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kastofsna
12-29-2006, 10:17 AM
1. Detroit - Brady Quinn, QB, Notre Dame - They need a QB desperately. Quinn is a prototypical QB.
2. Oakland - Calvin Johnson, WR, Georgia Tech - Oakland won't draft a QB. Forget about that. Randy Moss and Jerry Porter could both be gone, this is easy.
3. Cleveland - Adrian Peterson, RB, Oklahoma - A power running game would be nice for Cleveland.
4. Tampa Bay - Joe Thomas, T, Wisconsin - Lots of problems in Tampa, most notably the left side of the o-line.
5. Arizona - Gaines Adams, DE, Clemson - Worst pass-rush in the league. This will help that out just a tad.
6. Houston - JaMarcus Russell, QB, LSU - Has all the measurables, it's up to Gary Kubiak to develop Russell further. I think next year is Carr's final chance to prove he's worth the #1 pick, otherwise he's gone and Russell takes over.
7. Washington - Darrelle Revis, CB, Pittsburgh - Revis and Carlos Rogers form a formidable CB duo.
8. Minnesota - Ted Ginn, Jr, WR, Ohio State - Marcus Robinson was just cut, signifiying that the pretty weak WR corps for the Vikings need even more help than before. Ginn is an elite talent, but needs some work.
9. San Francisco - Reggie Nelson, S, Florida - San Francisco has a very promising offense, but their defense has been a huge burden this year. They could fix any part of it with this pick really. Nelson has dramatically improved his stock with his play this year.
10. Miami - LaMarr Woodley, DE/OLB, Michigan - Could eventually be Jason Taylor's replacement as a roaming DE/OLB. For right now, he'd play SLB next to Zach Thomas.
11. St. Louis - LaRon Landry, S, LSU - The Rams are an opprotunistic defense, but they still give up big plays and their safeties have a lot to do with that. They need run support from them, too. Landry does it all.
12. Atlanta - Alan Branch, DT, Michigan - Pretty much a BPA pick here. Coleman is very good, but Grady Jackson is old and Branch would at least provide excellent depth to start off.
13. Carolina - Patrick Willis, LB, Ole Miss - Dan Morgan is just not reliable enough as a starting ILB. If they draft Willis, either/or can be moved outside.
14. Green Bay - Marshawn Lynch, RB, Cal - Great value pick here. Whether Favre returns or not, the Packers need a running game. Lynch is explosive and has "rookie of the year" written all over him.
15. Pittsburgh - Antoine Cason, CB, Arizona - Cason is an elite talent and Pittsburgh has had a lot of problems with playing the ball in the air.
16. New York Giants - Leon Hall, CB, Michigan - The Giants are pretty old at CB and Leon Hall is the kind of player who could start immediately.
17. Buffalo - Levi Brown, T, Penn State - The Mike Williams draft pick was really awful. But that's history now, time to start anew. Not a huge fan of Brown, but he can be a solid RT.
18. New England - Robert Meachem, WR, Tennessee - With the loss of Deion Branch and some of the other Super Bowl Patriot receivers, it's time for a huge upgrade. Chad Jackson is developing slowly, and the other Florida receivers on the team aren't good enough to scare anyone.
19. Kansas City - Steve Smith, WR, USC - USC's best receiver goes to a team that needs one. They've done well without a star WR the past few years, mostly due to Tony Gonzalez and the running game, but a threat like Smith would be icing on the cake.
20. Jacksonville - Paul Posluszny, LB, Penn State - Real value pick here for the Jags. Not a great season after his knee injury in the '06 Orange Bowl, but that doesn't mean he won't be a great NFL player.
21. Cincinnati - Quinn Pitc0ck, DT, Ohio State - Cincy always seems to have problems up front on defense. Pitc0ck is a nice value pick here.
22. Tennessee - Dwayne Jarrett, WR, USC - Potentially the steal of the first round. Jarrett doesn't have good speed and most scouts look at him as nothing more than a possession receiver in the mold of former USC- standout Mike Williams. His 40 time will ultimately hurt his stock a ton. Tennessee lucks out.
23. Dallas - Justin Blalock, G, Texas - Tony Romo has looked great thus far, but when his o-line breaks down, he looks pretty pedestrian. Blalock can play several places on the line, but his true destiny is at guard.
24. New York Jets - Daymeion Hughes, CB, Cal - Justin Miller made it to the pro bowl this year.....as a returnman. He's not quite the same kind of player at CB. David Barrett could be the real deal, though.
25. Philadelphia - Dwayne Bowe, WR, LSU - Bowe should finally give the Eagles several legitimate receiving threats. Big guy with great hands.
26. Denver - Adam Carriker, DE, Nebraska - Denver's d-line consisting of all Browns players has been pretty good, surprisingly. But still, they're getting old, and aren't spectacular by any means. Carriker is a real steal. His stats don't look impressive, but that's mostly due to teams double teaming him and running plays away from him.
27. New Orleans - Amobi Okoye, DT, Louisville - This young guy would be a nice addition to a Saints line which already has some really great young players in Will Smith and Charles Grant. The sky's the limit with Okoye.
28. New England - Marcus McCauley, CB, Fresno State - Pretty easy pick here, the Pat Hill ties alone seal the deal, not to mention the fact that Belichick needs some serious help in the secondary. Ultra talented physically, but needs some help with his overall game.
29. Indianapolis - HB Blades, LB, Pittsburgh - The Colts really lack a playmaker at ILB; a true leader. Blades brings a lot of energy and experience and can start from day one.
30. Baltimore - Colt Brennan, QB, Hawai'i - Steve McNair won't last forever. And Kyle Boller is not going to replace him when that day comes. Brennan could use the time on the bench, learning the ins and outs of an NFL offense.
31. Chicago - Zach Miller, TE, Arizona State - Desmond Clark has been good this year, but not great. Miller is a better talent. And it couldn't hurt to have several good tight ends anyway.
32. San Diego - Michael Griffin, S, Texas - San Diego's "weakness" is their secondary. This is a good value pick.

