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Dime
01-17-2007, 06:56 PM
The Texans have very few positions that are partitally or fully filled. One of the positions we do have need at, but not a great need at is RB. With Dayne, as the starter, DW coming back supposely, Chris Taylor, Wali Lundy, even Gado, we are stocked with RB's.

We have greater at SS, and FS. Both these positions we have decent people at, but would do good for a upgrade.

We have much greater need DL, other DE, other CB, QB, and Oline.

So tell me why are people here even thinking about AP?

Lets just talk about the chance this would happen?

First, AP would have to get by the third pick in Cleveland. Which likely wont happen. Even if he did, then he would have to drop to eight.... eight folks.

Then, Kub would have to go against his Denver trait in not drafting a RB in the first round. something he has said in the past. Some will say, well, he was going to draft Reggie Bush. Yeah, but he was supposely to be a once in a decade player too (Not opening the box, just trying to see my view here).

Two, why would Kub spend that high of a draft pick drafting into a position that he already has decent depth in, when he has soo many other positions of major need? Doesnt make sense.

Alot of you are setting your selves up to be disappointed again.. ie Derrick Johnson, Sean Taylor, etc.

The chance that Peterson falls to us.. and they take him isnt likely. Please.. let us think about this realistically. It is extremely unlikely.

Vinny
01-17-2007, 06:57 PM
yeah, we are stocked at backs....if you like a mediocre team.

the wonger need food
01-17-2007, 07:00 PM
It's a big topic because we need playmakers on the offensive side of the ball. We can obviously see it and Coach Kubiak said as much a few weeks ago.

Kaiser Toro
01-17-2007, 07:37 PM
If AP is there you take him. He is an impact player at a skill position where we have never had an impact guy. I was a Davis fan, but he is not an impact type guy where he could carry a team for game, let alone a half.

From a tenure standpoint we should expect that our defense will be incrementally better with a solid foundation on the DL. If Payne and TJ come back to form and Mario heals we have a number of guys who filled in at DT that did an admirable job and will only bolster our depth. The LB corps does need to be upgraded at Orr's position. Or do we move Demeco from Mike to outside and bring in a veteran MLB? Secondary is where we need the help and I expect we will sign a player in FA and draft someone on the first day. Basically I believe that the defense will be addressed appropriately, but only where there is immediate need as the Defense is on its way and there is no need to draft a defensive BPA unless there is a CB or FS next to the prospects name and AP is off the board.

I believe this is the first draft where we have the opportunity to do the right thing no matter who falls to us or we reach a bit - AP, Landry, Hall, Nelson, Revis - and trust that this draft can yield 3 more starters. I have dreaded the leading up to the draft every year, but this year I am excited as need and BPA will be available for us at the 8th position.

Tulip
01-17-2007, 07:52 PM
I'm with you Dime. I see DL or DB at the 8 spot.

Frankly, if AP falls to #8 - then the reason he fell is the exact reason the Texans should pass on him, too. They can't afford to gamble on an injury-prone RB.

I also can't see Kubiak being interested in a first-round running back.

LORK 88
01-17-2007, 07:55 PM
It all comes down to consistency. We can't rely on the 4 RBs we had and alot of that was evident last season. Which would you rather have: 4 decent backs where you have to spend afew series just trying to figure out who the hot back is that game or a stud RB who you don't have to worry about? Almost all of our RBs had afew good games, but nobody was reliable enough to where it was on a constant enough basis. I'm big on Landry, but I agree with Kaiser, if AP is there its hard to pass on him.

Kaiser Toro
01-17-2007, 08:01 PM
Frankly, if AP falls to #8 - then the reason he fell is the exact reason the Texans should pass on him, too. They can't afford to gamble on an injury-prone RB.

So you are presupposing that the sole reason he would "fall" to 8 is because of the notion that he is injury prone? Don't think so. Most of the teams in front of us have a quality or recently signed RB - Jordan, Jones (inj), Cleve, Cadillac, James, Portis, Taylor. Moreover, AP is not a multi dimensional guy where you can find plays for him with an already established back.

