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Texian
12-31-2006, 08:04 PM
#8. LaRon Landry, FS
#39. Ryan Harris, OT or Tony Ugoh, OT
#73. Fred Bennett, CB

stingray
12-31-2006, 08:27 PM
It's gonna be J-mac.. Russel with the 8th pick

Mr teX
12-31-2006, 08:29 PM
Laron Landry?

Come on Kubiak & Smith make it happen!:highfive:

cadahnic
12-31-2006, 08:34 PM
At the moment my priority list remains:
1) Adrian Peterson
2) Leon Hall
3) LaRon Landry

This list is subject to change over the coming months and will likely change several times.

edo783
12-31-2006, 08:37 PM
It's gonna be J-mac.. Russel with the 8th pick

Russel would be a great pick, but I doubt he is there at the 8th.

BattleRedToro
12-31-2006, 08:49 PM
Somebody other than who the sports media thinks the Texans should take, so the whining and gnashing of teeth will continue.

Goldeagle
12-31-2006, 08:56 PM
Trade down

Get either Landry, (EDIT) my bad, Nelson, or Merriweather

Reggie Nelson S 6'1 193 Florida

CharloTex
12-31-2006, 08:59 PM
If we have the 8th pick in the first round, I believe that Minn would then leap frog us to the back of the 3-team, 6-win team pack and we would therefore edge foreward to get the 39th pick, but then we would leap to the back of the line and get the 73rd. Please advise.

David's Busted Carr
12-31-2006, 09:00 PM
Is that Jamarcus Russell? Are you guys serious? No way I want that guy. He won't even be a first round pick.

If we can't get AP which we won't b/c Cleveland will take him, then we need a safety or corner.

YoungTexanFan
12-31-2006, 09:09 PM
Is that Jamarcus Russell? Are you guys serious? No way I want that guy. He won't even be a first round pick.

If we can't get AP which we won't b/c Cleveland will take him, then we need a safety or corner.

If Russell comes out, he is a first round lock. He should push Quinn for first QB taken.


Yes.

YoungTexanFan
12-31-2006, 09:10 PM
#8. LaRon Landry, FS
#40. Ryan Harris, OT or Tony Ugoh, OT
#72. Fred Bennett, CB

Fred Bennett won't be there in the 3rd. He is going to fly up the boards just like Johnathen Joseph last year. Measurables guy.

texanfan2100
12-31-2006, 09:13 PM
At the moment my priority list remains:
1) Adrian Peterson
2) Leon Hall
3) LaRon Landry

This list is subject to change over the coming months and will likely change several times.


No way Peterson is still on the board with the 8th pick. I would love to see it happen, but it won't.

According to the chronicle, the following are the Texans picks:

1st round - 8th pick
2nd round - 7th pick
3rd round - 9th pick
4th round - 8th pick
5th round - 7th pick
6th round - 9th pick
7th round - 8th pick

Basically, the order rotates among the three 6-10 teams (Minnesota, Miami, and Houston).

htownfoozball
12-31-2006, 09:21 PM
1-landry or revis.
2-OT or S or CB
3-Kareem Brown

mexican_texan
12-31-2006, 09:39 PM
Leon Hall

tulexan
12-31-2006, 11:24 PM
Marshawn Lynch

I know Taylor had a good game, but come on it was an injured Browns team with nothing to play for.

jjcorvallis
12-31-2006, 11:30 PM
uh.... am i the only one who wants Alan Branch? we have a terrible pass rush even though we blitz a lot, and Mario Williams always get double-blocked. Alan Branch will help stopping the run, too.

phantom17
12-31-2006, 11:50 PM
uh.... am i the only one who wants Alan Branch? we have a terrible pass rush even though we blitz a lot, and Mario Williams always get double-blocked. Alan Branch will help stopping the run, too.

I like this pick! We need more PUSH in the middle instead of just holding the line! Payne might be done & T.J. might not be the answer! Please KEEP Maddox & Dalton for depth! GO TEXANS! :) :snobord:

YoungTexanFan
12-31-2006, 11:51 PM
uh.... am i the only one who wants Alan Branch? we have a terrible pass rush even though we blitz a lot, and Mario Williams always get double-blocked. Alan Branch will help stopping the run, too.

How do you think Branch will help Mario? He doesn't get pennatration. He had 1 freaking sack for all his size and potential. He is a clog who doesn't excell at run stopping either. You want a DT, ok. Look at Okoye, Mebane, Bryant, Harrell, Dorsey...look past wasting our #1 pick on a guy who won't actually help Mario.

mexican_texan
12-31-2006, 11:54 PM
How many DT's have significant impact in their first year and a half? I don't like Branch with this pick.

Signed,
Travis Johnson

YoungTexanFan
12-31-2006, 11:57 PM
How many DT's have significant impact in their first year and a half? I don't like Branch with this pick.

Signed,
Travis Johnson

Very few DT's have the physicallity to succede, then there is the whole technique and getting past the offensive holding thing. DT is a hard position to make an impact in initially. That is why I support a later round DT who can pennatrate rather than Branch who is big but is more of a clog than a player. He gets decent push, but nothing special. Let's just say he isn't that high on the big board I just posted.

cptnbreakdance
01-01-2007, 12:01 AM
#8. LaRon Landry, FS
#39. Ryan Harris, OT or Tony Ugoh, OT
#73. Fred Bennett, CB

I like this better.

#8 Reggie Nelson, FS (More of a ballhawk than Landry, just as big of a hitter)
#39 Michael Bush, RB (Big time power back w/ speed to boot)
#73 Fred Bennet, CB

tburdette
01-01-2007, 01:13 AM
I like this better.

