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Imatexanfan
01-08-2007, 05:56 PM
:secret: Just for those statsperts out there how Kubiak in an effort to get rid of a Capers guy and bring in a Sherman guy goofed up a bit...

note these stats are after the trade:

Morency 91 rushes 421 yards 2 touchdowns
16 receptions 112 yards

Gado 54 rushes 217 yards 1 touchdown
16 receptions 80 yards

Add that to sitting out Lundy too many games at the beginning of the season, not playing Taylor til the last few weeks of the year...makes me wonder how good an evaluator of running backs Kubiak is.

Morency might never be a star/proven starter in this league, but there's a slim chance (who knows, 10%) that he might be. :ok: There is ZERO chance that Gado will be a star/proven starter. He's filler. Keep the kid who just might be a player and hope you get lucky.

This was a bad trade from the get-go.

You trade a guy who is a good back, seems to fit the system perfectly, for Gado? A player that sat on the bench most of the season while Morency was having 100+ yard games? Makes no sense at all to me.

Kubes come on man you gotta make up for this one.:shades:

tulexan
01-08-2007, 05:59 PM
I think Gado was more Sherman than Kubiak

hollywood_texan
01-08-2007, 06:04 PM
I never understood this trade, but time will tell.

Also, I wonder if there are these off balance sheet items that teams keep and pay up a later date.

Example, picking up Moulds last year for a 5th pick. We bailed Buffalo out on that one because they were going to cut him. Maybe there was a handshake deal to be trued-up at a later date?

The Moulds deal doesn't seem like such a good decision now does it? Probably a push at that...

Grid
01-08-2007, 06:04 PM
If ya have a guy on your team that isnt getting the job done like ya want.. and you know he isnt going to be your starter, and you are in a rebuilding mode and really need help at that guys position, I see no harm in trading him for someone else who has potential.

Some players do better in other systems. I dont want to change my system and throw everything into upheavel so that Morency can get 500 yards for us.

I have no issue with this trade.

the wonger need food
01-08-2007, 06:19 PM
Kubiak never like Morency as was evident by his comments about him in the OTA's and preseason. Gado had 6 TD's and almost 600 yards in 5 starts for Green Bay in 2005. Don't know what happened to Gado once he got here, but on paper it was a good trade at the time.


Moulds had a lot to do with Andre Johnson being in the Pro Bowl this year. If Gaffney or Bradford are on the other side Andre probably has another year similar to 2005. Even in a terrible offense Moulds still had a better year than Gaffney ever has.

Double Barrel
01-08-2007, 06:32 PM
I don't think Gado or Morency will/would be on the 2007 Texans anyway. It was a stop-gap trade, IMO, and was not a big part of building for the future.

Imatexanfan
01-08-2007, 06:53 PM
I don't think Gado or Morency will/would be on the 2007 Texans anyway. It was a stop-gap trade, IMO, and was not a big part of building for the future.

Gado did put up good numbers with the Packers last year, I give 'em that but thats when he had to fill in for Green, Davenport, and Fisher.

Out of all those backs, I wish we had picked up Davenport in FA, IMO.:shades:

Morency was the only back we had with good speed, which was very lacking in the RB stable this year. Dayne and Lundy couldn't outrun DTs, let alone safties :tease:

TexanSam
01-08-2007, 06:59 PM
Even had we kept Morency, the idea that either Dayne, Morency, Lundy, or Taylor would be our starting RB next season would make me laugh. All three of those guys are nice guys to come in if someone gets injured, but if any of them were our feature back, I would be a little worried.

TheCD
01-08-2007, 07:12 PM
I think the problem with the backs has mostly been indicative of the linemen learning the system, rather than the RB's. Keep in mind that the RB's are supposed to make the single cut and go into a hole opened by the o-line.

I may be incorrect, but I think the combination of the linemen picking up the system better in the latter part of the season, and Ron Dayne (who we know has experience running in the system) being healthy attributed to our better rushing game. So I think that neither Morency nor Gado really had a chance to do anything this year.

the wonger need food
01-08-2007, 07:15 PM
I may be incorrect, but I think the combination of the linemen picking up the system better in the latter part of the season, and Ron Dayne (who we know has experience running in the system) being healthy attributed to our better rushing game.

Maybe the threat of Ron Dayne running into them and breaking their legs was incentive to block better.

SLO Texan
01-08-2007, 07:26 PM
I think the problem with the backs has mostly been indicative of the linemen learning the system, rather than the RB's. Keep in mind that the RB's are supposed to make the single cut and go into a hole opened by the o-line.

