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Imatexanfan
01-08-2007, 06:59 PM
IF they don't draft Adrian Peterson or Jemarcus Russell in this years draft if he comes out.:tease:

Hear me out.

In 2004 the Texans drafted Dunta Robinson, now I know he's a solid corner, but he's not all pro or pro bowl material.....at least not yet.

The Texans passed up on Tommie Harris that year, who imho is one of the best interior defensive lineman in the league right now. He's a two time pro bowler. All pro, and Like I said a beast on the defensive line. Someone that could have took a lot of pressure off of Mario Williams this year:ok: .

In the 2005 draft the Texans decided to trade down with the Saints and take a defensive player ie (Travis Johnson) who I guess has fell of the radar with most Texans fans and eventually was replaced when they took Mario Williams this year. What everyone failed to realize is that the Saints who drafted an OT, who I thought the Texans needed some depth at. The Saints drafted Jammal Brown, who made the all pro team for the first time this year, and also a pro bowler. He has made his place in the elite tackles of the league in only his 2nd year.

Now I hope the Texans can learn from there mistakes and draft Peterson/Russell He's a franchise back and as for QB in Russell, and will make an impact at the next level. With Kubiak there to coach both they will shine. He's had success with rb in the past, and theres no reason he can't have success with Peterson

I just hope the Texans don't screw up another draft and leave this franchise to pick up the pieces at the bottom of the AFC South. :shades:

the wonger need food
01-08-2007, 07:01 PM
You do realize that we don't pick until 8th... right?

TheCD
01-08-2007, 07:04 PM
Russel won't be there when we pick, and I hope we don't take Peterson. Not only would it be a wasted pick considering our running system, we don't need a RB with as many question marks as DW.

TexanFan881
01-08-2007, 07:17 PM
I doubt both of them will be there when we pick, and if we passed on both it wouldn't be the end of the world. I think we should try and build up our defense in the draft, but it would be great to get Russell but he will probably be gone by then.

Texian
01-08-2007, 07:23 PM
In Kubiak's tenure with Denver, history shows the Broncos never took a RB in the 1st RD.

The Pencil Neck
01-08-2007, 07:24 PM
I just hope the Texans don't screw up another draft and leave this franchise to pick up the pieces at the bottom of the AFC South. :shades:

After last year's draft, I trust this group to do a good job. I will be fine with whatever moves they make. At this point, I'm excited and positive about next year. I can't wait to see what we're going to do.

Texan Asylum
01-08-2007, 07:24 PM
I might be thick about this, but I think I'd rather see our pick traded for 2 or 3decent picks...is more possible from where we're picking at?

DenverBorn
01-08-2007, 07:25 PM
I think there are franchise players and then players that if you don't get them, another one comes along next year

I think Vince Young was a franchise player. Mario - well, there are several comparable players in this year's draft. And while I don't feel quite as strongly about it, I think Peterson is a franchise player. Landry, Nelson et al - we can probably get someone in the third round about as good

Dime
01-08-2007, 07:47 PM
We dont need a RB at this moment.. We have more pressing needs.

Also, Kub was picking last year and we had a good draft.

Have some faith man.

LoneStarState
01-08-2007, 08:01 PM
We need playmakers on both sides of the ball. We do need a running back. This "RB by Committee" thing they had going on in 2006 won't cut it much longer. Not saying we need one in the first round, but they need to get one before the later rounds.

thunderkyss
01-08-2007, 08:16 PM
I might be thick about this, but I think I'd rather see our pick traded for 2 or 3decent picks...is more possible from where we're picking at?

Were there any trades at all in the top 10??

I think the first trade was up to the 11th pick.

I honestly wonder how much value is in a top 10 pick nowadays.

Andrew6
01-08-2007, 08:26 PM
ummm just out of curiosity, I thought T. Johnson was doing fairly well untill he had his leg snapped in a season ending injury. Just a thought

Texan Asylum
01-08-2007, 08:36 PM
Were there any trades at all in the top 10??

I think the first trade was up to the 11th pick.

I honestly wonder how much value is in a top 10 pick nowadays.
As I see it, the value of this type of pick would only be realized by an extremely well balanced team. A team that doesn't require that much in the way of personnel change. It would be an appeal to the kind if team that could afford to lose many picks for one great pick. With that in mind, we could get that type of trade, but it would be picks in the later rounds. Chances of finding a future gem or star is tougher, but what we need right now is balance. IMO

Tayton
01-08-2007, 09:01 PM
[QUOTE=Texian;567339]In Kubiak's tenure with Denver, history shows the Broncos never took a RB in the 1st RD.[/QUOTE


True, but how many times did Denver draft in the top 10. With that high a pick we have got to get playmakers. If we are not able to get Thomas we have got to use that pick for someone who is going to make a difference. Peterson, Lynch, Adams, Jarrett, Landry, etc. I'm no draft guru but is there a significant drop off from a lineman who is valued as 25th pick and one who is taken 43rd (our second)? What I'm saying is if we are not going to get the "sure thing" let's wait until the 2nd round.

vtech9
01-08-2007, 09:08 PM
I like Adrian Peterson, but I honestly don't think we need him. I have thought all along that with some experience, Chris Taylor would become a hell of a back for us. I still think that. With more experience, I think Taylor and Lundy will become pretty good backs for us, and with Dayne coming back, I think we will have a pretty solid backfield.

Right now, I just think we need to solidify other positions. We need another OT, upgrades at CB, Safety, and OLB. I think we are pretty solid at WR, but we could use another TE. Bruenner is still one of the best blocking TE's in the NFL and is a capable receiver when used, but he is getting near the end of his carreer. Putzier is only a stopgap IMO, so we really need another young solid TE to pair with Daniels.

I still think Carr has all of the physical capabilities to be an outstanding QB, but like I said long ago, he just doesn't seem to have the mental capacity to be a pro QB. I think I am a bit bitter now. I noticed a lot of things in the first year that Carr needed to work on, but when I commented on them, I was continuously slammed by others. After 5 years, Carr still has the same problems, and most of you finally see them. Am I happy about being right? Absolutely not. I sincerely wanted Carr to succeed. I wanted Carr to succeed for a number of reasons. I wanted him to succeed because he was my choice for the Texans #1 pick. More importantly, I wanted him to succeed because he was the QB of the Texans, and if he succeeded, it most likely would mean that the Texans would succeed. He hasn't, and so far, the Texans haven't really either.

Bubbajwp
01-08-2007, 09:28 PM
Its JaMarcus Russell not JeMarcus

Double Barrel
01-08-2007, 09:55 PM
Drafting hindsight is always 20/20. :howdy:

This team has so many needs that we could probably go BPA (best player available). Very few positions are solid locks for 2007.

AustinJB
01-08-2007, 10:02 PM
Russel won't be there when we pick, and I hope we don't take Peterson. Not only would it be a wasted pick considering our running system, we don't need a RB with as many question marks as DW.

Would you please kindly explain HOW AP has as many question marks as DW?:stirpot: I'm sorry but anyone who makes a statement like this clearly does not know the facts.

From your statement, you are suggesting that a broken collarbone and a high ankle sprain is equivalent to an arthroscopic left knee surgery (torn meniscus), a left knee medial collateral ligament sprain, bone on bone in the knee, and continuos habitual knee injuries. Ummmm....NO:ok:

http://www.nfl.com/draft/profiles/davis_domanick


I'm also curious as to how he would be a wasted pick. Even if (and that's a big IF) DW has a complete recovery, it never hurts to have that much talent in the backfield. If he doesn't recover, you actually think that our running system couldn't use an upgrade?:shades:

While I wouldn't mind taking AP, I would be okay if we didn't as long as we took another playmaker (offense or defense). What I'm trying to say is that I'm not going to jump ship if we don't take him, but to say that it would be a wasted pick and that he has as many question marks as DW just b/c you don't prefer him is absolutely absurd IMO.

t_flare
01-08-2007, 10:15 PM
No reason to take AP... look at Dayne in the last 4 games.. they system is in place... better lineman = better Running game.. you dont need a superstar RB or QB to win a superbowl.. you need talent everywhere and little holes.

Colts have great RB play, WR play , O-Line play, QB play and DE play.. but terrible undersize lineman and average secondary will make them not ever win a superbowl.

Yet you look at the SuperBowl teams (winner and losers) they have no holes.. they have good defense and good offense.

TexanSam
01-08-2007, 10:27 PM
No reason to take AP... look at Dayne in the last 4 games.. they system is in place... better lineman = better Running game.. you dont need a superstar RB or QB to win a superbowl.. you need talent everywhere and little holes.

Colts have great RB play, WR play , O-Line play, QB play and DE play.. but terrible undersize lineman and average secondary will make them not ever win a superbowl.

Yet you look at the SuperBowl teams (winner and losers) they have no holes.. they have good defense and good offense.