#8 Reggie Nelson, FS (More of a ballhawk than Landry, just as big of a hitter)
#39 Michael Bush, RB (Big time power back w/ speed to boot)
#73 Fred Bennet, CB

I think that Bush can stay one more can stay one more year and if I am right then I think he will. By staying all he can do is boost his draft stock since he broke his leg this year.

threetoedpete
01-01-2007, 01:45 AM
uh.... am i the only one who wants Alan Branch? we have a terrible pass rush even though we blitz a lot, and Mario Williams always get double-blocked. Alan Branch will help stopping the run, too.

Nope ,I'm with ya. He is the most solid, safest pick of those that have been posted so far. TJ is a season a way from busting. Payne is out and on the wrong side of 30. He needs fewer snaps not more. And the absolutly the worst thing we can do is move a functioning blue chip DE, Weaver, inside and make him ordinary. We got enough ordinary on this club. Enough ordinary to float an aircraft carrier. :tearup:

threetoedpete
01-01-2007, 01:49 AM
Fred Bennett won't be there in the 3rd. He is going to fly up the boards just like Johnathen Joseph last year. Measurables guy.

I dunno YTF, Bennett didn't play very well down the stretch that I saw. I like the guy too, but as beerlover points out, the numbers aren't the only thing. Think the kid form Geogia, Tra Battle, and the kid from Wake forest are now my third/fourth round FS prospects.

mexican_texan
01-01-2007, 01:53 AM
I don't know if I can justify passing on JaMarcus Russell...but would it really be wise to have so much money tied up at the QB position.

TEXANS84
01-01-2007, 02:06 AM
It's gonna be J-mac.. Russel with the 8th pick

I would absolutely love that pick. That or Smith in the 2nd, or Kolb in the 3rd.

Texian
01-01-2007, 02:07 AM
I like this better.

#8 Reggie Nelson, FS (More of a ballhawk than Landry, just as big of a hitter)
#39 Michael Bush, RB (Big time power back w/ speed to boot)
#73 Fred Bennet, CB

Right now the thing with Bush is he has justed started back training. He is somewhat out of shape and doing some light running and lifting. The question is will he be ready for the combine and what will he be able to do at the combine and his school day?

threetoedpete
01-01-2007, 02:17 AM
Right now the thing with Bush is he has justed started back training. He is somewhat out of shape and doing some light running and lifting. The question is will he be ready for the combine and what will he be able to do at the combine and his school day?

Where is the link where Bush's Red shirt Request has been truned down ? Or the link he has applied to the NFL advisory commitee for their recomendation of where he would go in the draft ? Or did I miss something ? At this point from my search two nights ago...nobody knows nothing.

beerlover
01-01-2007, 02:19 AM
I would absolutely love that pick. That or Smith in the 2nd, or Kolb in the 3rd.

or John Beck in the 4th :)

YoungTexanFan
01-01-2007, 02:26 AM
or John Beck in the 4th :)

Eh.

Newbsies
01-01-2007, 11:45 AM
Alan Branch would be a terrible pick. There is no way this franchise will select another DT with our first pick. If, for some reason we do, there will be many many lost fans next year. How many defensive lineman drafted in the first round are actually worth it.? Travis Johnson? Are you serious? If either Russell or Brohm are there, we need to take one of them.. If not, we need to look at the other Reggie or Laron.

Vinny
01-01-2007, 11:47 AM
Alan Branch would be a terrible pick. There is no way this franchise will select another DT with our first pick. Branch beside Williams would be awesome....I wouldn't mind the pick myself. We still don't stop the run as well as we could and Branch is in the Hainsworth, Henderson, Stroud mold. Personally I hope we keep building the defensive core like the Bears did on their way to becoming a dominant defensive team. The Bears aren't the same team without their big tackles tearing it up inside.

Newbsies
01-01-2007, 12:06 PM
From a purely football standpoint, Alan Branch could be a pretty good pick. The dude has talent. However, what I am saying, is that with the current state of our franchise, Branch would not be a very desirable pick.

stingray
01-01-2007, 12:09 PM
Branch beside Williams would be awesome....I wouldn't mind the pick myself. We still don't stop the run as well as we could and Branch is in the Hainsworth, Henderson, Stroud mold. Personally I hope we keep building the defensive core like the Bears did on their way to becoming a dominant defensive team. The Bears aren't the same team without their big tackles tearing it up inside.

I wouldn't mind having a dominating defense. But we're going to have to improve our offense. If we keep drafting defensive players in the first round, we are going to end up like the Raiders, A good defense but a horrible offense. Obviously, carr has to go. We need to address that need, either by free agency or the draft, but we are going to have to draft a top offensvie player in the first round, cause if we don't, then it will be four years in a row that we will draft a defensive player in the first and we keep ignoring the offense.

Vinny
01-01-2007, 12:12 PM
I wouldn't mind having a dominating defense. But we're going to have to improve our offense. If we keep drafting defensive players in the first round, we are going to end up like the Raiders, A good defense but a horrible offense. Obviously, carr has to go. We need to address that need, either by free agency or the draft, but we are going to have to draft a top offensvie player in the first round, cause if we don't, then it will be four years in a row that we will draft a defensive player in the first and we keep ignoring the offense.Offense is about creating and defense is about destroying, so it takes more time to build an offense since destroying is easier than creating...it's easier to incorporate young defenders to a team than it is to incorporate rookies on offense. I'd like to see us add some more veteran talent on offense and more young talent on defense personally.

YoungTexanFan
01-01-2007, 12:14 PM
I wouldn't mind having a dominating defense. But we're going to have to improve our offense. If we keep drafting defensive players in the first round, we are going to end up like the Raiders, A good defense but a horrible offense. Obviously, carr has to go. We need to address that need, either by free agency or the draft, but we are going to have to draft a top offensvie player in the first round, cause if we don't, then it will be four years in a row that we will draft a defensive player in the first and we keep ignoring the offense.

