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Imatexanfan
01-06-2007, 09:13 PM
Somone a week or so ago said the draft is always a crap shoot, and I think this year those two words ring true.

The top prospects each have glaring problems or are just not playing up to par in their last college games (Quinn, Landry). But Mr. JaMarcus Russell looks pretty impressive and at 6'5" 250 he can plow over defenders. He is not run happy but when he does run, look out. When there was no one open he threw it away, unlike Quinn, in the bowl game.:secret:

Look if he declares for the draft and is still available with our 8th pick, I don't see how we could pass him up, unless its like the VY "policy" if ya know what I mean, if not......its on another thread (LONG STORY).

Peterson will always have the injury stigma. :hides:

Lynch to me looks like the second coming of Cedric Benson (you know the guy who carries Thomas Jones suitcases)

Joe Thomas (Wisconsin) is the one outstanding lineman and that is good, even though I'm all for it I still don't know, you know what I mean?! :shades:

I say just spin Mattress Mac around blindfold in front of the draftboard and let him pin a tail on a someone's name and we'll get the same results, well kinda, unless it requires of trading Carr for Vick. :)

mexican_texan
01-06-2007, 09:15 PM
Neither of those guys should be there when we pick.

Second Honeymoon
01-06-2007, 09:20 PM
If they didn't draft VY there is no way in hell they will draft Russell. We need to hope Gaines Adams, Leon Hall, or Branch are available when we pick. If we get any of those 3 guys I would consider the 1st Round a success. Joe Thomas or Calvin Johnson are going to be long gone and they are the elite prospects imho. AP would be be included with them but he has the injury stigma and the high mileage on his tires courtesy of Stoops. If AP is available at #8 I think we should look hard at him. The fact that he was willing to do so much to help his team says measures for his character, heart, and competitive fire....even if it was to the detriment of his physical condition.

oh and Lynch is garbage imho. Just another Tedford-style product West Coast stat factory ala JJ Arrington.

If Sam Baker OT grades well in the combines I wouldnt be against us using the #8 on him as well.

I was on the Draft Landry bandwagon earlier cause it was such an area of need but from what I saw in the Sugar Bowl, I didn't see all that much to show he merits that early of a pick. He was always around the ball so he can read the QB but I didn't see the physical tools taht would validate such an early pick.

Imatexanfan
01-06-2007, 09:20 PM
ayight

Imatexanfan
01-06-2007, 09:21 PM
WHATEVER "MEXICAN"!!!::tease:

mexican_texan
01-06-2007, 09:24 PM
WHATEVER "MEXICAN"!!!::tease:
http://forums.houstontexans.com/forumdisplay.php?f=13

Ask the people that know.

Wait...didn't see Lynch, thought you were still talking about AP. I don't really want him at 8.

tulexan
01-06-2007, 09:24 PM
Somone a week or so ago said the draft is always a crap shoot, and I think this year those two words ring true.

The top prospects each have glaring problems or are just not playing up to par in their last college games (Quinn, Landry). But Mr. JaMarcus Russell looks pretty impressive and at 6'5" 250 he can plow over defenders. He is not run happy but when he does run, look out. When there was no one open he threw it away, unlike Quinn, in the bowl game.:secret:

Look if he declares for the draft and is still available with our 8th pick, I don't see how we could pass him up, unless its like the VY "policy" if ya know what I mean, if not......its on another thread (LONG STORY).

Peterson will always have the injury stigma. :hides:

Lynch to me looks like the second coming of Cedric Benson (you know the guy who carries Thomas Jones suitcases)

Joe Thomas (Wisconsin) is the one outstanding lineman and that is good, even though I'm all for it I still don't know, you know what I mean?! :shades:

I say just spin Mattress Mac around blindfold in front of the draftboard and let him pin a tail on a someone's name and we'll get the same results, well kinda, unless it requires of trading Carr for Vick. :)

A) JaMarcus Russell will not be there at 8 so the point is moot

B) Peterson's injuries have not been chronic and should not be recurring. Anyone can get a high ankle sprain and the broken collar bone was a freak injury. He does not have any structural damage and should be fine.

C) Lynch is a totally different player than Benson. Benson is closer to Peterson than he is to Lynch. With his versatility, you could compare him to a poor man's Tomlinson.

D) Joe Thomas has no chance of being available when the Texans pick.

TEXANRED
01-06-2007, 09:25 PM
Somone a week or so ago said the draft is always a crap shoot, and I think this year those two words ring true.

The top prospects each have glaring problems or are just not playing up to par in their last college games (Quinn, Landry). But Mr. JaMarcus Russell looks pretty impressive and at 6'5" 250 he can plow over defenders. He is not run happy but when he does run, look out. When there was no one open he threw it away, unlike Quinn, in the bowl game.:secret:

Look if he declares for the draft and is still available with our 8th pick, I don't see how we could pass him up, unless its like the VY "policy" if ya know what I mean, if not......its on another thread (LONG STORY).

Peterson will always have the injury stigma. :hides:

Lynch to me looks like the second coming of Cedric Benson (you know the guy who carries Thomas Jones suitcases)

Joe Thomas (Wisconsin) is the one outstanding lineman and that is good, even though I'm all for it I still don't know, you know what I mean?! :shades:

I say just spin Mattress Mac around blindfold in front of the draftboard and let him pin a tail on a someone's name and we'll get the same results, well kinda, unless it requires of trading Carr for Vick. :)

Are we still going with McNair is a racist? I forget, what color is Mario and how much money was he given? What color is Rick Smith?

I wouldn't trade the young core of our Defense for any QB. The future for our D is bright b/c of Mario, otherwise we are starting Peek and Babin or Babin and Kalu. We have a strong, young, defensive core that should be dominant with a good free agency and another strong draft. If Landry and Russell are there at 8 I would take Landry. Of course I am a defensive guy.


If you wanna win, and win in the AFC South, you better have a defense.

Imatexanfan
01-06-2007, 09:27 PM
A) JaMarcus Russell will not be there at 8 so the point is moot

B) Peterson's injuries have not been chronic and should not be recurring. Anyone can get a high ankle sprain and the broken collar bone was a freak injury. He does not have any structural damage and should be fine.

C) Lynch is a totally different player than Benson. Benson is closer to Peterson than he is to Lynch. With his versatility, you could compare him to a poor man's Tomlinson.

D) Joe Thomas has no chance of being available when the Texans pick.

"Poor man's Tomlinson" wow thats hilarious.:shades:

Second Honeymoon
01-06-2007, 09:27 PM
Are we still going with McNair is a racist? I forget, what color is Mario and how much money was he given? What color is Rick Smith?

Everyone knows that the only racist owner in town is Drayton McKKKlane. McNair is only guilty of being stubborn for not admitting failure and moving on last offseason.

