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A-B
01-04-2007, 03:16 PM
I just had a question. I've been thumbing through all the posts on all the threads and no matter the subject Carr comes up. O.k. the question, Why would you want to get rid of Carr and replace him with Bledsoe,Plummer,Garcia, or Culpepper. Seriously do you think any of these guys are better? Bledsoe,well self-explanatory he's horrible, Plummer has had one good season and was benched the next. Garcia is almost 37 and Culpepper is not healthy and looks to be injury prone. So you say bring one of these guys in and draft a rookie. Why not keep Carr put a healthy running back and O-line around him and still get rookie. Then if the rookie or Rosenfel's takes Carr's place so be it. I just can't see trying to fix a "problem" with a problem.

the wonger need food
01-04-2007, 03:25 PM
O.k. the question, Why would you want to get rid of Carr and replace him with Bledsoe,Plummer,Garcia, or Culpepper. Seriously do you think any of these guys are better?

Yes, all of those guys are better.

profan
01-04-2007, 03:25 PM
Well, the fact is carr is not going to be here sitting on the bench. He will either be traded to another team, released, or he will stay and start next season. We may have a better qb on the roster, but they will never get the chance with dc here. If he goes, we have a true qb competition. If he stays, he will be given the job again. No doubt about it in my mind.

HoustonFrog
01-04-2007, 03:29 PM
I just had a question. I've been thumbing through all the posts on all the threads and no matter the subject Carr comes up. O.k. the question, Why would you want to get rid of Carr and replace him with Bledsoe,Plummer,Garcia, or Culpepper. Seriously do you think any of these guys are better? Bledsoe,well self-explanatory he's horrible, Plummer has had one good season and was benched the next. Garcia is almost 37 and Culpepper is not healthy and looks to be injury prone. So you say bring one of these guys in and draft a rookie. Why not keep Carr put a healthy running back and O-line around him and still get rookie. Then if the rookie or Rosenfel's takes Carr's place so be it. I just can't see trying to fix a "problem" with a problem.


The only two I have seen taken seriously are Garcia and Plummer. Garcia still has some moxy, as we saw this year, and Plummer's best year was with Kubes. The reason is because Carr can't handle the position. You can let one of these guys play for a year while a young guy learns. I'd do the same behind Rosenfels. Why keep a problem who you have to hide behind others when a better QB might all of a sudden make the O-line and RB better?

threetoedpete
01-04-2007, 03:30 PM
Why be sorry. You haven't had your crack at the whip yet. How much more life force can be drainded from the cadaver at this point in the only thing that is questionable in your choice of topics. But dig in. One more can't hurt.
If you throw them another oportunity, I'm sure they'll rejoice at the chance to pick at the cadaver.

hollywood_texan
01-04-2007, 03:38 PM
I just had a question. I've been thumbing through all the posts on all the threads and no matter the subject Carr comes up. O.k. the question, Why would you want to get rid of Carr and replace him with Bledsoe,Plummer,Garcia, or Culpepper. Seriously do you think any of these guys are better? Bledsoe,well self-explanatory he's horrible, Plummer has had one good season and was benched the next. Garcia is almost 37 and Culpepper is not healthy and looks to be injury prone. So you say bring one of these guys in and draft a rookie. Why not keep Carr put a healthy running back and O-line around him and still get rookie. Then if the rookie or Rosenfel's takes Carr's place so be it. I just can't see trying to fix a "problem" with a problem.

The problem with Carr is his price tag.

If you get the same production or better with a lot less money spent, that should be a better deal.

afcman
01-04-2007, 03:50 PM
Garcia

I would LOVE to have him as our QB next year.

texan_fan_8
01-04-2007, 04:26 PM
I dont want any of those guys. They are all over or on the hill.

Rosenfelds i think will do a great job. Really really do. And i heard Kubes describing him as a real leader and the team really gravitates to him. That's what we need a Leader and that most of all is what Carr is lacking (oh yeah and pocket presence).

You can see it in the preseason where we won! For the first time we were 3-1 in pre and i think that's why i personally was so disappointed. And guess what game we lost in pre season the one david paid.


So keep the over the hill gang. Let Sage play and get a decent draft pick who can be developed.

Tailgate
01-04-2007, 04:30 PM
Bledsoe especially does not fit this system. We need atleast a FAIRLY mobile QB for the rollouts,etc.

Blake
01-04-2007, 04:34 PM
I would LOVE to have him as our QB next year.

Are you kidding me? Garcia? Really?

They only way I want to get another QB, is if we trade Carr for a 1st or high 2nd round pick.

Either stick with Sage/David, or trade Carr and bring in a rookie to learn from Sage.

MightyTExan
01-04-2007, 04:45 PM
What's up with Quinton Porter? Any guy that Kubiak picks deserves some looking into. Anyone know how he looks in camp? Might be his ace in the hole.
And another thing, get Alex Gibbs in here!

thunderkyss
01-04-2007, 04:49 PM
I'm not sold on the idea that David will not be a Texan next year. I understand Kubiak is being Coy about the situation, and David didn't look like an All Pro this year, but who expected him to??

