View Full Version : LORKs Bowl Scouting

01-06-2007, 11:10 PM
I haven't watched as many bowls as I would've liked for as long as I would've liked, but here are what I've seen fromm certain players thus far. I've broke it down by bowls because it would be too long otherwise. First up is the Cotton Bowl, where I got to sit front row because the people who were supposed to sit there never showed up. Well, heres the Cotton Bowl scouting report, the Sugar Bowl and various others will be added later!

David Irons, CB, Auburn – Probably my #1 sleeper pick at this point, he shut down Nebraska’s top WR all day at the Cotton Bowl. I was actually at the game and got to see pre game warm ups on top of the actual game. While Irons doesn’t have the best speed, he’s is very quick and is alert, which is why he always is around the ball. He played best in man coverage, and caught my eye on the short and intermediate routes on how well he covered them. For example, a WR ran a 10 yard in and Irons broke on it at almost the same time and knocked it down. He also made some clean breaks on a slant route and didn’t let the WR catch the ball. He also wasn’t afraid to come up and hit someone either. He’s not the soundest tackler, but he is very physical in his style of play. One little thing I did also notice is he had zero pass interference or holding calls against him.

While it wasn’t a problem against Nebraska, there is the concern of his speed on deep routes. He never had to worry about Nebraska going deep too often because Auburn was great at getting a rush on Nebraska, but his speed is in question. Another concern is that he gets injured too easily, and he actually went down on a punt for a few minutes (this could be related to his physical style of play). He did return later however, so he’s at least willing to battle the injuries. Overall, Irons isn’t the best in terms of measurables, but is a gamer CB who puts himself in great position to make plays and reminds me a lot of Nathan Vasher.

Kenny Irons, RB, Auburn – Kenny looked alright, but wasn’t impressive and his backup caught my eye more than he did. On the plus side, he has decent size and had good quickness which helped him make people miss. He also had good vision and the ability to pick the right hole. The effort he gave was also noticeable, and he has the ability to catch and run the ball.

However, he was never strong enough to break any tackles and it seemed that he was limited in his moves to free himself when running in the middle. He struggled against Nebraska and went down pretty easily which could be a concern in the NFL. He had a couple nice runs when he was able to get to the outside, but he struggles getting there on a consistent basis and needs to learn to run better in the middle using vision rather than quickness. Overall, Irons doesn’t look like a bad prospect, but it seemed to me that he requires a lot of help from his O Line to break the long run.

Ben Tate, RB, Auburn – This is Irons backup and this guy looks like a total badass. He’s only a freshman, has great size (6’1”, 215), and is extremely quick. On one play, he turned at least a 5 yard loss into a 3 yard gain. I know it doesn’t sound like much, but he made Adam Carriker and a few other Huskers miss to get those yards using great quickness and good change of direction skills. I know it’s early, but he is definitely a guy to keep an eye on in the future and possibly the next great RB from Auburn.

Courtney Taylor, WR, Auburn – I actually forgot about him until game time, but he looked good. He doesn’t have great speed by any means, but uses his size to his advantage and has great hands. He looked best on short/intermediate routes because of a quick burst he has coming out of his stance. He also was able to make an incredible catch over a Nebraska CB while taking a hit in that made him stay down for a few minutes. He didn’t drop a pass all day and that reliability is always a good thing to have. He wasn’t afraid to be physical, so that should come in handy in the NFL.

On the negative size, is his speed which nobody should fear. This leads to the problem of needing to run better routes to get separation. Because of this, he also isn’t a huge playmaking WR. As long as he can work on his route running to negate his speed, he should be fine. He won’t be a deep threat in the NFL by any means, but Taylor looks like a good #2, possession WR.

Grubbs and Duckworth, OGs, Auburn – Both look like impressive prospects, and both of them remind me of the bodyguard O Line brothers from “The Replacements”. Anyways, Grubbs was the better of the two in my mind, but Duckworth is definitely underrated. Grubbs looked athletic for his size and moved very fluidly and well. He wasn’t extremely physical, but did a very nice job of walling off his man at the point of attack. He looked very impressive in pass protection as well; he was alert and helped out when needed (almost all the sacks Nebraska had came from the outside). Duckworth is the more physical of the two, and it’s fair to say he’s a mauler. He’s just as big as Grubbs, but more of the physical type and isn’t as athletic. He looks great when run blocking, but needs to get better in pass pro. To put it simply, Grubbs would be great in a zone blocking scheme, while Duckworth should be fine in a man blocking scheme.

