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the wonger need food
01-02-2007, 01:56 PM
I guess we'll see a lot of these types of articles in the next few weeks. What's noteworthy is that Carr is being mentioned mostly with players that lost their jobs this year. Has it been leaked that we're trying to move him or is that just a given due to his performance this year?

http://www.bradenton.com/mld/bradenton/sports/16363960.htm

Potential free agents include Jake Plummer, Drew Bledsoe, Daunte Culpepper, Jeff Garcia, Byron Leftwich and David Carr.

TXGRL
01-02-2007, 02:13 PM
I found this article on Yahoo...say's Carr's status is 50/50.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/rumors/post/Carr-s-Texan-return-50-50?urn=nfl,19025

:stirpot:

interesting...but...don't want:
Drew ... blah, blah and more blah.
Daunte- NO, NO; overrated and difficult.
Jeff Garcia-could be interesting...shown improvement at Phil
Leftwich-injured to often!

Plummer....I think he may be the guy Kubiak will want,
but I also think we should give Sage a chance to earn the job.

hollywood_texan
01-02-2007, 02:17 PM
I think we all know McNair's position on Carr.

It appears that if Kubiak wants to make a move on Carr, he is going to have to prove to McNair why and how his solution is better than the current situation with Carr.

Considering that, Kubiak may just leave it alone because it is more work and he has a lot of other things to do and take care of.

Bottom line, it will be a tough sell for Kubiak. That is if he wants to unload Carr. Which we don't know.

Hulk75
01-02-2007, 02:20 PM
Carr is being Traded NEWS to me, but hey what do I know, Keep your eyes peeled for a trade Wonger I dont know if you will find one buddy, but keep looking we have a while before the draft.:)

If he sucks so bad he will not be traded, who is going to give up anything for him, right?

Hulk75
01-02-2007, 02:23 PM
I think we all know McNair's position on Carr.

It appears that if Kubiak wants to make a move on Carr, he is going to have to prove to McNair why and how his solution is better than the current situation with Carr.

Considering that, Kubiak may just leave it alone because it is more work and he has a lot of other things to do and take care of.

Bottom line, it will be a tough sell for Kubiak. That is if he wants to unload Carr. Which we don't know.

Has it crossed anyones mind that Gary might like Carr as his QB and that he might think that he needs more help, remember Gary was a QB and played behind one of the best, AND HE WAS only the best cause he PLAYED with the best. Whatever!?:rolleyes: They do with him will have nothing to do with a popularity contest.

Wharton
01-02-2007, 02:38 PM
I think we all know McNair's position on Carr.

It appears that if Kubiak wants to make a move on Carr, he is going to have to prove to McNair why and how his solution is better than the current situation with Carr.

Considering that, Kubiak may just leave it alone because it is more work and he has a lot of other things to do and take care of.

Bottom line, it will be a tough sell for Kubiak. That is if he wants to unload Carr. Which we don't know.That's why I'm starting to question, Mr. McNair's ability to lead this franchise. This is the NFL, which means Not For Long. Five years of looking at Carr's potential is plenty. Its time to move on.

Has it crossed anyone’s mind that Gary might like Carr as his QBNo, considering David's attempts per game fell from high 20s & 30s at the beginning of the season to low 20s and teens by the end of the season, I'd say Gary's lost the faith. Besides if the Coach and GM can't come out and specifically state that David is our QB of the future after taking a FULL year to "evaluate" his talent, then there is something very wrong.

I'm still trying to figure out why they couldn't look at the film and make that decision before the draft last year. Personally, I thought it was obvious.

Uh, I thought you stopped posting on this board?

hollywood_texan
01-02-2007, 02:49 PM
Has it crossed anyones mind that Gary might like Carr as his QB and that he might think that he needs more help, remember Gary was a QB and played behind one of the best, AND HE WAS only the best cause he PLAYED with the best. Whatever!?:rolleyes: They do with him will have nothing to do with a popularity contest.

I don't know what Kubiak likes or doesn't like.

He speaks in a such a way that you really can't press him on anything. For example, "he such a good kid", and on and on...

I am not necessarily banging on Kubiak, he just isn't the type of guy that is going to shoot things right in front of you. He is a little more political and very careful with his words. Which sounds very similar to Dom Capers. Is there a pattern here?

Maybe Kubiak thinks Carr is the QB for Texans. But, I haven't heard him say one way or other recently. Which brings to what I discussed earlier in this post.

I would like to read or see video of Kubiak saying what you say he already has said privately.

I really don't care at this point, I just want some clear direction! Which the Texans have seemed to not have since day one with retrospect, regardless of the Carr situation.

VY's Crib U Jus payn Rent
01-02-2007, 02:51 PM
Do you really want to keep a guy that is only worried about making his "jack" and going home to his family - not my kind of teammate...

Honoring Earl 34
01-02-2007, 02:56 PM
If Kubiak and Bob liked Carr so much ... why did'nt they end this discussion already by saying ... Dave's our QB . They have'nt done that .

Hulk I hope you never have to quit smoking .

HoustonFrog
01-02-2007, 02:57 PM
McNair and his football decision skills are starting to scare me. Just because you are incredibly successful in one business in parts of your life doesn't mean you can just learn football and what it takes. I have no clue how he can see the fans, the city and how the team has played with Carr and think that it might be good just to keep him because of the money.

Kubes might personally like Carr but to me he coached like his hands were tied this year with Carr at the helm.

Keyser Soze
01-02-2007, 03:03 PM
If Kubiak and Bob liked Carr so much ... why did'nt they end this discussion already by saying ... Dave's our QB . They have'nt done that.

Exactly.

If you've ever heard the term "damn with faint praise", that comes to mind when I hear coach K talk about DC. Sometimes DC hasn't even gotten faint praise.

It wouldn't surprise me to see BM and coach K talk up DC right to the point they do something about it. After all, you don't take your used lemon into the dealer for trade-in and tell him it burns oil, won't start on cold days, A/C doesn't work...

Second Honeymoon
01-02-2007, 03:11 PM
Carr is being Traded NEWS to me, but hey what do I know, Keep your eyes peeled for a trade Wonger I dont know if you will find one buddy, but keep looking we have a while before the draft.:)

If he sucks so bad he will not be traded, who is going to give up anything for him, right?

my thoughts exactly. the guy has shown next to nothing for 5 years. it's not like any team is going to give us anything for him...the only way he will be traded is if we are forced to eat someone else's overpaid with low production player under contract.

IMHO, teams will just wait until he is released after the June roster date. This will lessen the Texans cap hit for releasing him and as well as let Carr enter the open market.

another possibility would be that Carr may be given a Pennington-like ultimatum and told to restructure deal or face being cut. Tie this reworked contract to incentives off statistics, wins, and playoffs that could approach his current deal's numbers. I doubt the Texans would go that route though. They have been carebear-ing Carr since DayOne. They don't want to hurt the 'face of the franchise'. Why expect a change now.....

here is to 2007 without Carr as starting QB and building our team identity around defense and a ball control offense.

Hookem Horns
01-02-2007, 03:37 PM
I think Carr can be successful in Houston. He just needs to be given another shot and I think the Texas Copperheads are the team to give it to him. He can head down to their offices and ask for a try out. He might be successful in the Arena League and he doesn't have to worry about the pay since he already punched his meal ticket with the Texans. This way everyone wins. The Carr lovers can still see their boy locally, and the Texans can move in a better direction.