Far as I know David has done everything Kubiak has asked him to and remains coachable. If he'd draw up some crossing patterns that challenges the defense... about who they'll cover, then maybe we can get some wide open recievers downfield, and David will throw them the ball..... if they are the first read that is.

Or if the WR would get some seperation he'd throw them the ball..... if they are the first read.

I'm not a David Carr fan, but I can't imagine anyone thinking he would have done better than what he did...... Especially if he looked at all the tape he said he did, and talked football with David like he said he did before giving him that big bonus.

Tell you what........ I'm pretty disappointed in this QB guru. I think I'll go start another thread.

Second Honeymoon
01-04-2007, 05:10 PM
Are you kidding me? Garcia? Really?

They only way I want to get another QB, is if we trade Carr for a 1st or high 2nd round pick.

Either stick with Sage/David, or trade Carr and bring in a rookie to learn from Sage.

You do realize that will happen when :pigfly: ?

Carr's only chance at being traded is to be traded for another player who is also not earning his contract who the Texans think is worth the risk. It is IMHO the ONLY way Carr is traded. Overpaid underachiever for overpaid underachiever. Otherwise, the other teams will just wait till Carr is cut and he becomes a FA. It's all pretty logical when you look at it....that is assuming the Texans dont want Carr back after all.

we know what the fans want.....TO WIN

demecoryans#1fan
01-04-2007, 05:14 PM
I just had a question. I've been thumbing through all the posts on all the threads and no matter the subject Carr comes up. O.k. the question, Why would you want to get rid of Carr and replace him with Bledsoe,Plummer,Garcia, or Culpepper. Seriously do you think any of these guys are better? Bledsoe,well self-explanatory he's horrible, Plummer has had one good season and was benched the next. Garcia is almost 37 and Culpepper is not healthy and looks to be injury prone. So you say bring one of these guys in and draft a rookie. Why not keep Carr put a healthy running back and O-line around him and still get rookie. Then if the rookie or Rosenfel's takes Carr's place so be it. I just can't see trying to fix a "problem" with a problem.

I totally agree with every thing you just said and think (even though Garcia's doing nasty right now) that Garcia's just too old to be insurance to an injury prone Mcnabb or Culpepper (still has the coolest name in NFL history).:marionaner:

thunderkyss
01-04-2007, 05:15 PM
You do realize that will happen when :pigfly: ?

Carr's only chance at being traded is to be traded for another player who is also not earning his contract who the Texans think is worth the risk. It is IMHO the ONLY way Carr is traded. Overpaid underachiever for overpaid underachiever. Otherwise, the other teams will just wait till Carr is cut and he becomes a FA. It's all pretty logical when you look at it....that is assuming the Texans dont want Carr back after all.

we know what the fans want.....TO WIN

Ricky Williams.

kenneth24
01-04-2007, 05:37 PM
Yes, all of those guys are better.

No they aren't....Garcia, Yes but not the other guys and Garcia is 37.

demecoryans#1fan
01-04-2007, 05:39 PM
we not only need a mobile qb, we need a qb who dosent suck

demecoryans#1fan
01-04-2007, 05:43 PM
I just had a question. I've been thumbing through all the posts on all the threads and no matter the subject Carr comes up. O.k. the question, Why would you want to get rid of Carr and replace him with Bledsoe,Plummer,Garcia, or Culpepper. Seriously do you think any of these guys are better? Bledsoe,well self-explanatory he's horrible, Plummer has had one good season and was benched the next. Garcia is almost 37 and Culpepper is not healthy and looks to be injury prone. So you say bring one of these guys in and draft a rookie. Why not keep Carr put a healthy running back and O-line around him and still get rookie. Then if the rookie or Rosenfel's takes Carr's place so be it. I just can't see trying to fix a "problem" with a problem.

I totally agree with every thing you just said and think (even though Garcia's doing nasty right now) that Garcia's just too old to be insurance to an injury prone Mcnabb or Culpepper (still has the coolest name in NFL history).:marionaner:

kenneth24
01-04-2007, 05:52 PM
Ricky Williams.

Isn't he suspended for a year even if he does come back for missing a drug test?

TexansSeminole
01-04-2007, 05:56 PM
we not only need a mobile qb, we need a qb who dosent suck

Haha true that.

The Pencil Neck
01-04-2007, 06:33 PM
O.k. the question, Why would you want to get rid of Carr and replace him with Bledsoe,Plummer,Garcia, or Culpepper. Seriously do you think any of these guys are better?

I think that Bledsoe is much, much worse and doesn't fit in the system. I wouldn't want him.

I think that Plummer is slightly better than Carr but still seriously flawed. Although, I'd be really pleased if he came, Kubiak got another 18 td/7 int season out of him, and then he self-destructs in the playoffs.

I think that Garcia is better than Carr but he's old and should only be brought in to start for a year while we groom someone else to be The Guy.