Second Honeymoon
01-06-2007, 09:28 PM
"Poor man's Tomlinson" wow thats hilarious.:shades:

yeah, I thought it was too. Lynch is JJ Arrington: Part Deux.

tulexan
01-06-2007, 09:30 PM
"Poor man's Tomlinson" wow thats hilarious.:shades:

Tomlinson is a one of a kind player, there isn't anyone like him and won't be for a long time. It is in no way a criticism of Lynch. It is not like I said a poor man's Kevan Barlow.

Hence a "Poor Man's Tomlinson"

Imatexanfan
01-06-2007, 09:33 PM
Tomlinson is a one of a kind player, there isn't anyone like him and won't be for a long time. It is in no way a criticism of Lynch. It is not like I said a poor man's Kevan Barlow.

Hence a "Poor Man's Tomlinson"

YEA AND TO THINK HE CAME FROM TEXAS!!!!!!!!! Thats even more funny, considering all the "yankee talk" on yahoo.:shades:

tulexan
01-06-2007, 09:48 PM
yeah, I thought it was too. Lynch is JJ Arrington: Part Deux.

You can't say that a player will be bad because of where they come from. So JJ Arrington was bad, does that mean every Cal RB will be bad from here on out? Does that mean that Vince Young will be bad because Chris Simms is bad? Or Jay Cutler because he went to Vanderbilt?

Would it have made a difference if he chose to go to UCLA, USC, ASU, or Oregon? The other schools that he passed up to go to Cal. He was the #2 prospect coming out of high school that year behind Peterson.

If you are going to criticize someone, make sure you have sound logic behind your argument, not arbitrary facts that are irrelevant to performance.

mexican_texan
01-06-2007, 09:49 PM
You can't say that a player will be bad because of where they come from. So JJ Arrington was bad, does that mean every Cal RB will be bad from here on out? Does that mean that Vince Young will be bad because Chris Simms is bad? Or Jay Cutler because he went to Vanderbilt?

Would it have made a difference if he chose to go to UCLA, USC, ASU, or Oregon? The other schools that he passed up to go to Cal. He was the #2 prospect coming out of high school that year behind Peterson.

If you are going to criticize someone, make sure you have sound logic behind your argument, not arbitrary facts that are irrelevant to performance.
In college, that could mean a RB system.

tulexan
01-06-2007, 09:56 PM
In college, that could mean a RB system.

True, which is why you have to kick the tires so to speak. There is a big difference between saying "this guy sucks because he went to x school and y player sucked" and saying "this guy sucks because he doesn't have talent".

Mr. White
01-06-2007, 09:59 PM
I'm with Tulexan here. Marshawn Lynch has the best chance of being around at 8 out of all these guys that are being mentioned.

Since it looks like Ron Dayne's here to stay, I think that Lynch would be the best compliment to him in our running game. Lynch could catch these 3-4 yard passes and make some guys miss and rack up some YAC.

TEXANRED
01-06-2007, 10:00 PM
True, which is why you have to kick the tires so to speak. There is a big difference between saying "this guy sucks because he went to x school and y player sucked" and saying "this guy sucks because he doesn't have talent".

BJ Symons put up good numbers but was considered a product of the system.

Its fair to say the Aggie running backs of the 90's were good in college b/c of the system they ran.

Ware was a product of UH's system.

tulexan
01-06-2007, 10:11 PM
BJ Symons put up good numbers but was considered a product of the system.

Its fair to say the Aggie running backs of the 90's were good in college b/c of the system they ran.

Ware was a product of UH's system.


How is that different from what I just said?

I said that you can take that into consideration, but you can't just make a blanket statement that someone is bad just because they played at a particular school.

Second Honeymoon said that Lynch is Arrington part deux, which implies that he will struggle in the league because Arrington is currently struggling and like Lynch was a Cal Bear. Now one thing is that you could make an argument that for all we know, Arrington could be better than he looks because of Edgerrin James' struggle in Arizona as well, the other thing you could (and should) bring that into the big picture about the prospect when evaluating him. But you don't avoid a big time prospect like him just because he went to Cal.

TEXANRED
01-06-2007, 10:18 PM
How is that different from what I just said?

I said that you can take that into consideration, but you can't just make a blanket statement that someone is bad just because they played at a particular school.

Second Honeymoon said that Lynch is Arrington part deux, which implies that he will struggle in the league because Arrington is currently struggling and like Lynch was a Cal Bear. Now one thing is that you could make an argument that for all we know, Arrington could be better than he looks because of Edgerrin James' struggle in Arizona as well, the other thing you could (and should) bring that into the big picture about the prospect when evaluating him. But you don't avoid a big time prospect like him just because he went to Cal.

I was adding to your comment. Backing you up a little.

dirty steve
01-06-2007, 10:22 PM
Everyone knows that the only racist owner in town is Drayton McKKKlane. McNair is only guilty of being stubborn for not admitting failure and moving on last offseason.
that's why his second highest ranking player personnel is Assistant General Manager Ricky Bennett, an African Amercian. he also employs Enos Cabell and James Rodney Richard, former Astro greats who hold various prominent public relations positions with the club. they also retired Jimmy Wynn's number #24 in June 2005. i think he's black also. they also signed PANAMANIAN Carlos Lee, a minority, to the largest contract in club history and were willing to do the same for Puerto Rican Carlos Beltran in the winter of 2004.

Doug
01-06-2007, 10:24 PM
IMO, I don't think we'll be taking anyone with the eigth pick because we'll trade it away. No actual thought process, just a hunch.

DominickDavisFan76
01-06-2007, 10:35 PM
honestly why does everyone talk about the draft...i mean we aren't gonna end up with who everyone is talking about

everyone is thinking JaMarcus Russell, but i think Kubiak really wants Carr to succeed in this system, for example

everyone was thinking Reggie Bush, then 1 day before the draft we went with Mario Williams, i agree it was a good pick, but after that im just not wasting my time with talk that most likely won't happen

Doug
01-06-2007, 11:05 PM
honestly why does everyone talk about the draft...i mean we aren't gonna end up with who everyone is talking about

everyone is thinking JaMarcus Russell, but i think Kubiak really wants Carr to succeed in this system, for example

everyone was thinking Reggie Bush, then 1 day before the draft we went with Mario Williams, i agree it was a good pick, but after that im just not wasting my time with talk that most likely won't happen

Because, for quite a few people it's good conversation, and fun to hear different opinions, as well as speculate on things. It's crazy fun football talk! :gathering:

tulexan
01-06-2007, 11:07 PM
Because, for quite a few people it's good conversation, and fun to hear different opinions, as well as speculate on things. It's crazy fun football talk! :gathering:


Also, if you haven't noticed, the Texans are not playing right now and won't be until the summer. So for now free agency and the draft is the talk of the town.