Vinny
01-17-2007, 08:06 PM
I don't think broken collarbones are reoccurring injuries. He runs like Marcus Allen...I'd rather us take a CB, but I wouldn't mind Peterson at all. I wasn't big on this before but if we don't sign a FA back we sure as heck need some talent back there.

TexansSeminole
01-17-2007, 08:06 PM
I'm with you Dime. I see DL or DB at the 8 spot.

Frankly, if AP falls to #8 - then the reason he fell is the exact reason the Texans should pass on him, too. They can't afford to gamble on an injury-prone RB.

I also can't see Kubiak being interested in a first-round running back.

I would like to get him at 8 but I just don't see it happening. Teams are always looking for running backs and he is really an elite prospect.

His injuries don't seem to be nagging small ones...he seems to freakishly get injured...which leads me to believe that it may not be because he is injury prone.

htownfoozball
01-17-2007, 08:18 PM
the reason why we talk like this is because AP is a superior player than the options available at those other positions like FS and SS and DL. just because we have players at RB doesnt mean that RB isnt a need.

i could go on and on why AP is the correct choice over the other guys, but im hungry.

mexican_texan
01-17-2007, 08:18 PM
AP is "injury prone" because he runs hard. If we draft him, I think he'll be an immediate fan favorite in Houston, despite his OU background.

powerfuldragon
01-17-2007, 08:26 PM
yeah, we are stocked at backs....if you like a mediocre team.
mediocre is a step above where we were. :D

Vinny
01-17-2007, 08:27 PM
mediocre is a step above where we were. :DIn my experience, the people who strive to be mediocre don't often make it there.

tulexan
01-17-2007, 08:32 PM
Dayne: Good, but not a feature back
Davis/Williams: most likely cut or retired
Gado: not re-signed
Lundy: probably cut
Taylor: good depth, but not enough game film on him to give him the reigns so soon.

So really we have two backs who are quality depth but no feature backs on this team. If we don't sign a big time running back in free agency then we will draft either Adrian Peterson or Marshawn Lynch.

Kaiser Toro
01-17-2007, 08:41 PM
In my experience, the people who strive to be mediocre don't often make it there.

First Texan MB meeting after launch -
Casserly: [to Vinny] Are you just going to let those two MB members talk about our team like this?
Vinny: Hell yes I am! They are winners! That is how winners talk!
Khari: If we wanted two whimps, we would have named them Dr. Quinn and Medicine Woman!

This was based on a true story made up in my head.

K.D.
01-17-2007, 08:54 PM
If AP is there, we will pick him. We need that constant threat in the backfield to keep the defense off-balance and this is what he would provide for us. I'm not worried about his durability bcz the guy gives his all every down and that's the kind of back Texans need. He might had injuries in the past, but who don't. The guy is a beast and has to reckoned with and we have to get this guy if available. If he is gone by #8, then we should concentrate on d-side of the ball. That's another subject though.

HomeBred_Texan
01-17-2007, 09:55 PM
I can't beleive some of the post I read. We are "stacked at the RB position"? That is so laughable I hated to repeat it. AP is "injury prone"? Give me a break... He has not blown out any knees, torn any ligaments, torn any cartlidges, but you call him injury prone... No one would ever have known about his sprained ankle if he wasn't a high profile running back. He was already a Heisman finalist and would have been there again this year but took a collar bone when attempting to show off in the end zone. Sorry, but that is laughable too. He is not, and never was "injury prone"... Please get your facts straight before making such laughable comments about a player of his caliber.

Many of us want him or Lynch, because the TEXANS NEED them, amongst other positions, but RB should be a high priority this year on everyone's list here...

And NO, I am not clueless...

Bubbajwp
01-17-2007, 09:58 PM
I can't beleive some of the post I read. We are "stacked at the RB position"? That is so laughable I hated to repeat it. AP is "injury prone"? Give me a break... He has not blown out any knees, torn any ligaments, torn any cartlidges, but you call him injury prone... No one would ever have known about his sprained ankle if he wasn't a high profile running back. He was already a Heisman finalist and would have been there again this year but took a collar bone when attempting to show off in the end zone. Sorry, but that is laughable too. He is not, and never was "injury prone"... Please get your facts straight before making such laughable comments about a player of his caliber.