Culpepper... I think Culpepper can't do it physically anymore. I wouldn't want him.

Tulip
01-04-2007, 06:48 PM
Question: does anyone know the value of Joey Harrington's contract when he was traded?

Is it possible that the Texans would get less for Carr than the Lions got for Harrington because of Carr's high salary numbers for 2007 & 2008?

NATHANHALE
01-04-2007, 07:39 PM
I see your point on this one, because of our cap or the lack thereof.


So to quote Einstein, " The definition of insanity is to keep doing the same thing over and over expecting it to work." ?

This has been the Texans 'philosophy' since our 1st year.....

utahmark
01-04-2007, 09:26 PM
The problem with Carr is his price tag.

If you get the same production or better with a lot less money spent, that should be a better deal.

you get rid off carr and replace him with someone else it will be more expensive than just keeping him.

reilli
01-04-2007, 09:30 PM
Ricky Williams

Isn't he suspended for a year even if he does come back for missing a drug test?

Actually no, he can play this year. IF he comes back, I heard he liked the CFL & was thinking about staying (no drug tests?) Also the new coach may not be as supportive as Saban was. He may not be welcomed back by a new coach.

thunderkyss
01-04-2007, 11:36 PM
Actually no, he can play this year. IF he comes back, I heard he liked the CFL & was thinking about staying (no drug tests?) Also the new coach may not be as supportive as Saban was. He may not be welcomed back by a new coach.

It doesn't matter who the coach is. The Dolphins got shafted, and need to get something for the Money Ricky done smoked. Ricky will be back to fulfill his end of the contract.

With Cadillac's health issues in '06, it would be nice to get another proven back, with out having to spend anymore money... or a first round pick when they have other issues on the team.

Now if they don't want to deal with Ricky, the could trade him, and at least get something out of the deal.... In our case, we'd probably have to sweeten the pot a little........ SamKonGado maybe?? Roc Alexander?? Quinton Porter?? Dexter McLeon??

Ricky would be closer to home...... and suddenly all his mental issues will be solved. fingers crossed

real
01-05-2007, 08:07 AM
you get rid off carr and replace him with someone else it will be more expensive than just keeping him.

I heard our G.M on 790 this morning and apparently thats not an issue...He said that it's something you have to think about, but he also said that if he felt like a player wasn't helping the team then that would overide any salary issues...

IMHO, from the interview it doesn't sound too promising for Carr...He said that Carr didn't play up to expectations this year....He said that he grasped some of the things that Kubiak was trying to teach him, but some things he didn't....He wouldn't comment on whether or not Carr would be here next year because of negotiation purposes, but he said that we will be definitely bringing in someone to compete for the starting spot whether it be through the draft or free agency....I find this refreshing because it was far from the ringing endorsement that our owner had given him....


I find it very hard to imagine that Carr will be the starting QB for the Texans next year...

Johnny Utah
01-05-2007, 08:26 AM
I heard our G.M on 790 this morning and apparently thats not an issue...He said that it's something you have to think about, but he also said that if he felt like a player wasn't helping the team then that would overide any salary issues...

IMHO, from the interview it doesn't sound too promising for Carr...He said that Carr didn't play up to expectations this year....He said that he grasped some of the things that Kubiak was trying to teach him, but some things he didn't....He wouldn't comment on whether or not Carr would be here next year because of negotiation purposes, but he said that we will be definitely bringing in someone to compete for the starting spot whether it be through the draft or free agency....I find this refreshing because it was far from the ringing endorsement that our owner had given him....


I find it very hard to imagine that Carr will be the starting QB for the Texans next year...

I heard it as well. He basically said the QB play this year was a disappointment. From what we are hearing from Kubiak and Smith they both sound like they want to bring in someone else to play QB. It just depends on if McNair would be willing to let go of Carr.

Trap_Star
01-05-2007, 08:33 AM
It just depends on if McNair would be willing to let go of Carr.


Whenever i think of the situation between McNair and Carr this song always pops into my head....im not kiddin...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zqSYdHRnqr8

bckey
01-05-2007, 08:59 AM
I dont want any of those guys. They are all over or on the hill.

Rosenfelds i think will do a great job. Really really do. And i heard Kubes describing him as a real leader and the team really gravitates to him. That's what we need a Leader and that most of all is what Carr is lacking (oh yeah and pocket presence).

You can see it in the preseason where we won! For the first time we were 3-1 in pre and i think that's why i personally was so disappointed. And guess what game we lost in pre season the one david paid.


So keep the over the hill gang. Let Sage play and get a decent draft pick who can be developed.

Exactly what I hope the Texans do.