NATHANHALE
01-06-2007, 11:21 PM
Somone a week or so ago said the draft is always a crap shoot, and I think this year those two words ring true.

The top prospects each have glaring problems or are just not playing up to par in their last college games (Quinn, Landry). But Mr. JaMarcus Russell looks pretty impressive and at 6'5" 250 he can plow over defenders. He is not run happy but when he does run, look out. When there was no one open he threw it away, unlike Quinn, in the bowl game.:secret:

Look if he declares for the draft and is still available with our 8th pick, I don't see how we could pass him up, unless its like the VY "policy" if ya know what I mean, if not......its on another thread (LONG STORY).

Peterson will always have the injury stigma. :hides:

Lynch to me looks like the second coming of Cedric Benson (you know the guy who carries Thomas Jones suitcases)

Joe Thomas (Wisconsin) is the one outstanding lineman and that is good, even though I'm all for it I still don't know, you know what I mean?! :shades:

I say just spin Mattress Mac around blindfold in front of the draftboard and let him pin a tail on a someone's name and we'll get the same results, well kinda, unless it requires of trading Carr for Vick. :)

Awhile back, I read a good article about Cedric Benson and other RB's in his 'shoes.' The article stated an RB's body could only take so many 'carries' during a players life time before it was 'wore' out and ineffective. Through high school and college, Benson was a 'ball hog' and seldom injured---lots and lots of carries--which means his 'gas tank' is not full...too, he has not been helped by his rookie hold-out and 'attitude.'

My point is that-if we draft a RB on the first day (especially someone in RD 1)-we need to look at both his injury history and his 'wear and tear' status, as well.

tulexan
01-06-2007, 11:29 PM
Well for this argument (i.e. Marshawn Lynch is the second coming of Cedric Benson).

Benson had almost 1200 carries while in college v. Lynch who had under 500.

threetoedpete
01-07-2007, 01:30 AM
You can't say that a player will be bad because of where they come from. So JJ Arrington was bad, does that mean every Cal RB will be bad from here on out? Does that mean that Vince Young will be bad because Chris Simms is bad? Or Jay Cutler because he went to Vanderbilt?

Would it have made a difference if he chose to go to UCLA, USC, ASU, or Oregon? The other schools that he passed up to go to Cal. He was the #2 prospect coming out of high school that year behind Peterson.

If you are going to criticize someone, make sure you have sound logic behind your argument, not arbitrary facts that are irrelevant to performance.

Well I saw Mr. Mashawn get stuffed on third and short. one on one on a goal line play in their bowl game. I'm sure it happened, I don't recall Ladainian ever getting stuffed in that situation. Going by your logic....that makes Lorenzo Booker a high prospect for us, also. He fits your sircumstances. A lot of folks like him on this board. I hope if he's there @ the eight, they've sniffed the guy and move back with a trade. I can see the logic, although I think it's failed logic, on taking All Day. I can see the logic taking Ginn Jr streching a tampa II. But Lynch is not Curtis Martin and is never going to be. Even in this offense. JMHO. If they take him @ 8 with our holes...it's a reach.

Second Honeymoon
01-07-2007, 02:10 AM
I like Booker more than Lynch as a pro prospect. I just don't trust players from any Tedford-style system. Call me crazy but I just don't like 'system' players.

My point is that JJ Arrington looked great in college in that system and stunk in NFL. Let's go the safe route in this 1st Round. We can get just as good a RB in the 2nd or 3rd round.

SamuraiSword
01-07-2007, 03:20 AM
honestly why does everyone talk about the draft...i mean we aren't gonna end up with who everyone is talking about

everyone is thinking JaMarcus Russell, but i think Kubiak really wants Carr to succeed in this system, for example

everyone was thinking Reggie Bush, then 1 day before the draft we went with Mario Williams, i agree it was a good pick, but after that im just not wasting my time with talk that most likely won't happen



Did you by chance listen to Rick Smith's invertview on 790 on Januarary 5th? It doesn't look good for Carr from what I heard.

whiskeyrbl
01-07-2007, 08:19 AM
I think we will try to trade down to #15 or #16 (Pitt. or G.B.) if possible and pick up an extra 2nd rd'er. There will still be some impact players available at these spots to fit our many needs.

yourfavoritetexan42
01-07-2007, 10:17 AM
We cannot really build much in this years draft. As good as last years class was, is how bad this years is. I just don't see any solid talent.

TheRealJoker
01-07-2007, 10:21 AM
We cannot really build much in this years draft. As good as last years class was, is how bad this years is. I just don't see any solid talent.

So was Marques Colston and Mark Anderson top tier talent in the last draft?

Just because this draft isnt as hyped up as the last draft doesn't mean that it cant yield some good players that can help out this football team.

Imatexanfan
01-07-2007, 02:09 PM
I'd rather have Russell seriously but I kinda don't see him being available. :hides:

I rate a draft by position, not by 1 through 100, so I look at things a little differently. It's probably wrong, and always has been, but that's what I think is the way to go.

I look at a draft and say:

Quarterbacks

1. J. Russell & :secret: K. Kolb A
2. T. Smith A-
3. B. Quin A-
4. D. Tate B

Running Backs

1. Lynch A
2. Peterson A
3. Bush B

Cornerback

1. Hall A
2. McCauley A
3. Ross A-

(I also tag all safeties as free or strong and it makes a difference depending on what you need and what your division looks like in terms of opponent offense.)

Free safety

1. Nelson A
2. Griffin A-
3. Zbikowski A-
4. Landry B

Strong safety

1. Landry A-
2. Griffin A-
3. Nelson B+
4. Zbikowski B

And then I decide what a team needs. If you don't need a safety, but you do need a corner, I go ahead and take an A- corner over an A safety, but I don't take a B over an A. :yes:

I would take Hall over Lynch because of our needs, and I feel he grades either just the same as Lynch or slightly higher, but I'd take Lynch over Landry because I feel like we need a free safety type who can cover a slot receiver, play centerfield, and protect our weaker corners, not a strong safety type.

I would probably rather have Lynch than Nelson because I rate them similarly at their positions, and I feel like (1) we need a back worse than a safety, and (2) we can pick up a better safety than RB in the second round.

Confusing and maybe not smart and maybe that's why I don't have a job in a front office, I just do what it do. :shades:

stingray
01-07-2007, 02:15 PM
Who says Arrington is bad. I mean, look at Edge. He looked like an ordinary back in Arizona with that Horrible OL. I think arrington would be ok with another team.

