. But every year they should be looking at o-line and d-line prospects drafted in the day one rounds. You're wrong about the o=line though. If Spencer doesn't make it back by August, it's not a hole...it's a black hole. The '07 season is going to be sucked up into it if they don't find an OLT this off season.

yourfavoritetexan42
01-22-2007, 02:19 PM
I completely agree, yes we may not ever use top picks for top tier o linemen, but thats because there are no o linemen at our position who deserve them! Are you telling me you all really want to draft levi brown at the number 8 spot in the draft? Last season he would have been a late second rounder. Face it, this draft isn't deep with top tier talent. Lets draft one in the third round, there will be a lot of tackles still available then and we could pick up an athletic linemen that fits our system, instead of reaching like crazy.

I am all for fixing our o line, but fixing our o line doens't include reaching for a pick. Yes a few years back we needed an interior defensive linemen, Travis Johnson was such a far reach it wasn't even funny.

dgar3752
01-22-2007, 02:41 PM
Your so right, Casserly was known for completely reaching for players and we are now just starting to climb out of his mistakes.

1.Travis Johnson-Absolutely horrible and could have been drafted much later on day one.
2.Jason Babin-Not a complete bum but sure is heck isnt worth what we gave up for him
3.Chester Pitts- Descent as well but not 2nd rd material.
4.Philip Buchanan- Didnt draft him but we still gave up way too much for him.

Whatever happens, I like the plan of action that MR. Smith seems to be installing. Another draft similar to last years and we will be well on our way to being a very classy, competitive team.

texanfan2100
01-22-2007, 03:01 PM
2nd rd. A.Okoye/R.Alexander/B.Meriweather
3rd rd. T.Ugoh/J.Staley/R.Harris/D.Free



Okoye won't be there in the second round. There's talk of him being a top 10 pick. Being a 19 year old rookie with his size and potential, I can see why.

Ugoh will probably also move up the draft boards. I've already seen him challenging Levi Brown for the second best tackle on some boards.

Ole Miss Texan
01-22-2007, 03:35 PM
Your so right, Casserly was known for completely reaching for players and we are now just starting to climb out of his mistakes.

1.Travis Johnson-Absolutely horrible and could have been drafted much later on day one.
2.Jason Babin-Not a complete bum but sure is heck isnt worth what we gave up for him
3.Chester Pitts- Descent as well but not 2nd rd material.
4.Philip Buchanan- Didnt draft him but we still gave up way too much for him.

Whatever happens, I like the plan of action that MR. Smith seems to be installing. Another draft similar to last years and we will be well on our way to being a very classy, competitive team.

That's my feeling as well. I am coming to realize that he as well as mcnair know the texans and the players in the draft a lot better than i do, That they really are going to do what the think is best. We had a tremendous draft last year. I really believe we're going to have a lot more like that one. i trust this staff a lot more than the lasts too. I will follow them blindly...sort of...

yourfavoritetexan42
01-22-2007, 04:00 PM
Yeah I hate when people hate on our draft this past year, we got the two best defensive players in one draft, and one top 5 o linemen out of the draft, and the other one was at least top 10. Eric Winston was tempting to take in the second round, but we took demeco and waited, and landed winston as well, what a smart move. If we would have picked winston at that point, that would have been a reach. Casselry and Capers, they reached. Our first 2 drafts weren't horrible, but thats because it was easy to take BPA, because we needed the BPA because there wasn't really one hole filled, but now that we have grown, we started just drafting to our needs, and it didn't matter how far we had to reach.