We have a potentially explosive young offense. AJ should be our centerpiece. With our ZBS we can effectivly use Taylor/Dayne/Gado/Lundy or another other competent RB in our scheme. Moulds/Mathis/Walters provide very good depth with Moulds as the fater figure. We have a good young FB who can block and catch. We have a young TE who can do both as well. The questions on offense arise about our future QB situation and our constantly porus offensive line.

Our defense is about an OLB, CB, and FS away from being a unit that can carry our team.

stingray
01-01-2007, 12:21 PM
Offense is about creating and defense is about destroying, so it takes more time to build an offense since destroying is easier than creating...it's easier to incorporate young defenders to a team than it is to incorporate rookies on offense. I'd like to see us add some more veteran talent on offense and more young talent on defense personally.

I'll agree with you on the incorporating part with a quarterback, but we could incorporate an A.D. or Marshawn Linch pretty well. They will just pound the ball. Rookie running backs usually do pretty well from the start.

All i am saying is that the Texans need talent on offense, Besides AJ, they have no talent. All they have is a bust of a #1 overall pick,(carr) an old #2 reciever and second string running backs. There never gonna move the ball consistently with those guys.

stingray
01-01-2007, 12:26 PM
We have a potentially explosive young offense. AJ should be our centerpiece. With our ZBS we can effectivly use Taylor/Dayne/Gado/Lundy or another other competent RB in our scheme. Moulds/Mathis/Walters provide very good depth with Moulds as the fater figure. We have a good young FB who can block and catch. We have a young TE who can do both as well. The questions on offense arise about our future QB situation and our constantly porus offensive line.

Our defense is about an OLB, CB, and FS away from being a unit that can carry our team.


Really, you think we have talent on offense, Moulds didn't get it done this year, part was carrs fault. And he isn't getting younger. In the Backfield, Dayne was the only one that I saw that was consistent, and that was at the end of the year. Taylor played against the Browns, Everyone runs against the Browns. And Gado did not look good at all this year. Lundy looked very avearge, never saw anything special out of that guy.

dirty steve
01-01-2007, 12:31 PM
uh.... am i the only one who wants Alan Branch? we have a terrible pass rush even though we blitz a lot, and Mario Williams always get double-blocked. Alan Branch will help stopping the run, too.
i have felt that way for the last couple of weeks. dude would assume two blockers and would (i think) clear more room for mario to operate. i'd hate to make that decision if hall and branch are there at #8 though.

YoungTexanFan
01-01-2007, 12:33 PM
Really, you think we have talent on offense, Moulds didn't get it done this year, part was carrs fault. And he isn't getting younger. In the Backfield, Dayne was the only one that I saw that was consistent, and that was at the end of the year. Taylor played against the Browns, Everyone runs against the Browns. And Gado did not look good at all this year. Lundy looked very avearge, never saw anything special out of that guy.

Moulds did get it done. At the least did you not see AJ's production jump this year? It comes from having a legit #2 WR. Carr isn't a complete bust yet, I think he will bennifit from a change in scenery. Moulds cost us a 5th rounder. He more than got it done and is still a mentor to AJ and a legit #2 WR who doesn't drop and can still move around with excellent size. Everyone was complaining about Dayne earlier in the year, but now he is a godsend. He is good enough to split carries with Taylor next year. Taylor looked like DD in his first game against the Dolphins. When DD trucked Zack Taylor and kept going, I knew he was going to be good. I saw a lot of that same back out of Taylor and Taylor has better speed. Gado is garbage and I believe Lundy is as well. Neither have any vision. Gado has a decent skill set but lacks vision and patience. Lundy just needs time to develop IMO. I think with Sage at QB next year, and a WR combo of AJ/Moulds/Mathis and a RB combo of Taylor/Dayne and a TE combo of Daniels/Putzier and a health OT combo of Spencer/Winston/draft pick...we have a potentially explosive offense. I believe the only things holding this offense in check is our piss poor offensive line and David Carr's mental aspects behind that line.

Ryan
01-01-2007, 12:35 PM
1st rd.-Laron Landry
2nd rd.-Troy Smith

houstonhurricane
01-01-2007, 12:37 PM
I don't think Smith will make it until our pick in round 2...

Vinny
01-01-2007, 12:40 PM
I'll agree with you on the incorporating part with a quarterback, but we could incorporate an A.D. or Marshawn Linch pretty well. They will just pound the ball. Rookie running backs usually do pretty well from the start.

All i am saying is that the Texans need talent on offense, Besides AJ, they have no talent. All they have is a bust of a #1 overall pick,(carr) an old #2 reciever and second string running backs. There never gonna move the ball consistently with those guys.
If the right offensive piece falls to us I'm in...but unless someone really grades out to be a difference maker I'd like us to have a dominant unit on at least one side of the ball and hope we seek vets for the O and keep infusing young talent on the D. The defense has a young core that is about 3 players away from being pretty fearsome. As long as our top pick plays up to his salary slot I’ll be happy regardless so I wouldn’t argue an offensive player too much at 1.

stingray
01-01-2007, 12:46 PM
Moulds did get it done. At the least did you not see AJ's production jump this year? It comes from having a legit #2 WR. Carr isn't a complete bust yet, I think he will bennifit from a change in scenery. Moulds cost us a 5th rounder. He more than got it done and is still a mentor to AJ and a legit #2 WR who doesn't drop and can still move around with excellent size. Everyone was complaining about Dayne earlier in the year, but now he is a godsend. He is good enough to split carries with Taylor next year. Taylor looked like DD in his first game against the Dolphins. When DD trucked Zack Taylor and kept going, I knew he was going to be good. I saw a lot of that same back out of Taylor and Taylor has better speed. Gado is garbage and I believe Lundy is as well. Neither have any vision. Gado has a decent skill set but lacks vision and patience. Lundy just needs time to develop IMO. I think with Sage at QB next year, and a WR combo of AJ/Moulds/Mathis and a RB combo of Taylor/Dayne and a TE combo of Daniels/Putzier and a health OT combo of Spencer/Winston/draft pick...we have a potentially explosive offense. I believe the only things holding this offense in check is our piss poor offensive line and David Carr's mental aspects behind that line.

