PDA

View Full Version : Holiday Bowl, Players to watch tonite


Texian
12-28-2006, 11:26 AM
Holiday Bowl, ESPN, 8:00pm EST

CAL
Marshawn Lynch ( Jr.)
RB 5'11", 217 -No Rating from Scouts Inc
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/player/profile?playerId=163361

Daymeion Hughes
CB | (5'11", 188, 4.56) | CALIFORNIA
Scouts Grade: 91 Strengths: Possesses adequate height. Is quicker than fast. Very fluid and smooth in his hips. Is a naturally gifted athlete with good instincts in coverage. He shows the quick feet and change-of-direction skills to match up one-on-one in the short-to-intermediate passing game. He gets in and out of his pedal quickly. Diagnoses plays effectively and will consistently get a good jump on the ball. He shows good short-area burst when breaking on the ball in front of him. His ball skills are outstanding. He knows when to play the ball vs. when to play the receiver. He also knows when to go for the pick vs. when to knock the ball down. He gives a good effort in run support and is a solid wrap-up (sometimes drag-down) tackler in space. He also has proven ability in blocking kicks and covering kicks on special teams.

Brandon Mebane
DT | (6'0", 298, 5.11) | CALIFORNIA
Scouts Grade: 85 Strengths: Possesses adequate-to-good bulk. Fires off the ball quickly and with good leverage. Consistently gets good positioning and uses his strong hands and upper body to control offe4nsive linemen. He displays excellent awareness and finds the ball quickly. Shows good hand usage to disengage nad he makes a lot of plays in pursuit. His motor is non-stop. Displays good initial quickness and above average overall mobility for his size. Can hold his ground versus the run and also flashes the ability to penetrate and disrupt. Continues to improve his array of pass rush moves and he's relentless when turned loose on the quarterback.

Weaknesses: Lacks ideal height and will have some trouble versus taller, bigger offensive linemen that are able to neutralize him by engulfing him. He is quick and agile, but lacks top-end speed. Does not show ideal athleticism and will not be as much of a playmaker in the NFL.

Desmond Bishop
ILB | (6'1", 240, 5.0) | CALIFORNIA
Scouts Grade: 80 Strengths: Possesses good overall size. Is quicker than fast. Shows good instincts and a nose for the ball. Takes solid angles in pursuit. Is big and powerful enough to take on blockers in the phone booth. Fills hard versus the inside run and shows the power to blow up iso-blockers in the hole. He is a powerful tackler with good wrap-up skills in space. He plays with a high motor and a mean streak. Always seems to be around the football and is a playmaker versus the run. Makes his presence felt over the middle of the field in coverage. Shows adequate range in middle-zone coverage and will do a good job of playing the ball in front of him.

Weaknesses: Lack of top-end speed is concerning. Seems to play faster on the field, but his timed-speed was marginal in the spring of 2006. Needs to play with more consistent leverage. Will lose his power when attempting to take blockers on too high. Needs to do a better job of protecting his legs in space. Takes some false steps versus the play-fake. Lacks ideal closing burst as a pass rusher and must how to get off of blocks once reached. Not a huge playmaker in the passing game. Lacks the fluid hips and top-end speed to turn and run versus faster running backs one-on-one in coverage. Also displays below average ball skills in coverage.


TEXAS A&M
Courtney Lewis
RB | (5'10", 196, 4.66) | TEXAS A&M
Scouts Grade: 71 Strengths: Possesses adequate vision and has enough lateral mobility to exploit cutback lanes given the opportunity, Shows good initial burst, is quick enough to turn the corner and shows a second gear in the open field. Runs hard, possesses adequate-not-great size and flashes the ability to pick up yards after contact. Runs adequate routes, doesn't drop many passes that should catch and can be productive after the catch. Has some experience returning kickoffs and is capable of making an impact on special teams in the NFL.

Weaknesses: Lacks ideal lower body strength, doesn't stay low to the ground and has problems picking up the tough yards in short yardage situations. Takes too long to read blocks, is indecisive and dances in the hole at times. Doesn't explode out of cuts, lacks ideal elusiveness and isn't going to make multiple defenders miss once in the open field. Missed two games with an ankle injury in 2005 and durability is a concern.