TexanFanInCC
01-05-2007, 09:10 AM
i dont understand why some of you are fantacizing about jeff garcia. there is no way the eagles would want to let jeff garcia go considering how well he is playing and how injury prone mcnabb has been the last 3 seasons. the eagles NEED that insurance with garcia. i seriously doubt that the eagles are not going to put up a fight to keep him.

powerfuldragon
01-05-2007, 10:58 AM
I just had a question. I've been thumbing through all the posts on all the threads and no matter the subject Carr comes up. O.k. the question, Why would you want to get rid of Carr and replace him with Bledsoe,Plummer,Garcia, or Culpepper. Seriously do you think any of these guys are better? Bledsoe,well self-explanatory he's horrible, Plummer has had one good season and was benched the next. Garcia is almost 37 and Culpepper is not healthy and looks to be injury prone. So you say bring one of these guys in and draft a rookie. Why not keep Carr put a healthy running back and O-line around him and still get rookie. Then if the rookie or Rosenfel's takes Carr's place so be it. I just can't see trying to fix a "problem" with a problem.


this post contains too much logic and common sense for these forums.

tulexan
01-05-2007, 11:03 AM
It doesn't matter who the coach is. The Dolphins got shafted, and need to get something for the Money Ricky done smoked. Ricky will be back to fulfill his end of the contract.

With Cadillac's health issues in '06, it would be nice to get another proven back, with out having to spend anymore money... or a first round pick when they have other issues on the team.

Now if they don't want to deal with Ricky, the could trade him, and at least get something out of the deal.... In our case, we'd probably have to sweeten the pot a little........ SamKonGado maybe?? Roc Alexander?? Quinton Porter?? Dexter McLeon??

Ricky would be closer to home...... and suddenly all his mental issues will be solved. fingers crossed

Two things,

One, what does Cadillac have to do with the Dolphins?
Two, Ricky Williams is from San Diego, he is still far from home.

reilli
01-05-2007, 12:32 PM
Two, Ricky Williams is from San Diego, he is still far from home.

He bought his Mom a home here (in Austin).

I heard this morning on Cold Pizza that he has applied to come back to the Dolphins this fall and has passed all required drug tests. Yay! :thumbup

thunderkyss
01-05-2007, 02:46 PM
Two things,

One, what does Cadillac have to do with the Dolphins?
Two, Ricky Williams is from San Diego, he is still far from home.

ONe..... I don't know... I guess I f@#$ed up.... I meant Ronnie Brown.... it's hard to get these injury prone running backs seperated.

Two.... he loves Austin... that's where he wants to be.

thunderkyss
01-05-2007, 02:48 PM
i dont understand why some of you are fantacizing about jeff garcia. there is no way the eagles would want to let jeff garcia go considering how well he is playing and how injury prone mcnabb has been the last 3 seasons. the eagles NEED that insurance with garcia. i seriously doubt that the eagles are not going to put up a fight to keep him.

It's all about money....... Garcia is a FA when the season is over.

Vinny
01-05-2007, 04:11 PM
you get rid off carr and replace him with someone else it will be more expensive than just keeping him.I don't know what you are afraid of by replacing him. Everyone else in the NFL changes QB's when they don't produce...we shouldn't be an exception. 24 NFL teams have switched their QB's since 2002. Only Brett Favre, Peyton Manning, Donovan McNabb, Tom Brady , Mike Vick, Trent Green, and Tom Brady have been the starting QB for the same team since 2002. The people who don't want to replace Carr need to wake up and look around the NFL.

2002 starters replaced during Carr's first 5 seasons:

Rich Gannon / Raiders
Steve McNair / Titans
Mark Brunell / Jaguars
Drew Bledsoe / Bills
Aaron Brooks / Saints
Jeff Garcia / 49ers
Daunte Culpepper / Vikings
Tim Couch / Browns
Kerry Collins / Giants
Brian Griese / Broncos
Kordell Stewart / Steelers
Brad Johnson / Buccaneers
Jim Miller / Bears
Jay Fiedler / Dolphins
Vinny Testaverde / Jets
Trent Green / Chiefs
Jake Plummer / Cardinals
Trent Dilfer / Seahawks
Drew Brees / Chargers
Kurt Warner / Rams
Quincy Carter / Cowboys
Rodney Peete / Panthers
Joey Harrington / Lions
Shane Matthews, Danny Wuerffel and Patrick Ramsey / Redskins
Akili Smith / Bengals
Chris Redman / Ravens

Second Honeymoon
01-05-2007, 04:22 PM
I don't know what you are afraid of by replacing him. Everyone else in the NFL changes QB's when they don't produce...we shouldn't be an exception. 24 NFL teams have switched their QB's since 2002. Only Brett Favre, Peyton Manning, Donovan McNabb, Tom Brady , Mike Vick, Trent Green, and Tom Brady have been the starting QB for the same team since 2002. The people who don't want to replace Carr need to wake up and look around the NFL.

