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Grid
12-29-2006, 12:01 PM
From MSN:

Here is a look at how the rookie class of 2006 performed. They are classified as “The Good,” “The Bad” and “The Ugly.” The first two are self-explanatory. In the case of “The Ugly,” it may not mean a coach is doing a horrible job, simply that what he produced isn’t pretty to look at. Some among “The Ugly” might someday find themselves among “The Good.” Of course, they could also find themselves on the unemployment line:

THE BAD:

GARY KUBIAK, HOUSTON TEXANS: It’s hard to blame Kubiak completely for the sorry state of these Lone Star losers. No matter how much they deny it, the Texans took Mario Williams, who will go down in NFL history as an ordinary defensive player — and that’s if everything goes well — because they didn’t want to meet the contract demands of Reggie Bush’s representatives. That’s just one example of their flawed decision-making.

But Kubiak has enough talent in the fold that the Texans should be better than they are. Several of the team’s losses have been one-sided and ghastly — a 40-7 pulverizing at New England, a 34-6 whipping at Dallas, to name just two. That’s an example of a team that doesn’t yet know how to compete, or doesn’t believe it can, and that’s a direct reflection on coaching.

The Texans are currently 24th in total defense and 28th in total offense. And quarterback David Carr, while having a decent year, is not much better than he was before Kubiak got there. Carr has thrown as many TDs as INTs (11) and has been sacked 40 times.

Kubiak may not stay around long enough to finish this job, because this job may not be finished for a long, long time.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16384613/


Cant say I agree with all that. The guy who wrote this doesnt strike me as real football saavy either.

tulexan
12-29-2006, 12:04 PM
Wow, Mario will be an ordinary defensive player if everything goes well? Did I miss Reggie Bush getting 2000 yards rushing and 30 TDs this year? Because his numbers seem just as ordinary.

Runner
12-29-2006, 12:10 PM
I think the article pretty much describes what this season looked like (on the field, not the Mario/Bush regurgitation). It is more accurate than just believing that since Kubiak is here we'll have a dominant running game and Bronco-like success in another year or two. Kubiak needs to prove he has the goods, just like any player does.

Sure the Texans have won five games, but it would have been better if some of the losses had occurred after playing well against a better team. In too many of the losses (and the Raiders win) the Texans looked like they shouldn't be on a pro football field.

If the Texans had performed more like the team that showed up against Indy last week throughout the year I'd feel better about them. As it is, last week was an anomaly, not a true picture of the Texans. Yet.

OrangeCountyTexansFan
12-29-2006, 12:10 PM
Wow, Mario will be an ordinary defensive player if everything goes well? Did I miss Reggie Bush getting 2000 yards rushing and 30 TDs this year? Because his numbers seem just as ordinary.
Exactly!:mario2:

Texan_Bill
12-29-2006, 12:21 PM
This article lost me at ......."for the sorry state of these Lone Star losers"

Runner
12-29-2006, 12:26 PM
the exciting status of the play-off bound Texans does have a nicer ring to it.

Hardcore Texan
12-29-2006, 12:33 PM
I think the article pretty much describes what this season looked like (on the field, not the Mario/Bush regurgitation). It is more accurate than just believing that since Kubiak is here we'll have a dominant running game and Bronco-like success in another year or two. Kubiak needs to prove he has the goods, just like any player does.

Sure the Texans have won five games, but it would have been better if some of the losses had occurred after playing well against a better team. In too many of the losses (and the Raiders win) the Texans looked like they shouldn't be on a pro football field.

If the Texans had performed more like the team that showed up against Indy last week throughout the year I'd feel better about them. As it is, last week was an anomaly, not a true picture of the Texans. Yet.

This is true. We looked like a complete, competetive team a few times this year, IIRC both games against the Jags, the game against Indy, and we played a nice complete game against the Giants, even though it was a loss. But we have yet to do it week in and week out or even back to back, and consistency is a sign of a good ball club.

And even though we may have only 5 wins at present, I take it as a positive that we are 3-3 in the division.

Hervoyel
12-29-2006, 12:48 PM
Every year that follows any reasonably heavy coaching turnover in the NFL you get a season that plays out like this.

One coach (sometimes a couple of them) have "Cinderella" years. Sometimes they just inherited a team that was badly underperforming for their previous coach and other times they just have one of those fluke seasons where they go from lousy to unbeatable (for a while). Those coaches always seem to get the "Coach of the Year" awards and they are just as likely to be without a job in three years as everyone else. Every once in a while that early success is a sign of a dynasty being born but not often.

Then there are the other coaches with teams that don't improve all that much when they arrive. They're in the majority and everyone knows they aren't in the hot seat just because they're still losing. Usually this means that the team they inherited is just as bad as it looked under the previous regime Sometimes they make improvements that don't work out or they get bit by the injury bug. Not getting better the instant a new coach arrives doesn't mean that the new coach stinks or that he's done a bad job. Sometimes it just means the job was damned big and is going to take a while.