DenverBorn
12-29-2006, 10:27 AM
Actually I think it's mathematically impossible for Cleveland to draft 3rd and Houston to draft 6th.

If Cleveland wins Sunday, then we're tied with them at 5-11 and our weaker SOS moves us ahead of them. Tampa probably moves to 3 (unless they win Sunday) and there's Arizona and Washington who are also likely to finish 5-11. AZ also has a weaker SOS than Houston, and we're tied with Washington going into the weekend.

If Houston wins Sunday, it would take several upsets to keep us in the 6 spot (I don't have time to figure it out) but as you well know, we're most likely to draft 9th. Given that AZ, SF and Minn all go into the weekend with significantly weaker SOS's than Houston, I am going to state that there is NO WAY a 6-10 Houston team would draft 6th.

So while I think your mock draft is interesting and thoughtful, in some respects, it doesn't reflect the likely draft order and thus is somewhat meaningless. Given all the work you put into it, it wouldn't be that difficult to project the likely final draft order. As you know, it's been discussed on another thread -

ArlingtonTexan
12-29-2006, 10:42 AM
Actually I think it's mathematically impossible for Cleveland to draft 3rd and Houston to draft 6th.

If Cleveland wins Sunday, then we're tied with them at 5-11 and our weaker SOS moves us ahead of them. Tampa probably moves to 3 (unless they win Sunday) and there's Arizona and Washington who are also likely to finish 5-11. AZ also has a weaker SOS than Houston, and we're tied with Washington going into the weekend.

If Houston wins Sunday, it would take several upsets to keep us in the 6 spot (I don't have time to figure it out) but as you well know, we're most likely to draft 9th. Given that AZ, SF and Minn all go into the weekend with significantly weaker SOS's than Houston, I am going to state that there is NO WAY a 6-10 Houston team would draft 6th.

So while I think your mock draft is interesting and thoughtful, in some respects, it doesn't reflect the likely draft order and thus is somewhat meaningless. Given all the work you put into it, it wouldn't be that difficult to project the likely final draft order. As you know, it's been discussed on another thread -

Wow, the dude uses the current order and gets beat across the head for it. Maybe you are taking a mock draft way too seriously. Seems more responsible to use the current order than guessing wildly as what might happen on sunday.Pretty sure you knew the Texans would beat the Colts, right?

YoungTexanFan
12-29-2006, 10:44 AM
It hurts to see both Meachem and Bowe go 1st round. As well as Okoye.

Your second round project for us based on your mock kast?