2002 starters replaced during Carr's first 5 seasons:

Rich Gannon / Raiders
Steve McNair / Titans
Mark Brunell / Jaguars
Drew Bledsoe / Bills
Aaron Brooks / Saints
Jeff Garcia / 49ers
Daunte Culpepper / Vikings
Tim Couch / Browns
Kerry Collins / Giants
Brian Griese / Broncos
Kordell Stewart / Steelers
Brad Johnson / Buccaneers
Jim Miller / Bears
Jay Fiedler / Dolphins
Vinny Testaverde / Jets
Trent Green / Chiefs
Jake Plummer / Cardinals
Trent Dilfer / Seahawks
Drew Brees / Chargers
Kurt Warner / Rams
Quincy Carter / Cowboys
Rodney Peete / Panthers
Joey Harrington / Lions
Shane Matthews, Danny Wuerffel and Patrick Ramsey / Redskins
Akili Smith / Bengals
Chris Redman / Ravens

He speaks the truth. I really quoted the post for your comment 'Dom B Free'...that is downright hilarious

DocBar
01-05-2007, 04:36 PM
The only two I have seen taken seriously are Garcia and Plummer. Garcia still has some moxy, as we saw this year, and Plummer's best year was with Kubes. The reason is because Carr can't handle the position. You can let one of these guys play for a year while a young guy learns. I'd do the same behind Rosenfels. Why keep a problem who you have to hide behind others when a better QB might all of a sudden make the O-line and RB better?
Do you REALLY believe that?That has to be the least thought out comment I've ever read on here. NO QB to EVER play the game could possibly make our O-line look better. O-lines make QB's and RB's look good. SOMETIMES RB's make O-lines look good. The rest of your post makes some sense, but that last part is just crazy. FWIW, I would rather stick with the guys we have and draft rather than try FA.

Second Honeymoon
01-05-2007, 04:49 PM
Ricky Williams.

Whoa....whoa....

it's so crazy it just might work :)

seriously

Second Honeymoon
01-05-2007, 04:58 PM
The only two I have seen taken seriously are Garcia and Plummer. Garcia still has some moxy, as we saw this year, and Plummer's best year was with Kubes. The reason is because Carr can't handle the position. You can let one of these guys play for a year while a young guy learns. I'd do the same behind Rosenfels. Why keep a problem who you have to hide behind others when a better QB might all of a sudden make the O-line and RB better?
Do you REALLY believe that?That has to be the least thought out comment I've ever read on here. NO QB to EVER play the game could possibly make our O-line look better. O-lines make QB's and RB's look good. SOMETIMES RB's make O-lines look good. The rest of your post makes some sense, but that last part is just crazy. FWIW, I would rather stick with the guys we have and draft rather than try FA.


A good QB can do wonders for your OL and RB situations. It doesn't only go one way. I know that goes against everything the sheeple have been saying for years, but its the truth. Just look at this season for crying out loud.

To be honest, a good QB can do more for a bad OL than a bad QB can do behind a good OL. Face it, the guy just kinda sucks...its sad but its just reality

Porky
01-05-2007, 05:23 PM
I don't know what you are afraid of by replacing him. Everyone else in the NFL changes QB's when they don't produce...we shouldn't be an exception. 24 NFL teams have switched their QB's since 2002. Only Brett Favre, Peyton Manning, Donovan McNabb, Tom Brady , Mike Vick, Trent Green, and Tom Brady have been the starting QB for the same team since 2002. The people who don't want to replace Carr need to wake up and look around the NFL.

2002 starters replaced during Carr's first 5 seasons:

Rich Gannon / Raiders
Steve McNair / Titans
Mark Brunell / Jaguars
Drew Bledsoe / Bills
Aaron Brooks / Saints
Jeff Garcia / 49ers
Daunte Culpepper / Vikings
Tim Couch / Browns
Kerry Collins / Giants
Brian Griese / Broncos
Kordell Stewart / Steelers
Brad Johnson / Buccaneers
Jim Miller / Bears
Jay Fiedler / Dolphins
Vinny Testaverde / Jets
Trent Green / Chiefs
Jake Plummer / Cardinals
Trent Dilfer / Seahawks
Drew Brees / Chargers
Kurt Warner / Rams
Quincy Carter / Cowboys
Rodney Peete / Panthers
Joey Harrington / Lions
Shane Matthews, Danny Wuerffel and Patrick Ramsey / Redskins
Akili Smith / Bengals
Chris Redman / Ravens


Sing it brother! Quoted for Truth, Justice, and the American Way! :marionaner:

Oh, and Docbar, you're just plain wrong. A QB most certainly can make a line look better. Even Kubes himself has publicly stated that many sacks have been on David himself. Get with the program. :ok:

Double Barrel
01-05-2007, 05:24 PM
Yes, all of those guys are better.

That's debatable, IMO. I'm not sold on any of them.

I find it very hard to imagine that Carr will be the starting QB for the Texans next year...

My mind can easily grasp both scenarios, and I'm mentally preparing myself for the potential reality of Carr's return.

I don't think many teams will offer much for Carr, so I don't see that option really panning out. And I don't see the FO cutting him to take a cap hit, only to sign a vet QB that is basically on the same level.

I think the most likely scenario - at least to me - is to bring Carr back and make him actually compete for the job against Rosenfels and whoever else they bring in camp through FA and/or the draft.