Many of us want him or Lynch, because the TEXANS NEED them, amongst other positions, but RB should be a high priority this year on everyone's list here...

And NO, I am not clueless...
The Texans have good maybe even great depth at RB. But they dont have a Star or Playmaker which is what exactly what AP and Marshawn Lynch are.

Tulip
01-17-2007, 10:17 PM
I don't think broken collarbones are reoccurring injuries.

No, but he's been out with other injuries in previous years. Shoulder, ankle, collarbone - what next?. I'm glad his knees are still healthy, but these varying injuries in college make him look brittle.

DMars87
01-17-2007, 10:20 PM
AD is the premiere player at one of the premiere skill positions... a position which, no matter how you feel about our team, can definetly be upgraded. That being said, its only natural that he will be talked about. Would i be happy if we draft him, sure- hes a freak. Will i be upset if we dont, not really- there is a lot of great talent out there at positions we need. My vote is that we trade farther down into the first round (maybe with Denver at 21) and draft somebody like Lamar Woodley (sp?) or Paul Puzluzny (again sp?) Woodley can play OLB or DE and would Puz look good next to Ryans at LB... plus we could pick up some more picks later in the draft and with Smith and Kubes drafting who knows what they can turn a late draft pick into

AustinJB
01-17-2007, 10:25 PM
The Texans have good maybe even great depth at RB. But they dont have a Star or Playmaker which is what exactly what AP and Marshawn Lynch are.

What? Okay, first of all, I agree that we don't have a Star or Playmaker which is what AP and Lynch are. That much I agree with.

But how can you say that we have good, maybe even great depth at RB? Maybe "depth" at a position means something different to me than it does to you. To me, depth does not simply mean that you have a lot of players at a certain position.

What it does mean, IMO, is that you have a lot of quality (potential starters) players at a position. San Diego has depth w/ LT & Turner, KC had depth w/ Priest & LJ, Chicago w/ Thomas & Benson, Dallas w/ Jones & Barber, Giants w/ Barber & Jacobs, etc. etc. What we have is NOT considered great depth.

What we have is a RB corp w/out an identity and w/out a clear-cut starter....a bunch of mediocre talents of which none would be the main feature back on any other NFL team, career back-ups at best.

(It is still too early to tell w/ Taylor so I don't want to declare him a failure by any means, but I also wouldn't crown him the savior; if he had equivalent talen of AP/Lynch then I doubt he would have sat the bench the majority of the yr)

tulexan
01-17-2007, 10:33 PM
We have depth, but not quality depth. Adding Lynch or Peterson will turn our depth into quality depth.

mexican_texan
01-17-2007, 11:05 PM
No, but he's been out with other injuries in previous years. Shoulder, ankle, collarbone - what next?. I'm glad his knees are still healthy, but these varying injuries in college make him look brittle.
Just as a comparison:

AP:

339 carries as a freshman
220 as a sophmore
188 as a senior

Lynch:

71 as a freshman
196 as a sophmore
223 as a junior

A brittle RB can't handle 300 carries.

tulexan
01-17-2007, 11:14 PM
I don't know about anyone else, but I would rather have a running back with less wear on the treads. Running backs have limited shelf lives, and the less wear on him the better. Now that doesn't mean that we should go after a guy who has very limited carries, but I would rather have 500 career carries instead of 700 career carries.

mexican_texan
01-17-2007, 11:16 PM
I don't know about anyone else, but I would rather have a running back with less wear on the treads. Running backs have limited shelf lives, and the less wear on him the better. Now that doesn't mean that we should go after a guy who has very limited carries, but I would rather have 500 career carries instead of 700 career carries.
C'mon, you know AP's just a stopgap for Sam McGuiffe. Haven't you been surfing YouTube?