CowboysTexansFan
01-02-2007, 04:08 PM
More rumors about Carr from Pro Football Weekly:

"The departure of offensive coordinator Gary Kubiak in the offseason cannot be understated in explaining the demise of Jake Plummer in Denver. Plummer and Kubiak had a close working relationship that Plummer and new assistant head coach Mike Heimerdinger never shared. Look for Plummer to possibly resurface with Kubiak in Houston next season to either challenge or replace David Carr."

I'd rather have Garcia than Plummer as a short-term fix, but still prefer Plummer to Carr (ugh). If the team keeps Carr, he definitely should be kept on a short leash and forced to EARN the starting job, not have it handed to him on a silver platter. My view is, if Sage or Jake beat out Carr for the starting job, Carr should be cut because he makes far too much money to sit on the bench.

In other news from the same column, here are some nuggets about Anthony Maddox and Kris Brown...

"Texans DT Anthony Maddox appears to have secured a place in the team’s future plans with his play down the stretch.

There’s a sense Texans PK Kris Brown may have saved his job with his kicking in the final month of the season."

I agree completely with the last two points. Maddox definitely made an impression. As for Brown, I had been hoping for much of the year that the team would get rid of him at the end of the season, but he played great the last month, and his kick to beat the Colts more than justifies his return. GO KRIS!!! :marionaner:


http://profootballweekly.com/PFW/The+Way+We+Hear+It/Whispers/2006/whispers2126.htm

GuerillaBlack
01-02-2007, 04:10 PM
I think Carr can be successful in Houston. He just needs to be given another shot and I think the Texas Copperheads are the team to give it to him. He can head down to their offices and ask for a try out. He might be successful in the Arena League and he doesn't have to worry about the pay since he already punched his meal ticket with the Texans. This way everyone wins. The Carr lovers can still see their boy locally, and the Texans can move in a better direction.

PRINT IT! :yes:

CowboysTexansFan
01-02-2007, 04:20 PM
I think Carr can be successful in Houston. He just needs to be given another shot and I think the Texas Copperheads are the team to give it to him. He can head down to their offices and ask for a try out. He might be successful in the Arena League and he doesn't have to worry about the pay since he already punched his meal ticket with the Texans. This way everyone wins. The Carr lovers can still see their boy locally, and the Texans can move in a better direction.

LOL! I wish I could give you rep for that, but I have to spread it around first...

Scott747
01-02-2007, 05:03 PM
Someone needs to get the Plummer memo to Kubes and Mcnair.

Jake will be on a shorter leash with the fans than Carr is/was. If Jake were to come here to be the immediate starter, and open up with a few bad games --Reliant would become unbearable for coach and team. It's time this front office makes some sound decisions, and JP is not one of them...

big sarge
01-02-2007, 05:03 PM
IMHO this is what i see it boiling down to. This is an account from when the Texans became a team up to now.

1. At QB DC has alot of trust issues with the line(understandable). I would say that since he has been in the league, he has been tortured. The texans make one good offseason move and expect miracles from DC. To me thats like putting a bandaid on a GSW. #2 makes part of this possible.

2. AT rb DD is very consistant, he gets injured every year, but i do not see in hate DD threads. OK he can run like he stole something and is a small but physical back, but what people are saying about DD is he's a good back. So from a conclusion i get from what the fans say is he is a talented back, but a sally, or he is a guy who will be good for half a season. # 3 makes part of 1&2 possible.

3. The o-line is horrendous. Or as i call it (I am sure DC thinks this way to) the o-crap line. I liken DC to a dog you have on the porch and you kick him for 3 years everyday. Every time you go on the porch the dog will freeze and cower, (DC seems to freeze on every snap in some games when the o-crap line is sleeping). I think it is some sort of complex by now that DC holds the ball too long. ( like the dog you kick the only thing he has is a damn bone and he will eat it before he lets his master take it away). Then you have oft injured DD. Poor DD I bet when he see's DE's in publice he shudders. He has no where to run except into the ground, because if they do not block for DC why would they block for DD????? #4 doesn't help 1&2 either because of #3.

4. The i should be on a special bus teams. Face it without a threat at a decent return specialist, ( and i do not mean JM he has potential but is not proven because of injuries). We do not get good field position, unless the other teams blocking breaks down. We have upgraded nicely here though so I expect more from this unit as far as kick returns go. However our Special teams are inconsistant at best as far as coverage goes.

5. Our defense as a whole is a bunch of guys (patch work if you will) over achieving at under achieving. They have so much potential, but no execution. I think they need to re-learn the fundamentals.

6. Our D-line has bright spots but seem too passive at some points like the say f#@% it man the offense will not score anyway whats the use of playing our a##%# off if we will just be right back out here after 3 and out??? I think MW will be strong next year. I think he had so much pressure on him to be the best and the fact that his foot is jacked up that is was too much for him. I mean what if you gave a really good interview for a job and got it, but everyone of your co-workers and those who watch the profit margins are betting that you are not employee of the month or even week potential and you try to perform at a level of a CEO (and that was expected from MW from training camp by the majority of the fans). It would almost be like going home and your mom and dad saying did you loose your really good overpaying job yet??? Quit limping sally and get to work I raised you better. (remember this announcement The rockets select Robert Horry!!!! BOO! BOO! BOO! BOO! and all the man did was put a rockets hat on to get that welcome to Houston now go home!)

7. Our secondary is atrocious! I mean D-rob is a bright spot but i think even he is getting weary. I feel sorry for him. He will be a Probowl DB but he needs help, and even he is showing signs of the mental mistakes and being lacksidasical. He is by far my favorite Texan though. He is a defensive leader who is talking to a bunch of texan jersy inserts who won't execute. That must be unnerving.

8. Play calling is way to conservative. At some point the coach has to say. Hey DC here is the freakin football go win us a game, and if you need guidence ask me thats what i am here for. I co-ordinate things in practice and get you ready for th game but I cannot play it for you too. If I was DC i would say. Hey coach let me sustain my position. Give some freedom and let me see what I can do, and if I stink then I will go, but if I win then let me keep doing what I am doing. (That is called taking ownership of your responsibilities as a leader) It's like at a casino, if you want to win big you have to bet big. I do not know of many people who put 1 nickel in a slot machine and walk out a millionaire. However # 2&3 severely affects # 8...no pun intended...lol!

9. Mismanagement of personnel. Now they have DW (A return SPECIALIST WOOHOO!!) He should get the starting nod as return man. Put JM in the offensive scheme. Work him like a dog as the #3 WR. Then in pre-season make him work it and earn his keep. ( I know he has been injured but we need him with his speed in the slot or flank. Teach him to be physical so he can get off the line, and i bet he can creat space so DC can air it out on both sides or in the post. Ever wonder why DC goes to AJ so much??? Well besides being a beast at WR he is fast (like JM) and can make plays. Well just a though here but if you have 2 fast guys with decnt hands hwy oh why don't you put them opposite of each other or hell next to eack other and streak one and post the other or something?????? I mean this is kindergarten stuff!! Right?? I equate this to the front office and previous coaching on the field myself. I do not know how others feel but I call it as I see it.


To sum it up here are the few bright spots that I see in the Texans.
1. D-ROB!!!!! (NEED I say more??)
2. DeMeco!!! (Excellent vision of the whole field and great awareness for a rookie)
3. Kubes!!!!! (If he is left alone which I do not know if others give input. I think he has potential as a head coach.)
4. Richard Smith (I think he can impose his will on the defense. He seems like a strong leader.)
Right now Kubes and the Texans are doing what Rumsfeld did with the Army. You go to war with what you have not what you wish to have. In other words until the leadership of the Texans realizes how much potential they have and put the square pegs in the square holes and the round pegs in the round holes (efficiency, and proper management of skills and abilities) Then they will not be successful.