TexanAddict
01-22-2007, 04:27 PM
Role Players
1.K.Hamlin/M.Lewis


I think Ken Hamlin has proven to be far more than a role player and would be a major upgrade over any safety currently on our roster.

beerlover
01-22-2007, 04:48 PM
Besides Thomas and Brown..the rest of the tackles on the board are going to slip into the 3rd rd. One or two might creep into the second but thats a big maybe. The texans, Broncos and Falcons are just about the only teams who grade the smaller more athletic T's higher bc of the system we use. I say we wait until the 3rd rd before we take a T. Here me out......next yr, Long ,Baker and Gaither will be coming out and whether we like it or not we will have a shot at one of them. If for some reason our 3rd T doesnt work out this coming year then we move him to RT and go Franchise LT next yr.

ex. 07 line. LT Tony Ugoh LG Pitts C Weary RG Winston RT Spencer. Everyone else is depth. A very young line with talent and time to gel together.

If for some reason That doesnt work then we go Franchise LT next year where Long ,Baker and Gaither are worthy of a 1st rd pick.

ex. 08 line. LT Baker LG Pitts C Weary RG Winston/Spencer RT Tony Ugoh.
Of coarse this is just an example but in doing so it allows us to concentrate on finishing what we started last year.

1st rd. L. Landry/ A. Peterson
2nd rd. A.Okoye/R.Alexander/B.Meriweather
3rd rd. T.Ugoh/J.Staley/R.Harris/D.Free
4th rd. T.Hunt RB/J.Higgins wr/Jason Hill wr/D.Baker wr /R.McKnight wr
5th rd. BPA..Dline/Secondary/LB
6th rd. D.Sepulveda P

We will have the money to sign 1 stud and some role players this coming year.
1. LOLB-L.Briggs/A.Thomas/C.June/L.Fletcher=studs
2. CB-N.Clements/A.Samuel=studs
3. DL-D.Freeney/J.Allen/J.Smith=studs
4. OL-E.Steinbach=stud
We could use help in any of these positions

Role Players
1.K.Hamlin/M.Lewis
2.N.Diggs/B.Bailey
3.T.Sands/C.Redding/V.Holliday

Cuts-Payne/Wong/Gado

I understand your viewpoint but it should come down to who is available & how high they are on the Texans draft board. I've felt since the Texans announced Carrs extension last off season & confirmed with Kubiaks trust druing the past season, the Texans first order of buisness will be to upgrade Carr's weapons/protection so David/Texans can win more games.

The Texans need to invest in the best available protection for David Carr. you just don't find them if free agency either so forget that idea. if I'm right & Levi Brown grades out as a Top 10 pick the Texans would be wise to make him their franchise LT, hope that Spencer can recover & finally put together a young, talented offenisve line that can both drive block & provide pass protection :drunk:

keyfro
01-22-2007, 05:03 PM
the more this debate ranges on the more i think the safest choice for this franchise to take is levi brown...even if charles spencer is able to return with his knee there is not garentee that he'll make it through a season...with backs like antonio pittman (who i'm shocked no one is talking about), deshawn wynn (solid full-body back), and kenny irons available in later rounds we shouldn't get too focused on RB unless Adrian peterson is there

for those of ya'll who say what about the FS position i agree...reggie nelson or laron landry are also high on our needs...and they are both high on my want list as well...but what it comes down to is this...i have more confidence in cc brown as a tackler than i do salaam making it through another season as our LT...i also have even less confidence in the offensive tackles projected in rounds 2-4 being able to take the starting job and hold onto it

and finally what happened to eric winston?...if this guy was such a great pick for us like everyone keeps saying...then why hasn't his name been mentioned for the LT position or the RT position for that matter...why does his name only come up when we are talking about moving him to RG?

dgar3752
01-22-2007, 05:29 PM
Are you telling me you all really want to draft levi brown at the number 8 spot in the draft? Last season he would have been a late second rounder. Face it, this draft isn't deep with top tier talent.

He is exactly right..Brown would have been a 2rd pick last year. Why in the world would we take him with the 8th spot in the first rd??????? Next year is the year of the franchise LT tackle. The only reason why he is even mentioned in the 1st rd is bc of the lack of depth at LT.