Really, 557 yards and one touchdown is good enough for you, You are easily satisfied. I expected, more like 800 yards and 5 touchdowns. Mike furrey for the Freaking lions had 1000 yards and six touchdowns and he is a #2 with Kitna as a quarterback Have you ever wondered why the Bills got rid of moulds for a fifth rounder? Think about it, a fifth rounder.

And as for Carr, he is a busts and will never do anything with this team, it's time to move on. He is Joey Harrington Part 2.

YoungTexanFan
01-01-2007, 12:57 PM
Really, 557 yards and one touchdown is good enough for you, You are easily satisfied. I expected, more like 800 yards and 5 touchdowns. Mike furrey for the Freaking lions had 1000 yards and six touchdowns and he is a #2 with Kitna as a quarterback Have you ever wondered why the Bills got rid of moulds for a fifth rounder? Think about it, a fifth rounder.

And as for Carr, he is a busts and will never do anything with this team, it's time to move on. He is Joey Harrington Part 2.

Our TEAM had like 1 passing TD in the last 9 weeks. With our poor offensive line and shell shocked QB who is done in Houston at the helm, I'm not surprised about that production but I'll take it and AJ's increased production. I believe the Bills were either going to cut him or trade him off for cheap because of cap implications. Edge didn't even get a 1st rounder so I don't know what all you were expecting to give for a #2 WR as opposed to a legit star RB...and even then see where a crappy Oline gets you.

stingray
01-01-2007, 01:54 PM
Our TEAM had like 1 passing TD in the last 9 weeks. With our poor offensive line and shell shocked QB who is done in Houston at the helm, I'm not surprised about that production but I'll take it and AJ's increased production. I believe the Bills were either going to cut him or trade him off for cheap because of cap implications. Edge didn't even get a 1st rounder so I don't know what all you were expecting to give for a #2 WR as opposed to a legit star RB...and even then see where a crappy Oline gets you.

Edge was a Free agency signing, no trades involved.

Bubbajwp
01-01-2007, 02:18 PM
Edge was a Free agency signing, no trades involved.

It was the year before that the colts tried trading him and couldnt get a first rounder for him.

Ryan
01-01-2007, 02:24 PM
I don't think Smith will make it until our pick in round 2...

we could trade up in the 2nd round if needed

stingray
01-01-2007, 02:42 PM
It was the year before that the colts tried trading him and couldnt get a first rounder for him.

They couldn't get a first rounder for him cause he was going to ask for to much money when his contract was up. They could have gotten a first rounder if he didn't require as much money. Look at the Patriots, they got a first rounder for Dieon Branch.

mexican_texan
01-01-2007, 02:49 PM
They couldn't get a first rounder for him cause he was going to ask for to much money when his contract was up. They could have gotten a first rounder if he didn't require as much money. Look at the Patriots, they got a first rounder for Dieon Branch.
Real dumb move by Seattle. Huge contracts for Branch and Nate Burleson.

TheOgre
01-01-2007, 02:57 PM
Will 4 QB's be taken in the 1st? I just don't see Quinn, Russell, T. Smith, and Brohm all going in the first. We might have to trade up a few picks, but I think there is a 50/50 chance that one of the three not named "Brady" will slide into the 2nd round.

Texas_Thrill
01-01-2007, 02:59 PM
uh.... am i the only one who wants Alan Branch? we have a terrible pass rush even though we blitz a lot, and Mario Williams always get double-blocked. Alan Branch will help stopping the run, too.

peep the signature.

Bubbajwp
01-01-2007, 02:59 PM
They couldn't get a first rounder for him cause he was going to ask for to much money when his contract was up. They could have gotten a first rounder if he didn't require as much money. Look at the Patriots, they got a first rounder for Dieon Branch.

Ya the seahawks couldnt get a first rouner for Shaun Alexander two years ago either.

Titan "Tack" Fan
01-01-2007, 03:03 PM
Is that Jamarcus Russell? Are you guys serious? No way I want that guy. He won't even be a first round pick.

If we can't get AP which we won't b/c Cleveland will take him, then we need a safety or corner.

You have no clue what you're talking about.

Nawzer
01-01-2007, 03:06 PM
If JaMarcus Russell declares (has he?) for the draft and he drops to the no.8 spot we must draft him. He's not as polished but he has a higher potential imo than Brady Quinn. But I don't see him dropping that far down and I think in the end I'll be happy with a stud corner or safety.

stingray
01-01-2007, 03:20 PM
If JaMarcus Russell declares (has he?) for the draft and he drops to the no.8 spot we must draft him. He's not as polished but he has a higher potential imo than Brady Quinn. But I don't see him dropping that far down and I think in the end I'll be happy with a stud corner or safety.

Why wouldn't he drop to us? Look who is ahead of us..

1. Oakland (2-14)-Will pick Calvin Johnson
2. Detroit (3-13)- Will pick Quinn.
3. Cleveland (4-12) - Do not need A QB. Need an OL or RB
4. Tampa Bay (4-12)- Need OL or Def Player. Just signed Simms to Extension
5. Arizona (5-11)- Already Have QB.
6. Washington (5-11)- Have Jason Campbel.
7. Minnesota (6-10)- Maybe will draft JM but they need recievers.
8. Houston (6-10) Need A QB!!!!!!!!!!!

Marcus
01-01-2007, 03:55 PM
Why wouldn't he drop to us? Look who is ahead of us..

1. Oakland (2-14)-Will pick Calvin Johnson
2. Detroit (3-13)- Will pick Quinn.
3. Cleveland (4-12) - Do not need A QB. Need an OL or RB
4. Tampa Bay (4-12)- Need OL or Def Player. Just signed Simms to Extension
5. Arizona (5-11)- Already Have QB.
6. Washington (5-11)- Have Jason Campbel.
7. Minnesota (6-10)- Maybe will draft JM but they need recievers.
8. Houston (6-10) Need A QB!!!!!!!!!!!

