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Ibar_Harry
01-01-2007, 10:19 PM
http://www.houstontexans.com/insider/home.php?section=Texans%20Insider

I would like you to watch the sack of Carr. I think this gives us a view all of us can look at and you can stop the motion and look at it. I watched the LT(74) allowed his man to beat him by going to his front where the QB is stepping up to throw the ball. In addition the LT immediately moves back to Carr's position literally to begin the block. The guy reaches Carr's position about the same time Carr does. If you look closely you will see another defender has beat his man OG(69) and is bearing down on the QB but is picked up by McKinney the center at the last second. Meanwhile 69 moves down the field to block someone. There is no pressure from the right side of the line.

On the previous offensive series by the Brown's you see the QB step up into the pocket to throw the ball. We intercept it, but the point is he has a pocket to step up into and throw the ball. Carr doesn't have that and he hasn't had that all along. The left side of the line has been a big problem for us for a long time. That particular play is classic Texans O-line play.

I would love to know what you guys think of this sack. You may have a different take on it, but I think it gives us all a chance to look at a common reference point.

STEEL BLUE TEXANS
01-01-2007, 10:38 PM
Feel the pressure coming and slide your feet to the right where there was no defender nearby. Is that asking too much of a franchise QB?

the wonger need food
01-01-2007, 10:43 PM
Feel the pressure coming and slide your feet to the right where there was no defender nearby. Is that asking too much of a franchise QB?

Exactly. We saw Sage do this plenty when he played.

TPIMP
01-01-2007, 10:44 PM
http://www.houstontexans.com/insider/home.php?section=Texans%20Insider

I would like you to watch the sack of Carr. I think this gives us a view all of us can look at and you can stop the motion and look at it. I watched the LT(74) allowed his man to beat him by going to his front where the QB is stepping up to throw the ball. In addition the LT immediately moves back to Carr's position literally to begin the block. The guy reaches Carr's position about the same time Carr does. If you look closely you will see another defender has beat his man OG(69) and is bearing down on the QB but is picked up by McKinney the center at the last second. Meanwhile 69 moves down the field to block someone. There is no pressure from the right side of the line.


On the previous offensive series by the Brown's you see the QB step up into the pocket to throw the ball. We intercept it, but the point is he has a pocket to step up into and throw the ball. Carr doesn't have that and he hasn't had that all along. The left side of the line has been a big problem for us for a long time. That particular play is classic Texans O-line play.

I would love to know what you guys think of this sack. You may have a different take on it, but I think it gives us all a chance to look at a common reference point.

Pretty good example of the pass protection problems of the last few years. It's true Carr doesn't show good pocket presence but that is to be expected when he has rarely seen a true pocket.

the wonger need food
01-01-2007, 10:46 PM
Pretty good example of the pass protection problems of the last few years. It's true Carr doesn't show good pocket presence but that is to be expected when he has rarely seen a true pocket.

He needs to spend his offseason with Matt Leinart and Tony Romo, they could teach him a thing or two about being successful behind bad offensive lines.

TPIMP
01-01-2007, 10:47 PM
Exactly. We saw Sage do this plenty when he played.

Sage did show good pocket presence when he played in Tenn. But he took a beating. Those beating's take a toll and change a QB over time.

tulexan
01-01-2007, 10:48 PM
Maybe Carr should be sent to a psychiatrist like Boise State did with Zibransky.

TPIMP
01-01-2007, 10:51 PM
He needs to spend his offseason with Matt Leinart and Tony Romo, they could teach him a thing or two about being successful behind bad offensive lines.

Good examples of what happens when you the QB get's hit too much. They both played poorly in their last two games.

the wonger need food
01-01-2007, 10:54 PM
Good examples of what happens when you the QB get's hit too much. They both played poorly in their last two games.

Poorly, but still much, much better than Carr. Carr is redefining the term "playing poorly" this year. It's really hard to compare his games to other QB's.

the wonger need food
01-01-2007, 10:55 PM
Sage did show good pocket presence when he played in Tenn. But he took a beating. Those beating's take a toll and change a QB over time.

He showed it in preseason also. Every NFL QB gets hit, it's time to stop using it as an excuse for Carr.