Where would you guys pick brown if this years draft included

1 Joe Thomas, Jake Long, Sam Baker, Jared Gaither??

threetoedpete
01-22-2007, 05:36 PM
Might be me. I liked what I saw out of Eric Winston at the end of last season. Did he make every block ? No. Did he maul some guys when he had the opportuntiy and angle ? Yes he did. I have no problem with Erick starting out as the RT prospect. Judging by his play in pass protection, JMHO but I don't think he's ready for OLT yet. Just me. They made a point at the draft last year saying he was their future right tackle.

Wasn't me sticking him inside at garud BTW. At 6'-6". Erick makes a very tall gaurd IMHO. Plus, why would you waist that quickness on the inside ?

And that is what scares me about '07. Ok yes it is a worst case scenario...but if Spencer isn't ready, at this point in time, your choices are Winston or the swing tackle. If they draft Brown or heck even one of the second teired guys, at least we're covered if the worst does happen. At least Levi Brown gives the club some flexiblity. Rathers, I'd rather have the run stuffing DT, Branch. I'd rather have Joe Thomas with in reach of a move up. But I could live with Brown. We'll see what he does at the Sr. Bowl and the combine. I think the OT is a more critical need than anything else. Got another franchise back(s) in the pipe line in '08. That's also true of the OT's. But you really want to go into '07 with the above choices. A leaky Spencer or a guy not ready for prime time ? And we've passed on these guys for four years running. And...two of the guys we passed on are going to go to Hawaii in Febuary.

So basically what we have is differing opinons on how critical the o-line is. Some believe that you let it go....again. And some believe it is still at critical mass. We'll see what the brain trust does.

Levi Brown looks like a Texan for sure. Well spoken , clean cut. Very nice young man. He has the build alright. He passes the eyeball test.

beerlover
01-22-2007, 06:09 PM
He is exactly right..Brown would have been a 2rd pick last year. Why in the world would we take him with the 8th spot in the first rd???????

most 1st rd. picks start 2nd rd./later & develop into NFL starters (min. three years removed from HS to be draft eligble) the true great ones can start immediately, impact & thats exactly what Levi Brown would bring to the Texans, I don't know just how much more y'all expect than that.


Next year is the year of the franchise LT tackle. The only reason why he is even mentioned in the 1st rd is bc of the lack of depth at LT.

Where would you guys pick brown if this years draft included

1 Joe Thomas, Jake Long, Sam Baker, Jared Gaither??

next year has always been the Texans answear, don't you think? that they'll find some creative way to solve the issue, try a bunch of free agents or make a blockbuster trade to get a LT like Orlando Pace, something but it never materializes then we're left to watch & wonder season after season while Carr looks more damaged & confused than the last. well I've had it, time to fix this when we have the chance once and for all :bowser:

dgar3752
01-22-2007, 07:33 PM
What Im tryin to say is that with this system that Smith and Kubiak are implementing; we are able to draft guys such as Spencer/Winston and have them start. If you feel that the texans should use a 1st rd pick on a LT (a marginal one at that) then arent you also saying that you dont believe in Kubiak or the ZB System??

This system in Known for two things: Making successful players (OL/RB) out of average players

beerlover
01-23-2007, 12:33 AM
This system in Known for two things: Making successful players (OL/RB) out of average players

why stop there? with that logic include all positions & make successful players out of the average :drunk:

kastofsna
01-23-2007, 08:25 AM
so far during senior bowl week, Ugoh has already established himself as at least a first rounder. top 15 with a good game, seriously.

mexican_texan
01-23-2007, 08:31 AM
This system in Known for two things: Making successful players (OL/RB) out of average players
Anyone ever think it may be a result of good scouting?