Dr. Toro
12-29-2006, 10:45 AM
Picks 1-4: highly probable.
AZ: Baker goes back to school (not if Carroll is hired), so AZ goes D or trades down.
HOU& Russell: Interesting, could be BPA at a potential need spot.
MIN& Ginn: Don't see it happening, they got Williamson, a lot of overlap there.
ATL: I see them taking the most polished receiver, Jarrett or Smith.
KC: I think if given the choice, they'd take the bigger receiver, Jarrett, as they stand to lose Gonzo. Ginn is also an option.
TEN: Need a burner, but Ginn is less valuable with Pac-Man returning. Jarrett is a great fit, Samardzjia works too. Need DE, DT, and MLB as well.

DenverBorn
12-29-2006, 10:46 AM
Wow, the dude uses the current order and gets beat across the head for it. Maybe you are taking a mock draft way too seriously. Seems more responsible to use the current order than guessing wildly as what might happen on sunday.Pretty sure you knew the Texans would beat the Colts, right?

Seems to me if you are going to invest all that time guessing which players will be drafted by which teams, then it wouldn't be that hard to make educated guesses as to who will win or lose this coming Sunday. He obviously knows his stuff when it comes to draft prospects, I'm certainly not challenging him there. The chances of us drafting 6th are next to nothing, so why spend the time specualting as to who we will draft in a spot where we know we won't be drafting? In another thread I took a shot at a projected top 10 draft order, took me about 10 minutes to put together.

beerlover
12-29-2006, 10:54 AM
The chances of us drafting 6th are next to nothing, so why spend the time specualting as to who we will draft in a spot where we know we won't be drafting?

just a guess here but someones going to get flamed :survivor:

YoungTexanFan
12-29-2006, 10:57 AM
Picks 1-4: highly probable.
AZ: Baker goes back to school (not if Carroll is hired), so AZ goes D or trades down.
HOU& Russell: Interesting, could be BPA at a potential need spot.
MIN& Ginn: Don't see it happening, they got Williamson, a lot of overlap there.
ATL: I see them taking the most polished receiver, Jarrett or Smith.
KC: I think if given the choice, they'd take the bigger receiver, Jarrett, as they stand to lose Gonzo. Ginn is also an option.
TEN: Need a burner, but Ginn is less valuable with Pac-Man returning. Jarrett is a great fit, Samardzjia works too. Need DE, DT, and MLB as well.

I think AZ could easily go DE w/Adams, but I think if JT is gone, they won't feel they are getting value for their pick.

I agree I don't see Ginn to Minny. Ginn is a more glorified Williamson.

I see ATL going S all the way. If Nelson and Landry are gone like suggested, I see them reaching on Griffin. I see WR as one of their last needs. They may go DT w/Branch if he falls, but they need S.

YoungTexanFan
12-29-2006, 10:59 AM
There is such tension in DeverBorn's posts. So much hostility. Relax bro. This is a public MB where everyone is entitled to an opinion that doesn't have to reflect yours. It's a mock, let him mock. If you are unhappy with a certian aspect, mock away yourself. But most importantly, keep the respect level up. This is a classy board, so let's keep it that way.

ArlingtonTexan
12-29-2006, 11:01 AM
Seems to me if you are going to invest all that time guessing which players will be drafted by which teams, then it wouldn't be that hard to make educated guesses as to who will win or lose this coming Sunday. He obviously knows his stuff when it comes to draft prospects, I'm certainly not challenging him there. The chances of us drafting 6th are next to nothing, so why spend the time specualting as to who we will draft in a spot where we know we won't be drafting? In another thread I took a shot at a projected top 10 draft order, took me about 10 minutes to put together.

Or maybe just wait 4 days to put together a mock since having the exact draft order so important. The major thing you should attempting to learn this time of the year are the players and the basic needs of the teams. Guesses the week of the draft are going to be incorrect much less December. Mock drafts are meant to be a fun actitity of what if, not some measurement of reality.

Dr. Toro
12-29-2006, 11:01 AM
I think AZ could easily go DE w/Adams, but I think if JT is gone, they won't feel they are getting value for their pick.

I agree I don't see Ginn to Minny. Ginn is a more glorified Williamson.