Yeah, they need a QB, but they don't need to draft one in the first round. They need to do what they originally should have done from the beginning. Concentrate on the lines, and use a veteran QB, with either Sage, or a free agent.

I agree with what Vinny said awhile back. If they draft a QB in the first round, after not taking one in what was the best QB class since 1983, I think my head would explode.

The Pencil Neck
01-01-2007, 04:00 PM
I agree with what Vinny said awhile back. If they draft a QB in the first round, after not taking one in what was the best QB class since 1983, I think my head would explode.

On draft day, could you set up a camera and tape your reactions to the Texans' picks?

I mean...

Just in case...

Cause if your head explodes... that would be a really cool video and your family would probably be able to make some money to pay for the funeral and everything.

tulexan
01-01-2007, 04:08 PM
Why wouldn't he drop to us? Look who is ahead of us..

1. Oakland (2-14)-Will pick Calvin Johnson
2. Detroit (3-13)- Will pick Quinn.
3. Cleveland (4-12) - Do not need A QB. Need an OL or RB
4. Tampa Bay (4-12)- Need OL or Def Player. Just signed Simms to Extension
5. Arizona (5-11)- Already Have QB.
6. Washington (5-11)- Have Jason Campbel.
7. Minnesota (6-10)- Maybe will draft JM but they need recievers.
8. Houston (6-10) Need A QB!!!!!!!!!!!

I wouldn't say that Cleveland wouldn't pick a QB. Charlie Frye has been OK, but Russell or Quinn would be a major upgrade. Plus they have had some injuries to their OL and Reuben Droughns was injured for part of this year. He did have 2 consecutive 1200yd seasons prior to this year.

stingray
01-01-2007, 04:13 PM
Yeah, they need a QB, but they don't need to draft one in the first round. They need to do what they originally should have done from the beginning. Concentrate on the lines, and use a veteran QB, with either Sage, or a free agent.

I agree with what Vinny said awhile back. If they draft a QB in the first round, after not taking one in what was the best QB class since 1983, I think my head would explode.

Last years draft is the Past. You can't go with the Logic that if they didn't draft a qb last year, then they won't draft one this Year. If you go by that Logic then they shouldn't draft AD cause they didn't draft Bush last year. They thought that Carr would Improve with Kubiak. Well, he hasn't and probably won't.

And I'm Not saying that the Texans should draft a QB with their first Pick, but they shouldn't disregard it either cause of what they did last year.

stingray
01-01-2007, 04:14 PM
I wouldn't say that Cleveland wouldn't pick a QB. Charlie Frye has been OK, but Russell or Quinn would be a major upgrade. Plus they have had some injuries to their OL and Reuben Droughns was injured for part of this year. He did have 2 consecutive 1200yd seasons prior to this year.

You have a point, but Frye is really young, I think they wanna give him a chance.

Marcus
01-01-2007, 04:15 PM
On draft day, could you set up a camera and tape your reactions to the Texans' picks?

I mean...

Just in case...

Cause if your head explodes... that would be a really cool video and your family would probably be able to make some money to pay for the funeral and everything.

hehe . . . let's just say I'm extremely EXREMELY confident that Kubiak/Smith would NOT be so stupid as to take a QB in the first, even if they DO dump Carr.

tulexan
01-01-2007, 04:20 PM
If you go by that Logic then they shouldn't draft AD cause they didn't draft Bush last year.

Many people believe that Adrian Peterson is a better pro prospect than Reggie Bush, so your point does not apply.

stingray
01-01-2007, 04:23 PM
Many people believe that Adrian Peterson is a better pro prospect than Reggie Bush, so your point does not apply.

Who says ,You!! Bush would have been drafted ahead of AD this year and you know that. As a matter of fact he would have been the first player taken this year. Adrian is a hella of player but Bush has more Upside.

mexican_texan
01-01-2007, 04:24 PM
Bush is the better prospect, but AP is by far a better runner.

stingray
01-01-2007, 04:25 PM
hehe . . . let's just say I'm extremely EXREMELY confident that Kubiak/Smith would NOT be so stupid as to take a QB in the first, even if they DO dump Carr.

Yeah, just like Matt millen wasn't stupid enough to take Matt leinart. He looks like a bafoon, now.

tulexan
01-01-2007, 04:31 PM
Who says ,You!! Bush would have been drafted ahead of AD this year and you know that. As a matter of fact he would have been the first player taken this year. Adrian is a hella of player but Bush has more Upside.

They are two totally different style players. Adrian is your pure running back that is in the mold of Larry Johnson and Shaun Alexander while Reggie is in the mold of Warrick Dunn and Brian Westbrook. Bush may have been drafted higher due to the hype behind him, but that does not make him a better player or prospect.

stingray
01-01-2007, 04:40 PM
They are two totally different style players. Adrian is your pure running back that is in the mold of Larry Johnson and Shaun Alexander while Reggie is in the mold of Warrick Dunn and Brian Westbrook. Bush may have been drafted higher due to the hype behind him, but that does not make him a better player or prospect.

You said prospect , not player. And Bush would be the Better prospect cause of his speed and recieving skills. And you say that Bush would be drafted higher cause of the Hype... I don't think that Scouts and GM's draft players cause of Hype. You know how much film these guys watch? They draft players cause they think they will be good NFL players. If they went by Hype, then Troy smith would be drafted first this year.

YoungTexanFan
01-01-2007, 04:42 PM
Many people believe that Adrian Peterson is a better pro prospect than Reggie Bush, so your point does not apply.

And many people say that next years RB class, even without AP and Lynch is potentially one of the best in history.