Well I have:stirpot: long enough now it is time to :hides: while I get all of the rebuttles that i know will rain down. But hey I love it...lol:tease:

Second Honeymoon
01-02-2007, 05:37 PM
I think Carr can be successful in Houston. He just needs to be given another shot and I think the Texas Copperheads are the team to give it to him. He can head down to their offices and ask for a try out. He might be successful in the Arena League and he doesn't have to worry about the pay since he already punched his meal ticket with the Texans. This way everyone wins. The Carr lovers can still see their boy locally, and the Texans can move in a better direction.

ouch

Second Honeymoon
01-02-2007, 05:41 PM
Someone needs to get the Plummer memo to Kubes and Mcnair.

Jake will be on a shorter leash with the fans than Carr is/was. If Jake were to come here to be the immediate starter, and open up with a few bad games --Reliant would become unbearable for coach and team. It's time this front office makes some sound decisions, and JP is not one of them...

so the fans are supposed to sit through 5 years of bad QB play with Carr but then with Plummer its instant results or the Boo Birds come out?

just trying to clarify things. I am not huge on Plummer either but if he is brought in, he deserves a clean slate. as fans, we would owe it to him to give more than 16 games before we start trashing him...

the wonger need food
01-02-2007, 05:51 PM
Carr is being Traded NEWS to me, but hey what do I know, Keep your eyes peeled for a trade Wonger I dont know if you will find one buddy, but keep looking we have a while before the draft.:)

If he sucks so bad he will not be traded, who is going to give up anything for him, right?

Hey Hulk, I thought you were leaving? Good to have ya back.

There are organizations that like to bring in project players and try to make something out of them. Your boy is basically a project at this point in his career, so someone may take a chance on him for a 2nd day pick.

I honestly don't see any trade value in him considering he's worse than a lot of backups in the league, but we're pretty much stuck with him and his contract. The best that we can hope for is finally some competition for the job next season. There aren't very many people that he can beat out if they are given an honest shot at the job. And there is no possible way he is here in 2008. There just can't be any excuses left after 6 years of failure... right?

dirty steve
01-02-2007, 05:56 PM
so the fans are supposed to sit through 5 years of bad QB play with Carr but then with Plummer its instant results or the Boo Birds come out?

just trying to clarify things. I am not huge on Plummer either but if he is brought in, he deserves a clean slate. as fans, we would owe it to him to give more than 16 games before we start trashing him...
don't you think david deserves the same chance...more than 16 under the new regime? don't get me wrong, i went into this year wanting carr to show what he could do under the kubiak system. i'd like to see carr leave under same premise that guys like buchanon left...if you arent part of the solution, then you are part of the problem.

hollywood_texan
01-02-2007, 06:12 PM
I am not huge on Plummer...

Would you like to rephrase your statement?

axman40
01-02-2007, 06:18 PM
I wonder if Mel Gibson will make a movie about DC?
It could be called The Passion of The Beat Down!

:stirpot:

disaacks3
01-02-2007, 06:28 PM
so the fans are supposed to sit through 5 years of bad QB play with Carr but then with Plummer its instant results or the Boo Birds come out?

just trying to clarify things. I am not huge on Plummer either but if he is brought in, he deserves a clean slate. as fans, we would owe it to him to give more than 16 games before we start trashing him... Plummer has FAR more than 5 yrs. of NFL play under his belt, and FAR more familiarity in Kubes'/Denver system. We should give him a longer leash than Carr in the same system why??

Pop Quiz - Name how many different Offensive systems we've asked Carr to run in 5 years. (This includes blocking schemes, OC changes, etc.)

Bonus - From LT to RT, how many different combinations of lineman has Carr had in front of him in 5 years. (Remember, he's had no less than 3 different Centers this year alone.)

Edit: Feel free to agree / disagree w/ my points all you want, but giving Neg Rep everytime you disagree is getting old.

thunderkyss
01-02-2007, 07:31 PM
No, considering David's attempts per game fell from high 20s & 30s at the beginning of the season to low 20s and teens by the end of the season, I'd say Gary's lost the faith. Besides if the Coach and GM can't come out and specifically state that David is our QB of the future after taking a FULL year to "evaluate" his talent, then there is something very wrong.


Well they aren't stupid. They know the people in Houston are going to have to get accustomed to the idea that David will be back next year.

If we start the preseason with David as the starter, I'd be very very surprised. but I expect him to "win" the job by the time the season starts. Personally I believe it would be a mistake to start David, unless without clear evidence that the OL is fixed. I'd like to see at least 6 games with a big clean pocket on several occasions.

If this is in fact the way it goes down, then just like this year, forget about wins & loses. Although it would be nice to get a few wins.. although it would be nice to have a winning season.... it's not a high priority. If it goes down the way I'm predicting, fixing David....... getting him comfortable on the field is the primary goal.

kbourda
01-02-2007, 07:46 PM
I think Carr can be successful in Houston. He just needs to be given another shot and I think the Texas Copperheads are the team to give it to him. He can head down to their offices and ask for a try out. He might be successful in the Arena League and he doesn't have to worry about the pay since he already punched his meal ticket with the Texans. This way everyone wins. The Carr lovers can still see their boy locally, and the Texans can move in a better direction.


Ding, ding, ding! I think we have an early candidate for post of 2007!

Wolf
01-02-2007, 07:50 PM
maybe carr is going to be traded to miami, like he was rumored to go last season :heh:

Hulk75
01-02-2007, 07:56 PM
That's why I'm starting to question, Mr. McNair's ability to lead this franchise. This is the NFL, which means Not For Long. Five years of looking at Carr's potential is plenty. Its time to move on.

No, considering David's attempts per game fell from high 20s & 30s at the beginning of the season to low 20s and teens by the end of the season, I'd say Gary's lost the faith. Besides if the Coach and GM can't come out and specifically state that David is our QB of the future after taking a FULL year to "evaluate" his talent, then there is something very wrong.

I'm still trying to figure out why they couldn't look at the film and make that decision before the draft last year. Personally, I thought it was obvious.

Uh, I thought you stopped posting on this board?
To protect him just like Dom and Chris tried to do from getting his butt handed to him, worry about yourself, dont worry about what I do.

kbourda
01-02-2007, 07:58 PM
Plummer has FAR more than 5 yrs. of NFL play under his belt, and FAR more familiarity in Kubes'/Denver system. We should give him a longer leash than Carr in the same system why??

Pop Quiz - Name how many different Offensive systems we've asked Carr to run in 5 years. (This includes blocking schemes, OC changes, etc.)

Bonus - From LT to RT, how many different combinations of lineman has Carr had in front of him in 5 years. (Remember, he's had no less than 3 different Centers this year alone.)

Edit: Feel free to agree / disagree w/ my points all you want, but giving Neg Rep everytime you disagree is getting old.

Extra credit question...... Why is it that every QB, other than Ocho, that comes under center usually out performs in in every way? His situation isn't unique, ok. Why is it that people just can't accept Ocho is what he is? I see and have seen numerous QB's overcome adversities such as this. If you are willing to accept his short comings, so be it. But please don't come on here and blame other factors exclusively for his failures. That is even older. And for the record I don't agree with you. But that is my opinion as well as yours.

thunderkyss
01-02-2007, 08:00 PM
so the fans are supposed to sit through 5 years of bad QB play with Carr but then with Plummer its instant results or the Boo Birds come out?

just trying to clarify things. I am not huge on Plummer either but if he is brought in, he deserves a clean slate. as fans, we would owe it to him to give more than 16 games before we start trashing him...