GP
01-07-2007, 04:40 PM
If they didn't draft VY there is no way in hell they will draft Russell. We need to hope Gaines Adams, Leon Hall, or Branch are available when we pick. If we get any of those 3 guys I would consider the 1st Round a success. Joe Thomas or Calvin Johnson are going to be long gone and they are the elite prospects imho. AP would be be included with them but he has the injury stigma and the high mileage on his tires courtesy of Stoops. If AP is available at #8 I think we should look hard at him. The fact that he was willing to do so much to help his team says measures for his character, heart, and competitive fire....even if it was to the detriment of his physical condition.

oh and Lynch is garbage imho. Just another Tedford-style product West Coast stat factory ala JJ Arrington.

If Sam Baker OT grades well in the combines I wouldnt be against us using the #8 on him as well.

I was on the Draft Landry bandwagon earlier cause it was such an area of need but from what I saw in the Sugar Bowl, I didn't see all that much to show he merits that early of a pick. He was always around the ball so he can read the QB but I didn't see the physical tools taht would validate such an early pick.

I agree with you (for a change).

The teams ahead of us in the draft are teams that are always drafting high each year: They are like people who pan for gold, or buy lottery tickets, thinking they will strike it rich in a quick and easy fashion.

Other than Robert Gallery, when have the Raiders NOT taken the hyped up QB or RB or WR? The Browns, the Raiders, the Lions, the Cardinals, they all shot for the flashy pick that can make them the talk of the town...and it always gets them right back into the top draft spots every year.

I'm with you: If Branch or Adams is there....RUN to the commissioner. If AP is there, it is tough to ignore his determination and his ability to will himself on each run. But his injury issue is a concern.

Thomas will be gone. Calvin Johnson will be gone. Jemarcus Russell will be gone. We might actually luck out and get to pick up one of the stud DL prospects.

But I still lay 50-50 on us trading down a few spots and more than likely to get an extra pick AND still pick up Landry at the FS spot.

It's not a gamble if you refuse to act like the Lions/Browns/Raiders/Cardinals. How good SHOULD those teams be when it seems they've been picking 1-2-3-4 for so many years?

Insideop
01-07-2007, 04:59 PM
If they didn't draft VY there is no way in hell they will draft Russell. We need to hope Gaines Adams, Leon Hall, or Branch are available when we pick. If we get any of those 3 guys I would consider the 1st Round a success. Joe Thomas or Calvin Johnson are going to be long gone and they are the elite prospects imho. AP would be be included with them but he has the injury stigma and the high mileage on his tires courtesy of Stoops. If AP is available at #8 I think we should look hard at him. The fact that he was willing to do so much to help his team says measures for his character, heart, and competitive fire....even if it was to the detriment of his physical condition.

oh and Lynch is garbage imho. Just another Tedford-style product West Coast stat factory ala JJ Arrington.

If Sam Baker OT grades well in the combines I wouldnt be against us using the #8 on him as well.
I was on the Draft Landry bandwagon earlier cause it was such an area of need but from what I saw in the Sugar Bowl, I didn't see all that much to show he merits that early of a pick. He was always around the ball so he can read the QB but I didn't see the physical tools taht would validate such an early pick.

Sorry, Baker is going back to school, but I would take him in a heartbeat at #8 if he were coming out!

Jared Gaither (6'9", 350 lbs) of Maryland has declared and will probably be the 2nd OT taken in the draft. He's very athletic and moves well, but he's also very raw from what I've heard. Don't know if the Texans would take him at #8, but he will probably be gone by #15 from what I've read. This could change after the combine though. JMHO!

dantem
01-07-2007, 05:55 PM
I didn't hear anything new in that interview... just the obvious statements.

skillz24
01-07-2007, 06:04 PM
Russell will be picked up by Oakland and ruined. Quinn has asked to go to the browns because he sees potential there...ha ha ha. La Landry is a too slow to be effective as help over the middle, but he can deliver a hit he reminds me of Roy Williams. Last thing we need is a mistake like dallas happening here.

thunderkyss
01-07-2007, 06:32 PM
B) Peterson's injuries have not been chronic and should not be recurring. Anyone can get a high ankle sprain and the broken collar bone was a freak injury. He does not have any structural damage and should be fine.


I hear ya....... but with our luck, and his history, it would be hard for me to take him, even at #8..... especially if Detroit(or someone) passes on him, and takes Marshawn Lynch first.

I'm not saying that I would pass. I'm not saying that we should pass.... I'm saying if he is there at 8.... I wouldn't know what to do.

UzaHO
01-07-2007, 07:10 PM
If any team is interested in trading to take our #8 pick, I would be incline to listen to them.
Russell/Thomas are not going to be there @ 8.
Quinn/Lynch is overrated.
Do not want to take a 4th 1st rnd pick on yet another D-lineman.
Trade down & get O-line help or take lb Paul P. from PSU.

A Texan
01-07-2007, 08:03 PM
If Sam Baker OT grades well in the combines I wouldnt be against us using the #8 on him as well.


Baker won't be a part of this year's draft. And I hope we do well enough we won't be able to draft him next year.

Imatexanfan
01-07-2007, 10:46 PM
I hear ya....... but with our luck, and his history, it would be hard for me to take him, even at #8..... especially if Detroit(or someone) passes on him, and takes Marshawn Lynch first.

I'm not saying that I would pass. I'm not saying that we should pass.... I'm saying if he is there at 8.... I wouldn't know what to do.

If Russel's there take him, if not take AP, if both not there take K. Kolb before he gets taken, kapeash?!:tease:

tulexan
01-07-2007, 11:06 PM
If Russel's there take him, if not take AP, if both not there take K. Kolb before he gets taken, kapeash?!:tease:


Kolb at 8? I don't think so.

macaronitoni
01-07-2007, 11:24 PM
A) JaMarcus Russell will not be there at 8 so the point is moot

B) Peterson's injuries have not been chronic and should not be recurring. Anyone can get a high ankle sprain and the broken collar bone was a freak injury. He does not have any structural damage and should be fine.

C) Lynch is a totally different player than Benson. Benson is closer to Peterson than he is to Lynch. With his versatility, you could compare him to a poor man's Tomlinson.

D) Joe Thomas has no chance of being available when the Texans pick.

Nobody thought Matt Leinart would last until 10. Everyone had vy, matt Leinart, and Jat Cutler going in like the top 6 or 7. Anything can happen. Rick Smith said it is likely we can trade up, so that leaves some hope too.

cadahnic
01-07-2007, 11:35 PM
Nobody thought Matt Leinart would last until 10. Everyone had vy, matt Leinart, and Jat Cutler going in like the top 6 or 7. Anything can happen. Rick Smith said it is likely we can trade up, so that leaves some hope too.