I disagree about Dayne. He had the best 4 games of his career. He's been in the league 7 years. He would have shown that he could be a quality back in that time. He's nothing more than a backup. Chris Taylor had a good game against a bad Browns defense. If he's the starter next year, I'm not going to trust our running game to get anything going. Lundy is nothing more than a backup too. Same with Gado. We need a running back.

newport texan
01-08-2007, 10:54 PM
Romo had 4 good games too...

I would love for Dayne to pan out but there is NO WAY the Texans should be content with their running back stable. I think you have to take AP if he is there at 8 (which he almost surely wont be)

Luv Ya Blue 2007
01-08-2007, 11:07 PM
AP has shown that he is going to be a quality player. I don't believe he's going to be any more of an injury prone player than m. Westbrook which is listed as probable every week. Running backs are gonna get hurt ie. Marshall Faulk, Edge, Bo Jackson, S Alexander, C. Portis, R. Brown, R. Johnson and the list goes on and on every year. The fact is that these guys take punishment and injuries are gonna happen. By the way, how is a high ankle sprain injury prone? I call that football, along with a broken collar bone.

cadahnic
01-08-2007, 11:26 PM
In Kubiak's tenure with Denver, history shows the Broncos never took a RB in the 1st RD.

They never took a QB either, so by that logic JaMarcus Russell is ruled out.

tulexan
01-08-2007, 11:26 PM
In Kubiak's tenure with Denver, history shows the Broncos never took a RB in the 1st RD.

The Texans tried to trade back into the first round last year to draft a running back.


Myth busted.

Bronco Texan
01-08-2007, 11:32 PM
I wouldn't mind trading out and then going OL and defense the rest of the way. I would love if we made a huge push for Michael Turner from San Diego. He averages 6ypc for his career. All he does is get big run aftet big run. He is a FA and it is time he got out from LT shadow and carried a team. This guy will be a number 1 running back for some team next year. Trust me you will here his name along the lines with LT and LJ. This guy is a monster and will do wonders in our system.

thunderkyss
01-09-2007, 12:28 AM
[QUOTE=Texian;567339]In Kubiak's tenure with Denver, history shows the Broncos never took a RB in the 1st RD.[/QUOTE


True, but how many times did Denver draft in the top 10. With that high a pick we have got to get playmakers. If we are not able to get Thomas we have got to use that pick for someone who is going to make a difference. Peterson, Lynch, Adams, Jarrett, Landry, etc. I'm no draft guru but is there a significant drop off from a lineman who is valued as 25th pick and one who is taken 43rd (our second)? What I'm saying is if we are not going to get the "sure thing" let's wait until the 2nd round.

Look at Clinton Portis, and Tatum Bell.........

they didn't care about losing Portis with Anderson on the Roster. They didn't care about losing Anderson with Dayne on the Roster....... these guys weren't offered anything to stay... they just didn't care. In Portis' case, they just kept putting him off, and putting him off, refusing to work out a deal, because they knew he wanted big money, and they didn't care to pay it.

Same thing is happening with Tatum Bell this year. Rumor has it he won't be a Bronco much longer.

Please_Evolve
01-09-2007, 01:01 AM
IF they don't draft Adrian Peterson or Jemarcus Russell in this years draft if he comes out.:tease:

Hear me out.

In 2004 the Texans drafted Dunta Robinson, now I know he's a solid corner, but he's not all pro or pro bowl material.....at least not yet.

The Texans passed up on Tommie Harris that year, who imho is one of the best interior defensive lineman in the league right now. He's a two time pro bowler. All pro, and Like I said a beast on the defensive line. Someone that could have took a lot of pressure off of Mario Williams this year:ok: .

In the 2005 draft the Texans decided to trade down with the Saints and take a defensive player ie (Travis Johnson) who I guess has fell of the radar with most Texans fans and eventually was replaced when they took Mario Williams this year. What everyone failed to realize is that the Saints who drafted an OT, who I thought the Texans needed some depth at. The Saints drafted Jammal Brown, who made the all pro team for the first time this year, and also a pro bowler. He has made his place in the elite tackles of the league in only his 2nd year.

Now I hope the Texans can learn from there mistakes and draft Peterson/Russell He's a franchise back and as for QB in Russell, and will make an impact at the next level. With Kubiak there to coach both they will shine. He's had success with rb in the past, and theres no reason he can't have success with Peterson

I just hope the Texans don't screw up another draft and leave this franchise to pick up the pieces at the bottom of the AFC South. :shades:


I doubt either is there but you'd prolly cry if we didn't take the sexy pick. Lame.

If either does fall i wonder if we'd trade back and move back and pick a safety or good Oline prospect like Gaither. I really like how the 8 spot is shaping up before us because i think if a good player falls we are ina good position to trade back to a mid round spot and get more picks which this teams needs more then anything right now. I'd really like to see us adresss oline hardcore this year. Look if we got a good solid young like that's worth all the big name hype. Ask the Cowboys in the nineties. They'll make stars out of whomever is QBing or RB long as they are competant.

I don't think we'll go too much after a big name free agent either myself. Especially if we make a move with Carr. Prolly expect us to go after Adalius Thomas(we seem to like Raven's defensive players) Forget Asante Samuels and Nate Clemens. Price tag. I'd expect someone solid enough to go across from Dunta kinda like Dallas did with Terrance Newman. I like the Greg Lewis Idea if we wantto go that route if he leaves Philly. We need Veteran leaders who know how to win. Oh yeah and make a run at Terdell Sands from Oakland gets good push up the middle.

Mysteryhunt
01-09-2007, 05:11 AM
hindsight is 20/20, what more can you say?

wolfscar
01-09-2007, 05:35 AM
Romo had 4 good games too...

I would love for Dayne to pan out but there is NO WAY the Texans should be content with their running back stable. I think you have to take AP if he is there at 8 (which he almost surely wont be)

I think you're right that the Texans shouldn't be 100% happy with their RB stable, but looking at the team as a whole we have many holes to fill that are much more significant. Unless you're centering your play around a devastating running attack, it's more important to run often and don't spill the football than it is to break amazing running plays. Dayne is starting to look like a quality 3rd down / 2nd half back, Taylor has flashed genuine speed and both Gado and Lundy proved to be serviceable, so I'd be surprised if we bring in new RB talent this offseason. Our management are crafting a defense oriented team - I fully expect them to draft Defense in round 1 this year. Maybe even 1 and 2, depending on how certain other things pan out.

Once the gaps are filled and we have a solid team as a whole, that's when we start looking to bring in a franchise back. :twocents:

dbspi
01-09-2007, 05:50 AM
Adrian Peterson = Eric Dickerson

Any time you have a chance to draft Eric Dickerson type running back you don't mess around. You pick them up as soon as he becomes available regardless of what your team needs may be.

The previous administration have done such a good job the first three years that it will require one more season to clean up their act. I don't expect Texans to make the play off next season with or without the free agency but they should be better then what they were this year.

All our running backs are average at best and with good ball club back up at best. What we need is a work horse like AD who you can hand off the ball 35 - 40 times a game and let him carry the team on his back similar to what he did at Oklahoma. Obviously David Carr is not capable of carrying the team on his back to the victory so let AD do it. Who knows maybe he will help Carr elongate his future in the NFL as well.

We need a running back who is capable of running for 1800 - 1900 yards a season and score 15 - 20 touch down a season. AD will do that for us. He will help us control the time of possession and move the chain similar to what Earl Campbell did for us during LUV YA BLUE DAYS. He will also provide time for the management to bring in the players they need to succeed on a long term basis and yes don't forget he will help bring the fans back to the stand.

I see allot of hope with AD on the team. He is by far the best running back coming from college since LT.

Other side note:

Broncos don't draft running back in first round but look at their OL and see how good they are and look at us. It will take minimum 3-4 years for our OL to become any where as close to the Broncos. Once our OL becomes that good then we can say we will not draft RB in round 1 but till then we can't say that.

dbspi
01-09-2007, 06:00 AM
I think you're right that the Texans shouldn't be 100% happy with their RB stable, but looking at the team as a whole we have many holes to fill that are much more significant. Unless you're centering your play around a devastating running attack, it's more important to run often and don't spill the football than it is to break amazing running plays. Dayne is starting to look like a quality 3rd down / 2nd half back, Taylor has flashed genuine speed and both Gado and Lundy proved to be serviceable, so I'd be surprised if we bring in new RB talent this offseason. Our management are crafting a defense oriented team - I fully expect them to draft Defense in round 1 this year. Maybe even 1 and 2, depending on how certain other things pan out.

Once the gaps are filled and we have a solid team as a whole, that's when we start looking to bring in a franchise back. :twocents:


This is one of the main reason you draft Adrian Peterson who is proven work horse and he is capable of carrying the team on his back, help move the chain more consistently, score touch down, help control time of possession for you, and yes he will also put fans back on the stand for you as well. These are some of things David Carr is not capable of doing.

All the running back who we do have are serviceable at best, we need better running game. Eric Dickerson type running back doesn't come out every year. He is true franchise running back who is truly very special ball player. You draft such player regardless of your team needs. I believe he will be available at number 8 so you take him. Spend the rest of your draft picks on defense.