Porky
01-05-2007, 05:37 PM
That's debatable, IMO. I'm not sold on any of them.



My mind can easily grasp both scenarios, and I'm mentally preparing myself for the potential reality of Carr's return.

I don't think many teams will offer much for Carr, so I don't see that option really panning out. And I don't see the FO cutting him to take a cap hit, only to sign a vet QB that is basically on the same level.

I think the most likely scenario - at least to me - is to bring Carr back and make him actually compete for the job against Rosenfels and whoever else they bring in camp through FA and/or the draft.


BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

HISSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS

Throwing Virtual Rotten Tomatoes.... :shoot: :shots: :goodnight

Double Barrel
01-05-2007, 05:39 PM
BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

HISSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS

Throwing Virtual Rotten Tomatoes.... :shoot: :shots: :goodnight

heh heh, just sayin' BE PREPARED!

Not that I agree with the decision (if it turns out this way).... :stirpot:

DocBar
01-05-2007, 07:59 PM
Sing it brother! Quoted for Truth, Justice, and the American Way! :marionaner:

Oh, and Docbar, you're just plain wrong. A QB most certainly can make a line look better. Even Kubes himself has publicly stated that many sacks have been on David himself. Get with the program. :ok:

Name one that has.

amazingandre
01-05-2007, 08:01 PM
Im sorry but I think Sage sux!!!!!!!!!!! Seriously he isn't that good in my opinion.....A good back-up, but not good as a starter.....he did good in pre-season.....guess what against scrubs who only want to be part of the team...when realistically they get cut or are 3rd stringers.....come on go get a rookie let kubes mold him for a year then fight david in his 3rd and final year of his contract.........

DallasNiner
01-05-2007, 08:51 PM
Yes, all of those guys are better.

At this point in his career...Bledsoe is not better. Maybe 3 years ago with a great offensive line he was. But not anymore.

ATX
01-05-2007, 09:01 PM
Im sorry but I think Sage sux!!!!!!!!!!! Seriously he isn't that good in my opinion.....A good back-up, but not good as a starter.....he did good in pre-season.....guess what against scrubs who only want to be part of the team...when realistically they get cut or are 3rd stringers.....come on go get a rookie let kubes mold him for a year then fight david in his 3rd and final year of his contract.........

I believe he threw 3 TDs against the titans when he replaced Carr. I don't think Carr threw for 3 TDs in a half this year. As a matter of fact, I don't believe Carr has ever thrown for more than 3 TDs in a game, but maybe I'm wrong.

Erratic Assassin
01-05-2007, 09:54 PM
Why would you want to get rid of Carr and replace him with Bledsoe,Plummer,Garcia, or Culpepper. Seriously do you think any of these guys are better?

Because they aren't thinking that far ahead. They believe in "addition by subtraction". They believe we can simply subtract ourselves to the promised land.

The Pencil Neck
01-05-2007, 10:19 PM
Because they aren't thinking that far ahead. They believe in "addition by subtraction". They believe we can simply subtract ourselves to the promised land.

If you subtract a negative, that's positive.

7 - (-1) = 8.

Hmm... maybe I should have used another example...

Honoring Earl 34
01-05-2007, 10:22 PM
How about putting the vehicle in drive and go forward . I'm tired of staying in park .

thunderkyss
01-05-2007, 11:10 PM
Name one that has.

Peyton Manning, Donavan McNabb, Tom Brady..... when the free blitzer comes through the line, these QBs are usually ready to throw the ball to the open reciever right behind where the Free Blitzer came from. They're usually prepared, because they identify the extra man before the snap.

Sometimes..... you just can't tell. And you don't identify the right guy.... & neither does your line. In this case, these QBs will usually continue to back Pedal, until they can compose themselves enough to launch the ball in the direction of a reciever...... usually so far out, that no one can catch it. If you remember that bad ass catch LJ Smith made against us in week one, you'd know what I'm talking about. Glenn Earl came free on a blitz.... McNabb kept backpedaling, and backpedaling, then just launced it over LJ's head.... LJ didn't give up on the ball, stretched out & caught it with his finger tips....

Since there is no sack in either instance, the QB has just made the OL look better.

All these QBs also know how to properly employ the three step drop. by the time they take their third step, they know where they are throwing the ball, the only decision left is placement. But make no mistake about it, the ball will not be in the QBs hand a second longer than the third step. When our QB pulls down the ball.... he gets sacked. It should be an incompletion.... sucks for the QBs stats...... but looks good on the OL.

The Pencil Neck
01-06-2007, 02:35 AM
Name one that has.

Look at it this way, some QB's can make lines look worse than they are. They can do this by not getting the ball out on time, double clutching when they should let it go (even to throw it away), making wrong reads, not trusting themselves to get the ball in, etc. I mean, if you read that there's a blitz coming off the corner or you read that there are going to be more guys coming than you've got coming, that's when you hit the hot receiver quickly, you don't pump fake and stand there. You know that blitzer is coming and it's up to the QB to make the right decision so that there's no sack. It's not easy but that's why you get paid the big bucks.