I think Rick Smith was more pointing to another team wanting to trade up with us and we move back and acquire extra picks, not that we would give away picks to move up a few spots. You are right though, some players will unexpectedly fall and you never know what will happen.

GP
01-08-2007, 01:46 PM
Watch Florida's safety, Reggie Nelson, tonight during the championship game.

This is from espn.com, regarding the impact of Reggie Nelson on tonight's game:

Reggie Nelson. The All-American safety is not just a good football player, Meyer said Friday. Nelson is, "one of the best football players I have ever been around." Nelson plays the best center field east of Jim Edmonds. He knows how to deliver a blow. And he knows how to take one, too. Just last month, Nelson lost his mother to breast cancer. He has not appeared before the media this week, but he is "doing great," Meyer said, and will continue to be an integral part of the Gators' defense Monday night.

link: http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/bowls06/news/story?id=2723646

scroll down to bottom and it's the No. 1 reason that Ivan Maisel predicts Florida can beat Ohio State.

Should be interesting to see if Reggie Nelson really is the player that Urban Meyer thinks he is. Let's see how he handles OSU tonight.

El Tejano
01-08-2007, 02:09 PM
Watch Florida's safety, Reggie Nelson, tonight during the championship game.

This is from espn.com, regarding the impact of Reggie Nelson on tonight's game:

Reggie Nelson. The All-American safety is not just a good football player, Meyer said Friday. Nelson is, "one of the best football players I have ever been around." Nelson plays the best center field east of Jim Edmonds. He knows how to deliver a blow. And he knows how to take one, too. Just last month, Nelson lost his mother to breast cancer. He has not appeared before the media this week, but he is "doing great," Meyer said, and will continue to be an integral part of the Gators' defense Monday night.

link: http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/bowls06/news/story?id=2723646

scroll down to bottom and it's the No. 1 reason that Ivan Maisel predicts Florida can beat Ohio State.

Should be interesting to see if Reggie Nelson really is the player that Urban Meyer thinks he is. Let's see how he handles OSU tonight.


You may have just mentioned what can be the determining factor in what kind of player falls to us. If this kid does well, he could go early which means other players fall to us.

real
01-08-2007, 02:11 PM
You may have just mentioned what can be the determining factor in what kind of player falls to us. If this kid does well, he could go early which means other players fall to us.

Or....




We take him.

leachmtb
01-08-2007, 02:34 PM
Nobody thought Matt Leinart would last until 10. Everyone had vy, matt Leinart, and Jat Cutler going in like the top 6 or 7. Anything can happen. Rick Smith said it is likely we can trade up, so that leaves some hope too.

Who had Cutler going in the top 7? He was expected to go around 15 or 16. But, Matt Leinart was expected to go top 5.

mexican_texan
01-08-2007, 03:21 PM
Are you kidding? Cutler was a legit pick for Tennessee and Leinart for the Saints. Then, reality came calling.

leachmtb
01-08-2007, 03:41 PM
Are you kidding? Cutler was a legit pick for Tennessee and Leinart for the Saints. Then, reality came calling.

I went to Vanderbilt last year, and subsequently lived in Nashville. Other than some fans wanting for Cutler to be their guy, he was never taken seriously by the organization. Fisher didn't even show up to his pro-day (and it was in the same city). No one legitimately thought he would go that early.

DarkNinja
01-08-2007, 03:50 PM
Are we still going with McNair is a racist? I forget, what color is Mario and how much money was he given? What color is Rick Smith?

I wouldn't trade the young core of our Defense for any QB. The future for our D is bright b/c of Mario, otherwise we are starting Peek and Babin or Babin and Kalu. We have a strong, young, defensive core that should be dominant with a good free agency and another strong draft. If Landry and Russell are there at 8 I would take Landry. Of course I am a defensive guy.


If you wanna win, and win in the AFC South, you better have a defense.



My favorite arguement, I blew up this message board with this one. It is very evident that there is racism in the FO. We obvisously didn't get VY a hometown hero that would have brought tremendous money into Austin and Houston. And a huge number 8 jersey burning party. But Steve McKinney from Clear Lake H.S been here since the franchise started....hmm. He is a white guy on the infamous O-line squad...but we can't get someone that would bring MILLIONS into this Houston economy that would have paid off the stadium alone?? Since when did #8 did that?? UTexas lawyers from Austin to Houston would be sueing each other in big money just for Skybox seats. Now from a business prospective, do you really think McNair/Kubes/Cass made the right decision?? Ha, Ha, Ha....is what you get from every businessman/athelete is this NFL organization when you pass up millions over racism!!
:pigfly:

leachmtb
01-08-2007, 03:54 PM
My favorite arguement, I blew up this message board with this one. It is very evident that there is racism in the FO. We obvisously didn't get VY a hometown hero that would have brought tremendous money into Austin and Houston. And a huge number 8 jersey burning party. But Steve McKinney from Clear Lake H.S been here since the franchise started....hmm. He is a white guy on the infamous O-line squad...but we can't get someone that would bring MILLIONS into this Houston economy that would have paid off the stadium alone?? Since when did #8 did that?? UTexas lawyers from Austin to Houston would be sueing each other in big money just for Skybox seats. Now from a business prospective, do you really think McNair/Kubes/Cass made the right decision?? Ha, Ha, Ha....is what you get from every businessman/athelete is this NFL organization when you pass up millions over racism!!
:pigfly:

I am not trying to be a jerk, but I read through your post a couple times and it doesn't make much sense. Before you blast me, try to restate your point in a logical sequence rather than using one instance (the McKinney thing) to argue the whole. Racism is a very serious accusation, and in order to be made, there needs to be some logic (not just emotion) behind it.

Heywood
01-08-2007, 03:58 PM
I am not trying to be a jerk, but I read through your post a couple times and it doesn't make much sense. Before you blast me, try to restate your point in a logical sequence rather than using one instance (the McKinney thing) to argue the whole. Racism is a very serious accusation, and in order to be made, there needs to be some logic (not just emotion) behind it.


not necessarily- racism is not logical, or rational, by its very nature. it's a form of ignorance.