Scooter
01-09-2007, 06:07 AM
The Texans tried to trade back into the first round last year to draft a running back.


Myth busted.

message board speculation. i missed the kubiak quote where this was top priority or even a consideration ... and since we drafted defense with the upcoming pick (with lendale white & jones-drew still high on the board) i'm labeling this as false. in kubiak's tenure as a coach, his staff has never taken a quarterback or runningback in the first round. the only WR taken in the first is lelie ... not exactly a great reason to try that again. offensive "skill" positions arent very high on kubiak's radar. if passing on reggie "greatest player ever" bush or vince "walks on water" young didnt make that obvious, i dont know what will.

edit: i'm not saying it cant happen, because look at shanahan. kubiak leaves and he trades up for cutler. kubiak might feel he's in a similar situation and needs more talent to compensate for a gap in coaching. i'm just saying it's highly unlikely based on his history.

Scooter
01-09-2007, 06:19 AM
Adrian Peterson = Eric Dickerson

Any time you have a chance to draft Eric Dickerson type running back you don't mess around. You pick them up as soon as he becomes available regardless of what your team needs may be.

poor arguement considering we got hall of famer bruce mathews from that draft with the 9th overall pick.

edit: just as a fun fact ... eric dickerson went to 6 probowls, mathews went to 14, along with being arguably the best offensive lineman in NFL history.

dbspi
01-09-2007, 06:22 AM
The Texans tried to trade back into the first round last year to draft a running back.


Myth busted.

yes they did but this year I truly believe AD will be ours if he fall to us.

dirty steve
01-09-2007, 08:50 AM
[QUOTE=Tayton;567472]

Look at Clinton Portis, and Tatum Bell.........

they didn't care about losing Portis with Anderson on the Roster. They didn't care about losing Anderson with Dayne on the Roster....... these guys weren't offered anything to stay... they just didn't care. In Portis' case, they just kept putting him off, and putting him off, refusing to work out a deal, because they knew he wanted big money, and they didn't care to pay it.

Same thing is happening with Tatum Bell this year. Rumor has it he won't be a Bronco much longer.
yeah...he was still on his rookie contract. i can't argue with a team not wanting to rip up a deal based on that alone. look how well the davis/williams extension has worked out for us. i'd take the denver side of the deal anyway. champ bailey is a unanimous all-pro this year and portis barely played in 8 games.

the broncos problems with tatum bell arent with the money he isnt likely to get down the road in FA, it's his injury and problems with holding onto the ball.

El Tejano
01-09-2007, 09:24 AM
I see it as #8 being the spot people will want to trade with when certain players fall to that spot. We trade to say #12 or so (out of top 10), pick up an extra 2nd. That gives us more pics.

Hulk75
01-09-2007, 09:44 AM
In Kubiak's tenure with Denver, history shows the Broncos never took a RB in the 1st RD.

I think that will change this year, if we dont trade for one.

JAXwithanX
01-09-2007, 09:49 AM
IF they don't draft Adrian Peterson or Jemarcus Russell in this years draft if he comes out.:tease:

Hear me out.

In 2004 the Texans drafted Dunta Robinson, now I know he's a solid corner, but he's not all pro or pro bowl material.....at least not yet.

The Texans passed up on Tommie Harris that year, who imho is one of the best interior defensive lineman in the league right now. He's a two time pro bowler. All pro, and Like I said a beast on the defensive line. Someone that could have took a lot of pressure off of Mario Williams this year:ok: .

In the 2005 draft the Texans decided to trade down with the Saints and take a defensive player ie (Travis Johnson) who I guess has fell of the radar with most Texans fans and eventually was replaced when they took Mario Williams this year. What everyone failed to realize is that the Saints who drafted an OT, who I thought the Texans needed some depth at. The Saints drafted Jammal Brown, who made the all pro team for the first time this year, and also a pro bowler. He has made his place in the elite tackles of the league in only his 2nd year.

Now I hope the Texans can learn from there mistakes and draft Peterson/Russell He's a franchise back and as for QB in Russell, and will make an impact at the next level. With Kubiak there to coach both they will shine. He's had success with rb in the past, and theres no reason he can't have success with Peterson

I just hope the Texans don't screw up another draft and leave this franchise to pick up the pieces at the bottom of the AFC South. :shades:

For some reason when i read the words Hear Me Out i'm expecting to next read an explanation that defends something that was just mentioned.

Please explain further how the the drafting of a CB and DT and how other players hehind them have been more successful so far is supposed to explain why we should draft the QB Russell or the RB Peterson. Wouldn't talking about those players skills and why they are 'can't miss' make more sense. Cause by this reasoning next year I could proclaim we need to draft McFadden....because we drafted Russell last year and Laron Landry picked up Def. ROY. at th 10th pick. I mean when comparing players you passed on in the draft....at least compare ones playing the same position. In other words....that reasoning is horrible. Its not like we were blowing top 3 picks here....they were middle round prospects that you can't be sure about (not that you can really be sure about more than about 1 or 2 players every year anyway).

wrestler4life
01-09-2007, 10:03 AM
After last year's draft, I trust this group to do a good job. I will be fine with whatever moves they make. At this point, I'm excited and positive about next year. I can't wait to see what we're going to do.

I absolutely agree.

DayneBum
01-09-2007, 10:13 AM
I disagree about Dayne. He had the best 4 games of his career. He's been in the league 7 years. He would have shown that he could be a quality back in that time. He's nothing more than a backup. Chris Taylor had a good game against a bad Browns defense. If he's the starter next year, I'm not going to trust our running game to get anything going. Lundy is nothing more than a backup too. Same with Gado. We need a running back.

he's had more than just 4 great games in his career. he had 4 great games this past season. It's not like Dayne has been to 10 different teams in his career. he was with the G-men for 5yrs and carried the ball about 3-4 times a game every 3-4 series. Now, that!!!! is not how u use Ron Dayne. He's not that type of rb. When the G-men did give him the majority of the carries, As a matter of fact they were forced to b/c Tiki was injured/inactive for 3 games during Dayne's tenure in NYG. His stats look like this.........58car. 337yrds. 3tds. 5.3 avg......So even in NYG he would've been great, they just misused him in every possibvle way. so he has shown even in NYC that he can be a quilyt back, if u just FEED HIM THE DAMN BALL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Thats how he was used in college. Thats how he won the heisman trophy. thats how he still holds the nccaa rushing title till this very day. So all u guys/gals get ur tickets now b/c the train is gonna run wild next year.......

.And, yes i agree that the Texans could use a rb. But not in the 1st rd let alone Adrian peterson, that would b a slap in the face to Dayne, who's done nothing but ask for an opportunity. And i beleive Kubes believes that he can get the job done. i' mean he was getting ready to blow up in Denver, but an injury slowed him down.,................ALL ABOARD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Maddict5
01-09-2007, 10:15 AM
IF they don't draft Adrian Peterson or Jemarcus Russell in this years draft if he comes out

Hear me out.

In 2004 the Texans drafted Dunta Robinson, now I know he's a solid corner, but he's not all pro or pro bowl material.....at least not yet.

The Texans passed up on Tommie Harris that year, who imho is one of the best interior defensive lineman in the league right now. He's a two time pro bowler. All pro, and Like I said a beast on the defensive line. Someone that could have took a lot of pressure off of Mario Williams this year:ok: .

In the 2005 draft the Texans decided to trade down with the Saints and take a defensive player ie (Travis Johnson) who I guess has fell of the radar with most Texans fans and eventually was replaced when they took Mario Williams this year. What everyone failed to realize is that the Saints who drafted an OT, who I thought the Texans needed some depth at. The Saints drafted Jammal Brown, who made the all pro team for the first time this year, and also a pro bowler. He has made his place in the elite tackles of the league in only his 2nd year.

Now I hope the Texans can learn from there mistakes and draft Peterson/Russell He's a franchise back and as for QB in Russell, and will make an impact at the next level. With Kubiak there to coach both they will shine. He's had success with rb in the past, and theres no reason he can't have success with Peterson

I just hope the Texans don't screw up another draft and leave this franchise to pick up the pieces at the bottom of the AFC South. :shades:


well...that was a dumb post.:tease:

obviously if the texans had a chrystal ball they would take the elite players...but its not that asy is it?

i just hope we dont screw up our 7th rounder this year by not taking <insert name of this years marques colston>:)

ubecool454
01-09-2007, 11:23 AM
I doubt both of them will be there when we pick, and if we passed on both it wouldn't be the end of the world. I think we should try and build up our defense in the draft, but it would be great to get Russell but he will probably be gone by then.

Good idea building the defense..I think we should take jamaal anderson DE from arkansas..you just can;t go wrong with SEC players..lol

old football fan
01-09-2007, 12:06 PM
I think we we to trade down and get extra picks. We need players at every position.

TexanFanInCC
01-09-2007, 02:04 PM
it wouldnt bother me if we didnt draft a running back. im all for giving chris taylor more reps. it was highly effective. if it aint broke, why fix it?