Marcus
01-01-2007, 04:45 PM
They are two totally different style players. Adrian is your pure running back that is in the mold of Larry Johnson and Shaun Alexander while Reggie is in the mold of Warrick Dunn and Brian Westbrook. Bush may have been drafted higher due to the hype behind him, but that does not make him a better player or prospect.

You saw what Wali Lundy can do if . . IF the OL can block
You saw what Ron Dayne can do if . . IF the OL can block.
You saw what Chris Taylor can do if . IF the OL can block.

We don't need no stinkin running backs. What we need is more attention paid to the OL. I know that isn't sexy enough for you, but . . .

Texian
01-01-2007, 04:46 PM
I wouldn't say that Cleveland wouldn't pick a QB. Charlie Frye has been OK, but Russell or Quinn would be a major upgrade. Plus they have had some injuries to their OL and Reuben Droughns was injured for part of this year. He did have 2 consecutive 1200yd seasons prior to this year.

Since Cleveland has the 3rd or 4th worst run defense, and they play the 3-4, and Ted Washington will start his 17th year, I imagine they may have their eye on Branch.

tulexan
01-01-2007, 05:05 PM
You saw what Wali Lundy can do if . . IF the OL can block
You saw what Ron Dayne can do if . . IF the OL can block.
You saw what Chris Taylor can do if . IF the OL can block.

We don't need no stinkin running backs. What we need is more attention paid to the OL. I know that isn't sexy enough for you, but . . .

We saw Chris Taylor get 28 total carries against two of the worst run defenses in the league. I don't know why so many people are acting like he ran for 1800 yards this season. He averaged 4.4 yards per carry and had one touchdown. He played well in his limited touches but lets be realistic about him. If he makes the team next year then it will be for depth and depth alone.

Ron Dayne played well and will most likely be back next year getting a good amount of carries.

Lundy was too inconsistent and I wouldn't be surprised if he was cut in the off season. He had some great games, and some pathetic games. Considering he had nine carries in the last four weeks of the season when we were running a run heavy offense, I don't like his chances to come back.

I'm also not saying that we should completely abandon the OL in this draft. In fact I have never said that. All I have said is that we should take either Adrian Peterson or Marshawn Lynch with the first pick. In my opinion there is only OL worth taking in the top ten (Joe Thomas), but I don't believe we will be in a position to draft him at eight.

threetoedpete
01-01-2007, 05:15 PM
You saw what Wali Lundy can do if . . IF the OL can block
You saw what Ron Dayne can do if . . IF the OL can block.
You saw what Chris Taylor can do if . IF the OL can block.

We don't need no stinkin running backs. What we need is more attention paid to the OL. I know that isn't sexy enough for you, but . . .

Agreed. Branch is up... my theory has always been to build from the inside out. The bull pen has an excellent thread concerning the accuracy of Spencer's recover reports. On that thread are a couple of projections, and conjectures on starting probablities for the o-line in '07. What you shuold draw from thier guesses is that the o-line is far from a done deal. And only a crazy man would go into '07 with this group. Kubiak and Smith are not crazy. They will pick up some o-line guys this off season.

Mr. White
01-01-2007, 06:50 PM
I'm also not saying that we should completely abandon the OL in this draft. In fact I have never said that. All I have said is that we should take either Adrian Peterson or Marshawn Lynch with the first pick. In my opinion there is only OL worth taking in the top ten (Joe Thomas), but I don't believe we will be in a position to draft him at eight.

I totally agree with this draft philosophy. Joe Thomas is a monster, but I don't think that he'll get past Tampa Bay at 4.

Adrian Peterson would be my 2nd choice, but I don't think that he'll be around at #8 either. I also question his durability.

Marshawn Lynch probably will be available at 8 and would be a perfect fit for our offense. I think that he would be like Ricky Watters was at SF when Kubes was QB coach. He would be the classic WCO back to catch short passes from the backfield and compliment Dayne's power running style.

Cook Thom
01-01-2007, 07:46 PM
At number 8 the Texans need to take the best left offensive tackle or power running back still on the board.

stingray
01-01-2007, 07:50 PM
At number 8 the Texans need to take the best left offensive tackle or power running back still on the board.


what if the best offensive tackle available is considered a secound round pick You still want him with the eight pick?

Sco-tai
01-01-2007, 08:26 PM
Trade down

Get either Landry, (EDIT) my bad, Nelson, or Merriweather

Reggie Nelson S 6'1 193 Florida

I have a problem with Merriweather. The way he acted in the fight, hitting people with his helmet. No way.

Marcus
01-01-2007, 08:31 PM
With the 8th pick, you do the right thing and take the best player available. (As long as it is NOT a quarterback)

tulexan
01-01-2007, 08:39 PM
With the 8th pick, you do the right thing and take the best player available. (As long as it is NOT a quarterback)

Completely agree. There are very few (if any) positions that we can say we are fully set at. Picking eighth I find it hard to believe that we won't be able to get a player who won't be an immediate improvement at any position.

We may not agree on who to pick but that happens every year in every round. Bottom line is that the guy we get, whether it is Peterson, Landry, Branch, Lynch, Nelson, or whoever will be hard to argue against once cooler heads prevail.

SLO Texan
01-02-2007, 01:22 AM
This is what I want ....

Round 1 : Laron Landry(FS) - LSU

Round 2 : Rufus Alexander(OLB) - OU *just so everyone knows I liked him BEFORE tonights game

Round 3 : Brian Leonard(FB/RB) - Rutgers

I'm no draft expert so I'm not sure if this is a feasible scenario but it's who I'd like us to pick.

Go Texans!!!

beerlover
01-02-2007, 01:34 AM
This is what I want ....

Round 1 : Laron Landry(FS) - LSU

Round 2 : Rufus Alexander(OLB) - OU

Round 3 : Brian Leonard(FB/RB) - Rutgers

I'm no draft expert so I'm not sure if this is a feasible scenario but it's who I'd like us to pick.

Go Texans!!!