Adam Carriker, DE, Nebraska – First off, this guy is HUGE! He’s about 6’6” 290 and is just a big guy in general. The other thing I noticed about him is that he’s actually pretty athletic and versatile for his size. Nebraska used him wisely and he played both DE and DT in the game (usually they ran inside stunts with him as well). He isn’t very fast, but is quick and is very strong. He is a strong tackler, and most people don’t get away from him. His best skill however is how quick he is at getting to the QB. He uses his size and strength well when rushing the QB and uses it to get OTs off balance and then overwhelms them.

On the negative side, he is a tweener in terms of what position he’ll play in the NFL. While he has the size and ability to be a traditional 4-3 DE, I think his best bet would be playing in a 3-4 as a DE. He’s got the size, strength, and is a good pass rusher in his own right. Other than that, he just needs to keep working hard.

Jay Moore, DE, Nebraska – Another sleeper pick that I like. He’s got great size for a DE 6’4” 275) and is athletic. He plays the run very well, and is pretty good when it comes to getting to the QB. He isn’t overly fast or strong, but is very aware and does a good job getting pressure on the QB. The best thing about him is that he’s a hard worker and is always hustling. One play he missed the initial tackle, but kept hustling and got it a few seconds later and saved a big gain.

However, his pass rushes weren’t always successful and it looked like he had limited pass rushing moves. It seems that when he gets locked up, its over and he struggles to fight when it happens. You also have to wonder how much potential he really has because of how hard of a worker he really is. Overall, Moore has been in the shadow of Carriker and might be able to break out of his shadow. In a sense, it could be the case with Manny Lawson and Mario Williams and how Manny being in his shadow was both good and bad (on a much, much smaller and not as talented scale of course).

Stewart Bradley and Bo Ruud, LB, Nebraska – Bradley didn’t do too much to impress me, but didn’t do anything to really disappoint me either. Measurement wise, he’s real big for a LB (6’4” 250), but isn’t overly athletic or fast. His strength is his tackling and he was always around the ball. He seemed instinctive when he was playing. However, he is far from a playmaker and seems more so one dimensional.

Ruud on the other hand looks like a great player and is a true playmaker for Nebraska. For starters, he has real good size at 6’3” 235 and is very athletic. He moves very well laterally and reads plays fairly well. What’s even better is that he is a good blitzer and is effective in pass coverage. In fact, he jumped a route in which he could’ve returned for a TD (he didn’t catch it). The one thing Ruud needs to work on is consistency. He’s a great playmaker, but needs to be more consistent and work on always getting involved on plays.

01-07-2007, 12:30 AM
We've beat the mods over the head to sitcky a thread for this ? Do we have cooties or something ? You're imput is great and welcomed.

01-07-2007, 08:56 AM
He is a guy that is playing Monday night. I think he would add exceptional depth to the D Line.



01-07-2007, 11:17 AM
We've beat the mods over the head to sitcky a thread for this ? Do we have cooties or something ? You're imput is great and welcomed.
Lol thanks. It doesnt matter if this gets stickied, i'll keeo it alive for as longs as possible anyways.

01-07-2007, 11:19 AM
He is a guy that is playing Monday night. I think he would add exceptional depth to the D Line.


I actually haven't been that impressed by Pitcock this season when I watched him against Michigan. He was never able to get great penetration on running plays, and wasn't effective at all on passing plays. Never hurts to watch again, this will be his redemption game!

01-11-2007, 10:23 PM
Desmond Bishop, LB, Cal – Talk about a playmaker. This guy was all over the field against A&M making tackles. For starters, he’s got great size at around 6’2” 243 lbs. In terms of his style of play, he’s very physical and plays faster than he’s timed at. He hits hard and is always around the ball which is definitely what you look for in a LB. The biggest thing coming in to his senior season was can he do more than tackle and he certainly answered that this year by being 1st on the team in tackles, 4th in sacks, and 2nd in INTs.

On the negative side, I think he tends to be too aggressive at times and can over react on plays because of it. Also, his timed speed has also been questioned, even though he plays faster than he’s timed at. Other than that, he just needs to get better at reading plays and not over react to plays and he’ll be great at the next level. He has everything he needs to succeed, and could possibly even switch to the strong side if he wanted to. In short, he’s another one of those players who just knows how to play football.