281
01-09-2007, 02:59 PM
I agree with the poster of the thread... if adrian peterson were to somehow fall to 8, we gotta take him. he's the best player available, and the eric dickerson comparisons are fair.

281
01-09-2007, 03:00 PM
...but if the texans pass on him, i'll still have faith in whatever they do, really.

Buckle
01-09-2007, 03:01 PM
well to be fair when we drafted Dunta we were playing 3-4 which Tommie Harris would not be a good fit for, the TJ pick I completely agree with you on though, I would much rather have had gotten Jamal Brown or Derrick Johnson than ending up with TJ and Winston, but thats just my 2 cents, and hindsight is 20-20. I still haven't given up on TJ yet and hope that he makes a big impact next season with Maddox next to him (I think Maddox's play has pretty much solidified a rotation next season at DT). My hope for the offseason is that we make some quality FA signings and I feel that we are going to have another strong draft this year!

TopTexanFan16
01-09-2007, 03:43 PM
IF they don't draft Adrian Peterson or Jemarcus Russell in this years draft if he comes out.:tease:

Hear me out.

In 2004 the Texans drafted Dunta Robinson, now I know he's a solid corner, but he's not all pro or pro bowl material.....at least not yet.

The Texans passed up on Tommie Harris that year, who imho is one of the best interior defensive lineman in the league right now. He's a two time pro bowler. All pro, and Like I said a beast on the defensive line. Someone that could have took a lot of pressure off of Mario Williams this year:ok: .

In the 2005 draft the Texans decided to trade down with the Saints and take a defensive player ie (Travis Johnson) who I guess has fell of the radar with most Texans fans and eventually was replaced when they took Mario Williams this year. What everyone failed to realize is that the Saints who drafted an OT, who I thought the Texans needed some depth at. The Saints drafted Jammal Brown, who made the all pro team for the first time this year, and also a pro bowler. He has made his place in the elite tackles of the league in only his 2nd year.

Now I hope the Texans can learn from there mistakes and draft Peterson/Russell He's a franchise back and as for QB in Russell, and will make an impact at the next level. With Kubiak there to coach both they will shine. He's had success with rb in the past, and theres no reason he can't have success with Peterson

I just hope the Texans don't screw up another draft and leave this franchise to pick up the pieces at the bottom of the AFC South. :shades:

Well i dont agree with your post assesment and for reasons i dont really feel like typing but i do wanna point out TJ got hurt not replaced by mario, mario plays DE while TJ plays DT

eriadoc
01-09-2007, 04:17 PM
IF they don't draft Adrian Peterson or Jemarcus Russell in this years draft if he comes out.:tease:

Hear me out.

In 2004 the Texans drafted Dunta Robinson, now I know he's a solid corner, but he's not all pro or pro bowl material.....at least not yet.

The Texans passed up on Tommie Harris that year, who imho is one of the best interior defensive lineman in the league right now. He's a two time pro bowler. All pro, and Like I said a beast on the defensive line. Someone that could have took a lot of pressure off of Mario Williams this year:ok: .

In the 2005 draft the Texans decided to trade down with the Saints and take a defensive player ie (Travis Johnson) who I guess has fell of the radar with most Texans fans and eventually was replaced when they took Mario Williams this year. What everyone failed to realize is that the Saints who drafted an OT, who I thought the Texans needed some depth at. The Saints drafted Jammal Brown, who made the all pro team for the first time this year, and also a pro bowler. He has made his place in the elite tackles of the league in only his 2nd year.

Now I hope the Texans can learn from there mistakes and draft Peterson/Russell He's a franchise back and as for QB in Russell, and will make an impact at the next level. With Kubiak there to coach both they will shine. He's had success with rb in the past, and theres no reason he can't have success with Peterson

I just hope the Texans don't screw up another draft and leave this franchise to pick up the pieces at the bottom of the AFC South. :shades:


Robinson is a fine corner and could well be a top-10 corner if he had a little help around him. He has good recovery speed, very fluid hips, and he's a good tackler at CB. If you put Dunta Robinson on the Bears, I'm sure he'd have made a Pro Bowl or two by now. If you put Tommie Harris on the Texans, I doubt the same could be said. It's not to say that Harris is not a good player - he is. Just don't read too much into the whole Pro Bowl thing. I agree with you on Travis Johnson, but he's not shown that he could be especially effective when surrounded by better players. He's shown a questionable work ethic and attitude, and hasn't even progressed to be as good as Seth Payne has been on this defense, with the same players surrounding him.

tulexan
01-09-2007, 04:34 PM
it wouldnt bother me if we didnt draft a running back. im all for giving chris taylor more reps. it was highly effective. if it aint broke, why fix it?

He had 28 carries for 123 yards this season. Was it solid? I guess, but I wouldn't pass up an elite running back because we have a guy who looked good against two of the worst run defenses in the league. It would be one thing if he had 100 or 150 carries for 500 or 600 yards, but he didn't.

TheCD
01-09-2007, 05:33 PM
Would you please kindly explain HOW AP has as many question marks as DW?:stirpot: I'm sorry but anyone who makes a statement like this clearly does not know the facts.

From your statement, you are suggesting that a broken collarbone and a high ankle sprain is equivalent to an arthroscopic left knee surgery (torn meniscus), a left knee medial collateral ligament sprain, bone on bone in the knee, and continuos habitual knee injuries. Ummmm....NO:ok:

http://www.nfl.com/draft/profiles/davis_domanick


I'm also curious as to how he would be a wasted pick. Even if (and that's a big IF) DW has a complete recovery, it never hurts to have that much talent in the backfield. If he doesn't recover, you actually think that our running system couldn't use an upgrade?:shades:

While I wouldn't mind taking AP, I would be okay if we didn't as long as we took another playmaker (offense or defense). What I'm trying to say is that I'm not going to jump ship if we don't take him, but to say that it would be a wasted pick and that he has as many question marks as DW just b/c you don't prefer him is absolutely absurd IMO.



Perhaps you misunderstood me. I never said his injuries were as bad as DW's, I just said he has as many question marks about durability. I live in the Texhoma area (unfortunately), and hear a lot of talk coming from Oklahoma about Peterson's ability to stay healthy. I don't dislike the guy at all...so don't think I'm just saying no because I hate him.

I just think that drafting an expensive RB should be very low on our list. And I think that last year showed we're definitely shying away from high-profile backs if we skipped out on the "sure thing."

kcwilson
01-09-2007, 05:53 PM
He had 28 carries for 123 yards this season. Was it solid? I guess, but I wouldn't pass up an elite running back because we have a guy who looked good against two of the worst run defenses in the league. It would be one thing if he had 100 or 150 carries for 500 or 600 yards, but he didn't.

Totally agree with this. I don't think 28 carries makes a back, especially when he has issues with putting the ball on the carpet.

He is unproven in my mind. I think stubborness on my part resists the temptation to say that Dayne's performance is something to be positive about, but I just don't like him as a runner for this team, despite late season production.

dantem
01-09-2007, 06:00 PM
We already have 5 backs to sift through in the off season, I hope the Texans get Linemen, as many as possible seen as how we loose 6-8 per season to injuries.

TheRealJoker
01-09-2007, 06:49 PM
LOL @ the thought of Ramonce Taylor being drafted in the 2nd round.

tulexan
01-09-2007, 07:08 PM
IF Peterson is not available I think they should get the best player left no matter what position, and go for Ramonce Taylor in the second round, because I don't think he will go in the 1st and we could get a steal if he's available in the second. I am a Longhorn fan and I've seen what this guy can do. Maybe a diamond in the ruff.


Romance Taylor will be lucky to go in the 5th or 6th round let alone the 2nd. But who knows, the Bengals might pick him and his five pounds of weed.

Pantherstang84
01-09-2007, 07:17 PM
The point of the whole thread is what disturbs me.

"Let's get the sexy player regardless if he addresses this team's needs or not."

If the Texans do go for the "sexy" pick, the same people will be saying this time next year (especially if the "sexy" player turns out to be a dud)...

"They need to fire Kubiak and Rick Smith. This team sucks. These guys don't have a clue."

You armchair GMs and HCs need to start ringing some phones. There are a few coaching vacancies in NFL this year. Come on. Step up to the plate.

Bob_A
01-09-2007, 08:12 PM
Football, at any level, really is a simple game. Win the most battles along the line of scrimmage and in the long run you'll win most of your games.

Thats where we need to concentrate our efforts.

Koolbrz
01-09-2007, 08:52 PM
IF they don't draft Adrian Peterson or Jemarcus Russell in this years draft if he comes out.:tease:

Hear me out.

In 2004 the Texans drafted Dunta Robinson, now I know he's a solid corner, but he's not all pro or pro bowl material.....at least not yet.

The Texans passed up on Tommie Harris that year, who imho is one of the best interior defensive lineman in the league right now. He's a two time pro bowler. All pro, and Like I said a beast on the defensive line. Someone that could have took a lot of pressure off of Mario Williams this year:ok: .