I may be incorrect, but I think the combination of the linemen picking up the system better in the latter part of the season, and Ron Dayne (who we know has experience running in the system) being healthy attributed to our better rushing game. So I think that neither Morency nor Gado really had a chance to do anything this year.


thank you, does anyone here think we actually ran the Zone Blocking System last season? Cuz we did'nt ever do it for more than a couple series per game. Why, because we STILL don't have the lineman it takes to run the thing efficiently as well as it being their first year trying to do it.

People be patient!!! I know it's been 5 yrs but in the big scheme of things in the NFL thats infantcy.Kubiak will bring us to respectability very soon but not tommorow...

thunderkyss
01-08-2007, 07:32 PM
:secret: Just for those statsperts out there how Kubiak in an effort to get rid of a Capers guy and bring in a Sherman guy goofed up a bit...

note these stats are after the trade:

Morency 91 rushes 421 yards 2 touchdowns
16 receptions 112 yards

Gado 54 rushes 217 yards 1 touchdown
16 receptions 80 yards

Add that to sitting out Lundy too many games at the beginning of the season, not playing Taylor til the last few weeks of the year...makes me wonder how good an evaluator of running backs Kubiak is.

Morency might never be a star/proven starter in this league, but there's a slim chance (who knows, 10%) that he might be. :ok: There is ZERO chance that Gado will be a star/proven starter. He's filler. Keep the kid who just might be a player and hope you get lucky.

This was a bad trade from the get-go.

You trade a guy who is a good back, seems to fit the system perfectly, for Gado? A player that sat on the bench most of the season while Morency was having 100+ yard games? Makes no sense at all to me.

Kubes come on man you gotta make up for this one.:shades:

Bad logic. Let's try this one on for size. It's a good thing Indy let Edgering James go. He didn't do crap.

or let's try..... I bet Arizona wishes they'd have drafted Joseph Adai.... imagine Kurt Warner with a rookie running back that ran for 1000 yards.....


It doesn't really work that way does it?? For all we know had Gado stayed in Green Bay, he'd have 1000 yards on the year. Had Vernand stayed here, he probably would have fumbled 3 times this year, and be on his way out of the league.

thunderkyss
01-08-2007, 07:37 PM
I never understood this trade, but time will tell.

Also, I wonder if there are these off balance sheet items that teams keep and pay up a later date.

Example, picking up Moulds last year for a 5th pick. We bailed Buffalo out on that one because they were going to cut him. Maybe there was a handshake deal to be trued-up at a later date?

The Moulds deal doesn't seem like such a good decision now does it? Probably a push at that...

our 6th & 7th round picks haven't made a huge impact on our offense. no reason to assume our 5th round pick would have done any better.

Moulds' problem was that his QB lacked vision. his # of receptions look pitiful...... but I bet they are aweful close to the number of times thrown to.

The problem isn't moulds.

SamuraiSword
01-09-2007, 10:25 AM
I never understood this trade, but time will tell.

Also, I wonder if there are these off balance sheet items that teams keep and pay up a later date.

Example, picking up Moulds last year for a 5th pick. We bailed Buffalo out on that one because they were going to cut him. Maybe there was a handshake deal to be trued-up at a later date?

The Moulds deal doesn't seem like such a good decision now does it? Probably a push at that...

Why do you people dis Moulds when he hardly ever gets the ball thrown to him alot? I like Johnson alot better myself, but Moulds hardly gets the playing time like Johnson does.

SamuraiSword
01-09-2007, 10:28 AM
thank you, does anyone here think we actually ran the Zone Blocking System last season? Cuz we did'nt ever do it for more than a couple series per game. Why, because we STILL don't have the lineman it takes to run the thing efficiently as well as it being their first year trying to do it.

People be patient!!! I know it's been 5 yrs but in the big scheme of things in the NFL thats infantcy.Kubiak will bring us to respectability very soon but not tommorow...

uhm by the third year you should be in the playoffs by now....

real
01-09-2007, 10:43 AM
I'm trying to figure out why Kubiak gets the the credit for everything that was positive about the Broncos offense.

I always thought of him as a good QB guy, but it never really crossed my mind that he had a lot to do with their running game...I never even thought he was great with O-line....that's why he brought in Sherman...right?

Kubiak probaly likes ZBS, but I doubt he is the best person to teach the line how to block it....from a technique standpoint....

He probably liked Portis, Droughns, Bell, and Davis....But I doubt he directly worked with those guys.....much less had a hand in picking them....

nunusguy
01-09-2007, 11:13 AM
Why do you people dis Moulds when he hardly ever gets the ball thrown to him alot? I like Johnson alot better myself, but Moulds hardly gets the playing time like Johnson does.