I see ATL going S all the way. If Nelson and Landry are gone like suggested, I see them reaching on Griffin. I see WR as one of their last needs. They may go DT w/Branch if he falls, but they need S.

ATL's pass D has been brutal, but I just figure with Blank in Vick's pocket, all the complaining he's done about WR, and their miserable play, they'd appease him. That being said, they did spend 1st rounders on White and Jenkins and have Lelie, so maybe they are a little burned out on 1st round WRs.

threetoedpete
12-29-2006, 11:02 AM
Very well done Kastranostra. I think you've got them all sloted correctly for what we know as of the end of December. Great Job.

DenverBorn
12-29-2006, 11:06 AM
just a guess here but someones going to get flamed :survivor:

Why? For once I am being optimistic. I think we'll beat Cleveland on Sunday, and if we do, we most likely won't draft 6th. 9th is my best guess. I can't run all of the simulations but I just don't see how a 6-10 Houston team drafts 6th, given the records and SOS's of the teams going into the weekend. I guess if Houston wins, Washington wins, Minnesota wins AND San Francisco wins (all upsets except Houston) AND Washington's SOS ends up tied or better than ours (currently tied), then we'd probably draft 6th. Very unlikely. So go ahead and flame me for being optimistic -

kastofsna
12-29-2006, 11:17 AM
my purpose here is to make a mock draft, not to guess who's going to wind up with what picks after it's all said and done. it's a lot easier just to use the current draft order and go from there. because...that's the most logical.

YoungTexanFan
12-29-2006, 11:18 AM
my purpose here is to make a mock draft, not to guess who's going to wind up with what picks after it's all said and done. it's a lot easier just to use the current draft order and go from there. because...that's the most logical.

Tis what most mockers do these days.

Vinny
12-29-2006, 11:21 AM
Or maybe just wait 4 days to put together a mock since having the exact draft order so important. The major thing you should attempting to learn this time of the year are the players and the basic needs of the teams. Guesses the week of the draft are going to be incorrect much less December. Mock drafts are meant to be a fun actitity of what if, not some measurement of reality.
Mocks are a good way to get to know the players that are coming into the league and give fans a chance to browse the other teamís needs as the season ends.

Kast, we obviously don't tend to think alike but your mock isn't bad at all for this point of the year. The one thing that jumped out to me was the Eagles choice. I think they are happy with Stallworth and Brown at wr1 and wr2 and will take a guy like Adam Carriker if he is there. That guy is a freak (built like Mario Williams) and just reeks of NFL player, and the Eagles have a miserable pass rush that really hurts an otherwise fairly solid defense.

kastofsna
12-29-2006, 11:22 AM
Tis what most mockers do these days.
yeah, that's why i avoid it. because ultimately you wind up with people complaining about where you positioned the teams more than anything else. seriously, check out early season mocks, they're always "umm you seriously think the colts will win the super bowl??? not with that defense!" you get people breaking down the chances of a team winning a super bowl more than the mock itself.

kastofsna
12-29-2006, 11:24 AM
Kast, we obviously don't tend to think alike but your mock isn't bad at all for this point of the year. The one thing that jumped out to me was the Eagles choice. I think they are happy with Stallworth and Brown at wr1 and wr2 and will take a guy like Adam Carriker if he is there. That guy is a freak (built like Mario Williams) and just reeks of NFL player, and the Eagles have a miserable pass rush that really hurts an otherwise fairly solid defense.
stallworth is in the same league as chris chambers, extremely disappointing ultimately. i think bowe brings a different element anyway with his size, something philly hasn't had in receivers since what's-his-face (nor before him, either). and i'm with you on carriker--i think he's a top 10 player.

Vinny
12-29-2006, 11:27 AM
stallworth is in the same league as chris chambers, extremely disappointing ultimately. i think bowe brings a different element anyway with his size, something philly hasn't had in receivers since what's-his-face (nor before him, either). and i'm with you on carriker--i think he's a top 10 player.
Stallworth is their wr2 really. I think Brown is good enough to be their primary wr and Stallworth is a good field stretcher. I just can't see them taking a wr here, that's all.

stingray
12-29-2006, 11:29 AM
Stallworth is good but he is too inconsistent and seems to always get hurt for long stretches. The Eagles need a solid #1 reciever that is consistent.