You see this over and over again with young QB's. That's why a less talented but more experienced QB is usually better than a young, talented guy. That's why Dilfer was able to keep Hasselback on the bench for awhile. Why Kitna started instead of Palmer and why Brees was starting instead of Rivers.

But some QB's just don't "see" the open receivers or wait too long to make their decisions. You saw this with Bledsoe; the line didn't suddenly get better with Romo.

It was a constant complaint with Rob Johnson. He would hold the ball and wait for guys to come open and then he'd get sacked. He was supposed to be a great athlete and a great scrambler and everyone wanted to give him a chance because they were sure he'd be a good QB, but he never could grow past that.

There are other QB's that have this problem. Kurt Warner comes to mind. You give him some time, and he will kill you. But when teams figured out how to get to him, that was it.

I think that Carr is one of those guys. Yes, our line needs work and can be improved but that's not why our passing game sucks. I think there are one or two free agents that could immediately improve us; Sage might even be able to do the trick but I'm not sold that he's The Guy. But I don't think any of those guys (including Sage) would be long term, they should just be for a year or two until we get a young QB groomed and ready to go. At this point, I don't know who either of those QB's are: the one that's short term or the one that's long term.

TXGRL
01-06-2007, 07:57 AM
Prediction: Carr will go and Jake the Snake will arrive. Still think we give Sage a chance while we groom a rookie.

DocBar
01-06-2007, 10:12 AM
Look at it this way, some QB's can make lines look worse than they are. They can do this by not getting the ball out on time, double clutching when they should let it go (even to throw it away), making wrong reads, not trusting themselves to get the ball in, etc. I mean, if you read that there's a blitz coming off the corner or you read that there are going to be more guys coming than you've got coming, that's when you hit the hot receiver quickly, you don't pump fake and stand there. You know that blitzer is coming and it's up to the QB to make the right decision so that there's no sack. It's not easy but that's why you get paid the big bucks.

You see this over and over again with young QB's. That's why a less talented but more experienced QB is usually better than a young, talented guy. That's why Dilfer was able to keep Hasselback on the bench for awhile. Why Kitna started instead of Palmer and why Brees was starting instead of Rivers.

But some QB's just don't "see" the open receivers or wait too long to make their decisions. You saw this with Bledsoe; the line didn't suddenly get better with Romo.

It was a constant complaint with Rob Johnson. He would hold the ball and wait for guys to come open and then he'd get sacked. He was supposed to be a great athlete and a great scrambler and everyone wanted to give him a chance because they were sure he'd be a good QB, but he never could grow past that.

There are other QB's that have this problem. Kurt Warner comes to mind. You give him some time, and he will kill you. But when teams figured out how to get to him, that was it.

I think that Carr is one of those guys. Yes, our line needs work and can be improved but that's not why our passing game sucks. I think there are one or two free agents that could immediately improve us; Sage might even be able to do the trick but I'm not sold that he's The Guy. But I don't think any of those guys (including Sage) would be long term, they should just be for a year or two until we get a young QB groomed and ready to go. At this point, I don't know who either of those QB's are: the one that's short term or the one that's long term.

I completely agree with you on this. My point is that lines makes QBS look better than they are, not vice versa. Carr is NOT my ideal QB and I'm not defending him. I would say 20% of his sacks are his fault. That said, there were WAY too many times that no QB to ever play the gme could've done better. Changing QB's isn't the answer. Upgrading the O-line THEN upgrading QB through the draft is my preferred solution. I don't like the crop of FA's out there this year.

QB75
01-06-2007, 10:12 AM
Yes, all of those guys are better.

No, none of them are better.

HoustonFrog
01-06-2007, 10:29 AM
The only two I have seen taken seriously are Garcia and Plummer. Garcia still has some moxy, as we saw this year, and Plummer's best year was with Kubes. The reason is because Carr can't handle the position. You can let one of these guys play for a year while a young guy learns. I'd do the same behind Rosenfels. Why keep a problem who you have to hide behind others when a better QB might all of a sudden make the O-line and RB better?
Do you REALLY believe that?That has to be the least thought out comment I've ever read on here. NO QB to EVER play the game could possibly make our O-line look better. O-lines make QB's and RB's look good. SOMETIMES RB's make O-lines look good. The rest of your post makes some sense, but that last part is just crazy. FWIW, I would rather stick with the guys we have and draft rather than try FA.

You are kidding right. I'll give you two NFL examples this year..the Cowboys and Titans. The Cowboys, with Bledsoe were in a downward spiral and one of the main gripes was the O-line. Bledsoe was a statue and was making bad throws under pressure. Romo came in and started moving and making plays while going 4-1 and no one mentioned the line at all. At this same time Marion Barber started putting up TDs and more yards than he was used to while splitting with JJ. The Titans..same thing. Kerry Collins was lost. Their line is bad. VY comes in and opens things up and all of sudden Travis Henry starts ripping off big games and the oline problems aren't as visible.