Meloy
01-23-2007, 09:18 AM
My understanding of the potential of left tackles at the end of this years college season was Joe Thomas far and away the best coming in at a distant 2nd was Gaither. Then somewhere there after the others start lining up. This eval was after the experts watched the players during their entire college experience. A player can have a good senior bowl or combine or college day for the scouts. But imo that should not make most players jump several spots. I know it happens but I think that is more hype than true evaluation of skills. So.. my first pick would be Thomas but he prob will not be there. I think our next most critical need is corner across from DR. That can & should be addressed in Free Agency with Clemments or Ashanti. $10-$13 million is avail now & Smith recently indicated a desire to adjust players salries to increase cap space. We WILL have money to sign a CB. A true corner will solidify the defense with one guy. Most everyone agrees the D line will be better in 07 as it stands. The safeties & line backers will benefit immensely as our weakness seems to be in cover, not against the run.

Now, as Thomas will be gone and CB should be resolved with F/A you either trade the 8th pick down or select Peterson if avail. Kubes and Smith have both said we need a play maker. A RB with AP skills will help Carr, the Oline and the recievers. Also, he should mollify the anguish over not taking Bush. I've seen evals that rank AP a better runner who can catch out of backfield; while Bush had better speed and reciever skills. Most pointed out last draft that we really did not need another receiver, with AJ, Moulds, Walters and the TEs. I think a Left Tackle should be selected in 2nd or 3rd as mentioned above. I would go QB Koch in 2nd and LT in 3rd.

beerlover
01-23-2007, 09:35 AM
My understanding of the potential of left tackles at the end of this years college season was Joe Thomas far and away the best coming in at a distant 2nd was Gaither. Then somewhere there after the others start lining up. This eval was after the experts watched the players during their entire college experience.

what is your opinion? and what "experts" are you refering too?

A player can have a good senior bowl or combine or college day for the scouts. But imo that should not make most players jump several spots. I know it happens but I think that is more hype than true evaluation of skills. So.. my first pick would be Thomas but he prob will not be there. I think our next most critical need is corner across from DR. That can & should be addressed in Free Agency with Clemments or Ashanti. $10-$13 million is avail now & Smith recently indicated a desire to adjust players salries to increase cap space. We WILL have money to sign a CB. A true corner will solidify the defense with one guy.

thats a big chunk of cap space for a team with so many needs, I can't see it happening. I feel if the Texans don't have a CB rated as high as the 8th pick or someone @ another position rated higher slips to them they target a cb with that 2nd rd. pick.

Most everyone agrees the D line will be better in 07 as it stands. The safeties & line backers will benefit immensely as our weakness seems to be in cover, not against the run.

GM Smith seems to have a good feel for Defensive lineman picked up a pair of serviceable interior lineman Anthony Maddox & Thomas Johnson off the scrapeheap, no need to use a high pick here.

Now, as Thomas will be gone and CB should be resolved with F/A you either trade the 8th pick down or select Peterson if avail. Kubes and Smith have both said we need a play maker. A RB with AP skills will help Carr, the Oline and the recievers. Also, he should mollify the anguish over not taking Bush. I've seen evals that rank AP a better runner who can catch out of backfield; while Bush had better speed and reciever skills. Most pointed out last draft that we really did not need another receiver, with AJ, Moulds, Walters and the TEs. I think a Left Tackle should be selected in 2nd or 3rd as mentioned above. I would go QB Koch in 2nd and LT in 3rd.

its doubtful another 3rd rd. pick will have the impact that OT Spencer enjoyed before going down, also this draft is not as deep as last years. if you want to impact the offensive line he has to be either the 1st or 2nd rd. pick there should be options @ both but kinda works back to cb & other positions how they pan out with that 1st pick.