kastofsna
12-29-2006, 11:31 AM
Stallworth is their wr2 really. I think Brown is good enough to be their primary wr and Stallworth is a good field stretcher. I just can't see them taking a wr here, that's all.
stallworth is pretty much just a deep threat though. he's a good mismatch in the slot but as a #2 he's not able to fight with corners. that's why i like bowe. but it's certainly possible they won't draft him....

old football fan
12-29-2006, 11:32 AM
I think the NFL will decide what order the teams pick. The main thing in the draft is to expect the unexpected form all the teams. Mock drafts are for fun and to get you thinking on what might happen. HAPPY NEW YEAR

tulexan
12-29-2006, 11:36 AM
Eagles have more pressing needs than a WR. Stallworth may not be a great WR, but because they use the RB and TE in the passing game so much, they do not necessarily need to have two great WR's.

GuerillaBlack
12-29-2006, 11:37 AM
I think Houston would go with Marshawn Lynch instead of JaMarcus Russell.

Silver Oak
12-29-2006, 11:40 AM
If Thomas isn't there for us, which I don't think he will be, then Russel would be a great choice...assuming we upgrade the OL in the 2nd round.

kastofsna
12-29-2006, 11:42 AM
Eagles have more pressing needs than a WR. Stallworth may not be a great WR, but because they use the RB and TE in the passing game so much, they do not necessarily need to have two great WR's.
you don't use the first round for "most pressing needs." and one of the reasons they use the RB and TE so much is because of the general ineptitude of the receivers. they didn't have a problem throwing to the WR's when owens was there.

Texian
12-29-2006, 11:47 AM
Good Job Kast...Here see how you matchup and compare;

http://www.draftnotebook.com/draft_projection.htm

tulexan
12-29-2006, 11:49 AM
you don't use the first round for "most pressing needs." and one of the reasons they use the RB and TE so much is because of the general ineptitude of the receivers. they didn't have a problem throwing to the WR's when owens was there.

Not necessarily true. Sometimes teams don't go after big WR's because they don't need them. The Chargers have had no problems with their offense by using Gates and Tomlinson so much in the passing game and the Chiefs never had a problem a few years ago when they were using Gonzales and Holmes so much.

kastofsna
12-29-2006, 11:49 AM
Good Job Kast...Here see how you matchup and compare;

http://www.draftnotebook.com/draft_projection.htm

it's hard for me to keep reading any mock after i see the raiders taking a QB.

kastofsna
12-29-2006, 11:51 AM
Not necessarily true. Sometimes teams don't go after big WR's because they don't need them. The Chargers have had no problems with their offense by using Gates and Tomlinson so much in the passing game and the Chiefs never had a problem a few years ago when they were using Gonzales and Holmes so much.
yes, very true. but the eagles have already shown that they love a nice big receiver when they went hard after terrell owens and he had the best year of his career.

tulexan
12-29-2006, 11:52 AM
Good Job Kast...Here see how you matchup and compare;

http://www.draftnotebook.com/draft_projection.htm

Lions picking Calvin Johnson would be too funny.

Sarg01
12-29-2006, 11:55 AM
it's hard for me to keep reading any mock after i see the raiders taking a QB.

Folks keep holding out hope that one day, Al Davis will grow a brain.

Sort of like a couple drafts ago when Butch Davis screwed my almost perfect mock of the top 16 up because I couldn't believe he'd be stupid enough to give up a 2nd to move one slot for Kellen Winslow despite clear rumors to the contrary.

Maddict5
12-29-2006, 01:03 PM
Mocks are a good way to get to know the players that are coming into the league and give fans a chance to browse the other teamís needs as the season ends.

Kast, we obviously don't tend to think alike but your mock isn't bad at all for this point of the year. The one thing that jumped out to me was the Eagles choice. I think they are happy with Stallworth and Brown at wr1 and wr2 and will take a guy like Adam Carriker if he is there. That guy is a freak (built like Mario Williams) and just reeks of NFL player, and the Eagles have a miserable pass rush that really hurts an otherwise fairly solid defense.


i dont know- they have very good rushers already in howard, kearse and cole.. personally i see them go LB'er or even another DT before that.... but you could be right aswell


anyway the pick i like least is the raven's 1- imo boller will take over there when mcnair leaves which could still be another year or 2- id say they might take a rb, o-line or corner

personally, for the texans, id prefer to take a DB or o-line before russell eventhough i do like his potential

TexansLucky13
12-29-2006, 01:26 PM
Putting the Patriots at #18 are we kastofsna? That is foolish, IMO.