In the 2005 draft the Texans decided to trade down with the Saints and take a defensive player ie (Travis Johnson) who I guess has fell of the radar with most Texans fans and eventually was replaced when they took Mario Williams this year. What everyone failed to realize is that the Saints who drafted an OT, who I thought the Texans needed some depth at. The Saints drafted Jammal Brown, who made the all pro team for the first time this year, and also a pro bowler. He has made his place in the elite tackles of the league in only his 2nd year.

Now I hope the Texans can learn from there mistakes and draft Peterson/Russell He's a franchise back and as for QB in Russell, and will make an impact at the next level. With Kubiak there to coach both they will shine. He's had success with rb in the past, and theres no reason he can't have success with Peterson

I just hope the Texans don't screw up another draft and leave this franchise to pick up the pieces at the bottom of the AFC South. :shades:


Russell will be gone by the time the Texans pick. Peterson might still be there and i agree with you, they need to take him. I am sick and tired of this RB by commitee thing we had going last yr. IMHO i dont think DD can take a pounding all yr. long, Lundy is ok but not great, Taylor has some potential but if he was as good as most of you think he is he would have been on the roster from day one, Dayne and Gado will more than likely not be on the roster if we draft Peterson.

The peeps making these decisions need to stop thinking that any back can come in and do what the backs in Denver have done through the yrs. We are not Denver and this team is in serious need of a GAMEBREAKER!! We don't have that on Offense. We need that player that can take over a game. I like Peterson and i feel that he could be that type of player for many yrs. to come. Look at the top teams in the league and they all have a top RB or two. Our backs are no better than a 3rd or 4th RB on anyone else's roster. To Hell with 2nd or 3rd best, I want them to get the best at the position. By the way, our defense is a lil better than our offense so i say we pick offense first defense second. We can upgrade our secondary through free agency with the right people.

Pantherstang84
01-09-2007, 09:46 PM
Russell will be gone by the time the Texans pick. Peterson might still be there and i agree with you, they need to take him. I am sick and tired of this RB by commitee thing we had going last yr. IMHO i dont think DD can take a pounding all yr. long, Lundy is ok but not great, Taylor has some potential but if he was as good as most of you think he is he would have been on the roster from day one, Dayne and Gado will more than likely not be on the roster if we draft Peterson.

The peeps making these decisions need to stop thinking that any back can come in and do what the backs in Denver have done through the yrs. We are not Denver and this team is in serious need of a GAMEBREAKER!! We don't have that on Offense. We need that player that can take over a game. I like Peterson and i feel that he could be that type of player for many yrs. to come. Look at the top teams in the league and they all have a top RB or two. Our backs are no better than a 3rd or 4th RB on anyone else's roster. To Hell with 2nd or 3rd best, I want them to get the best at the position. By the way, our defense is a lil better than our offense so i say we pick offense first defense second. We can upgrade our secondary through free agency with the right people.

OK. You draft a "game breaking" RB. Everyone in the AFC already knows your passing game blows. They crowd 8 in the box to stop your "game breaker" and are able to slow him down. Next, you have a couple of injuries on your O-line.

Oh no. We spent a lot of dough on the "game beaker" and couldn't address the trenches in FA.

Now not only can the opposing D slow down the "game breaker", they shut him down all together.

What do you do?

Blame Kubiak? Smith? or David Carr?

For those who fell asleep in class, the game of football is won in the TRENCHES!

Got it?

Before going after "Big Sexy", fix your D and O lines. That is step #1!!!

After the lines are fixed, then go look for "Big Sexy."

CenTexNative
01-09-2007, 09:48 PM
IF they don't draft Adrian Peterson or Jemarcus Russell in this years draft if he comes out.:tease:

Hear me out.

In 2004 the Texans drafted Dunta Robinson, now I know he's a solid corner, but he's not all pro or pro bowl material.....at least not yet.

The Texans passed up on Tommie Harris that year, who imho is one of the best interior defensive lineman in the league right now. He's a two time pro bowler. All pro, and Like I said a beast on the defensive line. Someone that could have took a lot of pressure off of Mario Williams this year:ok: .

In the 2005 draft the Texans decided to trade down with the Saints and take a defensive player ie (Travis Johnson) who I guess has fell of the radar with most Texans fans and eventually was replaced when they took Mario Williams this year. What everyone failed to realize is that the Saints who drafted an OT, who I thought the Texans needed some depth at. The Saints drafted Jammal Brown, who made the all pro team for the first time this year, and also a pro bowler. He has made his place in the elite tackles of the league in only his 2nd year.

Now I hope the Texans can learn from there mistakes and draft Peterson/Russell He's a franchise back and as for QB in Russell, and will make an impact at the next level. With Kubiak there to coach both they will shine. He's had success with rb in the past, and theres no reason he can't have success with Peterson

I just hope the Texans don't screw up another draft and leave this franchise to pick up the pieces at the bottom of the AFC South. :shades:

bla bla bla....you have to to have faith...bla bla bla

Goldeagle
01-09-2007, 09:50 PM
I might be thick about this, but I think I'd rather see our pick traded for 2 or 3decent picks...is more possible from where we're picking at?



Fully agree!

Not big on Russel, and I am worried about AP and the injury bug.

Id rather trade down at pick up an OT or OG that we are being told wont play in the nFL (Even though D Brick played well, Spencer (3rd round pick) and McNeil (2nd round pick) played pretty darn good for their teams.

New_Texans
01-09-2007, 10:59 PM
IF they don't draft Adrian Peterson or Jemarcus Russell in this years draft if he comes out.:tease:

Hear me out.

In 2004 the Texans drafted Dunta Robinson, now I know he's a solid corner, but he's not all pro or pro bowl material.....at least not yet.

The Texans passed up on Tommie Harris that year, who imho is one of the best interior defensive lineman in the league right now. He's a two time pro bowler. All pro, and Like I said a beast on the defensive line. Someone that could have took a lot of pressure off of Mario Williams this year:ok: .

In the 2005 draft the Texans decided to trade down with the Saints and take a defensive player ie (Travis Johnson) who I guess has fell of the radar with most Texans fans and eventually was replaced when they took Mario Williams this year. What everyone failed to realize is that the Saints who drafted an OT, who I thought the Texans needed some depth at. The Saints drafted Jammal Brown, who made the all pro team for the first time this year, and also a pro bowler. He has made his place in the elite tackles of the league in only his 2nd year.

Now I hope the Texans can learn from there mistakes and draft Peterson/Russell He's a franchise back and as for QB in Russell, and will make an impact at the next level. With Kubiak there to coach both they will shine. He's had success with rb in the past, and theres no reason he can't have success with Peterson

I just hope the Texans don't screw up another draft and leave this franchise to pick up the pieces at the bottom of the AFC South. :shades:

...so, if the texans draft a stellar o-lineman or d-lineman in stead of the 2 you named they messed up the draft?

I remember when they drafted some LB from alabama...de-de DeMeco? I believe that was his name...too bad he wasnt that great.:shades:

DayneBum
01-10-2007, 08:32 AM
Can't draft a RB - that would be a slap in the face to Dayne. As mentioned on thousands of threads can't draft a QB - that would be a slap in the face to Carr. Can't draft a OL - that would slap Winston, Spencer, Flanagan, Pitts, Weary, and McKinney. Can't draft - well we can't draft anyone because it would be a slap in the face to someone.

Well, boo hoo. If the best player available is at YOUR position, too bad, we should draft him. You can compete for playing time or go home crying to mama. If Dayne (or Carr or Winston or etc) can't get playing time because someone the team drafted is better, too bad for them - too good for the team.

see your missing the point. i said to draft a rb in the 1st rd, which Kubiak is not known to do, would be a slap in Dayne's face. Carr has had what? 5yrs to prove something. So his situation is much, much mcuh different. He knows his job is on the line, and he is just not the answer anymore. Then with the o-line. We got 10yr vets, and rookies on the o-line. Drafting an o-lineman should be the 1st priority. Whose gonna block for the STUD rb. Thats were the running game begins. i agrre that competiotn is great. But drafting a high priced rb is just not gonna happen. Have u forgotten, this is denver south. They dont draft rb's in the 1st rd.

281
01-10-2007, 11:03 AM
man, look at this mock offseason for us

http://www.footballsfuture.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=96625

edo783
01-10-2007, 02:13 PM
Well, that's fun to look at, but I doubt we have anywhere near the cash it would take to do that.

eriadoc
01-10-2007, 02:40 PM
man, look at this mock offseason for us

http://www.footballsfuture.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=96625

Wow. There's not a single O-line pick or free agent signee in that list. And people wonder why our team sucks.