Even though I like Eric Moulds and the big brother thing he brings
as AJs sideline companion and personal counselor, I dunno what he really adds
to our passing game that we couldn't have had with young Cinci FA Walters ?
Moulds may have been fast at one time, but now he is basically relegated to a role as a possession receiver ? Walters can do that while being young and with the upside factor that is only a fond memory for Eric Moulds.

thunderkyss
01-09-2007, 12:08 PM
I'm trying to figure out why Kubiak gets the the credit for everything that was positive about the Broncos offense.

I always thought of him as a good QB guy, but it never really crossed my mind that he had a lot to do with their running game...I never even thought he was great with O-line....that's why he brought in Sherman...right?

Kubiak probaly likes ZBS, but I doubt he is the best person to teach the line how to block it....from a technique standpoint....

He probably liked Portis, Droughns, Bell, and Davis....But I doubt he directly worked with those guys.....much less had a hand in picking them....

True that...... I thought he was more involved with the offense myself, until coachDent called him and asked him specifics about the OL is taught to do a certain something...

CoachK said,"uh.... I don't know, I'll have to get you in touch with my offensive line guy"...

so you're right, and I wonder who'll be coming in to teach us a new offense this year.

Snapple
01-09-2007, 12:10 PM
Those numbers aren't comparable, because the Packers are far better at run-blocking than the Texans. Plus, Morency got almost twice the number of carries.

Gado is still better than Morency. He outperformed Morency IN GREEN BAY. Compare Gado's 2005 numbers to Morency's 2006 numbers instead, because they're behind the same line.

thunderkyss
01-09-2007, 12:12 PM
Even though I like Eric Moulds and the big brother thing he brings
as AJs sideline companion and personal counselor, I dunno what he really adds
to our passing game that we couldn't have had with young Cinci FA Walters ?
Moulds may have been fast at one time, but now he is basically relegated to a role as a possession receiver ? Walters can do that while being young and with the upside factor that is only a fond memory for Eric Moulds.

So why's it got to be one or the other??

Just like you said, they both bring something to the Texans.

Moulds will only be hear three years or so all together, and if Kubiak could run this offense like he wants to, Walter would be on the field a lot more.

Like I said before, I'm sure David will be here next year, & I'm almost positive he'll be the starter at the beginning of the year. I hope Kubiak pulls out all the stops, and tell David he has to keep up, or get left behind.

jdog
01-09-2007, 12:21 PM
Moulds is better than Walters even if he isn't faster. He knows the tricks of the trade.

real
01-09-2007, 12:22 PM
True that...... I thought he was more involved with the offense myself, until coachDent called him and asked him specifics about the OL is taught to do a certain something...



I've never been to a Texans practice, but just from personal experiences I wouldn't think that the head coach would be involved with any position, except maybe QB....When he was an offensive coordinator, he probably was able to work more closely with the QB's but as the head coach, I think it would be kind of hard to devote too much time to one position...He may devote more time to that position than any other position, but I would think whatever David looked like would be more of a reflection of who's working the closest with him which is probably the O-coordinator...

When I played we ran ZBS....That's pretty much all I've ever ran....The first coach I had was pretty good....But he was a QB when he played...He eventually moved on to be O.Coordinator and QB coach....the former D-line coach who was a former O-Lineman when he played moved over to coach us...the line....

long story short....He taught us things, from a technique standpoint, that our old coach didn't know...or maybe he knew, but he just didn't coach us on....The O-line guy was a much better coach for us, and he made us pretty good.....When I played at North Shore, the head coach was more into the defense....He didn't even really work with any offensive positions...He walked around and looked...but he never really coached anybody....

I really think how a player actually plays is more of a reflection on their position coaches than the head coach....The head coach is responsible for so much, I just think it'd be hard for him to actually put his stamp on so many players and so many positions....

old football fan
01-09-2007, 12:22 PM
Morency is dancing runner like Sanders was with out Sanders ability and didn't fit Kubiak's one cut and go system. I must admit Gado has shown nothing that would help the Texan's running game. Mould's was brought in to be a on the field coach for the WR and for veteran leadership. I think Dayne and Taylor will be back along with Leach. Lundy may be traded for late round pick and Cook traded or released. We will pick up another RB in FA or draft.

real
01-09-2007, 12:26 PM
Gado is still better than Morency. He outperformed Morency IN GREEN BAY. Compare Gado's 2005 numbers to Morency's 2006 numbers instead, because they're behind the same line.

Actually Greenbay started 2 rookies at gaurd, and 1 second year player at center...Im not sure about the tackles but I think they were there last year...

By my count that's atleast 3 new/different players....

canadiantexan
01-09-2007, 12:29 PM
Actually Greenbay started 2 rookies at gaurd, and 1 second year player at center...Im not sure about the tackles but I think they were there last year...

By my count that's atleast 3 new/different players....

Yeah you are right and the tackles were Clifton and Taucsher(sp?) long time NFL tackles.