Buckle
12-29-2006, 01:31 PM
Houston I don't see taking a QB in the 1st round especially with bigger needs at D-line, O-Line, RB, DB, LB. Tampa I don't see taking a tackle in the 1st, I could see it more if you flip the players that Tampa and Arizona takes. TB gets a young DE since there is talk of them releasing Rice because of his salary, and Arizona needs a new LT and see Joe Thomas as the perfect fit there.

Vinny
12-29-2006, 01:32 PM
Houston I don't see taking a QB in the 1st round especially with bigger needs at D-line, O-Line, RB, DB, LB. Tampa I don't see taking a tackle in the 1st, I could see it more if you flip the players that Tampa and Arizona takes. TB gets a young DE since there is talk of them releasing Rice because of his salary, and Arizona needs a new LT and see Joe Thomas as the perfect fit there.Taking pure need guys in the first round lead you to the Jason Babins and Travis Johnsons of the world.

TexansLucky13
12-29-2006, 01:36 PM
Taking pure need guys in the first round lead you to the Jason Babins and Travis Johnsons of the world.

It is strange, though, that as I look down this mock draft list, every team seems to be taking a player they need.

:twocents:

Vinny
12-29-2006, 01:38 PM
It is strange, though, that as I look down this mock draft list, every team seems to be taking a player they need.

:twocents:Thats how you do mocks, since you are such a smart guy. Most of the fans have no clue how the final player evaluation pans out since almost 100% of us do not have coaches film nor do we interview coaches and players and search backgrounds on the hundreds of prospects. You don't pass pro bowl graded talent over a lesser talent to fill a hole early in the draft...well, you can but it often ends up with mediocre talent paid like superstar talent.

tulexan
12-29-2006, 01:53 PM
Taking pure need guys in the first round lead you to the Jason Babins and Travis Johnsons of the world.

Bad trades lead you to the Jason Babins and Travis Johnsons of the world.

Bubbajwp
12-29-2006, 02:02 PM
Putting the Patriots at #18 are we kastofsna? That is foolish, IMO.

Its from a trade last year. They have two first rounders.

stingray
12-29-2006, 02:11 PM
Taking pure need guys in the first round lead you to the Jason Babins and Travis Johnsons of the world.

Very True, Very True.. And don't forget Mario. He might end up being a solid player but as of right now, he isn't a first pick overall guy.

GuerillaBlack
12-29-2006, 02:24 PM
Houston I don't see taking a QB in the 1st round especially with bigger needs at D-line, O-Line, RB, DB, LB. Tampa I don't see taking a tackle in the 1st, I could see it more if you flip the players that Tampa and Arizona takes. TB gets a young DE since there is talk of them releasing Rice because of his salary, and Arizona needs a new LT and see Joe Thomas as the perfect fit there.

What are the chances that Houston picks up Rice. Do we have the cap room for it? I think the NFL needs to raise the cap by a couple million (maybe 10).

doughboy
12-29-2006, 03:01 PM
TEN: Need a burner, but Ginn is less valuable with Pac-Man returning. Jarrett is a great fit, Samardzjia works too. Need DE, DT, and MLB as well.

Id rather Have a DE maybe Queinton Moses and as far as MLB I think We are set with Stephen Tulloch. Jamarcus Russell would be agood pick for a QB but he isnt acrunch time QB.

Buckle
12-29-2006, 03:02 PM
Well I do believe the salary cap is due to increase next year, by how much I am not sure. Yes that is true taking players due to need lead to Babins & TJ's but I am more comfortable with the current coaches player evaluations than the last ones.

Buckle
12-29-2006, 04:42 PM
Well I do believe the salary cap is due to increase next year, by how much I am not sure. Yes that is true taking players due to need lead to Babins & TJ's but I am more comfortable with the current coaches player evaluations than the last ones.

cadahnic
12-30-2006, 12:55 PM
6. Houston - JaMarcus Russell, QB, LSU - Has all the measurables, it's up to Gary Kubiak to develop Russell further. I think next year is Carr's final chance to prove he's worth the #1 pick, otherwise he's gone and Russell takes over.