Thanks for sharing that, though. It's good to see what the thought processes are out there.

old football fan
01-10-2007, 03:27 PM
man, look at this mock offseason for us

http://www.footballsfuture.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=96625

That looks okay but we don't have that much cap room for those FA's and Jordan Palmer doesn't play for BYU he plays for UTEP and I believe he's a Jr.

rafterticket
01-10-2007, 04:42 PM
Can't draft a RB - that would be a slap in the face to Dayne. As mentioned on thousands of threads can't draft a QB - that would be a slap in the face to Carr. Can't draft a OL - that would slap Winston, Spencer, Flanagan, Pitts, Weary, and McKinney. Can't draft - well we can't draft anyone because it would be a slap in the face to someone.

Well, boo hoo. If the best player available is at YOUR position, too bad, we should draft him. You can compete for playing time or go home crying to mama. If Dayne (or Carr or Winston or etc) can't get playing time because someone the team drafted is better, too bad for them - too good for the team.

I hear Steve DeBerg was upset when Bill Walsh drafted Joe Montana. The NFL made you take someone in those days, and it was just Steve's turn to get slapped. Bill cried for a week, too, I hear. Because he was so sensitive.

Imatexanfan
01-10-2007, 06:17 PM
bla bla bla....you have to to have faith...bla bla bla

Ayight GEORGE MICHAEL wow what a ***.....I mean faggins:tease:

Koolbrz
01-10-2007, 07:20 PM
OK. You draft a "game breaking" RB. Everyone in the AFC already knows your passing game blows. They crowd 8 in the box to stop your "game breaker" and are able to slow him down. Next, you have a couple of injuries on your O-line.

Oh no. We spent a lot of dough on the "game beaker" and couldn't address the trenches in FA.

Now not only can the opposing D slow down the "game breaker", they shut him down all together.

What do you do?

Blame Kubiak? Smith? or David Carr?

For those who fell asleep in class, the game of football is won in the TRENCHES!

Got it?

Before going after "Big Sexy", fix your D and O lines. That is step #1!!!

After the lines are fixed, then go look for "Big Sexy."


Well, in this offense everything feeds off of the run. If they can get a good enough running game going the pass will open up. By the way it does seem like some of us slept during class. Otherwise you would know this about the offense Kubiak is running. You say our passing game blows! Well, maybe it's because we did not have much of a running game for other teams to worry about so they drop back and defend against the pass. Our QB did not help the situation much either. Saying that i will say this...

I know that our D-line is young and only going to get better. Some of the free agent pick-ups they made during the yr. seemed to pay off some. Mario will be better this yr than last and TJ was making some plays until he was hurt. Weaver and Kalu picked it up at the end of the yr. The O-line can be a solid unit if they can play a whole season together. Spencer will hopefully be back at full speed this coming yr. and i saw some steady improvement in Winston. Of course he looked like a rookie at times, but maybe it's because he is a rookie. With a couple of solid pick-ups during Free agency and the draft we can improve the O-line some more. Depth is always a good thing at this position you know. Then that "Sexy Pick" just might run all over everybody's azz during the season as well as open up a hell of pasiing game. This depends on who is at QB this coming season of course. Hell, i'll be more than happy if they pick up Turner off the Free Agents list. See, i do know a lil about football. I not only played the sport for about 14 yrs. but i am also a coach. So don't talk to me like i don't know what i am talking about.

Imatexanfan
01-10-2007, 07:50 PM
Its JaMarcus Russell not JeMarcus

whatever man WE ain't having a spellin contest you know what he means retard.:tease: j/k

Bubbajwp
01-10-2007, 08:24 PM
whatever man WE ain't having a spellin contest you know what he means retard.:tease: j/k

Do you correct people when they say your name wrong. I wouldnt have said anything if it was the first time I saw somebody spell it like that. But I have seen it spelled like that alot the last few days so I felt like I should correct them.

Aztequila
01-11-2007, 04:04 AM
Jesus, with all of this argument I can't wait until we get better. Then our draft will just depends on who is left.

Arky
01-11-2007, 11:22 AM
Good idea building the defense..I think we should take jamaal anderson DE from arkansas..you just can;t go wrong with SEC players..lol

Actually, that might be a good pick.

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=2723489

Anderson was a first-team All-Southeastern Conference selection and an honorable mention All-American as a junior this season. The Little Rock native led the SEC in sacks with 13.5 and was second in the league with 19.5 tackles for loss.

Anderson led the team with 26 quarterback hurries ....


He ate up OT Joe Thomas of Wisconsin (projected top 5 pick) in the Capital One Bowl. I believe he had something like 3 sacks on the Wisconsin QB.... The Texans might not see him as a #8, though, or they may want to go in a different direction. He's a "coming out junior" so he's probably 20-21 years old. Would be kind of cool to have him bookended with the 21 (soon to be 22) year old Mario Williams... That would take care of those two spots for many years....

(edit: It has come to my attention that Anderson was actually *not* lined up opposite Joe Thomas. Still had a good game w/3 sacks, though)

wolfscar
01-11-2007, 11:29 AM
man, look at this mock offseason for us

http://www.footballsfuture.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=96625

Looks like nonsense to me - bad FA signings and only a couple of decent draft picks. I sincerely hope it goes nothing like this.

Pantherstang84
01-11-2007, 12:04 PM
Well, in this offense everything feeds off of the run. If they can get a good enough running game going the pass will open up. By the way it does seem like some of us slept during class. Otherwise you would know this about the offense Kubiak is running. You say our passing game blows! Well, maybe it's because we did not have much of a running game for other teams to worry about so they drop back and defend against the pass. Our QB did not help the situation much either. Saying that i will say this...

I know that our D-line is young and only going to get better. Some of the free agent pick-ups they made during the yr. seemed to pay off some. Mario will be better this yr than last and TJ was making some plays until he was hurt. Weaver and Kalu picked it up at the end of the yr. The O-line can be a solid unit if they can play a whole season together. Spencer will hopefully be back at full speed this coming yr. and i saw some steady improvement in Winston. Of course he looked like a rookie at times, but maybe it's because he is a rookie. With a couple of solid pick-ups during Free agency and the draft we can improve the O-line some more. Depth is always a good thing at this position you know. Then that "Sexy Pick" just might run all over everybody's azz during the season as well as open up a hell of pasiing game. This depends on who is at QB this coming season of course. Hell, i'll be more than happy if they pick up Turner off the Free Agents list. See, i do know a lil about football. I not only played the sport for about 14 yrs. but i am also a coach. So don't talk to me like i don't know what i am talking about.

You kind of proved my point didn't ya. Fix the lines and add some depth? The Texans kind of proved my point in spurts. When the O-line played its best, some mediocre backs picked up good yards on the ground.

Another point about this offense is that you don't have to have a "sexy" back to get the running game going. Just a good O-line. Don't get me wrong. It would be nice to have a "sexy" back in Houston. However, he won't be sexy with the current depth at O-line. Yes. A good running game opens up the passing game. However, without a running game the passing game blows in the Kubiak scheme.

BTW...I don't think I named an individual poster in my post. The posters my previous post were aimed at know who they are. Ingoring the obvious just to get a high dollar marquee player that won't be able to do squat until the O-line is FIXED!

Why do you think P. Manning shakes the hands of his O lineman after the Colts score. Is it because he just wants to be friendly?

He knows where the butter for his bread comes from.

tulexan
01-11-2007, 12:15 PM
You kind of proved my point didn't ya. Fix the lines and add some depth? The Texans kind of proved my point in spurts. When the O-line played its best, some mediocre backs picked up good yards on the ground.

Another point about this offense is that you don't have to have a "sexy" back to get the running game going. Just a good O-line. Don't get me wrong. It would be nice to have a "sexy" back in Houston. However, he won't be sexy with the current depth at O-line. Yes. A good running game opens up the passing game. However, without a running game the passing game blows in the Kubiak scheme.

BTW...I don't think I named an individual poster in my post. The posters my previous post were aimed at know who they are. Ingoring the obvious just to get a high dollar marquee player that won't be able to do squat until the O-line is FIXED!

Why do you think P. Manning shakes the hands of his O lineman after the Colts score. Is it because he just wants to be friendly?

He knows where the butter for his bread comes from.

No one is saying to completely ignore the OL or DL. The only OL who is worth a top 10 pick is Joe Thomas and he won't be available at 8.

Sometimes I think that people forget there are 7 rounds in the draft.

cbnjwill
01-11-2007, 12:20 PM
i have a feeling they will mess the first round pick up again just like last yr. look with game breakers on the board last yr. we take a guy who puts up a whopping 2tackles a game and records 4 sacks in a 16game season, 2 of those were complete gifts from demeco who should have gotten the credit for those sacks. so needless to say im not to confident we will make the right choice in the first round we probably will select a guy who looks like a beast but plays like a puppy dog on the field. lets just hope david carr is finally gone this yr. atleast we can see some improved qb play next season

Imatexanfan
01-11-2007, 06:15 PM
Do you correct people when they say your name wrong. I wouldnt have said anything if it was the first time I saw somebody spell it like that. But I have seen it spelled like that alot the last few days so I felt like I should correct them.

Dude I know what you're saying and all but......................that does not MATTER.