Whether the new coach won 12 games or 2 his first year means little. He's still just as likely to be looking for another job in three years anyway.

tulexan
12-29-2006, 12:50 PM
One coach (sometimes a couple of them) have "Cinderella" years. Sometimes they just inherited a team that was badly underperforming for their previous coach and other times they just have one of those fluke seasons where they go from lousy to unbeatable (for a while). Those coaches always seem to get the "Coach of the Year" awards and they are just as likely to be without a job in three years as everyone else. Every once in a while that early success is a sign of a dynasty being born but not often.


See Jim Mora Jr.

old football fan
12-29-2006, 01:52 PM
Guess this guy never heard of Reggie White. His first year everybody thought he was a total bust. Also we have 3 OL starters on IR and I think 6 DL. I believe Rick Smith did an awesome job of replacing the DL and I an excited about the up coming offseason. I truly believe that Kubiak and Smith will make this team much better with FA and Draft picks. Happy New Year!!

infantrycak
12-29-2006, 01:55 PM
Guess this guy never heard of Reggie White.

The OL coach for the Buffalo Bills was on the radio yesterday. He compared Mario to Bruce Smith and made the point that power rushers naturally take a couple years to develop and hit their stride generally in their 3rd year. He pointed out teams were already game planning for Mario.

OzzO
12-29-2006, 01:55 PM
Good find Grid (seriously). Apparently those sports guys at MSN really know their stuff... maybe taking some info from BSPN.

It’s hard to blame Kubiak and we can't blame C&C completely for the sorry state of these Lone Star losers. No matter how much they deny it, and we're pretty observant herethe Texans took Mario Williams, who will go down in NFL history as an ordinary defensive player — and that’s if everything goes well because sports gurus at MSN can predict the future after 1 season — because they didn’t want to meet the contract demands of Reggie Bush’s representatives. who were requesting quite a bit for a decoy That’s just one example of their flawed decision-making. and couldn't find another, but it sounds good

But Kubiak has enough talent in the fold that the Texans should be better than they are even with some of the talent on IR - but besides the point. Several of the team’s losses have been one-sided and ghastly — a 40-7 pulverizing at New England, a 34-6 whipping at Dallas, but don't mention the beating of Jags 27-7, or beating them twice, or beating Indy for the first time to name just two again, because this reporter couldn't find others. That’s an example of a team that doesn’t yet know how to compete, or doesn’t believe it can, and that’s a direct reflection on coaching.since obviously MSN sports team can turn 4 years of cr** leadership around in 1 year, we're good like that.

blah, blah, blah, fluff from BSPN, blah, blah....

Kubiak may not stay around long enough to finish this job.as neither may this "reporter" with the in depth knowledge provided, because this job may not be finished for a long, long time.

So there. :tease:

TexanSam
12-29-2006, 02:23 PM
Because the job won't be finished in a long, long time? In a league where a team can go from being 4-12 to 12-4 in one season (Chargers a few years back). Where a team that started 0-5 and now has a shot (albeit slim) at the playoffs (Titans). What about the Ravens, who finished with a record of 6-10 last year and this year are one of the top teams in the NFL. This writer is a joke.

El Tejano
12-29-2006, 02:23 PM
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Sure the Texans have won five games, but it would have been better if some of the losses had occurred after playing well against a better team. In too many of the losses (and the Raiders win) the Texans looked like they shouldn't be on a pro football field.



I hear you but keep in mind Kubes argument the whole time has been, not just one player is going to turn around the franchise into a winner and that in order to become better our defense needed to get better quickly. The above game and even the one in Jville , and even losses against Tenn, Buffalo, NYG all prove that based on Kubes above mentioned philosophy this team has made strides. I know some people think of Indy game as a fluke but there have been previous games against Indy in Houston where we let them get away.

What he did fail to mention though was that both sides of the ball went through a whole new scheme make over in which we had to spend our offseason converting LBs to DE and DEs to DTs, Figuring out if a project OT could make it here.

Or he failed to show that after the horrible 0-3 start The Texans have a chance at finishing the rest of the season 6-7, also have a chance of have a franchise best 4-4 home record.

Sure other coaches on new teams look better but most of those teams were like only 2 years removed from the playoffs - Like NY Jets, like the Rams, etc...

Vinny
12-29-2006, 03:15 PM
Guess this guy never heard of Reggie White. His first year everybody thought he was a total bust. It's amazing how much stuff is posted that isn't even close to reality. Reggie White was drafted and played with the Memphis Showboats of the USFL and he had 24 sacks in his first two years. White was the NFL rookie of the year despite not playing the full season due to the USFL folding.