This mock is significantly better than your last one, but your logic on our pick makes no sense. If we are giving David Carr another year to prove he's the guy (at this point in time I think we will), then we aren't going to use a #6 overall pick on a QB. If we were to take a QB this high, Carr would be gone and we'd have another veteren (likely Sage) manning the starting QB position until Russell is ready. I don't see the Texans taking a QB in the 1st round at all.

stingray
12-30-2006, 01:17 PM
This mock is significantly better than your last one, but your logic on our pick makes no sense. If we are giving David Carr another year to prove he's the guy (at this point in time I think we will), then we aren't going to use a #6 overall pick on a QB. If we were to take a QB this high, Carr would be gone and we'd have another veteren (likely Sage) manning the starting QB position until Russell is ready. I don't see the Texans taking a QB in the 1st round at all.


It could happen, just like Kastof said, cause it happened in San Diego. Remember when the Chargers had given up on Drew Brees and they drafted Phillip Rivers, to eventually take over, and probably in his rookie year. But something Magical happened, Brees started playing very well and the Chargers didn't know what to do. They eventually thought that Rivers would be just as good or better than Brees and they let Brees go, but they were set, they could pick from either one. There is nothing wrong with having two good quarterbacks.

And i'm nhot saying that Carr is going to be like Brees, but you never know, but we would have a rookie with lots of talent if he doesn't.

threetoedpete
12-30-2006, 11:26 PM
Actually ray-tex that was a very good post. The only nit pick I have with it is that I believe the First move was to take the guy NY coveted. Then make a deal for Rivers. And if they end up at the big dance it was very shrewd indeed.

The Stevensen's mock...has only one OL guy going in the first. So are you saying that there is only one value OL in this group worth a first round pick ?

Also I noticed ..he has the wolf(Belichick) cherry picking two top guys at the bottom of the round again.

I know he has the numbers. But Rice is far from a polished prospect. I believe he will go back. If he does come out...he slides. JMHO.

jdog
12-31-2006, 09:40 AM
you don't use the first round for "most pressing needs." and one of the reasons they use the RB and TE so much is because of the general ineptitude of the receivers. they didn't have a problem throwing to the WR's when owens was there.

BPA leads to the Detroit Lions of the world. Watch. They'll take Calvin Johnson.

Titan "Tack" Fan
12-31-2006, 09:55 AM
I like this mock. You put Dwayne Bowe in the first round where he should be. Good call.

Huge
12-31-2006, 10:10 AM
6. Houston - JaMarcus Russell, QB, LSU - Has all the measurables, it's up to Gary Kubiak to develop Russell further. I think next year is Carr's final chance to prove he's worth the #1 pick, otherwise he's gone and Russell takes over.
That's the only pick I'd have a problem with. Well, not really the pick but the reasoning after the pick.

Why draft a QB with the 6th overall pick and then give Carr another year to prove he's the guy? If he proves he's the guy, then what do you do with Russell?

If they draft a QB in the 1st, next year is Carr's last in Houston...if he's even around for next year.

Goldeagle
12-31-2006, 10:18 AM
You are crazy to think they will draft a QB with the first pick.

threetoedpete
12-31-2006, 03:44 PM
That's the only pick I'd have a problem with. Well, not really the pick but the reasoning after the pick.

Why draft a QB with the 6th overall pick and then give Carr another year to prove he's the guy? If he proves he's the guy, then what do you do with Russell?

If they draft a QB in the 1st, next year is Carr's last in Houston...if he's even around for next year.

Bottom Line on DC is he is a guy who has taken 248 hits. If you want a top prospect...gotta go get 1 when you habe a chance. Russell's very raw. But he is a big time prospect. I like that strech a heck of a lot better than the option we were presented with last year. Russell is coachable. And..has an NFL delivery.

DRAMA
12-31-2006, 04:53 PM
Look at our secondary - we still need help there! Laron Landry is a stud - ballhawk - can hit - is spoken of as a leader - would probably start day 1.

If we're at 10-ish - Landry is a good solid call. However, if Russell is on the board, I'd be cringing. I'd love to have that cannon on the Texans! Denver did it last year and NOBODY saw Cutler going to the Broncos.