EVERYBODY knows what the guys name is regardless maybe you need to be a teacher or something of that nature. The point is.....nobody cares off topic.:shades:

Bubbajwp
01-11-2007, 06:20 PM
Dude I know what you're saying and all but......................that does not MATTER.

EVERYBODY knows what the guys name is regardless maybe you need to be a teacher or something of that nature. The point is.....nobody cares off topic.:shades:

I know its not a big deal thats why I dont understand why your jumping all over me for correcting you.

thunderkyss
01-11-2007, 08:03 PM
i have a feeling they will mess the first round pick up again just like last yr. look with game breakers on the board last yr. we take a guy who puts up a whopping 2tackles a game and records 4 sacks in a 16game season, 2 of those were complete gifts from demeco who should have gotten the credit for those sacks. so needless to say im not to confident we will make the right choice in the first round we probably will select a guy who looks like a beast but plays like a puppy dog on the field. lets just hope david carr is finally gone this yr. atleast we can see some improved qb play next season

If we're going to give Demeco Credit for all the sacks he missed, then we should give Mario a few that he missed as well. You either sack the guy, or you don't.

In hindsight....... yes I can see how we probably should have drafted a QB. & with the OL we have, the more elusive the better(I say elusive, because we know mobility isn't enough).....

In hindsight.... yes an elite Running back would have helped our running game. But we all saw how long it took that particular running back to get his game on.

In hindsight..... we'd have had a much better draft..... 7 for 7, I'm sure.

unfortunately...... we don't have the gift of hindsight when making our draft selections.

Imatexanfan
01-12-2007, 09:16 PM
Look guys I've heard and I know you heard (if you listen to 610), Smith has already said that they will not draft based on need, but on the best player available. :ok:

He says that when you draft for need, you end up reaching.

I mean, look at the Texans this past year and the 49ers the year before. Mario will be a great player, no doubt, but he was probably the 4th or 5th best available. Regardless of whether we had Carr and Davis, the best talent there was Reggie Bush, followed by Vince, Leinart, and possibly Ferguson. I just still don't understand the choice of a D-lineman when you have a franchise-caliber O-lineman staring you in the face. :shades:

IF we had done that, our butts would have been covered when Davis went out or Carr stunk it up. Same with Alex Smith - they reached because they felt the NEEDED a QB. Had the 49ers gone with someone like Ronnie Brown, Carnell Williams, or Ced Benson, they would have been in the market for a QB last year, in one of the best QB classes ever, with a shot at Leinart, Young, or Cutler. You draft best player available, period.

If Adrian Peterson is there (which IS possible), he's a bigger talent than any safety that will be left on the board. Marshawn Lynch is probably better than any of the safeties as well. As much as I hate them but look at the Titans. They had a ProBowl, potential HoF QB on their roster, went with best available talent at a position they didn't really NEED this year, and :secret: have come away winners.

Need I say more?!:aikido:

thunderkyss
01-12-2007, 09:46 PM
Look guys I've heard and I know you heard (if you listen to 610), Smith has already said that they will not draft based on need, but on the best player available. :ok:

He says that when you draft for need, you end up reaching.

everybody drafts for need. (except for the Lions).... BPA... according to need. That's why all these mock experts will say,"Kitna threw for 4000 yards, and fits well with the Martz' offense, but he isn't the answer, and they need to draft Brady Quinn."

or "Aaron Brooks is pathetic..... the Raiders need to take Jamarcus Russell"

That's why Jamarcus & Brady would be #3 overall & #4 overall if Denver & Arizona had the 1st & second picks in the draft. Because they don't need a QB.

I mean, look at the Texans this past year and the 49ers the year before. Mario will be a great player, no doubt, but he was probably the 4th or 5th best available. Regardless of whether we had Carr and Davis, the best talent there was Reggie Bush, followed by Vince, Leinart, and possibly Ferguson. I just still don't understand the choice of a D-lineman when you have a franchise-caliber O-lineman staring you in the face. :shades:

Because they saw a talent they felt just as good as D'Brickshaw that they thought they'd be able to get in the third round. & with the first pick of the third round, they got him.

Reggie Bush....... too good to be true. I feel sorry for anyone who'd take him in the top 5.

IF we had done that, our butts would have been covered when Davis went out or Carr stunk it up. Same with Alex Smith - they reached because they felt the NEEDED a QB.

I thought Alex Smith was at the top of everybody's draft board....... I thought he was the BPA.

Had the 49ers gone with someone like Ronnie Brown, Carnell Williams, or Ced Benson, they would have been in the market for a QB last year, in one of the best QB classes ever, with a shot at Leinart, Young, or Cutler. You draft best player available, period.

So they'd be sitting there with Frank Gore & Ronnie Brown?? cool, they wouldn't even need a QB. Just direct snap it to the RBs.

If Adrian Peterson is there (which IS possible), he's a bigger talent than any safety that will be left on the board. Marshawn Lynch is probably better than any of the safeties as well. As much as I hate them but look at the Titans. They had a ProBowl, potential HoF QB on their roster, went with best available talent at a position they didn't really NEED this year, and :secret: have come away winners.

Need I say more?!:aikido:

I'm not going to argue with you about Peterson or Lynch....... Maybe they are all that....... & a bag of chips. & I'd like to see that kinda talent on our team.

But remember, they have to pass a character test.

But Titan's not needing a QB?? They were going to take one regardless.... the one they had was too expensive.......... so remember that, next time a talented player(Like T.O.) wants out of a contract they don't believe is fair, because the teams do it all the time...... that's why Larry Allen, & Emmit Smith won't retire Cowboys.

Imatexanfan
01-12-2007, 10:21 PM
WOW TKyss you really picked me out this time :tease: j/k

Nah but look it all comes down to when the draft is and when that day will come the fact of the matter is, they better NOT MESS THIS UP.

** although last year was better than ever**

Dime
01-13-2007, 10:01 AM
Look guys I've heard and I know you heard (if you listen to 610), Smith has already said that they will not draft based on need, but on the best player available. :ok:

He says that when you draft for need, you end up reaching.

I mean, look at the Texans this past year and the 49ers the year before. Mario will be a great player, no doubt, but he was probably the 4th or 5th best available. Regardless of whether we had Carr and Davis, the best talent there was Reggie Bush, followed by Vince, Leinart, and possibly Ferguson. I just still don't understand the choice of a D-lineman when you have a franchise-caliber O-lineman staring you in the face. :shades:

IF we had done that, our butts would have been covered when Davis went out or Carr stunk it up. Same with Alex Smith - they reached because they felt the NEEDED a QB. Had the 49ers gone with someone like Ronnie Brown, Carnell Williams, or Ced Benson, they would have been in the market for a QB last year, in one of the best QB classes ever, with a shot at Leinart, Young, or Cutler. You draft best player available, period.

If Adrian Peterson is there (which IS possible), he's a bigger talent than any safety that will be left on the board. Marshawn Lynch is probably better than any of the safeties as well. As much as I hate them but look at the Titans. They had a ProBowl, potential HoF QB on their roster, went with best available talent at a position they didn't really NEED this year, and :secret: have come away winners.

Need I say more?!:aikido:


I have to say that I 100% disagree with you.

1. Mario does his job by tying up the line SO Ryans can come in and makes plays. If you watch, he blocks sides, is ALWAYS near the play when it ends, and has been a part of what we orginally needed him for. If you dont remember what that was, that was to help defeat the Colts, something we had never done. Put your fingers in your ears and hmm really loud if you want to deny it, but he has contributed already alot in he first year of him being here.. and it will only get better. He was worth the first pick and Reggie wasnt. Get over it.

2. Why in the bloody heck (editted for the kids in the audience) do you want to fill positions that we have decent (decent, but not great) players at and not positions that we have the greatest need. You want to fill the RB position? WHAT? Granted, Lynch and Peterson are going to be good players, but from my count, we need S, FS, CB, DL, maybe someone else on the other side of Mario, OL and even a WR would help. Oh, maybe even someone like QB. Here you are preaching about filling one position what we have the MOST depth at. Amazing.

3. Quit rating the Texans with other teams. We have a great need through and through. You preach VY, but he wouldnt have done as well here, because the Titans, which have need, dont have as much need as we do. It like comparing golf games. Right now, the titans have a few bogeys, but have more pars then bogeys. We have more bogeys, and at times, double bogeys with a occasional par, and one birdie this year (the colts game).

TheCD
01-13-2007, 11:29 AM
If Adrian Peterson is there (which IS possible), he's a bigger talent than any safety that will be left on the board. Marshawn Lynch is probably better than any of the safeties as well. As much as I hate them but look at the Titans. They had a ProBowl, potential HoF QB on their roster, went with best available talent at a position they didn't really NEED this year, and :secret: have come away winners.

Need I say more?!:aikido:



I disagree with you here. The Titans had been very public from the time when they had no intentions of getting rid of McNair that they wanted Young. In fact, it was supposed to be a big deal that McNair had been a mentor of sorts for Young while he was at Texas, and was looking forward to learning under him. Before they dumped McNair (as I understood it, that is), they were looking forward to keeping McNair while Young was in the wings learning the ropes.