Meloy
01-23-2007, 09:59 AM
what is your opinion? and what "experts" are you refering too?The experts I refer to are those that most of us on MB listen to. Scouting reports in H. Chronicle usually posted by McLain, Megan Manfel etc, Houston Pro Football.com, Our Lads. com; TV reports, radio reports such as scouting expert Johnny Harris ( I usually swap emails with him a few times during the year, but not so much right now as you can imagine.) I do not claim any expertise or insider knowledge.



thats a big chunk of cap space for a team with so many needs, I can't see it happening. I feel if the Texans don't have a CB rated as high as the 8th pick or someone @ another position rated higher slips to them they target a cb with that 2nd rd. pick. My point was a CB in F/A improved play by dline will take care of the defense imo. We do not need a safet or another DT/DE. I do not see a corner @ 8. Only a portion of CS will be used for CB, another impact is expected on offensive side, perhaps a center as I do not see Weary there.



GM Smith seems to have a good feel for Defensive lineman picked up a pair of serviceable interior lineman Anthony Maddox & Thomas Johnson off the scrapeheap, no need to use a high pick here. I agree.



its doubtful another 3rd rd. pick will have the impact that OT Spencer enjoyed before going down, also this draft is not as deep as last years. if you want to impact the offensive line he has to be either the 1st or 2nd rd. pick there should be options @ both but kinda works back to cb & other positions how they pan out with that 1st pick.Other than Thomas I see no tackle with value @#8 so I said a trade down or another player. I see RB meeting the goals management has voiced "playmaker". If Thomas nor AP not avail I see only a trade.:hides:

edo783
01-23-2007, 01:09 PM
If Thomas nor AP not avail I see only a trade.:hides:

A trade down would be the thing to do. The question will be, who is available at that pick that someone behind us would want bad enough to trade up? I'm not sure that player is there and that there is a team salivating for him behind us. Trade down may be tough to do as we saw last year.

Meloy
01-23-2007, 01:23 PM
A trade down would be the thing to do. The question will be, who is available at that pick that someone behind us would want bad enough to trade up? I'm not sure that player is there and that there is a team salivating for him behind us. Trade down may be tough to do as we saw last year.1000% agree! I am unsure if 2 good players are better than one "great player" but each trade is evaluated on its own.

threetoedpete
01-23-2007, 03:28 PM
What Im tryin to say is that with this system that Smith and Kubiak are implementing; we are able to draft guys such as Spencer/Winston and have them start. If you feel that the texans should use a 1st rd pick on a LT (a marginal one at that) then arent you also saying that you dont believe in Kubiak or the ZB System??

This system in Known for two things: Making successful players (OL/RB) out of average players

Yeah Well someone in denver traded for Elway. Makes using the system a heck of a lot easier when you got a HOFer hurling the ball. And when have we ever set up the o-line with a draft ? Last year they took two crap shoot guys hit on one and had one forced into service. When you get two injuries and you're forced to start a grey Beard like Salaam, you've got a problem. There are only two guys maybe four that you can plug and play if forced to and have a reasonable shot at sucess next season. So you're going to gamble with Tampa Denver, Tenessee and few others looking for them that you're going to strike gold again in the third round ? Like I posted previously, either you think the o-line is at crtical mass or you don't.
It would be nice to have the luxuray to wait on guys that fit the system. But do you really believe that Kubuack and Smith, regaurdless of who is the QB, want to go through what they went through in New England again ? My money says no. I have no center or gaurd in my mocks, so yes that is a prety fair indication that I believe in the guys and Kubuak's scheme. But before you can impeliment it, you got to have a base. Kinda like tring to make chicken salad out of chicken you know what. Right now we got to much you know what and not enough chicken. A top flight OLT would fit in that we plug the o-line hole. Wether Spencer comes back or not...that five year old sore is fixed. Then you can start you're second day guesses on who does or doesn't fit the ZBS scheme. Right now just be nice to get the sack total under thirty total.

dgar3752
01-23-2007, 04:51 PM
I agree with our oline needing to be fixed, but my problem is reaching for a pick just for the sake of need. If you want to take brown then fine, but dont take him with the 8 pick. I wouldnt mind seeing him with the texans but that guy is a mid to late first rd pick.