Marshawn Lynch, RB, Cal – I don’t really know what it is, but I don’t feel as solid about Lynch as I feel I should. From a measurables standpoint, he’s got great size at about 5’11” 215 and has around 4.45 speed. His potential is also just as great, as he has good vision and can catch as well as run the ball. He also can move well in space and has great agility. Most importantly, he was very consistent as he never had a game under 50 yards or a YPC under 4.4.

On the negative side however, I feel that he requires too much help from his O Line to break the long runs. He also doesn’t break many tackles too, and because of that can run in trouble if he gets stopped in the backfield. Overall, Lynch has great potential and was extremely productive in college, but how well he does in the pros will be extremely contingent on the offense he ends up in.

Brandon Mebane, DT, Cal – He’s definitely a guy that’s been flying under the radar. For starters he’s about 6’3” 295, but when I saw him play I thought he was at least 40 pounds heavier because of how strong he played. The first thing that jumped out at me when I saw him play was that he was disruptive. Right off the bat, he did a good job getting penetration on run plays. It wasn’t always effective as it lead him to over run plays every now and then, but for the most part it was great to see. He also used this to his advantage in getting to the QB and disrupting passing plays. His quickness and athletic ability also helped him out as he was able to run stunts and be a true team player. After reading up on him more, I saw that he has been extremely productive since his sophomore year.

On the negative side is his upside. He plays great, but I have to wonder how much of his success will translate to the pros. Again, like most players he needs to build consistency, but more so in the pass rushing department. He was off or on when it came to rushing the passer in that he was either there in a heartbeat or stopped from the start. It also wouldn’t hurt to get bigger in terms of size. Overall, Mebane is one of my favorite prospects because of how well he plays and his experience. He could experience some turmoil in the pros because of limited upside, but if he keeps working as hard as he does, he should be very successful as he’s got a great work ethic and desire to succeed.

Daymeion Hughes, CB, Cal – I didn’t really get a good chance to see him because A&M wasn’t successful passing the ball and focused more on running the ball, so here’s what I’ve seen from him all year (which unfortunately isn’t as much as I would’ve liked. For starters, he’s got good size at around 6’2” 190, but isn’t fast in terms of timed speed. His quickness is also in question, but he makes great breaks on the ball and is incredibly aware. He also has great hands, and is considered a ball hawk because he always finds a way to put himself in position to pick off passes which is his greatest skill. He also isn’t afraid to come up and help in run support.

As far as negatives, they are just as overwhelming as the positives. For starters, like I said above his speed is in serious question. He’s had problems covering faster WRs and can get beat on deeper routes. Also, he falls for PA too often and bites on double moves. For example, against USC he bit on a PA play and he bit hard and wasn’t able to get close to catching him. Overall, Hughes is a great CB but lacks speed and needs to work on not being fooled by double moves. Speed can’t be fixed unfortunately so how he does in the pros will be reliable on what scheme he ends up with. If he has a Safety on top of him to rely on, he’ll do fine. Just don’t trust leaving him by himself on blitzes unless the defense gets there quickly.

DeSean Jackson, WR, Cal – USC has Gable, Ohio State has Ginn, Florida has Harvin, and Cal has Jackson. He is a speedster WR who is great on reverses, deep passes, and multiple other ways. From a measurable standpoint he has good height (6’0”), but is more on the frail side at only 170 pounds. He is still raw as a WR, but has potential to be a good WR in the future.

Justin Warren, ILB, Texas A&M – Justin Warren is the only A&M player who is worthy of a draft pick this year that I paid a decent amount of attention to. He’s got great size at 6’3” 240 and strength. He plays the run really well, and is a tackling machine in the middle. However, from what I saw that’s all he does well. While he has decent athleticism, his speed is sub par and it limits what he can do in the middle Because of this, he isn’t anything special and coverage and seems to be one dimensional. From what I saw, he reminds me of Jay Foreman and would best be suited in a 3-4.

Courtney Lewis, RB, Texas A&M – He didn’t look impressive, but then again he got only 1 carry. He started his career off great with 1000 yards, but has been on the decline and losing carries ever since. He has decent size at 6’0” 205, but his speed is sub par and he is going to make anyone miss too many tackles. His strength isn’t anything special either. Overall, I don’t think much of him and I wouldn’t be surprised if he was a very late round pick or a UDFA.