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MrLizardTX
10-09-2004, 03:10 PM
Texas needs a quarterback. Vince Young is an athlete playing quarterback. NFL scouts project him as a receiver at the next level. He can't throw. He has no pocket presence. He's fast but doesn't run hard enough to be a running QB. Texas is thin at receiver anyway. They need to move Young outside and put Mock under center.

WWJD
10-09-2004, 03:45 PM
He has exactly the same body type as Roy Williams. Tall, all legs and lanky.

Too bad Roy isn't there anymore. Texas doesn't even try throwing to the receivers. Their game plan sucks.

STEEL BLUE TEXANS
10-09-2004, 05:44 PM
Vince Young = Kordell Stewart

WWJD
10-09-2004, 05:51 PM
Well he's a young guy and I think with some good coaching he could be very good. He has a goofy throwing motion though and it looks like he hasn't progressed at all from last year. Bad coaching I think.

nunusguy
10-09-2004, 07:11 PM
NFL scouts project him as a receiver at the next level.
Actually, I see him as a Wing Back or maybe blocking back in the Single Wing.

TexansCanes
10-10-2004, 01:50 AM
i said the same thing before the season and was ripped, particularly by tenxansfan88, where are you now. i give him another year and when spurrier gets their :thumbup i think his passing game will improve and maybe turn into a real qb.

BuffSoldier
10-10-2004, 05:31 PM
I think all he needs is a little time to grow, and some receivers. He has great arm strength but needs to work on accuracy, thats all. Wait till his senoir year he could be a stud and a top pick.

keyfro
10-10-2004, 05:37 PM
nah...with all respect to the texas longhorn organization young is not a QB...he could be one of the best option QB's in ncaa history but mack brown doesn't run the option...give this kid to frank solich and this team is a in the nation title game...texas needs to realize this move him to reciever now...and put chance mock in at QB...he has the arm to make UT a two threat offensive team

Huge
10-10-2004, 05:41 PM
There are true freshmen and true sophomores all across the country that are exhibiting a ton more accuracy than Young right now. And they're not throwing to future first round WRs either.

If you bounce the ball 4 feet in front of your target, it doesn't matter who the target is...he's not going to catch it.

Sad thing is, Greg Davis has apparently been working on his mechanics. But if you pull up video clips from Young when he was in high school, his mechanics were actually better then.

Only way he's able to correct this is if Texas hires away Norm Chow from USC and makes him their head coach. Under Mack Brown and Greg Davis however, Young will fall in a long line of underdeveloped talent.

LiveForTheGame
10-11-2004, 12:06 AM
I've said it for two years now. You can't take a QB who has had great success running the football and turn him into a great or very good passing QB. If you do, you lose their ability to run as well as they used to. Young will not be a top QB and will not develop under Mack Brown. He might be able to develop in the NFL but I don't think so. Don't get me wrong- Vince Young is one of the greatest athletes I've seen on the college level and has fantastic abilities, but he isn't a QB. His mind set and instincts aren't that of a passing QB.

TheOgre
10-11-2004, 08:26 AM
I think Vince Young's progression as a quarterback is just a symptom of the problem. We have had 3 stellar QB recruits in Chris Simms, Vince Young, and Chance Mock. What have we done with them? Not a hell of a lot. Lets get rid of Greg Davis (the offensive coordinator) and bring in someone who can actually teach and utilize our talent. All he does it call for flat passes the entire game.

Also, if you take away the three turnovers, we are right in this game.

WWJD
10-11-2004, 11:10 AM
I was reading a quote by one of the Horns players and he said that OU had a better game plan.

That to me is conceding that the UT coaches were outcoached. Again.

I've thought about this all weekend and I'd really like to see the Horns get somebody else as head coach. I'm just not sure Mack can take the team to the next level.

TheOgre
10-11-2004, 12:47 PM
My guess is that Mack will be given an ultimatum to fire Greg Davis or pack up his things too. Lets wait and see.

WWJD
10-11-2004, 01:44 PM
Yes, wait and see.

I sure hate to even talk about firing the guy. He's brought the team back to national prominence where I believe they belong.

But they just cannot seem to get over the hump. At some point you have to weigh your good with your bad and make tough decisions.

I'm wondering if the gossip I heard about Spurrier being interested is just gossip or maybe there is some truth behind it.

TheOgre
10-11-2004, 01:55 PM
I'm wondering if the gossip I heard about Spurrier being interested is just gossip or maybe there is some truth behind it.