keyfro
01-23-2007, 06:44 PM
you see this is what i hate about the draft...people critizing teams for "reaching" for players...while i agree there is a problem when your team selects a player in the first round with a second round grade but if they player is graded only a few picks below where you are picking him then why cry about it...levi brown right now with the positive comments about him coming from mobile is probably about a 13th overall selection grade...but he will not slip past the bills at the 12th pick...that much i garentee...if we trade the pick to buffalo it they will select him at the 8th to ensure they get him...so my point is this...who here is really going to make a big deal out of us selecting a guy who has the potential to be a franchise LT a whole 4 spots ahead of where he's rated...plus why atlanta or san fran trade up for the 8th pick...there is no player that they would want that they couldn't get at their pick...please don't make the mistake of relying on all the info off of nfldraftcountdown.com's website...while scott wright does a great job of giving you a peak as to what happens he's mocks have generally been about a 50% correct...the bills will not pass or brown nor will car, pitt, ten, nyg or any team below that mark

Trenches
01-23-2007, 08:27 PM
Ugoh will not be a third round pick. We will be lucky if he is there in the second round. Some 'experts' have him as a top 3 LT. I'm not completely sold on him. He played on a very good line. Ark ran the Wildcat formation which had a RB lined up at QB. Not much sack potential there. He's a little light in the butt and may take a couple of years to develop.

I dont see us taking a FS at #8 either. JMO. That is a high pick on a position that has not typically been a high priority.

Toro
01-23-2007, 09:07 PM
If we're breaking down the draft, here's who's available and where they are PROJECTED to go in the draft at this point. Keep in mind, everything can and probably will change between now and April.

OT

1. Joe Thomas
Wisconsin
6'8
313
Top 5

2. Levi Brown
Penn St.
6-5
328
Mid First

Joe Staley
Central Michigan
6-5
300
High Second-Low First

4. Arron Sears
Tennessee
6-4
320
High Second-Low First

5. Tony Ugoh
Arkansas
6-5
314
High Second-Low First

6. Ryan Harris Notre Dame
6-5
292
5.20
Second

7. Doug Free
Northern Illinois
6-7
302
5.10
Low Second-Third

8. James Marten
Boston College
6-7
307
Third

9. Brandon Frye
Virginia Tech
6-4
302
Third

10. Allen Barbre
Missouri Southern St.
6-4
295
Low Third- Early Fourth

11. Chase Johnson
Wyoming
6-8
325
Fourth

12. Chris Denman
Fresno St.
6-6
305
Fourth

13. Mike Otto
Purdue
6-5
304
Fifth

14. Mario Henderson
Florida St.
6-7
308
Fifth

15. Herbert Taylor
T.C.U.
6-4
285
Sixth

16. Julius Wilson
U.A.B.
6-5
310
Sixth

17. Corey Hilliard
Oklahoma St.
6-6
315
Sieventh

18. Dane Uperesa
Hawaii
6-5
331
Seventh


Undrafted
19. Stephon Heyer Maryland 6-6 320
20. Andrew Carnahan Arizona St. 6-8 288
21. Adam Koets Oregon St. 6-6 294
22. Ken Shackleford Georgia 6-5 325
23. Gabe Hall Texas Tech 6-4 293
24. Daniel Inman Georgia 6-7 316
25. Cameron Stephenson Rutgers 6-5 305
26. Elliot Vallejo Cal-Davis 6-7 315
27. Andrew Cameron California 6-5 305

edo783
01-23-2007, 09:21 PM
To me, AP with the 1st and Staley with the 2nd would make sense, then a center with the 3rd. This assumes that we have helped the Defense in FA.