Johnny Utah
01-08-2007, 04:07 PM
Lynch running style is nothing like Cedric Benson's. Just look at Lynch's highlight real and you can see that Benson doesn't have the moves or speed of Lynch. Lynch will be Laurence Maroney with better receiving skills.

http://calbears.cstv.com/sports/marshawn/

TexanFanInCC
01-08-2007, 04:29 PM
i would be shocked if we take a running back with the 8th overall pick. i say we should stick to defense and draft a DT. i have a strong feeling that kubiak and rick smith will stick to defense for the first 2 picks or so and then take a QB in the 3rd round or so. maybe kolb will be there, hopefully.

kenneth24
01-08-2007, 04:52 PM
My favorite arguement, I blew up this message board with this one. It is very evident that there is racism in the FO. We obvisously didn't get VY a hometown hero that would have brought tremendous money into Austin and Houston. And a huge number 8 jersey burning party. But Steve McKinney from Clear Lake H.S been here since the franchise started....hmm. He is a white guy on the infamous O-line squad...but we can't get someone that would bring MILLIONS into this Houston economy that would have paid off the stadium alone?? Since when did #8 did that?? UTexas lawyers from Austin to Houston would be sueing each other in big money just for Skybox seats. Now from a business prospective, do you really think McNair/Kubes/Cass made the right decision?? Ha, Ha, Ha....is what you get from every businessman/athelete is this NFL organization when you pass up millions over racism!!
:pigfly:

Hasn't Chester Pitts started every game for the Texans in their history?

GP
01-09-2007, 11:45 AM
My favorite arguement, I blew up this message board with this one. It is very evident that there is racism in the FO. We obvisously didn't get VY a hometown hero that would have brought tremendous money into Austin and Houston. And a huge number 8 jersey burning party. But Steve McKinney from Clear Lake H.S been here since the franchise started....hmm. He is a white guy on the infamous O-line squad...but we can't get someone that would bring MILLIONS into this Houston economy that would have paid off the stadium alone?? Since when did #8 did that?? UTexas lawyers from Austin to Houston would be sueing each other in big money just for Skybox seats. Now from a business prospective, do you really think McNair/Kubes/Cass made the right decision?? Ha, Ha, Ha....is what you get from every businessman/athelete is this NFL organization when you pass up millions over racism!!
:pigfly:

There's not a demon behind every bush.

Racism is as much a problem of race "baiters" as it is for those who actually ARE racist. And to some degree, we are all a little "racist" whether we want to admit it or not. It never goes completely away, and it's in a person to varying degrees.

But it's nice to always have baiters around who so joyfully bring up race as the answer as to why things happen.

Thanks for everything...

TexanAddict
01-09-2007, 01:50 PM
I don't believe we should be taking a DT at #8 with the way our D line picked up its play in the second half of the season, even with the number of injuries it sustained. I think we should look for another DT in FA to add to Johnson and Maddox that has potetial to start. Too many top picks and too much money are already invested in this one area of the team to go that route again.

threetoedpete
01-10-2007, 05:47 AM
My favorite arguement, I blew up this message board with this one. It is very evident that there is racism in the FO. We obvisously didn't get VY a hometown hero that would have brought tremendous money into Austin and Houston. And a huge number 8 jersey burning party. But Steve McKinney from Clear Lake H.S been here since the franchise started....hmm. He is a white guy on the infamous O-line squad...but we can't get someone that would bring MILLIONS into this Houston economy that would have paid off the stadium alone?? Since when did #8 did that?? UTexas lawyers from Austin to Houston would be sueing each other in big money just for Skybox seats. Now from a business prospective, do you really think McNair/Kubes/Cass made the right decision?? Ha, Ha, Ha....is what you get from every businessman/athelete is this NFL organization when you pass up millions over racism!!
:pigfly:


Get a hold of yourself....they passed up VY because he wasn't a very good passer. And...still isn't. You want to lean on the crutch you're leaning on fine by me. Just saying there big guy. Kubiak wouldn't care if the guy was orange with green polka dots. All Kubiak is interested in was can this guy run my offense ? Is he markedly better than what I got ? And the answer was no.
The answer was I got a Reggie White Prospect in my pocket...I'm taking him.
Barring Bud Adams interceeding on VY's behalf...he'd still be falling through the draft. He just isn't a very good passer. And acuracy IS the only thing that matters from an NFL QB. The windows are short, small and quick to close. Vincent might one day win a SB with his legs. Maybe. 52% is not going to cut it in the NFL. There are old QBs and Bold QBs, but there are no old, bold QBs in the NFL. Vincent's running days will be short in the NFL. So we made Mario the highest paid player in last years class. So what kind of racist does that make Mr. McNair again ?

Heywood
01-10-2007, 06:04 AM
Get a hold of yourself....they passed up VY because he wasn't a very good passer. And...still isn't. You want to lean on the crutch you're leaning on fine by me. Just saying there big guy. Kubiak wouldn't care if the guy was orange with green polka dots. All Kubiak is interested in was can this guy run my offense ? Is he markedly better than what I got ? And the answer was no.
The answer was I got a Reggie White Prospect in my pocket...I'm taking him.
Barring Bud Adams interceeding on VY's behalf...he'd still be falling through the draft. He just isn't a very good passer. And acuracy IS the only thing that matters from an NFL QB. The windows are short, small and quick to close. Vincent might one day win a SB with his legs. Maybe. 52% is not going to cut it in the NFL. There are old QBs and Bold QBs, but there are no old, bold QBs in the NFL. Vincent's running days will be short in the NFL. So we made Mario the highest paid player in last years class. So what kind of racist does that make Mr. McNair again ?


stick with the nonsensical claim you make regarding VY's accuracy. your last argument is (no surprise) even more bogus. the claim is, mcnair and kubiak may have a problem with black QBs, not with black DEs.

Heywood
01-10-2007, 06:07 AM
i would be shocked if we take a running back with the 8th overall pick. i say we should stick to defense and draft a DT. i have a strong feeling that kubiak and rick smith will stick to defense for the first 2 picks or so and then take a QB in the 3rd round or so. maybe kolb will be there, hopefully.

i completely agree with your sig.

i really, really dislike joe theisman, but he said one wise thing about the texans. SEA was running all over them in HOU, and he said "the texans problem is their big people (on defense) aren't very good." best thing ever said succinctly about the team.

Mr teX
01-10-2007, 10:58 AM
If they didn't draft VY there is no way in hell they will draft Russell. We need to hope Gaines Adams, Leon Hall, or Branch are available when we pick. If we get any of those 3 guys I would consider the 1st Round a success. Joe Thomas or Calvin Johnson are going to be long gone and they are the elite prospects imho. AP would be be included with them but he has the injury stigma and the high mileage on his tires courtesy of Stoops. If AP is available at #8 I think we should look hard at him. The fact that he was willing to do so much to help his team says measures for his character, heart, and competitive fire....even if it was to the detriment of his physical condition.

oh and Lynch is garbage imho. Just another Tedford-style product West Coast stat factory ala JJ Arrington.

If Sam Baker OT grades well in the combines I wouldnt be against us using the #8 on him as well.

I was on the Draft Landry bandwagon earlier cause it was such an area of need but from what I saw in the Sugar Bowl, I didn't see all that much to show he merits that early of a pick. He was always around the ball so he can read the QB but I didn't see the physical tools taht would validate such an early pick.