Carr takes unnecessary sacks. Not enough to say that the line is "good" but it amazes me that when Rosenfels is in one game, he is throwing deep, keeping his eyes downfield, sliding away from pressure and doing what NFL QBs should do and it looks like we have a decent line. The fact is, when you put in a smart, competent QBs who know how to run an offense then alot of the line problems go away or are at least masked and the running game picks up. The case we have now is to try and fix TE, WR, RB, the O-line and the MAYBE after we make the perfect bubble for him, Carr can get a legit shot(rolling eyes). It is an imperfect league of salary caps, parity and free agency and you need a QB that can make plays in all situations, not one you have to bury behind a ton of other people to hide their weaknesses.

cadahnic
01-06-2007, 10:36 AM
Honestly Carr has had a legit shot. This year the Line did not play horribly, yes we need some pieces on it, but it was not the crap we are used to seeing. Injuries forced us to close off some of the playbook, and bottomline Carr was inconsistent. Does that mean he wont be back? Likely not. Carr showed enough in this new system and early in the season to get himself back into TC. If they open up competition you guys understand that Carr will beat out Rosenfels and Carr gives us the best chance to win. Put some pieces around him continue his maturation process and after next year whatever will be will be as far as Carr goes.

Newbsies
01-06-2007, 11:21 AM
My ideal situation for next year will be Sage as our starter, with Troy Smith (2nd rd) waiting in the wings. I'm sure Sage can give us one, if not two good years, while Troy sits, learns, and waits. In all honesty, I dont think that any of those schmucks are any better than Rosenfels. All I have to say is that if Carr is even on the roster next year, I will be pissed.

Hottoddie
01-06-2007, 11:41 AM
I think we should bring Elway out of retirement. After all, he left at the top of his game & had his best years under Kubiak. Surely, he has something left in his tank & I'll bet Kubiak can find it. :stirpot: I know he's been out of the league for a few years & may have gotten a little soft, but all you have to do is pop some viagra in him & stiffen him up. :D

Okay, now that I've ranted, I'll go back into lurk mode.

carter08
01-06-2007, 11:42 AM
Carr is a good QB, but he can not suceed in Houston. He needs a fresh start.

If the Texans get Bledsoe I will seriously go donkey kong on the Texans Management

DocBar
01-06-2007, 01:01 PM
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You are kidding right. I'll give you two NFL examples this year..the Cowboys and Titans. The Cowboys, with Bledsoe were in a downward spiral and one of the main gripes was the O-line. Bledsoe was a statue and was making bad throws under pressure. Romo came in and started moving and making plays while going 4-1 and no one mentioned the line at all. At this same time Marion Barber started putting up TDs and more yards than he was used to while splitting with JJ. The Titans..same thing. Kerry Collins was lost. Their line is bad. VY comes in and opens things up and all of sudden Travis Henry starts ripping off big games and the oline problems aren't as visible.

Carr takes unnecessary sacks. Not enough to say that the line is "good" but it amazes me that when Rosenfels is in one game, he is throwing deep, keeping his eyes downfield, sliding away from pressure and doing what NFL QBs should do and it looks like we have a decent line. The fact is, when you put in a smart, competent QBs who know how to run an offense then alot of the line problems go away or are at least masked and the running game picks up. The case we have now is to try and fix TE, WR, RB, the O-line and the MAYBE after we make the perfect bubble for him, Carr can get a legit shot(rolling eyes). It is an imperfect league of salary caps, parity and free agency and you need a QB that can make plays in all situations, not one you have to bury behind a ton of other people to hide their weaknesses.

Romo got a good dose of reality and has played poorly the last 5 weeks of the season and VY is one of the better RB's in the league. OF COURSE he opened things up for Henry. Ya never know when VY might break off a 39 yd game-winning TD run. Those examples just don't hold water too well.

MarinerOne
01-06-2007, 04:39 PM
I'm not sold on the idea that David will not be a Texan next year. I understand Kubiak is being Coy about the situation, and David didn't look like an All Pro this year, but who expected him to??

Far as I know David has done everything Kubiak has asked him to and remains coachable. If he'd draw up some crossing patterns that challenges the defense... about who they'll cover, then maybe we can get some wide open recievers downfield, and David will throw them the ball..... if they are the first read that is.

Or if the WR would get some seperation he'd throw them the ball..... if they are the first read.

I'm not a David Carr fan, but I can't imagine anyone thinking he would have done better than what he did...... Especially if he looked at all the tape he said he did, and talked football with David like he said he did before giving him that big bonus.

Tell you what........ I'm pretty disappointed in this QB guru. I think I'll go start another thread.

I agree with many of your points. The receiver routes that would lead to more separation would be a giant step plus a more varied play selection----left, right, run, pass, play action, screen, downfield, etc. Bottom line is that you have to have time to through the ball or buy time to do so.