White, who spent two seasons in the ill-fated United States Football League, made a memorable debut in the National Football League with the Philadelphia Eagles in Week 4 of the 1985 season. He collected 2.5 sacks, and deflected a pass that was intercepted and returned for touchdown. Despite the fact he played in only 13 games that season, White tied for the team lead with 13 sacks and was named the NFL's Defensive Rookie of the Year. The following season, White picked up 18 more sacks to earn his first of an astounding 13 straight Pro Bowl trips.
http://www.profootballhof.com/hof/member.jsp?player_id=257

Runner
12-29-2006, 03:34 PM
Reggie White was drafted and played with the Memphis Showboats of the USFL and he had 24 sacks in his first two years. White was the NFL rookie of the year despite not playing the full season due to the USFL folding.


When you put it that way it doesn't support the argument though.

Vinny
12-29-2006, 03:49 PM
When you put it that way it doesn't support the argument though.Support what argument? He said people thought Reggie White was a bust as a rookie in the NFL.....clearly nobody with any brains thought he was a bust as the Rookie of the year.

prostock101
12-29-2006, 04:22 PM
This guy is an *****. Did he mention all the injuries this team has had? Guess that would take some effort in order to write a real story....

gg no re
12-29-2006, 04:42 PM
Why are people getting their news from MSN?

Runner
12-29-2006, 05:54 PM
Support what argument? He said people thought Reggie White was a bust as a rookie in the NFL.....clearly nobody with any brains thought he was a bust as the Rookie of the year.

That Mario had a better year than White. I forgot my sarcasm smilie.

Texanfan4ever
12-29-2006, 07:05 PM
Beat me to the punch.

:texan:


Beat me too. Totally unbelievable.

Texans_Chick
12-29-2006, 07:16 PM
Though people have already mentioned the injuries which are near top of the league for IR, they haven't mentioned the schedule.

The Texans currently have played the 3rd hardest schedule in the league.

link (http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/teameff.php)

There have been all sorts of studies about how SOS can effect final record in a league with a lot of parity.

This year's schedule was a coaching nightmare--lots of time on the road in the middle of the season.

NATHANHALE
12-29-2006, 09:10 PM
Though people have already mentioned the injuries which are near top of the league for IR, they haven't mentioned the schedule.

The Texans currently have played the 3rd hardest schedule in the league.

link (http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/teameff.php)

There have been all sorts of studies about how SOS can effect final record in a league with a lot of parity.

This year's schedule was a coaching nightmare--lots of time on the road in the middle of the season.

...besides you, one of the links mentioned the 'tough' schedule a long with a couple other teams---is their a ranking somewhere that lists the # of injuries each team has?

RDillon
12-29-2006, 09:24 PM
ok last year it was Fire Capers. This year its Fire Carr. Next year lets fire the whole team. Start from scratch.

Runner
12-29-2006, 10:36 PM
The Texans currently have played the 3rd hardest schedule in the league.


And the darned Titans had the hardest. They only IR'd eight players though. I don't know how good those were; they did lose their good tight ends, I think.

Texian
12-29-2006, 11:13 PM
Who writes this cr*p. There you go boys and girls, there is living proof that if you want to be a journalist there is always a place for you. No matter how bad or your lack of research is or you are just plain ignorant about the subject matter, someone will hire you.

Grid
12-29-2006, 11:42 PM
Why are people getting their news from MSN?

MSN is a good source for news.. but not the best source for opinion pieces.

I posted it so that people would show a bit of life here and defend our coach.

t_flare
12-30-2006, 01:00 AM
hell if we won the superbowl they would still say the texans did bad because of Bush and Young pick...

You went from the worst team in the entire league last year to a 6-9 team this year... baby steps man! You had the worst talent last year, you had the worst schemes last year and you had no depth what so ever.. Rome wasnt built in a year.

Houston_Fanatic
12-30-2006, 01:45 AM
"Lone Star Losers"....... sounds like a Dallas Cowboy lover to me......

what a moron.

West Texas Texan
12-30-2006, 02:07 AM
I wonder what Kube's goals were for this year?
Perhaps:
1. Develop a new offensive strategy. That means getting all the players to buy in on the new scheme.
2. Begin the process of developing a winning attitude. After a 2-14 season, how does one begin this process?
3. Get management to buy in on my philosophies.
4. Get the players to buy in on my philosophies..
5. BEGIN the process of building an offense and defense and ST.
6. Build team confidence. The players themselves didn't believe that they were winners.
6. Win more than 2 games (this was a throw in).

I can probably add 15 more goals than what's already been placed here. Kubes inherited a team with a losing spirit, inexperienced talent (note: I didn't say NO talent), and a team that lacked confidence.