Yet you advocate drafting Leon Hall who got torched on at least 1 play i know of off the top of my head by a guy who will be a possession WR on the next level? Something's wrong with that picture.

Imatexanfan
01-10-2007, 08:19 PM
:secret: Nobody's saying that Landry isn't a great player, but he's a Roy Williams starter kit, and that's about it.

If you want a headhunter who will go for the ESPN highlight reel hit on every play, who might completely blow coverage twice a game and miss tackle once because he wants to blow through instead of wrap up, he's your guy. He's perfect for a team with two good corners and a quality free safety.

He'd get us killed... :shades:

Give me Nelson. :marionaner:

jayjordan
01-11-2007, 12:34 AM
My favorite arguement, I blew up this message board with this one. It is very evident that there is racism in the FO. We obvisously didn't get VY a hometown hero that would have brought tremendous money into Austin and Houston. And a huge number 8 jersey burning party. But Steve McKinney from Clear Lake H.S been here since the franchise started....hmm. He is a white guy on the infamous O-line squad...but we can't get someone that would bring MILLIONS into this Houston economy that would have paid off the stadium alone?? Since when did #8 did that?? UTexas lawyers from Austin to Houston would be sueing each other in big money just for Skybox seats. Now from a business prospective, do you really think McNair/Kubes/Cass made the right decision?? Ha, Ha, Ha....is what you get from every businessman/athelete is this NFL organization when you pass up millions over racism!!
:pigfly:



I agree with you on this. And for the people that argue with this its the point that (in my opinion) they dont want a black QB. Carr was supposed to be the great white hope and he just didnt come thru.What other organization would have put up with carr for 5 years and would still consider him for a six. This is still the south ive faced it.

thunderkyss
01-11-2007, 07:52 AM
I agree with you on this. And for the people that argue with this its the point that (in my opinion) they dont want a black QB. Carr was supposed to be the great white hope and he just didnt come thru.What other organization would have put up with carr for 5 years and would still consider him for a six. This is still the south ive faced it.

Detroit was going to start Harrington for his sixth season if he didn't want out of Detroit so Badly.

But I could've sworn Tony Banks was a black QB..... he was brought in as a veteran to mentor David Carr into the league.. I know hypocrits are out there & everything, but to think a team would bring in a black QB to mentor their "Great White Hope" But wouldn't start a black QB is just stupid.

Vince was the right pick.... we should have picked Vince, instead of waste the last 5 months confirming what many already felt.

Or not allowing Banks to start in '05....... that wasn't a very smart move either.

But neither happened because of racism.

David was the starter, and this wouldn't be a problem had he played the way many thought he was capable of playing. (why people would think he was capable of playing is a bigger question to me).

But if we had Drew Brees, and passed on Vince, would that be because the Texans are racist?? I don't believe so. The people who passed on Vince thought David could contribute to a team as much as Brees does to his. Let's hope that person was relieved of his duties.......... or at least has learned to stay in his owners box & wave at the crowd every now and again.

U4ikrob
01-11-2007, 08:52 AM
I agree with you on this. And for the people that argue with this its the point that (in my opinion) they dont want a black QB. Carr was supposed to be the great white hope and he just didnt come thru.What other organization would have put up with carr for 5 years and would still consider him for a six. This is still the south ive faced it.

Couldnt Disagree more with your point. Not getting VY had alot more to do with economics and having a starting QB already under contract. By the time Kubiak was involved in the decision process [not opinions before he was hired] Carr was allready extended and Kubiak looked at the team needs. Our Defense was the biggest glaring need. The WCO doesnt need an all-pro QB to work, but a game manager. It didnt make fiscal or team sense to strap the club with 2 fat contracts for 1 starting position. Thus they drafted for Need on Defense. This point has been beaten ad-naseum since the draft last year.

IMO - VY is a good QB and would have been the Texans pick if Carr had not been extended on his contract when the draft came around.

Mr teX
01-11-2007, 09:15 AM
:secret: Nobody's saying that Landry isn't a great player, but he's a Roy Williams starter kit, and that's about it.

If you want a headhunter who will go for the ESPN highlight reel hit on every play, who might completely blow coverage twice a game and miss tackle once because he wants to blow through instead of wrap up, he's your guy. He's perfect for a team with two good corners and a quality free safety.

He'd get us killed... :shades:

Give me Nelson. :marionaner:

You have that totally backwards If anybody that's Nelson's style to try & make the "espn" hit. Here's the proof:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Zw7nxl4qa4.

Notice how many times he lunges out hitting someone & not wrapping up just throwing his shoulder out. Also how he's diving all over the place & not protecting deep.

Second Honeymoon
01-12-2007, 01:03 AM
Thanks for the bad rep...

Lynch still sucks

threetoedpete
01-12-2007, 01:12 AM
stick with the nonsensical claim you make regarding VY's accuracy. your last argument is (no surprise) even more bogus. the claim is, mcnair and kubiak may have a problem with black QBs, not with black DEs.

52% is a fact. And my opinion is...it ain't going up. You're the one who is nonsensical in your assurtion that they have a problem with a black QB. Those are your words not mine. Your misinterpretation not mine.

You love Vincent...fine. But he's not Doug Williams and is never going to be Doug Williams. He is a glorified Joe Cap...nothing more. My opinion is they took one look at the Baylor and Oklahoma State game tapes and saw all they needed to see on Vincent.

TexansSeminole
01-12-2007, 01:38 AM
:secret: Nobody's saying that Landry isn't a great player, but he's a Roy Williams starter kit, and that's about it.

If you want a headhunter who will go for the ESPN highlight reel hit on every play, who might completely blow coverage twice a game and miss tackle once because he wants to blow through instead of wrap up, he's your guy. He's perfect for a team with two good corners and a quality free safety.

He'd get us killed... :shades:

Give me Nelson. :marionaner:

That's a real bad assessment of LaRon Landry. I'm sorry but he is anything but a ESPN highlight reel hitter on every play. He rarely blows coverage and also wraps up his tackles better than most safeties in this draft. The things you have him being bad at are what he does best. He has already learned the motions of the game and he is probably the most NFL ready safety in the league. Nelson might end up being the more dangerous player.

Toro
01-12-2007, 02:13 AM
is what you get from every businessman/athelete is this NFL organization when you pass up millions over racism!!
:pigfly:

Yeah.. With their African American GM.. Sorry, but to bring race in to this arguement is invalid. We've argued the selection of Mario over Young and Bush for the past 9 months and will continue to do so until Kingdom Come at this rate. However, name this what it was all about-- I'll deal wit the money factor arguement but I REFUSE to take the arguement that selecting Williams was a "race thing".