DeAngelo Williams:
243
313
310

Please_Evolve
01-17-2007, 11:27 PM
I think we can get along fine without drafting AP or Lynch really. What we should focus in on is the Oline...then it doesn't really matter who we plug in there. Terrell Davis wasn't the break away sort of guy and he rushed for over 2000 yards....same with Jamal Lewis. Not saying this backfield will produce that next year. I think with a much improved Oline and being able to tune the offense that would be more geared towards making sustained drives with a short passing game and a rushing attack that can consistantly get 4-5 yards a carry. Would this be explosive? Maybe if we can get AJ or Mathis healthy behind the secondary from time to time. I think if we can put together a solid defense next year and go with that we could be a more competitve team then just looking for ONE guy that might be a game breaker this year that teams will game plan around just like AJ.

honestly I don't care if Carr is back next year or Sage starts. If we go to that game plan which after the last few games of the season leads me to believe we will take that approach next year. I think we can scheme wins. Look at what Magini did with the Jets this year. Not really a big playmaker on that team except maybe Coles and I thought the jets were beyond stupid to trade Moss for Coles again. They went after D'Brick and Mangold on day one...shored up the line for sometime with those two moves. Cedric Houston and Leon Washington put up enough to keep defenses honest and Jericho Cotchery rose to the number two spot well. Solid Defense on the other side. Just food for thought

That being said........................


I think the bigger reason is next year i'd be more pleased to get Steve Slaton, Darren McFadden or Ray Rice. but that's just me.

Ole Miss Texan
01-17-2007, 11:49 PM
We do have plenty of depth at RB but will concur we don't have a true starter.

Peterson seems to come down with injury after injury. Although he may not be necessarily 'injury prone' because they are random freakish injuries..it still concerns me that he may get these injuries in the future EVERY year that sideline him. That's why if we draft him I would mix him and dayne and taylor or whoever else..up quite often. limit his carries to an extent but not to where we aren't using him to the full potential...probably impossible to determine and may not do anything with the injury problems because they are random. i like peterson's style alot and is what we need at RB not a Reggie Bush style.

We really do have so many needs that can be filled legitimately with our 8 spot imo. whether it be RB, QB, LT, DT, DE, CB, FS. That is why i'm excited to see how FA turns out and this coming draft..I will pretty much be happy with whatever we do.

If peterson did fall to us (ie Oakland doesnt pick him #1, Cleveland doesn't pick him #3, Minnesota doesn't pick him #7) I say we should grab him. I don't think he would fall because of his injuries but because of players like Edgerin James and such (of course Deuce is great...but that was a different story last year). I'd take Peterson in the 1st and be thrilled but in the back of my head I would really miss Landry who is my other favorite that would do just as much...wonders on defense. Both are great leaders imo and thats what we need.

Plus we play New Orleans (in NO?) next season. i would love the commentators to talk about how Mario is dominating their O-line and Reggie can't make his plays...and Houston got the better NFL back in Peterson this year and his running all over the Saints. Maybe that will happen maybe not...but that will get the media off our ass....untill the bring up VY. oh well.lol

Come April I will have my list written down of who I would like and check them off as they get drafted. Then Houston will hopefully pick one of the guys on my list and i'll be pleased. peterson or Landry or..well there is a few!

I do like next years RB's especially McFadden who is the best ever. However I'm hoping we're not in a position to pick him/them next year. McFadden should be picked top 5 barring injury and Cardinals, Chargers, Chiefs, Seahawks, Saints arent picking 1-5 and they still have their back field!

next year should be better with 1st round OL too.

threetoedpete
01-18-2007, 03:04 AM
I can't beleive some of the post I read. We are "stacked at the RB position"? That is so laughable I hated to repeat it. AP is "injury prone"? Give me a break... He has not blown out any knees, torn any ligaments, torn any cartlidges, but you call him injury prone... No one would ever have known about his sprained ankle if he wasn't a high profile running back. He was already a Heisman finalist and would have been there again this year but took a collar bone when attempting to show off in the end zone. Sorry, but that is laughable too. He is not, and never was "injury prone"... Please get your facts straight before making such laughable comments about a player of his caliber.