Texian
01-01-2007, 11:00 PM
Salaam just got beat. He was bull rushed and he lost his leverage. Carr has to assume that the tackle will hold his man or take him outside so Carr can step up and avoid the sack. Carr did exactly what you are suppose to do, how did he know that his tackle was going to break the cardinal rule and let his man beat him to the inside and collapse the pocket. This has been a big problem all year. Carr is unable to get a 5 or 7 step drop w/o a pass rush being on top of him. That's why Kubiak has called for so many 3 step drops and short passes. Carr also couldn't work from the shotgun because of problems with the center snap. There are many Carr detractors who will say this bull but the fact is this is what he had to work with.

So for the Carr detractors, I will give you this, to many times when Carr has found himself in this position he has put the ball on the ground instead of taking care of the football. This is where Carr got careless and it deminished his ability to manage the game. If a RB had fumbled as many times as Carr he would probably be riding the pine. As often as pass protection failed, Carr should be more aware about taking care of the football. I think this is where Kubiak gets exasperated with Carr.

Tx'nFanLostInSkinCountry
01-01-2007, 11:01 PM
Maybe Carr should be sent to a psychiatrist like Boise State did with Zibransky.

When the play-by-play guys said that the same thought went through my head. LOL

Ibar_Harry
01-02-2007, 12:41 AM
Thanks to all that looked at the video and responded. Again, I thought this part of the video really showed how it is on the field. Again, when I look at the pocket being formed by the Browns, it appears to be on both sides of the QB. On many occasions I believe we see it only on the left side of the QB with respect to the Texans. Am I wrong about that?

utahmark
01-02-2007, 12:59 AM
http://www.houstontexans.com/insider/home.php?section=Texans%20Insider

I would like you to watch the sack of Carr. I think this gives us a view all of us can look at and you can stop the motion and look at it. I watched the LT(74) allowed his man to beat him by going to his front where the QB is stepping up to throw the ball. In addition the LT immediately moves back to Carr's position literally to begin the block. The guy reaches Carr's position about the same time Carr does. If you look closely you will see another defender has beat his man OG(69) and is bearing down on the QB but is picked up by McKinney the center at the last second. Meanwhile 69 moves down the field to block someone. There is no pressure from the right side of the line.

On the previous offensive series by the Brown's you see the QB step up into the pocket to throw the ball. We intercept it, but the point is he has a pocket to step up into and throw the ball. Carr doesn't have that and he hasn't had that all along. The left side of the line has been a big problem for us for a long time. That particular play is classic Texans O-line play.

I would love to know what you guys think of this sack. You may have a different take on it, but I think it gives us all a chance to look at a common reference point.

imo the brown qb steps up in the pocket and gets rid off the ball before the presure actually gets to him.

the guy from the browns beats our lt to the inside(something that shouldnt happen) carr cant step up our move to the right the guy is in his face.

our ends gets pushed behind the qb like they should. their end beats our lt to the inside. you say their guy at least got rid of it for an int. i would rather carr take the sack.

Ibar_Harry
01-02-2007, 01:11 AM
imo the brown qb steps up in the pocket and gets rid off the ball before the presure actually gets to him.

the guy from the browns beats our lt to the inside(something that shouldnt happen) carr cant step up our move to the right the guy is in his face.

our ends gets pushed behind the qb like they should. their end beats our lt to the inside. you say their guy at least got rid of it for an int. i would rather carr take the sack.

I wasn't commenting that Carr should throw and INT. I was just stating there was a pocket for the Brown's QB to throw from, but not Carr. A pocket doesn't quarrantee a pass completion, but there is a greater probability that something good will happen if the QB has time.

How many people have commented on this board that we get beat defensively because we never put enough pressure on the opposition's QB. If that's the case and that's what you want to do, then why don't the Texans get more pressure on the opposing QB and reduce the pressure on our QB. Its a simple suggestion, but I guess not easily implimented.

utahmark
01-02-2007, 01:32 AM
I wasn't commenting that Carr should throw and INT. I was just stating there was a pocket for the Brown's QB to throw from, but not Carr. A pocket doesn't quarrantee a pass completion, but there is a greater probability that something good will happen if the QB has time.

How many people have commented on this board that we get beat defensively because we never put enough pressure on the opposition's QB. If that's the case and that's what you want to do, then why don't the Texans get more pressure on the opposing QB and reduce the pressure on our QB. Its a simple suggestion, but I guess not easily implimented.

i think we saw the same thing i just misinterperated you.