Also, as for the "South" arguement, considering Houston is a town that widely accepted Warren Moon with open arms, I'll question the validity of that one too.

Imatexanfan
01-12-2007, 08:57 PM
Thanks for the bad rep...

Lynch still sucks

No prob guy it just you make no sense.

You go off topic and have an opinion AGAINST everyone so you'll keep getting a bad rep.

Lynch got game.

BattleRedToro
01-12-2007, 10:33 PM
52% is a fact. And my opinion is...it ain't going up. You're the one who is nonsensical in your assurtion that they have a problem with a black QB. Those are your words not mine. Your misinterpretation not mine.

You love Vincent...fine. But he's not Doug Williams and is never going to be Doug Williams. He is a glorified Joe Cap...nothing more. My opinion is they took one look at the Baylor and Oklahoma State game tapes and saw all they needed to see on Vincent.

Only thing wrong in this post is the spelling of Joe Kapp's name.

I wonder if some will claim you are a racist for comparing Vince Young to a Hispanic QB.

tulexan
01-13-2007, 02:51 PM
In case no one else noticed, Reggie, Vince and Mario are all African American. How could this have been a thing about race?

I always thought Mario was just really tan

tulexan
01-13-2007, 02:57 PM
Lynch and Benson are nothing alike. Benson had double (almost triple) the amount of touches that Lynch had in his college career and is more of a pure running back rather than a versatile Brian Westbrook or Edgerrin James type.

Toro
01-13-2007, 03:54 PM
In case no one else noticed, Reggie, Vince and Mario are all African American. How could this have been a thing about race?

Really?? I just thought the guy had a bad case of 5 O Clock Shadow... :aikido:

I didn't put Mario's color in to the arguement because it wasn't neccessary to do so. Unless The whole "passing up millions over racism" arguement was retarded to begin with. Thanks for the reminder that Williams was black though. I guess I don't follow my team enough to know that our top pick was black.

yourfavoritetexan42
01-13-2007, 04:00 PM
Lynch is overrated. I would say he is a 3rd round talent... and people are putting him top 10? are you kidding me? I would take Deangello Williams and Lawrence Maroney (late 1st round backs in last years draft) way before I would take Lynch.

Laron Landy, yes he is like Roy Williams, except not even that. He will make big hits he ll come up alright on the run, but he will not be good at covering. I would much rather a less flashier player, who just gets the job done. Michael Lewis from the Eagles and Reggie Nelson get my vote, I do not really want Landry.

The best talent that might be available at our pick is Alan Branch. He is huge, and that would make our defensive line have potential to be the best in the nfl.

Toro
01-13-2007, 04:15 PM
The best talent that might be available at our pick is Alan Branch. He is huge, and that would make our defensive line have potential to be the best in the nfl.

The Redskins are hurting hardcore at DT, so I don't think Branch falls past them.

yourfavoritetexan42
01-13-2007, 04:35 PM
I think they (the redskins) would take Gaines Adams, because yes they are hurting at defensive line, but when building a defensive line you always start at the most important position, defensive end. Gaines Adams is a good talent, he isn't a giant, he isn't blinding fast, but he knows how to get to the quarterback and I think fundamentally, he is the best defensive end coming out of the draft in years.

Toro
01-13-2007, 04:39 PM
I think they (the redskins) would take Gaines Adams, because yes they are hurting at defensive line, but when building a defensive line you always start at the most important position, defensive end. Gaines Adams is a good talent, he isn't a giant, he isn't blinding fast, but he knows how to get to the quarterback and I think fundamentally, he is the best defensive end coming out of the draft in years.


Oh, if Adams falls to them, they'll take him no question. However, do you see him falling past Tampa Bay and Arizona?

D-Vizzl
01-13-2007, 05:00 PM
Also, as for the "South" arguement, considering Houston is a town that widely accepted Warren Moon with open arms, I'll question the validity of that one too.


Now I know how the Jim Rome listeners feel because after that comment I just spit coca cola all over my keyboard. Ask Moon if it was all peachy for him

And not that I remotely agree with any racist or claims of racism talk on this board, but at some point you have to take note that a QB is the face of a franchise, not a DE or a RB. So it is at least feesible to figure that if McNair were a racist\bigamist\supremist that he would rather have a white\anglo QB than a race he considers inferior------hypothetically of course

Toro
01-13-2007, 05:13 PM
Now I know how the Jim Rome listeners feel because after that comment I just spit coca cola all over my keyboard. Ask Moon if it was all peachy for him.

In the deep south, if you're a QB, you'll NEVER be completely accepted by everyone. Sad facts are, there are still people who think it's 1961. By and large though, was Moon acceped by Houstonians as a whole? I'd say yes.

BattleRedToro
01-13-2007, 05:40 PM
In the deep south, if you're a QB, you'll NEVER be completely accepted by everyone. Sad facts are, there are still people who think it's 1961. By and large though, was Moon acceped by Houstonians as a whole? I'd say yes.

I think you meant Black QB, but I find your statement to be more correct as you wrote it. No QB is ever completely accepted by everyone. They are all just one muffed play away from being a goat. Just ask Tony Romo. :shades:

TEXANRED
01-13-2007, 06:37 PM
In the deep south, if you're a QB, you'll NEVER be completely accepted by everyone. Sad facts are, there are still people who think it's 1961. By and large though, was Moon acceped by Houstonians as a whole? I'd say yes.

I completely disagree with that statement.

I don't believe racism is a Territorial thing. There is plenty of racism scattered throughout the united states. Some of the most bigoted, narrow minded people I have ever known live in Chicago. McNabb is in Philly and there is talk on replacing him despite three NFC championships and a Superbowl.

As far as McNair passing on a black QB b/c he didn't want a black face representing the franchise is a "Dee Dee Dee" statement considering Young was the hometown hero that most everyone wanted. Even causing Mattress to whip out two pull page add in the Houston Chronicle.

Brandon420tx
01-13-2007, 06:48 PM
Draft Diet Pepsi Machine!!!

jayjordan
01-14-2007, 06:02 AM
Draft Diet Pepsi Machine!!!

HaHa

TheOgre
01-14-2007, 09:01 AM
What was the injury that Bush (Louisville) suffered? We might be able to go defense or OT with our first selection and grab a RB in the second.

brewhaus
01-14-2007, 10:56 AM
What was the injury that Bush (Louisville) suffered? We might be able to go defense or OT with our first selection and grab a RB in the second.

He broke his leg vs Kentucky.

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=2572409

#Ocho
01-14-2007, 11:22 AM
I like Booker more than Lynch as a pro prospect. I just don't trust players from any Tedford-style system. Call me crazy but I just don't like 'system' players.

Gee, how is Lorenzo Neal doing? Oh, and that guy Bernard Berrian?