Many of us want him or Lynch, because the TEXANS NEED them, amongst other positions, but RB should be a high priority this year on everyone's list here...

And NO, I am not clueless...

Which seasons did all day finish all ten games ? It's more than just a trend. Elite ? Nope. Darrin McFaadin is Elite. Ray Rice is Elite. Both of those guys go when they are hurt. All Day, jugding by his previous seasons preformance, doesnot, can not or will not. It's more than a trend. And to dismiss it out of hand is as tunnel visioned as VY man love. They may well take the guy at the eight. But All Day is far from the sure thing some of you are making him out to be. The injury history is not nothing. Takes a little more than highlight clips to make it in this league. They roll the dice on the guy I'll except it. But I'm not swallowing the hook for sure.

Kaiser Toro
01-18-2007, 08:47 AM
Which seasons did all day finish all ten games ? It's more than just a trend. Elite ? Nope. Darrin McFaadin is Elite. Ray Rice is Elite. Both of those guys go when they are hurt. All Day, jugding by his previous seasons preformance, doesnot, can not or will not. It's more than a trend. And to dismiss it out of hand is as tunnel visioned as VY man love. They may well take the guy at the eight. But All Day is far from the sure thing some of you are making him out to be. The injury history is not nothing. Takes a little more than highlight clips to make it in this league. They roll the dice on the guy I'll except it. But I'm not swallowing the hook for sure.

Can you provide some links to show that McFadden and Rice played when instructed not to by medical staff and provide quotes that Peterson went aganst medical wisdom and decided not to play when he was told he was able to?

Coach C.
01-18-2007, 08:53 AM
First Slaton and McFadden are excellent players. Ray Rice is right up there also. All Day while he has had some injuries, non of them were career threatening. Most of it had to do with the fact that they ran him like Earl Campbell. In todays NFL and Kubes system that should not be a problem. AD will have an opportunity to rest with Dayne and Taylor grabbing some carries in certain situations.

edo783
01-18-2007, 09:29 AM
The only injury to AP that is of any concern to me is the one where his shoulder was operfated on and a screw put in to tighten it up. A RB shoulders take a beating and that is a concern in my mind and needs to be looked at carefully. The ankle sprain...seems like everyone gets one of those at one time or another and the collar bone thing seems a bit freaky, but still needs to be looked at for any structural defficiancies or bone density/strength issues. If the shoulder checks out and the bones look good...no problem taking him in my mind.

Vinny
01-18-2007, 09:38 AM
I don't know about anyone else, but I would rather have a running back with less wear on the treads. Running backs have limited shelf lives, and the less wear on him the better. Now that doesn't mean that we should go after a guy who has very limited carries, but I would rather have 500 career carries instead of 700 career carries.
I'd rather have a superstar back for a few years than a mediocre back for many years. I don't think anyone in Houston regrets Earl and his short career. Run him in the ground...go get you another one.

mexican_texan
01-18-2007, 10:00 AM
I'd rather have a superstar back for a few years than a mediocre back for many years. I don't think anyone in Houston regrets Earl and his short career. Run him in the ground...go get you another one.
I think him being compared to Earl is what will make him an immediate fan favorite. He runs with everything, he runs with purpose.

NederlandTexan
01-18-2007, 10:36 AM
The Texans have very few positions that are partitally or fully filled. One of the positions we do have need at, but not a great need at is RB. With Dayne, as the starter, DW coming back supposely, Chris Taylor, Wali Lundy, even Gado, we are stocked with RB's.

We have greater need at SS, and FS. Both these positions we have decent people at, but would do good for a upgrade.

You answer your own question..."would do good for an upgrade." These are big ifs but, IF Detroit picks J. Thomas because they give up sacks like we do, and IF Cleveland takes Quinn, TB, AZ, Wash, & Minn all have good RB's, then Peterson is available with the 8th pick. Should we select him? I don't know. We may know more after free agent signings.

Bubbajwp
01-18-2007, 10:39 AM
What? Okay, first of all, I agree that we don't have a Star or Playmaker which is what AP and Lynch are. That much I agree with.