You might be right, but it don't work that way in Houston.

IF Plummer stinks it up, the guys who boo-ed David will boo Jake. I seriously doubt that Jake Plummer is the first option for many(if any) fans. Bringing in Plummer would be like bringing in McCleon or Wade.......... or Buchanon. He get's on slack, so if Kubes brings him in, he better know what he's doing.

Then again, Jake's probably used to being boo-ed by now.

IF Plummer stinks it up, the guys who want Carr to be given one-more shot..... one-more time.... will boo Plumer. Of course most of those guys are in California, so you won't hear that at the stadium.

Honoring Earl 34
01-02-2007, 08:15 PM
To protect him just like Dom and Chris tried to do from getting his butt handed to him, worry about yourself, dont worry about what I do.

So Hulk ... whats #8s teamates going to say if they find out that you called Flannagan slow and fat , Lundy was just a 6th rd pick , blah blah blah .

He's gone and you know it or your not the sharpest knife in the drawer to call out your bro's teamates . I guess it's OK if you do it but God forbid if someone talks about the QB .

Why did you quit at UH ?

aj.
01-02-2007, 08:56 PM
Has it crossed anyones mind that Gary might like Carr as his QB and that he might think that he needs more help, .

Kubiak and almost everyone not related to Carr knows that the QB needs a lot of help -- probably a lot more than Kubiak thought when he took the head coaching job last January. That's part of the problem.

Kubiak's public statements have left every door open. If Carr was without question going to be his starting QB going into next season, Kubiak has had multiple opportunities to say so in the last couple of days. He hasn't and has opted to play the "everyone's being evaluated" card instead.

the wonger need food
01-02-2007, 08:57 PM
So Hulk ... whats #8s teamates going to say if they find out that you called Flannagan slow and fat , Lundy was just a 6th rd pick , blah blah blah .

He's gone and you know it or your not the sharpest knife in the drawer to call out your bro's teamates . I guess it's OK if you do it but God forbid if someone talks about the QB .

Why did you quit at UH ?

Hulk has thrown every player on the offense under the bus again this year. It's always everyone else's fault but Big Dave's. Apparantly it's everyone's job on the team to make Dave play well.... well... everyone except for Dave himself.

CowboysTexansFan
01-02-2007, 09:05 PM
So Hulk ... whats #8s teamates going to say if they find out that you called Flannagan slow and fat , Lundy was just a 6th rd pick , blah blah blah .

He's gone and you know it or your not the sharpest knife in the drawer to call out your bro's teamates . I guess it's OK if you do it but God forbid if someone talks about the QB .

Why did you quit at UH ?

He also threw Eric Winston under the bus fairly recently, and offered to bet anyone $1,000 that Winston would be released next year. I wish I had seen that post when it was first made, because I would've gladly taken the other side of the bet.

Someone else pointed out the irony of Hulk's willingness to almost instantly call for Winston's head (a 3rd round pick just starting to receive playing time), while at the same time he constantly pleads for MORE TIME for David, the first pick in his draft class, our $42+ million man with 5 years experience, who played like absolute garbage against Oakland and New England.

I'm sick of all the excuses made for Carr. Yes he's had it tough, but if he were a good player he would've showed more flashes of playmaking ability over the last 5 years, and would not have had some of the abysmal performances he had this past year with all the experience he has.

On a somewhat related note, I listened to Kubiak's radio show this evening. Naturally, he was asked about Carr. Kubiak characterized David's play this year as "up and down". Some games he played great, other games he knows David wishes he could've played better, just like the team. He was non-committal about David's future here, saying that Carr and all the other players and coaches would be evaluated in due course. Kubiak sounds like he's going to be very deliberate in this process, so we shouldn't expect an answer within the next few days.

I thought it was interesting that in response to a question about our rookie class, Kubiak said he was very pleased with the group. He also said that people look at guys like Andre and Dunta as established veterans, but in fact those are also young players for the future. It was interesting to me that Coach did not mention his QB in that group. I'm not saying that implies Carr won't be back next season, but I like the fact that Carr was not among the first group of guys he thought about when talking about how excited he was about the future.

the wonger need food
01-02-2007, 09:10 PM
Kubiak and almost everyone not related to Carr knows that the QB needs a lot of help -- probably a lot more than Kubiak thought when he took the head coaching job last January. That's part of the problem.

Kubiak's public statements have left every door open. If Carr was without question going to be his starting QB going into next season, Kubiak has had multiple opportunities to say so in the last couple of days. He hasn't and has opted to play the "everyone's being evaluated" card instead.

If you read between the lines all the signs are there. Tonight Coach Kubiak was talking about other quarterbacks and how they're leaders and special players. You never hear this said about Big Dave. He should be talking about him the way he talks about Rosenfels, who he has stated many times is a leader. And when Kubiak talks about making the offense better by getting playmakers or solidifying positions he never mentions the quarterback position or Dave specifically. The only thing he will say specifically about Carr is that he is going to be evaluated and that he was inconsistent this season. Not to metion the articles that are already out speculating that Carr is getting fired.

And it seems like Mr. McNair's stance has somewhat changed since the Tennessee game. No one in the organization is coming out and saying "Dave is our man", which is very telling. The writing is on the wall, they are definitely thinking about a new direction but have a huge problem with his salary since he's making superstar money and plays at a sub-Tim Couch level.

Hottoddie
01-02-2007, 09:39 PM
Well, at least we're not fighting over Reggie Bush vs. Vince Young vs. Trading down vs. Mario Williams this year. This year, it's either for Carr, or against Carr. We've all got a 50/50 chance of being right. I like those odds. :yes:

Koolaid Time
01-02-2007, 09:44 PM
maybe carr is going to be traded to miami, like he was rumored to go last season :heh:


Hey, if it wasn't for that insane contract that Michael Vick has, I'd say trade Carr for Vick straight up.

The Falcons are going in another direction, and the fans in the ATL are more down on Vick than we are on Carr. Its the perfect time to make a trade.

GuerillaBlack
01-02-2007, 10:17 PM
Hey, if it wasn't for that insane contract that Michael Vick has, I'd say trade Carr for Vick straight up.

The Falcons are going in another direction, and the fans in the ATL are more down on Vick than we are on Carr. Its the perfect time to make a trade.

Man, if McNair/Kubiak/Smith can make this happen at all, I would be so happy. I think Michael Vick could do well with us. I have a strong feeling that Carr is going to go. I think we are drafting Russell or Troy Smith this coming draft, maybe even Kolb. Kubiak has been throwing out players who couldn't move forward and win with the rest of the team (or play well). I think Carr is at the door, and Kubiak is about to push him out.

Ibar_Harry
01-02-2007, 11:21 PM
IMHO this is what i see it boiling down to. This is an account from when the Texans became a team up to now.

1. At QB DC has alot of trust issues with the line(understandable). I would say that since he has been in the league, he has been tortured. The texans make one good offseason move and expect miracles from DC. To me thats like putting a bandaid on a GSW. #2 makes part of this possible.

2. AT rb DD is very consistant, he gets injured every year, but i do not see in hate DD threads. OK he can run like he stole something and is a small but physical back, but what people are saying about DD is he's a good back. So from a conclusion i get from what the fans say is he is a talented back, but a sally, or he is a guy who will be good for half a season. # 3 makes part of 1&2 possible.