MrMeToo
01-13-2007, 11:59 AM
I have to say that I 100% disagree with you.

1. Mario does his job by tying up the line SO Ryans can come in and makes plays. If you watch, he blocks sides, is ALWAYS near the play when it ends, and has been a part of what we orginally needed him for. If you dont remember what that was, that was to help defeat the Colts, something we had never done. Put your fingers in your ears and hmm really loud if you want to deny it, but he has contributed already alot in he first year of him being here.. and it will only get better. He was worth the first pick and Reggie wasnt. Get over it.

2. Why in the bloody heck (editted for the kids in the audience) do you want to fill positions that we have decent (decent, but not great) players at and not positions that we have the greatest need. You want to fill the RB position? WHAT? Granted, Lynch and Peterson are going to be good players, but from my count, we need S, FS, CB, DL, maybe someone else on the other side of Mario, OL and even a WR would help. Oh, maybe even someone like QB. Here you are preaching about filling one position what we have the MOST depth at. Amazing.

3. Quit rating the Texans with other teams. We have a great need through and through. You preach VY, but he wouldnt have done as well here, because the Titans, which have need, dont have as much need as we do. It like comparing golf games. Right now, the titans have a few bogeys, but have more pars then bogeys. We have more bogeys, and at times, double bogeys with a occasional par, and one birdie this year (the colts game).

We got a number 1 pick to be near a play when it ends.Amazinglol:

Dime
01-13-2007, 02:19 PM
We got a number 1 pick to be near a play when it ends.Amazinglol:

Yes... and?

Koolbrz
01-13-2007, 10:18 PM
Look guys I've heard and I know you heard (if you listen to 610), Smith has already said that they will not draft based on need, but on the best player available. :ok:

He says that when you draft for need, you end up reaching.

I mean, look at the Texans this past year and the 49ers the year before. Mario will be a great player, no doubt, but he was probably the 4th or 5th best available. Regardless of whether we had Carr and Davis, the best talent there was Reggie Bush, followed by Vince, Leinart, and possibly Ferguson. I just still don't understand the choice of a D-lineman when you have a franchise-caliber O-lineman staring you in the face. :shades:

IF we had done that, our butts would have been covered when Davis went out or Carr stunk it up. Same with Alex Smith - they reached because they felt the NEEDED a QB. Had the 49ers gone with someone like Ronnie Brown, Carnell Williams, or Ced Benson, they would have been in the market for a QB last year, in one of the best QB classes ever, with a shot at Leinart, Young, or Cutler. You draft best player available, period.

If Adrian Peterson is there (which IS possible), he's a bigger talent than any safety that will be left on the board. Marshawn Lynch is probably better than any of the safeties as well. As much as I hate them but look at the Titans. They had a ProBowl, potential HoF QB on their roster, went with best available talent at a position they didn't really NEED this year, and :secret: have come away winners.

Need I say more?!:aikido:


I so agree with you dude!!

Koolbrz
01-13-2007, 10:33 PM
Reggie Bush....... too good to be true. I feel sorry for anyone who'd take him in the top 5.

I'm not going to argue with you about Peterson or Lynch....... Maybe they are all that....... & a bag of chips. & I'd like to see that kinda talent on our team.


Bush is on his way to the conference championship and had an ok season considering that he is playing behind McAllister. He brings speed, an explosiveness and change of direction like no back Houston has ever had. The guys we have are not even in the same class. Top 5 pick?? I would take him number 1.



I expect to see one of these two guys on the roster for next seson. Peterson or Lynch. To Hell with the BS and go for a stud RB in the first round and be done with it.

touttail
01-14-2007, 11:04 AM
Adrian Peterson couldn't hold up to a 10 game college schedule.
Do you actually think he could with a 16 NFL schedule???

Bobby 119C

stevo3883
01-14-2007, 02:03 PM
Adrian Peterson couldn't hold up to a 10 game college schedule.
Do you actually think he could with a 16 NFL schedule???

Bobby 119C

he broke his collarbone at the end of a 54yard touchdown run. freak injury

Dime
01-14-2007, 02:06 PM
he broke his collarbone at the end of a 54yard touchdown run. freak injury

Ok... then have you even looked at his other years of football?

stevo3883
01-14-2007, 02:13 PM
Ok... then have you even looked at his other years of football?

oh please, Ive followed his career closer than you can imagine. He has no reoccuring injuries, and his only really serious one was a broken collarbone, not a knee.

Koolbrz
01-14-2007, 03:07 PM
Ok... then have you even looked at his other years of football?

Name one RB that has not had some kind of injury. I am talkin about an above averge RB, not a second or third stringer.

Peterson will be fine in the NFL and so will Lynch. The Texans need to pick up one of these two guys in the first rd. They need to try and fill some of there needs through FA and draft an offensive playmaker or two through the draft. They seriously need to take the best player available when the 8th pick comes around. I'm sick and tired of depending on a backfield that has just about avg. talent. It is getting really old, watching this team struggle with the run.

O-line should be better with Spencer coming back healthy, Winston steadly improving, and maybe a couple of solid pick ups in the draft and through F. Agency we should be fine. We need a GAMEBREAKING RB!!!

Don't be surprised if thats exactly what they do.

Toro
01-14-2007, 06:39 PM
oh please, Ive followed his career closer than you can imagine. He has no reoccuring injuries, and his only really serious one was a broken collarbone, not a knee.

The guy suffered a collarbone break and an ankle injury (which he STILL managed to lead the Big 12 in rushing that year, so the injury wasn't hindering of his play by any means).

The only thing that concerns me about Peterson is his upright style of running, but that's nothing that can't be coached.

Seriously, if AP is there at 8, the Texans should consider themselves lucky as all hell, and get him without wasting a second thought.

As for "slapping Dayne in the face", is it such a bad thing to have a quality backup? Hell, now a days, it's almost essential to have a quality backup at HB. Dayne had a nice run to close out the season, no question. But does that mean he's the long term answer?

Dime
01-14-2007, 07:45 PM
Name one RB that has not had some kind of injury. I am talkin about an above averge RB, not a second or third stringer.

Peterson will be fine in the NFL and so will Lynch. The Texans need to pick up one of these two guys in the first rd. They need to try and fill some of there needs through FA and draft an offensive playmaker or two through the draft. They seriously need to take the best player available when the 8th pick comes around. I'm sick and tired of depending on a backfield that has just about avg. talent. It is getting really old, watching this team struggle with the run.

O-line should be better with Spencer coming back healthy, Winston steadly improving, and maybe a couple of solid pick ups in the draft and through F. Agency we should be fine. We need a GAMEBREAKING RB!!!

Don't be surprised if thats exactly what they do.

To answer someone else first.. they stated they have watched Peterson closely. Dude.. I grad'ed from OU. So you think I dont watch it? Get a clue.

Two, There are quite a few Rb's that have been 'hurt' in college, but the NFL hits harder and faster. Which could (not always) produce more injuries to someone more injury pone.

Three, Why in the heck do you think they will draft a RB with the first pick. I dont know what it is in the water for you all but you are dreaming. Kub has the rep to be like Denver and NEVER draft a RB in the first round, its the area that we have the most depth at, and we have much more need in other areas. You keep on talking but you are either in denial or not paying attention. We have people AGAIN setting themselves up for disappointment. I remember people yelling here for Sean Taylor, Derrick Johnson, etc. And they are going to yell again when we pass on RB again.

I mean seriously.. Why can you all understand that Kub is going to do what he feels is best for the team, and has the rep for being part of a football club that NEVER takes first round RBs. If he does, cool.. but dont hold your breath.. you might just die when the draft comes again.

Imatexanfan
01-14-2007, 08:01 PM
:shades: Yea Peterson did have some bad luck with injuries, but his sophomore year he played behind a terrible offensive line and every team in the country was stacking the box for him. This season was no different, but if you look at it, he played a full season and he was over 1000 yds in each season. Lynch is a great back, but he played in the Pac 10, and we don't know how he can hold up in a system that gives him the ball 30+ times a game.

In Adrians freshman year he led the country in attempts with 339 in 13 games. Hell, LaDainian Tomlinson had 348 this year, and we all got to see how many times he touched the ball. :yes:

I just think if he does decide to go pro he's a much better pro prospect, he can pass block, and he can also catch the ball in the open field. I think if he would not gotten hurt he could have had 30-40 catches this year. That being said, when the combine starts he's gonna blow people away. 6'2 220 lbs 4.37 40. He has the frame for a ALL DAY back in the nfl. These injuries were just a bit of bad luck.

I hope im not typing this all for nothing, he's still not even declared yet. If he stays he will be a heisman favorite, and he has a great line to run behind. Also with the success that his backups had this year, theres no reason to run him 30 times a game and take the pressure off him.

FireBlizzard90
01-14-2007, 09:18 PM
Calvin Johnson!!!!

or that Thomas tackle from ?albama?