But how can you say that we have good, maybe even great depth at RB? Maybe "depth" at a position means something different to me than it does to you. To me, depth does not simply mean that you have a lot of players at a certain position.

What it does mean, IMO, is that you have a lot of quality (potential starters) players at a position. San Diego has depth w/ LT & Turner, KC had depth w/ Priest & LJ, Chicago w/ Thomas & Benson, Dallas w/ Jones & Barber, Giants w/ Barber & Jacobs, etc. etc. What we have is NOT considered great depth.

What we have is a RB corp w/out an identity and w/out a clear-cut starter....a bunch of mediocre talents of which none would be the main feature back on any other NFL team, career back-ups at best.

(It is still too early to tell w/ Taylor so I don't want to declare him a failure by any means, but I also wouldn't crown him the savior; if he had equivalent talen of AP/Lynch then I doubt he would have sat the bench the majority of the yr)

I dont think a backup has to be a potential starter to be considered a good backup. I would conisder Ron Dayne a pretty good #2 RB. I think C Taylor could be a good starter and a great backup and I think Wali Lundy is a good backup. so we have good depth.

threetoedpete
01-18-2007, 01:12 PM
Can you provide some links to show that McFadden and Rice played when instructed not to by medical staff and provide quotes that Peterson went aganst medical wisdom and decided not to play when he was told he was able to?

I watched the games. McFaddin is not banged up then Arkansas beats Florida. Ray rice played the last four games with a bad ankle and bad shoulder. And. both..played at a very high level for their injuries.

threetoedpete
01-18-2007, 01:14 PM
I think him being compared to Earl is what will make him an immediate fan favorite. He runs with everything, he runs with purpose.

When he is availble to run..correct ?

Ole Miss Texan
01-18-2007, 01:44 PM
I watched the games. McFaddin is not banged up then Arkansas beats Florida. Ray rice played the last four games with a bad ankle and bad shoulder. And. both..played at a very high level for their injuries.


Completely agree about Ark beating Fl w/ McFadden. Arkansas would also beat USC if they played at the end of the season instead of the beginning imo. Arkansas really came into their own as the season progressed.

Please_Evolve
01-18-2007, 04:03 PM
Given the oppurtunity who would you all prefer to draft then? Peterson, Slaton, Rice, or McFadden?


My money's on McFadden.

Ole Miss Texan
01-18-2007, 04:30 PM
Given the oppurtunity who would you all prefer to draft then? Peterson, Slaton, Rice, or McFadden?


My money's on McFadden.

Yea I'd take McFadden over everybody. But barring injury I see ever team saying that just about. I would imagine he would go very high in the draft and hopefully we won't be close to having a chance to get him. I'd rather have mario and ap than bush and gaines adams. but we may not even get a chance to draft adrian so it could be a moot point.

We have a much better chance of getting AP than McFadden unless we go 2-14 next year.

TexHorns
01-18-2007, 06:05 PM
We do have plenty of depth at RB but will concur we don't have a true starter.

Peterson seems to come down with injury after injury. Although he may not be necessarily 'injury prone' because they are random freakish injuries..it still concerns me that he may get these injuries in the future EVERY year that sideline him.

Key words "random freakish injuries". Fact: his injuries cannot be related to a tendency of being injured because of some physical flaw. I dont believe in Voodoo so no particular greater concern for me than any other RB ever drafted.

Kaiser Toro
01-18-2007, 10:23 PM
I watched the games. McFaddin is not banged up then Arkansas beats Florida. Ray rice played the last four games with a bad ankle and bad shoulder. And. both..played at a very high level for their injuries.

So then you are suggesting that AP does not play though injury?

J-Storm
01-19-2007, 08:08 AM
If AP is available at #8 and has the desire to run like Laurence Maroney, you couldn't look past him could you? That's what we need, a RB who wants to punish opposing D's. Maroney is a beast, I'd have given a lot to get him in a Texans uniform, and JMO but we could really do with a guy in the backfield like that. If Peterson is it then I'm already on the bandwagon...