3. The o-line is horrendous. Or as i call it (I am sure DC thinks this way to) the o-crap line. I liken DC to a dog you have on the porch and you kick him for 3 years everyday. Every time you go on the porch the dog will freeze and cower, (DC seems to freeze on every snap in some games when the o-crap line is sleeping). I think it is some sort of complex by now that DC holds the ball too long. ( like the dog you kick the only thing he has is a damn bone and he will eat it before he lets his master take it away). Then you have oft injured DD. Poor DD I bet when he see's DE's in publice he shudders. He has no where to run except into the ground, because if they do not block for DC why would they block for DD????? #4 doesn't help 1&2 either because of #3.

4. The i should be on a special bus teams. Face it without a threat at a decent return specialist, ( and i do not mean JM he has potential but is not proven because of injuries). We do not get good field position, unless the other teams blocking breaks down. We have upgraded nicely here though so I expect more from this unit as far as kick returns go. However our Special teams are inconsistant at best as far as coverage goes.

5. Our defense as a whole is a bunch of guys (patch work if you will) over achieving at under achieving. They have so much potential, but no execution. I think they need to re-learn the fundamentals.

6. Our D-line has bright spots but seem too passive at some points like the say f#@% it man the offense will not score anyway whats the use of playing our a##%# off if we will just be right back out here after 3 and out??? I think MW will be strong next year. I think he had so much pressure on him to be the best and the fact that his foot is jacked up that is was too much for him. I mean what if you gave a really good interview for a job and got it, but everyone of your co-workers and those who watch the profit margins are betting that you are not employee of the month or even week potential and you try to perform at a level of a CEO (and that was expected from MW from training camp by the majority of the fans). It would almost be like going home and your mom and dad saying did you loose your really good overpaying job yet??? Quit limping sally and get to work I raised you better. (remember this announcement The rockets select Robert Horry!!!! BOO! BOO! BOO! BOO! and all the man did was put a rockets hat on to get that welcome to Houston now go home!)

7. Our secondary is atrocious! I mean D-rob is a bright spot but i think even he is getting weary. I feel sorry for him. He will be a Probowl DB but he needs help, and even he is showing signs of the mental mistakes and being lacksidasical. He is by far my favorite Texan though. He is a defensive leader who is talking to a bunch of texan jersy inserts who won't execute. That must be unnerving.

8. Play calling is way to conservative. At some point the coach has to say. Hey DC here is the freakin football go win us a game, and if you need guidence ask me thats what i am here for. I co-ordinate things in practice and get you ready for th game but I cannot play it for you too. If I was DC i would say. Hey coach let me sustain my position. Give some freedom and let me see what I can do, and if I stink then I will go, but if I win then let me keep doing what I am doing. (That is called taking ownership of your responsibilities as a leader) It's like at a casino, if you want to win big you have to bet big. I do not know of many people who put 1 nickel in a slot machine and walk out a millionaire. However # 2&3 severely affects # 8...no pun intended...lol!

9. Mismanagement of personnel. Now they have DW (A return SPECIALIST WOOHOO!!) He should get the starting nod as return man. Put JM in the offensive scheme. Work him like a dog as the #3 WR. Then in pre-season make him work it and earn his keep. ( I know he has been injured but we need him with his speed in the slot or flank. Teach him to be physical so he can get off the line, and i bet he can creat space so DC can air it out on both sides or in the post. Ever wonder why DC goes to AJ so much??? Well besides being a beast at WR he is fast (like JM) and can make plays. Well just a though here but if you have 2 fast guys with decnt hands hwy oh why don't you put them opposite of each other or hell next to eack other and streak one and post the other or something?????? I mean this is kindergarten stuff!! Right?? I equate this to the front office and previous coaching on the field myself. I do not know how others feel but I call it as I see it.


To sum it up here are the few bright spots that I see in the Texans.
1. D-ROB!!!!! (NEED I say more??)
2. DeMeco!!! (Excellent vision of the whole field and great awareness for a rookie)
3. Kubes!!!!! (If he is left alone which I do not know if others give input. I think he has potential as a head coach.)
4. Richard Smith (I think he can impose his will on the defense. He seems like a strong leader.)
Right now Kubes and the Texans are doing what Rumsfeld did with the Army. You go to war with what you have not what you wish to have. In other words until the leadership of the Texans realizes how much potential they have and put the square pegs in the square holes and the round pegs in the round holes (efficiency, and proper management of skills and abilities) Then they will not be successful.

Well I have:stirpot: long enough now it is time to :hides: while I get all of the rebuttles that i know will rain down. But hey I love it...lol:tease:

I've often stated I want my QB to call the plays and not the coach. All I know is two of the most successfull quarters the Texans have had was when Carr was allowed to call his own plays. He was never allowed to after that. I feel the QB's perspective of what is happening and what he sees is totally different from the coach on the side lines or the press box. The players look to the QB as much more of a leader when he is calling the plays. In addition the QB can ask for feedback from his players and they begin to feel like they are a unit working together. They have some say in the matter. May be they might even think of themseleves as a team.

If you don't think the QB knows what is happening just look at the game won by us against the Colts. Manning wanted to go for it and his head coach said no. Got news for you folks that was the decision that lost the games for the Colts. He knew what the momentum was and he understood why it was necessary to go for it. Everybody on the Web site was wondering why he was pissed. Well, now the coach knows.

There is another reason I want Carr to call his own plays and that has to do with distracting him from the mechanics by making him think about what he is trying to set up. When you are a robot, you really do not have ownership of what is happening and you are treated as such by the other players. I'm certain Kubiak has a vision of what is going to happen, but I don't think Carr has the same vision.

Its like the differnece in Basketball between Chamberlain and Russel. Chamberlain was a heck of an offensive player, but Russel was the master of all and knew where everyone was suppose to be and what was going to happen. Russel had total vision of the whole court, but Chamberlain didn't. Each was great when allowed to do what they did best. I think Carr would do quite well if Kubiak allowed Carr to play his game because that's what he does best. Its the same old Capers thing in spades.

CowboysTexansFan
01-03-2007, 12:42 AM
Here is a summary of The Sporting News' offseason game plan for the Texans. I don't know who TSN's correspondent is, but s/he thinks Carr's confidence is shot after all the hits he's taken. I think the author is pretty much correct about our needs, but forgot to mention we also need a FS and more help on the O-line.

"TEXANS OFFSEASON GAME PLAN: The needs will be plentiful, especially if the Texans trade QB David Carr. Carr's confidence is shot because he has taken so many hits. The Texans will search for a starting running back and move Ron Dayne into a short-yardage role. The Texans will look for pass rushers and a cornerback to start opposite Dunta Robinson. Adding a starting corner would move Demarcus Faggins to nickel back."


http://www.sportingnews.com/yourturn/viewtopic.php?t=163747

SamuraiSword
01-03-2007, 01:32 AM
I've often stated I want my QB to call the plays and not the coach. All I know is two of the most successfull quarters the Texans have had was when Carr was allowed to call his own plays. He was never allowed to after that. I feel the QB's perspective of what is happening and what he sees is totally different from the coach on the side lines or the press box. The players look to the QB as much more of a leader when he is calling the plays. In addition the QB can ask for feedback from his players and they begin to feel like they are a unit working together. They have some say in the matter. May be they might even think of themseleves as a team.

If you don't think the QB knows what is happening just look at the game won by us against the Colts. Manning wanted to go for it and his head coach said no. Got news for you folks that was the decision that lost the games for the Colts. He knew what the momentum was and he understood why it was necessary to go for it. Everybody on the Web site was wondering why he was pissed. Well, now the coach knows.