Justin Warren
ILB | (6'2", 242, 4.9) | TEXAS A&M
Scouts Grade: 37 Strengths: A classic two-down run-stuffing middle linebacker prospect. Is tall and thickly built. He is instinctive in the running game. Reads plays quickly and does a good job with his pursuit angles. He shows the size and base to anchor at the point of attack when taking on blocks. He also is a solid wrap-up tackler in space. Displays good recognition skills and won't take a lot of false steps. Is capable of holding up in middle-zone coverage. Displays enough quickness and instincts to make plays on the ball in front of him.

Weaknesses: Lacks explosiveness. He is big and shows good lower body strength, but he lacks upper body power and lacks ferociousness as a tackler. More of a "thudder" than "striker" when it comes to his tackling. Below average speed and athletic ability. Does not show sideline-to-sideline range versus the run. Is high-cut and relatively stiff in his hips. Does not show the fluidity or speed to match up one-on-one consistently in the NFL. He has never been a huge playmaker in the passing game, either. Has some minor durability issues, including an undisclosed injury that caused him to miss one game in 2005 and slowed him in several others.

threetoedpete
12-28-2006, 11:39 AM
I'd be alot happier with Warren and Hughes if their forty numbers were better. But, they're football players. So I'm yeilding to beerlovers "look at the game tape" therory on them. Rathers, I'd rather go for the fenses with the Grand Valley state guy vs Warren. I'm worried that Hughes is a product of a good deffensive shceme.

Errant Hothy
12-28-2006, 11:41 AM
Shouldn't Marshawn Lynch be on this list?

I mean he's liekly to be the best palyer to take teh feild from either team, and is also likely to declare for teh draft.

threetoedpete
12-28-2006, 11:49 AM
I'd rather have the under achieving curled lipped Lorenzo after last night. Marshawn should be on the board at nine...we'll see. Kast loves the guy for sure. Can't have 'em all. We'll definately have to pick somebody. QB prospect , OL guy, Running back, after last year who knows. You're guess is as good as mine. Hollywood John has a source that says it won't be Deffense ? Which seems weird to me since Petie Faggins IS one of our starting corners. And ...at the nine as Vinny pointed out on the other thread, we should have our pick of the cornners. So What does all of that say...at this point your guess is as good as ours.

kastofsna
12-28-2006, 11:55 AM
yeah, lynch is definitely a guy to look at for houston. i like desmond bishop a lot, too.

i loved daymeion hughes, but he looked really poor against steve smith in the USC game. his stock should be hurt by that, so maybe he'll be a good value pick for someone.

threetoedpete
12-28-2006, 12:06 PM
Yes Lynch should be on the list...give Texian a chance to fix it.

Texian
12-28-2006, 12:10 PM
OK I added Lynch, just wanted to see if ya'll were paying attention.
ESPN, Scouts Inc has no rating for Lynch because he is a junior.

Ryan
12-28-2006, 04:16 PM
shows what espn knows...courtney lewis has hardly played at all this year


beat the hell outta cal!

YoungTexanFan
12-28-2006, 08:19 PM
Brandon Mebane is my DT sleeper pick.

High motor with good size. Good strengh and can shed blockers. Explosive and relentless. Good moves. He can stop the run, but he can penetrate. He is like a very motivated and more talented TJ. Well, I guess he is the opposite of what TJ actually is.

Beerlover has Okoye who should go round 1.
YoungTexanFan has Mebane who should go round 2-3.

rollinstone18
12-28-2006, 08:54 PM
From what I've seen, I like this Bishop kid. Any clue what round he's projected to go in?

V Man
12-28-2006, 09:20 PM
I am liking the California WR Jackson (is he even legible for the draft).


PS. Why doesn't Lynch have his name on his jersey like the rest of his team?

YoungTexanFan
12-28-2006, 09:21 PM
Any updates on Mebane or Hughes? No cable TV here.

V Man
12-28-2006, 09:40 PM
I am liking the California WR Jackson (is he even legible for the draft).


Darn he is only a Sophmore.