I think beating Indy was more important than most fans think. More important than a win, it proved to the players that Kube's system works, that they can play with the best teams in the league, and increased their confidence level immensely. The Indy game is going to go done in Texans history as a major turning point. This game will be to the Texans what Roger Bannister did to the 4 minute mile.

do you think that Kubes may have kept DC to prove to the team that his offensive scheme works, regardless of who is in there? (just a thought)

Moral of the story is that there were more fundamental issues that had to be addressed than wins and losses.

That being said, what goals were reached, which weren't, and what will the goals be for next year?

edo783
12-30-2006, 11:30 AM
];555793']I mean who writes like that except Vinny and a 2nd grader......... :marionaner:

Insulting a mod = :stirpot: = :aikido:

Shaaaaa!!!!!!

Shazzzammm, didn't ya get hit with a bolt of lightning or something for that?

HJam72
12-30-2006, 04:31 PM
I wonder what Kube's goals were for this year?
Perhaps:
1. Develop a new offensive strategy. That means getting all the players to buy in on the new scheme.
2. Begin the process of developing a winning attitude. After a 2-14 season, how does one begin this process?
3. Get management to buy in on my philosophies.
4. Get the players to buy in on my philosophies..
5. BEGIN the process of building an offense and defense and ST.
6. Build team confidence. The players themselves didn't believe that they were winners.
6. Win more than 2 games (this was a throw in).

I can probably add 15 more goals than what's already been placed here. Kubes inherited a team with a losing spirit, inexperienced talent (note: I didn't say NO talent), and a team that lacked confidence.

I think beating Indy was more important than most fans think. More important than a win, it proved to the players that Kube's system works, that they can play with the best teams in the league, and increased their confidence level immensely. The Indy game is going to go done in Texans history as a major turning point. This game will be to the Texans what Roger Bannister did to the 4 minute mile.

do you think that Kubes may have kept DC to prove to the team that his offensive scheme works, regardless of who is in there? (just a thought)

Moral of the story is that there were more fundamental issues that had to be addressed than wins and losses.

That being said, what goals were reached, which weren't, and what will the goals be for next year?

Not if we lose to the freaking Browns again. I hope our players are taking this game as seriously as I should think they would.

Insideop
12-30-2006, 06:01 PM
Did I miss something here? After he slams the Texans for picking Mario and saying he will never be any good, which seems to be his whole basis for saying the team is bad, Ventre then says "the Lions could be on the right track." Huh?

It's obvious this dude has no idea what's going on with this team and the progress they have made over the last year. He only thinks the Texans are bad because they picked Mario and then he backs it up with some team statistics and some stats on Carr. I don't think he has any idea what this team has been through this year and the fact we are 1 win away from a 4 game improvement from last year, and that's with all the injuries to starters on the O-line, D-line, DD, etc., etc....

I for one believe that Kubiak has done the best job he could under the circumstances, and I certainly don't believe picking Mario was a mistake and that he will be a failure. We may not have had the season we all had hoped for, but I believe Kubes and Smith have us on the right track, and I'm looking forward to a better year next year. JMHO!

NATHANHALE
12-30-2006, 07:00 PM
hell if we won the superbowl they would still say the texans did bad because of Bush and Young pick...

You went from the worst team in the entire league last year to a 6-9 team this year... baby steps man! You had the worst talent last year, you had the worst schemes last year and you had no depth what so ever.. Rome wasnt built in a year.

That's fine that you and many posters mention this on a daily basis, but you fail to mention we're the only modern day expansion team not to make the play-offs by our 4th year...so, talking about still taking 'baby steps' going into our 2nd decade, may be something we don't want to keep bringing up...not a 'good light' to brag about, especially when we've had the same starting QB the entire time...just how 'smart' are we?

aj.
12-30-2006, 07:10 PM
Not sure what's worse; whining about injuries, whining about the schedule, or invoking the 'baby steps' mantra...

There's been some things that I've seen from Kubiak and Smith that I really like. I think next year will be much better.

Grid
12-30-2006, 08:41 PM
I really dont see Indi as a turning point. Great win for us.. but we didnt win because the team took a big step forward, we won because we exploited a huge weakness that the Colts have.

The Browns dont have any huge weaknesses like that.. it is more likely to be an even match. I just hope we go in with confidence after last week.

txgrl125
12-30-2006, 09:26 PM
I just think this guy is ridiculous for even judging Kube as a "bad" coach at this point. (at least in making such "absolute" statements.) It is sad that coaches aren't given more time to build teams in the NFL. He has a lot work still to do here and I feel he is on the right track.

edo783
12-31-2006, 01:11 AM
we won because we exploited a huge weakness that the Colts have..

IMO, THAT is a hugh step forward for this team. I don't remember us ever doing that before.