There is another reason I want Carr to call his own plays and that has to do with distracting him from the mechanics by making him think about what he is trying to set up. When you are a robot, you really do not have ownership of what is happening and you are treated as such by the other players. I'm certain Kubiak has a vision of what is going to happen, but I don't think Carr has the same vision.

Its like the differnece in Basketball between Chamberlain and Russel. Chamberlain was a heck of an offensive player, but Russel was the master of all and knew where everyone was suppose to be and what was going to happen. Russel had total vision of the whole court, but Chamberlain didn't. Each was great when allowed to do what they did best. I think Carr would do quite well if Kubiak allowed Carr to play his game because that's what he does best. Its the same old Capers thing in spades.


When Carr was under Capers he did show some signs he was doing well when he called his plays. I however believe Carr is just bored because the way he plays.The reason why I say this is because its psychological. He is so used to losing it is stuck in his head. I believe with a new team he would be back to his old self and don't have to worry about being sacked so much.

z0rpAn
01-03-2007, 02:33 AM
I dont see us getting a good deal for Carr. I do see us getting Plummer or another QB to compete so that Carr isnt just handed the job anymore.

aj.
01-03-2007, 02:39 AM
You don't have a guy who counts over 7 million on the cap 'competing' for the starting position. Guys who get paid that kind of jack are counted on to be starters - leaders - high quality, consistently good players. If they can't win or maintain the starting job while pulling that salary, the alternative is usually the highway.

shinerbock_girl
01-03-2007, 03:01 AM
I'm not a Plummer fan either. I feel our chances are better with Carr then Plummer. Theres a reason Denver wants to unload him.

everardo7206
01-03-2007, 03:43 AM
I found this article on Yahoo...say's Carr's status is 50/50.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/rumors/post/Carr-s-Texan-return-50-50?urn=nfl,19025

:stirpot:

interesting...but...don't want:
Drew ... blah, blah and more blah.
Daunte- NO, NO; overrated and difficult.
Jeff Garcia-could be interesting...shown improvement at Phil
Leftwich-injured to often!

Plummer....I think he may be the guy Kubiak will want,
but I also think we should give Sage a chance to earn the job.


well with the broncos plummer made mistakes often, but had the D to backhim up, and although his play wasnt spectacular, he owns the bootleg and his record at denver also backs him up

jayjordan
01-03-2007, 04:42 AM
Carr would be a good backup, plummer isnt really what we need he did lose his starting position to a rookie. why not give rosenfels a try for next season?

big sarge
01-03-2007, 06:27 AM
I've often stated I want my QB to call the plays and not the coach. All I know is two of the most successfull quarters the Texans have had was when Carr was allowed to call his own plays. He was never allowed to after that. I feel the QB's perspective of what is happening and what he sees is totally different from the coach on the side lines or the press box. The players look to the QB as much more of a leader when he is calling the plays. In addition the QB can ask for feedback from his players and they begin to feel like they are a unit working together. They have some say in the matter. May be they might even think of themseleves as a team.

If you don't think the QB knows what is happening just look at the game won by us against the Colts. Manning wanted to go for it and his head coach said no. Got news for you folks that was the decision that lost the games for the Colts. He knew what the momentum was and he understood why it was necessary to go for it. Everybody on the Web site was wondering why he was pissed. Well, now the coach knows.

There is another reason I want Carr to call his own plays and that has to do with distracting him from the mechanics by making him think about what he is trying to set up. When you are a robot, you really do not have ownership of what is happening and you are treated as such by the other players. I'm certain Kubiak has a vision of what is going to happen, but I don't think Carr has the same vision.

Its like the differnece in Basketball between Chamberlain and Russel. Chamberlain was a heck of an offensive player, but Russel was the master of all and knew where everyone was suppose to be and what was going to happen. Russel had total vision of the whole court, but Chamberlain didn't. Each was great when allowed to do what they did best. I think Carr would do quite well if Kubiak allowed Carr to play his game because that's what he does best. Its the same old Capers thing in spades.

This is an excellent post, and well said. If your a coach or a coordinator this should be your ultimate goal. This would take so much pressure off of the coaches, and force DC to perform like a leader, and instill confidence in him and the team.

jayjordan
01-03-2007, 06:35 AM
I've often stated I want my QB to call the plays and not the coach. All I know is two of the most successfull quarters the Texans have had was when Carr was allowed to call his own plays. He was never allowed to after that. I feel the QB's perspective of what is happening and what he sees is totally different from the coach on the side lines or the press box. The players look to the QB as much more of a leader when he is calling the plays. In addition the QB can ask for feedback from his players and they begin to feel like they are a unit working together. They have some say in the matter. May be they might even think of themseleves as a team.

If you don't think the QB knows what is happening just look at the game won by us against the Colts. Manning wanted to go for it and his head coach said no. Got news for you folks that was the decision that lost the games for the Colts. He knew what the momentum was and he understood why it was necessary to go for it. Everybody on the Web site was wondering why he was pissed. Well, now the coach knows.

There is another reason I want Carr to call his own plays and that has to do with distracting him from the mechanics by making him think about what he is trying to set up. When you are a robot, you really do not have ownership of what is happening and you are treated as such by the other players. I'm certain Kubiak has a vision of what is going to happen, but I don't think Carr has the same vision.

Its like the differnece in Basketball between Chamberlain and Russel. Chamberlain was a heck of an offensive player, but Russel was the master of all and knew where everyone was suppose to be and what was going to happen. Russel had total vision of the whole court, but Chamberlain didn't. Each was great when allowed to do what they did best. I think Carr would do quite well if Kubiak allowed Carr to play his game because that's what he does best. Its the same old Capers thing in spades.




I agree but as a QB cant you audible and hot route your receivers.Im pretty sure if david wanted to do certain things in some situations they would have let him. For example, nearing the end of the titans game kubiak told carr what he wanted to do and asked carr if that was what he wanted to do and carr didnt have that desire or fire in his eye or will to try to march down the field.He is able to do more than what is seen he just doesnt.

big sarge
01-03-2007, 06:36 AM
Carr would be a good backup, plummer isnt really what we need he did lose his starting position to a rookie. why not give rosenfels a try for next season?


I am not sold on SR for a couple of reasons.

1. Ok so he looked really good in a mop up situation. Right? Well i remember 1 game where Wali lundy looked really good and ran for over a hundred yards, but the next game he fizzled for under 30. I am telling you guys and gals that DC may not be the QB for our team but he does the best with he has. SR would run into the same problems whether he is a winner or not. The sacks would start comming and the texans fans would eat him alive. There would be signs saying bring back DC all over the stands.

2. This offense is used to playing around DC not SR. If you put the fng in there he might for a couple of games be on track, but after that you would think that all of a sudden everyone had brain damage, and not just DC...lol! There is a certain tempo that players have with each other. On good teams the tempo is high and everyone is on the same page. On a bad team only a few people see the big picture and are trying to tell them how they can get better while all the time they spend they are being sucked dry of their resilliance.

I have never seen the Texans play as a fully functional team in their existance.

jayjordan
01-03-2007, 06:40 AM
I am not sold on SR for a couple of reasons.

1. Ok so he looked really good in a mop up situation. Right? Well i remember 1 game where Wali lundy looked really good and ran for over a hundred yards, but the next game he fizzled for under 30. I am telling you guys and gals that DC may not be the QB for our team but he does the best with he has. SR would run into the same problems whether he is a winner or not. The sacks would start comming and the texans fans would eat him alive. There would be signs saying bring back DC all over the stands.