JDizzle
12-28-2006, 10:02 PM
Desmond Bishop is looking solid.

stingray
12-28-2006, 10:02 PM
Linch is good, I had not seen him play before but he impreses me. He reminds me of Laurence Maroney. I think the Texans might take him if AD is gone.

V Man
12-28-2006, 10:08 PM
Desmond Bishop is looking solid.

He has, what round would you take him at?

How about a all Cali Day 1

1st round- Lynch
2nd round- Hughes
3rd round- Bishop

Ryan
12-28-2006, 10:09 PM
this is a painful game to wach as an aggie fan

beerlover
12-28-2006, 10:13 PM
He has, what round would you take him at?

How about a all Cali Day 1

1st round- Lynch
2nd round- Hughes
3rd round- Bishop


you better sub out Bishop for Brandon Mebane otherwise YTF will flip :tearup:

YoungTexanFan
12-28-2006, 10:15 PM
you better sub out Bishop for Brandon Mebane otherwise YTF will flip :tearup:

lol. Won't flip. Just think he is going to be a surprise with the way he plays. He has a constant motor with very good skills. I like him but wouldn't be upset with Okoye beerlover.

Do you want to wager a beer on who has a better rookie year?



Also, how did Hughes and Mebane do in the game?

JDizzle
12-28-2006, 10:17 PM
He has, what round would you take him at?

How about a all Cali Day 1

1st round- Lynch
2nd round- Hughes
3rd round- Bishop

I'm not good at grading the draft. In fact I suck at it so I do not know where he's projected to go in the draft. But going off watching him tonight I do not think it's a stretch to say he'd be a definite upgrade over Greenwood and Orr. Excellent tackler and takes great angles. He doesn't look like the fastest guy on the field but he closes pretty quick and finishes the tackle ... unlike Greenwood who went to the Jay Foreman school of feet and jersey tackling.

YoungTexanFan
12-28-2006, 10:24 PM
Do you want to wager a beer on who has a better rookie year?



Also, how did Hughes and Mebane do in the game?

Still waiting on answers to these two.

V Man
12-28-2006, 10:28 PM
Also, how did Hughes and Mebane do in the game?

Neither really stood out to me.

Mebane- I really didn't watch

Hughes- to his defense, A&M runs the ball a lot, so not many chances to display his skills (didn't see many balls thrown his way when A&M was throwing when trying to get back in the game).

mexican_texan
12-28-2006, 10:30 PM
I watched the wrong game tonight. I like this score. Those Cal uniforms are quite ugly, though.

tulexan
12-28-2006, 11:05 PM
My thoughts on the game...

I love Bishop. The guy looks like another Demeco in the way he is always around the ball.

I couldn't really get a good read on Hughes because they never threw to the guy he was covering (good sign), but he did have some good hits.

I really would like the Texans to pick Lynch. Peterson will most likely be gone by the time the Texans pick and Lynch is not much of a fall off from him (if any). The guy runs with a lot of power, has enough speed to take it to the house, has good moves, and can catch the ball. He is also the prototypical size for a RB in the NFL at 5'11 215LB.

beerlover
12-28-2006, 11:14 PM
lol. Won't flip. Just think he is going to be a surprise with the way he plays. He has a constant motor with very good skills. I like him but wouldn't be upset with Okoye beerlover.

Do you want to wager a beer on who has a better rookie year?

you don't have to twist my arm :yes:

will review the tape over the weekend of Mebane & give some better feedback, can't wait to see Okoye lace it up again in the Orange Bowl (even taking Tuesday night off for this one) to see if he is good as advertised :)

YoungTexanFan
12-29-2006, 01:31 AM
you don't have to twist my arm :yes:

will review the tape over the weekend of Mebane & give some better feedback, can't wait to see Okoye lace it up again in the Orange Bowl (even taking Tuesday night off for this one) to see if he is good as advertised :)

haha, no worries bro.

my friend taped the game, I'm just impatient.

painekiller
12-29-2006, 04:27 AM
A&M uses a 3 man front and they are not the biggest guys around. Not a good match up for the very large OL of Cal's . Not sure this was a good game to judge Lynch, the aggies are not a great team against the run.