I was really impressed with Rufus Alexander tonight, physical player, shows great leadership & plays with instincts/savey. we'll get a chance to see the other top OLB in the BCS title game (Florida, Earl Everett). maybe the Texans will have a choice (2nd rd.) as they hopefully have with 1st (#8) between Landry & Nelson. not sure in this case however how Reggie will be able to handle the game & prepare after losing his mom to breast cancer? our prayers & thoughts go out to him and his family.

Texian
01-02-2007, 01:47 AM
Charles Johnson DT Georgia has declared and Jamaal Anderson DT Arkansas looks like he might. Until we know more I think Anderson deserves a look at the #8 pick. What say you?

carter08
01-02-2007, 01:47 AM
Sam Baker

YoungTexanFan
01-02-2007, 02:07 AM
Charles Johnson DT Georgia has declared and Jamaal Anderson DT Arkansas looks like he might. Until we know more I think Anderson deserves a look at the #8 pick. What say you?

What? Why?

Johnson is a DE that should go ahead of his teammate Moses.

tulexan
01-02-2007, 02:17 AM
Charles Johnson DT Georgia has declared and Jamaal Anderson DT Arkansas looks like he might. Until we know more I think Anderson deserves a look at the #8 pick. What say you?

I guess three first round picks and our biggest free agent signing last year weren't enough for our defensive line?

Ole Miss Texan
01-02-2007, 02:59 AM
1. LaRon Landry (FS LSU) or Reggie Nelson (FS FLorida)
2. Amobie Okoye(DT Louisville) or Rufus Alexander (OLB OKlahoma) or Jared Gaither (OT Maryland)
3. Brandon Mebane (DT Cal) or Aaron Ross (CB Texas) or Ryan Kalil (C USC)

texman8
01-02-2007, 03:24 AM
1. LaRon Landry (FS LSU) or Reggie Nelson (FS FLorida)
2. Amobie Okoye(DT Louisville) or Rufus Alexander (OLB OKlahoma) or Jared Gaither (OT Maryland)
3. Brandon Mebane (DT Cal) or Aaron Ross (CB Texas) or Ryan Kalil (C USC)

Love your picks.

1. Landry/Nelson
2.Alexander
3. Kalil
4.Josh Wilson
5.Jeff Rowe

Texian
01-02-2007, 04:45 AM
I guess three first round picks and our biggest free agent signing last year weren't enough for our defensive line?


I am just going off what the man said,


That’s about all Houston knows about the draft as Kubiak would not say whether he was leaning toward offense or defense in the first round.

“That would be really hard to answer right now,” Kubiak said. “I think that’s all going to depend on where we are at with our football team. That’s all going to depend on what we need and what players are available.”

Kubiak said that finding defensive line help this offseason is a must, citing a need to produce a pass rush without blitzing.

But he also said that his offense could use some more playmakers whether at running back or receiver. Therefore, he wasn’t prepared to share any philosophy that he and General Manager Rick Smith will have when it comes to drafting for need or selecting the best player available.

and

(on fulfilling the need for pass rushers) “There’s no doubt, we’ve got to find a way to put some pressure on some people. We played a group yesterday that was missing a couple of guards and (defensive coordinator) Richard (Smith) dialed up plenty of zone gods trying to create pressure and that is one glaring thing that I’ve been looking at this morning, comparing progress, where there was progress and some things we didn’t do well. One of the first things that I looked at was the fact that we didn’t pressure the quarterback really well. we’ve got to figure out a way to do that and if we’ve got to be able to do that with four guys in this league if you’re having to dial-up zone dogs and blitz in this league week–in and week-out, specially in our division in my opinion, you’re going to get burned. So we’ve got to find a way to pressure the quarterback with four guys and that will be a big point of emphasis.”

TheOgre
01-02-2007, 09:49 AM
I guess three first round picks and our biggest free agent signing last year weren't enough for our defensive line?

Jason Babin was drafted as a 3-4 OLB, and really doesn't have much of an impact in the 4-3. Travis Johnson has been to date a monumental bust. Weaver can play DE/DT and Mario looked like a keeper at DE. We still need more.

syberlan
01-02-2007, 09:55 AM
Is there any position which cannot be upgraded ? At the eighth spot the Texans can let whomever slides their way be the choice. There is no rocket science here. Somebody, who no doubt will upgrade one side of the ball or the other will be available at 8. Same can be said for the 2nd and 3rd rounds as well. I am more interested in free agency. 3 or 4 top veterans to go with a well placed draft and this team is a 500 team next year.

nunusguy
01-02-2007, 10:01 AM
Travis Johnson has been to date a monumental bust.

Here's just a few players in the 2005 Draft that we passed on to eventually
take TJ: Derrick Johnston, Texas LB drafted by the Chiefs; Mark Clayton, Oklahoma WR drafted by the Ravens, and most of all Alex Barron, also a Sooner and an OT who was taken by the Saints and will be in the Pro Bowl this year in only in his second year of course.
That pick was really a dog !

kingh99
01-02-2007, 10:10 AM
#8. LaRon Landry, FS
#39. Ryan Harris, OT or Tony Ugoh, OT
#73. Fred Bennett, CB

A big ole DT or DE. That guy from Michigan will do. Looks like another Seymour Tank. Imagine Mario and one other big mother. If they keep Carr it means they are going to try and win with defense.

tulexan
01-02-2007, 10:58 AM
Here's just a few players in the 2005 Draft that we passed on to eventually
take TJ: Derrick Johnston, Texas LB drafted by the Chiefs; Mark Clayton, Oklahoma WR drafted by the Ravens, and most of all Alex Barron, also a Sooner and an OT who was taken by the Saints and will be in the Pro Bowl this year in only in his second year of course.
That pick was really a dog !