2. This offense is used to playing around DC not SR. If you put the fng in there he might for a couple of games be on track, but after that you would think that all of a sudden everyone had brain damage, and not just DC...lol! There is a certain tempo that players have with each other. On good teams the tempo is high and everyone is on the same page. On a bad team only a few people see the big picture and are trying to tell them how they can get better while all the time they spend they are being sucked dry of their resilliance.

I have never seen the Texans play as a fully functional team in their existance.



Yea SR hasnt really played a full game that I can think of but everytime he came in it seemed like there was results and it looked as if the chemistry was a little better.The team could react differently to SR than DC.SR could have that leadership that carr didnt.Im just saying they gave carr 5 years at least give SR 1 year.:challenge

brewhaus
01-03-2007, 07:48 AM
I found this article on Yahoo...say's Carr's status is 50/50.

Don't you just love the way the writer took the opportunity to sneek in "The Texans passed on Reggie Bush and Vince Young in the 2006 draft to pick DE Mario Williams."................Geeze!

Koolaid Time
01-03-2007, 09:21 AM
You don't have a guy who counts over 7 million on the cap 'competing' for the starting position. Guys who get paid that kind of jack are counted on to be starters - leaders - high quality, consistently good players. If they can't win or maintain the starting job while pulling that salary, the alternative is usually the highway.

Any decent Free Agent starting NFL QB with a decent track record will cost as much as what Carr is making....

And any decent agent representing a Free Agent QB will ask the Texans right off the bat to show concrete improvement on the offensive line- THEN start talking about signing the QB. The agent isn't going to send his client to Houston to become a backfield piņata. That's a good way to lose a client.

The best solution is is a trade-in for Carr. Trade Carr to Detroit or Green Bay and get a 2007 second or third round draft choice.

the wonger need food
01-03-2007, 09:38 AM
Any decent Free Agent starting NFL QB with a decent track record will cost as much as what Carr is making....

And any decent agent representing a Free Agent QB will ask the Texans right off the bat to show concrete improvement on the offensive line- THEN start talking about signing the QB. The agent isn't going to send his client to Houston to become a backfield piņata. That's a good way to lose a client.

The best solution is is a trade-in for Carr. Trade Carr to Detroit or Green Bay and get a 2007 second or third round draft choice.


So we should assume that Kurt Warner has fired his agent? Can you give us some more insight into the world of sports agents?

No way you get a 3rd, much less a 2nd for Carr. He is a project.

Hulk75
01-03-2007, 09:44 AM
So Hulk ... whats #8s teamates going to say if they find out that you called Flannagan slow and fat , Lundy was just a 6th rd pick , blah blah blah .

He's gone and you know it or your not the sharpest knife in the drawer to call out your bro's teamates . I guess it's OK if you do it but God forbid if someone talks about the QB .

Why did you quit at UH ?

Nothing they dont know right? Am I lying about that.

And I had a heart Problem thanks, my grandma died when I was 9 you want to discuss that too, I am sure it was further then you have gotten...........

Honoring Earl 34
01-03-2007, 09:47 AM
Nothing they dont know right? Am I lying about that.

And I had a heart Problem thanks, my grandma died when I was 9 you want to discuss that too, I am sure it was further then you have gotten...........

I was'nt knocking you for leaving I just remember it .

Koolaid Time
01-03-2007, 09:51 AM
So we should assume that Kurt Warner has fired his agent? Can you give us some more insight into the world of sports agents?

No way you get a 3rd, much less a 2nd for Carr. He is a project.

Roster moves are part of the consideration. If a player has incentive clauses that significantly increase the value of his contract, you are going to make sure the player has the tools and support to hit the marks. Why negotiate incentives if there is no way to make them.

Porky
01-03-2007, 11:49 AM
Here's my guess at what happens.

They try to peddle Carr, but have no takers due to the contract.

They sign Jake Plummer to an incentive laden contract.

They draft a QB in the second or 3rd. Smith or Kolb in the second, or maybe that Beck kid, or Drew Stanton in the 3rd.

After June 1, they release Carr outright.

In camp, there is a competition between Rosenfels, and Plummer, with PLummer the likely winner. Newly drafted kid remains #3 all year, and holds a clipboard.

kingh99
01-03-2007, 12:01 PM
my thoughts exactly. the guy has shown next to nothing for 5 years. it's not like any team is going to give us anything for him...the only way he will be traded is if we are forced to eat someone else's overpaid with low production player under contract.

IMHO, teams will just wait until he is released after the June roster date. This will lessen the Texans cap hit for releasing him and as well as let Carr enter the open market.

another possibility would be that Carr may be given a Pennington-like ultimatum and told to restructure deal or face being cut. Tie this reworked contract to incentives off statistics, wins, and playoffs that could approach his current deal's numbers. I doubt the Texans would go that route though. They have been carebear-ing Carr since DayOne. They don't want to hurt the 'face of the franchise'. Why expect a change now.....

here is to 2007 without Carr as starting QB and building our team identity around defense and a ball control offense.


He's not getting released. Jeez. You think these guys who can play not to lose grow on trees. It's hard finding a yes man of this caliber. He's staying. He's happy. He's employed. He plays football on Sundays. McNair wants a bunch of yes men and this guy fits the bill to a T.

Enjoy my comments mods?

Koolaid Time
01-03-2007, 12:06 PM
Here's my guess at what happens.

They try to peddle Carr, but have no takers due to the contract.

They sign Jake Plummer to an incentive laden contract.

They draft a QB in the second or 3rd. Smith or Kolb in the second, or maybe that Beck kid, or Drew Stanton in the 3rd.

After June 1, they release Carr outright.

In camp, there is a competition between Rosenfels, and Plummer, with PLummer the likely winner. Newly drafted kid remains #3 all year, and holds a clipboard.


Thats possible... lets do the "cap math" on this and see what is the bottom line is.

As for Kolb (#3) guy holding a clipboard all season... if there is a slow start and the expected "fan revolt" expect McNair to do something to keep the seats filled.. including starting the #3. What does he have to lose?

CarrIsFine
01-03-2007, 12:50 PM
Here's my guess at what happens.

Carr stays.

Carr haters spend half their waking hours posting complaints.

Carr haters that hold season tickets continue to pay his salary.

Isn't it ironic?

HOU-TEX
01-03-2007, 12:53 PM
Here's my guess at what happens.

Carr stays.

Carr haters spend half their waking hours posting complaints.

Carr haters that hold season tickets continue to pay his salary.

The Texans continue to lose with Carr at the helm.

Isn't it ironic?

There ya go. I fixed it for you.:)

aj.
01-03-2007, 01:12 PM
Any decent Free Agent starting NFL QB with a decent track record will cost as much as what Carr is making....

And any decent agent representing a Free Agent QB will ask the Texans right off the bat to show concrete improvement on the offensive line- THEN start talking about signing the QB. The agent isn't going to send his client to Houston to become a backfield piņata. That's a good way to lose a client.

The best solution is is a trade-in for Carr. Trade Carr to Detroit or Green Bay and get a 2007 second or third round draft choice.

I'd love to have a "decent starting NFL QB with a decent track record," then I wouldn't mind paying him Top Ten money. Know where we can get one?

In 2005, there were only 8 QB's in the NFL with higher cap numbers than Carr. Seven of them were named Favre, Manning, Brady, Brees, Vick, McNabb, and Culpepper. The eighth was Harrington who was the only other anomaly (along with Carr) among the top 9 cap numbers for QB's in the NFL.

Your're dreaming if you thing Carr will fetch a high second or third. His market was set last year when Miami got Harrington for a fifth. Harrington couldn't even win that job outright.

hollywood_texan
01-03-2007, 01:25 PM
Here's my guess at what happens.

Carr stays.