I like what I saw of Hughes, he really hits. Also noticed the aggies tended to run the option to the left which put Goodson as the dive back and Lane as the tailing back. Not the best plan for them, so there must have been a reason and I would guess that some of that was Hughes being very strong against the run. I would not be upset if he is taken by us.

kastofsna
12-29-2006, 07:48 AM
before the season started i said bishop was the best ILB in the country. well, i've kinda softened on that stance, but he's still a damn good prospect, and looked great last night. his downfall will be his 40 time, because he's just not that fast. so he should be a great value pick for someone in the later rounds.

lynch looked pretty good. not spectacular. but that's not important. he's still a top 15 pick easily.

as for mebane, i've liked him for a while. he'll probably be a 3-tech at the next level.

El Tejano
12-29-2006, 08:57 AM
Lynch looked good behind a very solid line. I didn't see him really make to many plays, however for our team he possess the ability to catch out the backfield.

Desmond Bishop and Demeco Ryans on the same field is all I thought about in this game.

I wish Desean Jackson was not a sophmore because he is the kind of receiver we need on this team.

Dr. Toro
12-29-2006, 10:21 AM
Any chance Forsett comes out?

I know he was running against a D that Lynch wore down, but he was popping 30 yarders every time. He's listed at 5'8" 186, but he looked a little thicker than that, a lot of those figures aren't updated after the freshman year. Maybe it was the stadium and the blue and gold, but he looked a little like LT the way he squeezed through those holes and was gone in an instant.

YoungTexanFan
12-29-2006, 10:48 AM
before the season started i said bishop was the best ILB in the country. well, i've kinda softened on that stance, but he's still a damn good prospect, and looked great last night. his downfall will be his 40 time, because he's just not that fast. so he should be a great value pick for someone in the later rounds.

lynch looked pretty good. not spectacular. but that's not important. he's still a top 15 pick easily.

as for mebane, i've liked him for a while. he'll probably be a 3-tech at the next level.

I was never too high on bishop, so after reviewing the game this morning, I do like what I saw this time. He sheds well. Quick, not fast. Only short bursts, I don't know if I see him being able to go sideline to sideline in the NFL. Good size.

Mebane put in another solid performance last night.

Why would he ever not have his hand down kast?

threetoedpete
12-29-2006, 11:08 AM
From what I've seen, I like this Bishop kid. Any clue what round he's projected to go in?

Agreed.

threetoedpete
12-29-2006, 11:15 AM
My thoughts on the game...

I love Bishop. The guy looks like another Demeco in the way he is always around the ball.

I couldn't really get a good read on Hughes because they never threw to the guy he was covering (good sign), but he did have some good hits.

I really would like the Texans to pick Lynch. Peterson will most likely be gone by the time the Texans pick and Lynch is not much of a fall off from him (if any). The guy runs with a lot of power, has enough speed to take it to the house, has good moves, and can catch the ball. He is also the prototypical size for a RB in the NFL at 5'11 215LB.

I'm the exact opposite. No offense kats. Guy gets stuffed on third and short, well lets just say I don't have him ranked as high as some folks. I don't see Curtis Martin. He's expensive for what he has in the bag for a day one pick. JMHO.

YoungTexanFan
12-29-2006, 11:18 AM
I'm the exact opposite. No offense kats. Guy gets stuffed on third and short, well lets just say I don't have him ranked as high as some folks. I don't see Curtis Martin. He's expensive for what he has in the bag for a day one pick. JMHO.

He's not a 3rd down back. He is almost a scat back type. He is quick and light on his feet. Nimble. Good vision and quick cuts. He's not a bruiser.

kastofsna
12-29-2006, 11:20 AM
Why would he ever not have his hand down kast?
i didn't say that. he just has an intensity and generally shows more attention to getting past his man than fighting him. he can terrorize in the backfield, but there's no doubt he can also sit and there and swallow up the run if need be.

YoungTexanFan
12-29-2006, 11:26 AM
i didn't say that. he just has an intensity and generally shows more attention to getting past his man than fighting him. he can terrorize in the backfield, but there's no doubt he can also sit and there and swallow up the run if need be.

Which is why he is my DT sleeper.

kastofsna
12-29-2006, 11:28 AM
a sleeper? i think he's pretty well known by just about everyone.