I think that is just gossip. The thing is thought that he would join a top recruiting school with almost year round golf.

WWJD
10-11-2004, 02:26 PM
Gosh wouldn't Spurrier be almost the "anti" Texas type of coach? He's guns blazing on offense, and they've always been run first.

I never know what to believe. I'm guessing Mack's job is safe and they'll go into the CB game again next year an underdog. I really am disappointed in their play in the OU games.

Reddevil63
10-11-2004, 04:28 PM
Reggie McNeal > Vince Young said it all along and UT fans ripped me apart for it. Lets just say theyve started to quite down. He beat OU as a true freshman and Young hasnt been able to do it as a Fr. or So..

ArlingtonTexan
10-11-2004, 04:46 PM
Reggie McNeal > Vince Young said it all along and UT fans ripped me apart for it. Lets just say theyve started to quite down. He beat OU as a true freshman and Young hasnt been able to do it as a Fr. or So..

Reggie McNeil is a QB who is a great athlete, not a great athlete who is trying to play QB. IMO, McNeil will play in the NFL. I will listen to the bad coaching some, but Young does not appear to have a great deal of skill and instinct as a passer.

I think I trust the QB at ARkansas, same tall body type with very good speed (help me with name someone), more throwing the ball more than vince Young.

wags
10-11-2004, 05:48 PM
I think I trust the QB at ARkansas, same tall body type with very good speed (help me with name someone), more throwing the ball more than vince Young.

Matt Jones

LiveForTheGame
10-11-2004, 10:43 PM
Bowden has lost to Miami for the last 5 games...should he be fired? Mack Brown has UT in the top 10-15 every year. He just hasn't been able to beat OU. I'm not sure you fire a coach for not being able to beat one team when he has the team having a great season year in and year out...but I htink there is a better coach out there for UT.

Reddevil63
10-12-2004, 12:47 AM
Bowden has lost to Miami for the last 5 games...should he be fired? Mack Brown has UT in the top 10-15 every year. He just hasn't been able to beat OU. I'm not sure you fire a coach for not being able to beat one team when he has the team having a great season year in and year out...but I htink there is a better coach out there for UT.
One who knows what an option is... Im not bashing Vince Young Im just saying thats the style of offense that needs to be run with him in there. I think we all agree his arm and decision making arent up to par so they need to exploit his greatest stregnth, his legs.

TexansCanes
10-12-2004, 02:55 PM
Bowden has lost to Miami for the last 5 games...should he be fired? Mack Brown has UT in the top 10-15 every year. He just hasn't been able to beat OU. I'm not sure you fire a coach for not being able to beat one team when he has the team having a great season year in and year out...but I htink there is a better coach out there for UT.

it depends, if you are happy with 10-1 or 10-2 then keep him becuase that is what he is going to give you, and maybe he will beat OU sometime, but if you aren't satisfied and think it is mack brown fault then you have to get rid of him.

the thing about bowden is that yeah he has lost to miami the last 6 times but he had success before then. mack brown hasn't been able to beat OU since he has been the head coach.

LonghornBabe
10-12-2004, 03:22 PM
actually that is not true...Mack Brown has beaten OU while at Texas (that being said....I am NOT a Greg Davis fan...and I definitely think some changes need to be made)

WWJD
10-12-2004, 03:55 PM
Well when the players say OU had a better game plan than UT did there has got to be some mumblings amongst the players.

I firmly believe OU is in their heads big time. Mack included.

They better do something or they'll start losing more recruits like Peterson.

GoBeta
10-12-2004, 04:00 PM
His firing is long overdue.

TexansCanes
10-13-2004, 02:15 AM
actually that is not true...Mack Brown has beaten OU while at Texas (that being said....I am NOT a Greg Davis fan...and I definitely think some changes need to be made)

my bad, i wasn't sure on how long he had been their

TheOgre
10-13-2004, 01:08 PM
Mack Brown is 2-5 against OU. He is 1-5 against Stoops. In 1999, the Horns were down 16-0 or 17-0 then ripped off 40-something unanswered points. We won convincingly. That was Brown's only win head-to-head against Stoops. He hasn't won again since.

LonghornBabe
10-14-2004, 03:29 PM
Ok..I couldn't help myself...I thought this was cute. I actually don't think Greg Davis lost the game last weekend....(i think that is the first time I have ever said that).....anyway...I just learned how to post pics and thought this was funny! :)

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