Carr haters spend half their waking hours posting complaints.

Carr haters that hold season tickets continue to pay his salary.

Isn't it ironic?

Maybe the "Carr haters", as you call them, are more Texans fans than anything else.

Not really so ironic if you think about it.

kingh99
01-03-2007, 01:33 PM
He also threw Eric Winston under the bus fairly recently, and offered to bet anyone $1,000 that Winston would be released next year.


That's dean of clown college type stuff. Winston graded out just fine, thank you. Everytime I looked at him he was either riding Freeney and Mathis like they were his personal bitches or pushing his guy out the picture.

I attended every home game this year including preseason except the Browns game and the Titans game (couldn't bear to watch what I suspected would happen,,, and it did in spades) so yeah I have a decent perspective on things and have paid for the right to express them.

If this guy Hulk75 is related to the Carr's I'll eat my dog's output for the day.

aj.
01-03-2007, 01:36 PM
Forgot another one:

Originally Posted by CarrIsFine
Here's my guess at what happens.

Carr stays.

Carr haters spend half their waking hours posting complaints.

While others spend all their waking hours blindly defending their boy and blaming others for his shortcomings while being oblivious to the fact that many of the criticisms are coming from Texans fans who really don't hate the guy and wanted him to succeed, but realize the high likelihood that it ain't going to happen.

Carr haters that hold season tickets continue to pay his salary.

Isn't it ironic?

TexanFanInCC
01-03-2007, 01:53 PM
maybe carr is going to be traded to miami, like he was rumored to go last season :heh:

yeah nothing better for carr than to be reunited with dom capers. maybe capers will make him a linebacker. :shades:

CowboysTexansFan
01-03-2007, 02:10 PM
Forgot another one:

Great post, AJ. I don't hate Carr at all and wished to heck he had succeeded. It was only until recently that I concluded the team needs and deserves an upgrade at the position.

Koolaid Time
01-03-2007, 02:16 PM
Your're dreaming if you thing Carr will fetch a high second or third. His market was set last year when Miami got Harrington for a fifth. Harrington couldn't even win that job outright.

Chicago gave Seattle a #1 for a washed up Rick Mirer. The Cowboys gave us a #3 for Henson.

How many times do GMs make stupid illogical trades in the NFL? Its about time we caught a break on a trade.

aj.
01-03-2007, 06:43 PM
How many times do GMs make stupid illogical trades in the NFL? Its about time we caught a break on a trade.

Just hope Casserly gets a job somewhere because he will be hell bent to show that his first overall pick with the Texans wasn't a failure. (not joking here)

disaacks3
01-03-2007, 07:02 PM
Great post, AJ. I don't hate Carr at all and wished to heck he had succeeded. It was only until recently that I concluded the team needs and deserves an upgrade at the position. I agree, but would like to add two things.

1. If Carr is broke, it's the Texans who broke him.
2. If he isn't broke, I'd rather spend whatever it takes to get a real O-Line formed so that WHOEVER comes in here to play won't have to be hideously overpaid in Free Agency to do so.

I want the franchise to get things turned around, and I don't care WHO they have to get rid of / bring in to get it done. I just get tired of all the people w/ blinders on that think because Rosenfels "lit up" the Titans scrubs in the game @ Nashville, that DC is >50% responsible for the team doing poorly. Ironically, those tend to be the SAME posters who failed to give Carr credit for lighting up the Colts scrubs late in the game @ Indy.

CowboysTexansFan
01-03-2007, 07:21 PM
I agree, but would like to add two things.

1. If Carr is broke, it's the Texans who broke him.
2. If he isn't broke, I'd rather spend whatever it takes to get a real O-Line formed so that WHOEVER comes in here to play won't have to be hideously overpaid in Free Agency to do so.

I want the franchise to get things turned around, and I don't care WHO they have to get rid of / bring in to get it done. I just get tired of all the people w/ blinders on that think because Rosenfels "lit up" the Titans scrubs in the game @ Nashville, that DC is >50% responsible for the team doing poorly. Ironically, those tend to be the SAME posters who failed to give Carr credit for lighting up the Colts scrubs late in the game @ Indy.


I think Carr is broken. It may very well have been the Texans who broke him--thanks for nothing Casserly. How any NFL team owner with a functioning brain would even consider Casserly to be the GM of his team is beyond me, but I digress.

Because I think Carr is broken, I think the team needs to go in another direction, because his salary is not justified by his play. That may end up being better for David as well, as other QB's who failed with one team have gone on to achieve a good deal of success in another environment. Jim Plunkett and Jim Harbaugh are two guys that come to mind quickly; there are plenty of others.

I completely agree with your sentence in bold. I'm not sure Sage is the answer, but Kubiak thinks highly of him and I'm fine with the team giving him a chance to win the starting job. I'd like to see the team bring in Garcia over Plummer as part of the competition, but the key is that whoever is the team's starting QB next year should have to earn the job.

thunderkyss
01-03-2007, 07:28 PM
I just get tired of all the people w/ blinders on that think because Rosenfels "lit up" the Titans scrubs in the game @ Nashville, that DC is >50% responsible for the team doing poorly. Ironically, those tend to be the SAME posters who failed to give Carr credit for lighting up the Colts scrubs late in the game @ Indy.

What about those of us who noticed the shotgun & a real 5 wide set..... a real empty backfield... & a vertical offense with a career backup after never seeing those things with our 5 year starter??

Mr. White
01-03-2007, 07:30 PM
People around here have a pretty good reason for preferring Rosenfels to Carr.

He moves the ball.

Runner
01-03-2007, 07:33 PM
What about those of us who noticed the shotgun & a real 5 wide set..... a real empty backfield... & a vertical offense with a career backup after never seeing those things with our 5 year starter??

Or those that noticed we didn't use the shotgun even after McKinney was back at center and Hodgdon wasn't there to blame. Hmmm....

thunderkyss
01-03-2007, 07:35 PM
Or those that noticed we didn't use the shotgun even after McKinney was back at center and Hodgdon wasn't there to blame. Hmmm....

Actually Carr was in the shotgun once during the Cleveland game..... he looked uncomfortable..... to me. The result was about the same I think.

Runner
01-03-2007, 07:44 PM
Actually Carr was in the shotgun once during the Cleveland game..... he looked uncomfortable..... to me. The result was about the same I think.

Darn it - I didn't see every play as I usually do because I was watching two games at once in a sports bar.

I knew that was a risky post. Busted.

But did McKinney get him the ball OK? :)

Mr. White
01-03-2007, 07:48 PM
Darn it - I didn't see every play as I usually do because I was watching two games at once in a sports bar.


:ok: I was "watching 2 games at once," too.:party: :shots:

aj.
01-03-2007, 07:52 PM
Actually Carr was in the shotgun once during the Cleveland game..... he looked uncomfortable..... to me. The result was about the same I think.

I remember shotgun twice. Once on the AJ offensive pass interference and the other on the Carr designed run on a 3rd and 3 or something.. (at least 4 wides on that one from what I recall).

Kubiak has said multiple times that he doesn't like Carr in the shotgun because he tends to speed up* even moreso than when he's under center.

*impatience in reads, panic, etc...

dirty steve
01-03-2007, 11:28 PM
Great post, AJ. I don't hate Carr at all and wished to heck he had succeeded. It was only until recently that I concluded the team needs and deserves an upgrade at the position.
kind of my thinking also. i went into 2006 giving him a chance to succeed, or at least make the most minor improvements and show some consistentcy over more than 1-2 games in a row. it just hasn't happened, and that's why legitimate options need to be sought out.