dgar3752
01-23-2007, 09:49 PM
you see this is what i hate about the draft...people critizing teams for "reaching" for players...while i agree there is a problem when your team selects a player in the first round with a second round grade but if they player is graded only a few picks below where you are picking him then why cry about it...levi brown right now with the positive comments about him coming from mobile is probably about a 13th overall selection grade...but he will not slip past the bills at the 12th pick...that much i garentee...if we trade the pick to buffalo it they will select him at the 8th to ensure they get him...so my point is this...who here is really going to make a big deal out of us selecting a guy who has the potential to be a franchise LT a whole 4 spots ahead of where he's rated...plus why atlanta or san fran trade up for the 8th pick...there is no player that they would want that they couldn't get at their pick...please don't make the mistake of relying on all the info off of nfldraftcountdown.com's website...while scott wright does a great job of giving you a peak as to what happens he's mocks have generally been about a 50% correct...the bills will not pass or brown nor will car, pitt, ten, nyg or any team below that mark


you can say what you want, but dont tell me that there isnt a difference between a top ten pick and the rest. A reach is a reach plain and simple. I dont care what he does in the combine and I sure as heck dont care about what he does in the senior bowl. The guy is not a top ten pick..if we trade down and take him then great, but not at 8. You ask who would make a big deal about taking a guy 4 or 5 slots earlier..and i say I would. I know that doesnt mean much but alot of trades tend to happen with the 8,9 and 10 spots. So if you have a guy that is 11 to 15 material then you work your tail off to aquire something to trade down into those spots and get him. This team has to many holes to not explore every option and if that means more picks then do it. In my opinion, a guy picked in the top ten should be someone who is for certain going to be a cornerstone of your team. Not someone who has potential to be.

beerlover
01-23-2007, 10:04 PM
don't make it so complicated. the Texans first two picks need to be starters plain & simple. fixing the offensive line & secondary would be a wonderful thing. trading this way or that is not required to still add value & improvement to the Texans roster :coffee:

Ole Miss Texan
01-23-2007, 10:05 PM
Why have I heard nobody talking about us getting a center. Am I the only one that see this as a big priority. Everybody rages on about how our oline sux but the only position they talk about is LT. Yea while that is probably the most important, we need 5 guys for the line not just 1. Flannigan is old, McKinney can't be our long term Center...neither Weary, neither is hogdon by any means. Why has carr not been in the shotgun? a lot of people say we dont' have a guy that can snap it to him.

If we're really talking about rebuilding this team..i'm all for it...from the trenches. I would loove AP. but would also really loove FS or secondary help witht the first ., even anderson/adams/branch. We all know Joe Thomas will be gone. Is levi brown the answer i have no idea. i would of course rather trade down to get him but if his stock keeps rising we will probably miss him and its hard to find a trading partner. i also dont want to reach for ANYBODY.

Ryan Kalil is rated by many as the best C in the draft. some say he will go anywhere from late 1st round to very early 3rd round. i would like to know what some of you know about him, if he would even fit this team/zbs? im starting to really think we just do things dirty and not sexy. go with either AP (sexy) in 1st or the bpa which probably be DE/DT. then in the 2nd go with kalil if he is rated there...not if he's much lower.

what other centers are there, i see them all as projected in the 3rd round pretty much. i get different stories about all of them. so if you actually know about them please lets hear it.

we can talk LT all we want but we need to draft a lot more than that for our line.

keyfro
01-23-2007, 10:12 PM
dgar3752 i understand where you're coming from but my point is if you can't get a trade down then are you willing to once again pass on the one the top OT's in the draft hoping that next year we'll be in position to draft another top tier OT...this to me is getting old...i'm tired of seeing us pass on guys like jamal brown because the team doesn't feel that drafting o-lineman needs to be a priority...you win the game in the trenches...that's how denver has done it...that's how all the successful teams have down it...you cannot look at any of the playoff teams in the past four years and say wow their main need is on the o-line...to me drafting levi brown makes sense...drafting other guys makes sense too but i'm just tired of the same problem year in and year out for this team

and yes we do need a center for the future...the kid from usc is going to be a good one...but with so many needs on both the o-line, defense, runningback, quarterback, and yes receiver i just don't know when we can pick one up...maybe a guy like sean mehan from tampa bay should be looked at