We didn't pass on Mark Clayton or Alex Barron. We passed on Jamal Brown and Thomas Davis

threetoedpete
01-02-2007, 01:08 PM
If the right offensive piece falls to us I'm in...but unless someone really grades out to be a difference maker I'd like us to have a dominant unit on at least one side of the ball and hope we seek vets for the O and keep infusing young talent on the D. The defense has a young core that is about 3 players away from being pretty fearsome. As long as our top pick plays up to his salary slot I’ll be happy regardless so I wouldn’t argue an offensive player too much at 1.

If the dominate o-tackles are out of reach or going back to school; and the boards strength is defense...Why do you reach on the offensive players ? If the board gives you a chance to build a superb deffense, don't you have to do that ? I don't like it either, but you can't force a draft. You've gotta flow with it. What I see is a lot of fine deffensive prospects on the board. We're loaded at the skill positions...except QB, pig out on the deffensive guys the first two out of three picks. Draft for need on day two. There'll be plenty of o guys still left on the board. all shapes and sizes, all day...I promise.

threetoedpete
01-02-2007, 01:14 PM
Is there any position which cannot be upgraded ? At the eighth spot the Texans can let whomever slides their way be the choice. There is no rocket science here. Somebody, who no doubt will upgrade one side of the ball or the other will be available at 8. Same can be said for the 2nd and 3rd rounds as well. I am more interested in free agency. 3 or 4 top veterans to go with a well placed draft and this team is a 500 team next year.

I agree. Or...if they can find a suitor, trade down. You look at what Belichick is going to get a choce of at the bottom of the first, and you know there is a method in his maddness. Be nice to feather our nest and end up with an extra pick or two. Lot of 8-8 clubs behind us looking to make a play off run in '07. Can we agree that we're more than 1 piece away ourselves ?

Texian
01-02-2007, 01:35 PM
I agree. Or...if they can find a suitor, trade down. You look at what Belichick is going to get a choce of at the bottom of the first, and you know there is a method in his maddness. Be nice to feather our nest and end up with an extra pick or two. Lot of 8-8 clubs behind us looking to make a play off run in '07. Can we agree that we're more than 1 piece away ourselves ?

Speaking of Belichick, if he wants to trade current picks #22 and #28 for #8, I am all for it. This is only a 40 pt difference on the value chart.

YoungTexanFan
01-02-2007, 01:37 PM
Speaking of Belichick, if he wants to trade current picks #22 and #28 for #8, I am all for it. This is only a 40 pt difference on the value chart.

Assuming JT and CJ are off the boards, I make that move as well. Less cap hit and more bang for our buck.

threetoedpete
01-02-2007, 01:51 PM
I guess three first round picks and our biggest free agent signing last year weren't enough for our defensive line?

When two of three do not fit...yes. Babins was a tweener who was projected to make the transition to LB. TJ is ...well Travis Johnson. After you've watched what is out there, can't you name four day one guys who automatically eclipse what TJ and Babins brings to the table ? Isn't that what they are supposed to do in the draft..upgrade the tallent level of the team ? And if the tallent on the board is on that side of the ball, don't you have to look at it ? You need to throw Peek in there also. He cannot play with his knuckles off the ground. He has a LBs stature , locked into DE by a nosetackles brain. He is one of the most atheltic d players we have. Just couldn't make a LB transition. And never will. So that's is three guys on the d-line who are marginal. Yes they do have to look at improving the d-line. The stats told me so.

Texian
01-02-2007, 01:56 PM
Jason Babin was drafted as a 3-4 OLB, and really doesn't have much of an impact in the 4-3. Travis Johnson has been to date a monumental bust. Weaver can play DE/DT and Mario looked like a keeper at DE. We still need more.

You give Babin a pass because he was a DE drafted to play OLB but Johnson is a monumental bust because he was a DT drafted to play DE. Let's be fair and give them a full year at their natural position before labeling them a monumental bust.

threetoedpete
01-02-2007, 02:22 PM
I thought TJ's strength coming out of college was his quickness to dominate the intrerior of the offensive line ? I have seen no quickness or domination from TJ. I have been more than fair with him. He is on his last chance with this off season. The first round pick and the ramifacations of failure with him has kept him on the squad. I don't think those things are going to matter any more with this staff. He got very ordinary once he cashed his first NFL check.

Babins has no pass from me. We'll see in the next few weeks who gets asked to restucture. And who does not. They won't keep both Peek and Babins.

was385
01-02-2007, 06:53 PM
I have already seen a couple projections come out, obviously we wont have a full idea until the Juniors decide, and the guy I wanted them to draft 1st (Jake Long out of Michigan- plays in a zone already) has already said he will return. The other players I have seen are Sam Baker out of USC, Marshawn Lynch out of CAL, Darrelle Revis out of Pitt, and Adrian Peterson out of Oklahoma. I think a sleeper good pick could be Alan Branch the DT out of Michigan who would really solidify our front. He is a 330 lb DT with great speed, strength, and ability who can absolutely clog up the middle and that is something we don't have. I'm not sure how open you guys are to not taking a DB or OL with our first pick but he looks pretty good to help Mario and Demecco along with the rest of the front 7 out

Sco-tai
01-02-2007, 07:02 PM
I was VERY impressed with BRANCH.

BUT considering we've 3 1st round picks on the D-Line in the past 3 years...I would be SHOCKED if we went D-Line again in the early 1st (which is when Branch will go). The only team I can think of that spends 1st picks on the same area of need 3+ years in a row is DETROIT...and I'm giving SMITH more credit than MILLEN.

I'm shooting for DB or OL if we feel like D-dub is gonna be healthy enough to start at RB next year.

hot pickle
01-02-2007, 07:07 PM
Reggie Nelson, J-marc, landry, lynch, peterson


but i want daymeion hughes in the 2nd if hes there
or Aaron Ross

Hulk75
01-02-2007, 07:14 PM
Laron Landry?

Come on Kubiak & Smith make it happen!:highfive:

He almost looks like PBuc when the ball is in the air.