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Andrew6
12-26-2006, 05:05 PM
I was watching ESPN and they had mentioned rookies of the year, the only rookies that came were... (and I am sure you already know) were Vince Young and Reggie Bush. Now I don't beleive that either of them have produced enought "THROUGH OUT" the year to be considered for this. Demeco Ryans on the other hand came out swinging. he leads the league in sacks and is an all around damn good player. All I am wanting is other peoples opinions on this rookie of the year.

Homer
12-26-2006, 05:09 PM
I was watching ESPN and they had mentioned rookies of the year, the only rookies that came were... (and I am sure you already know) were Vince Young and Reggie Bush. Now I don't beleive that either of them have produced enought "THROUGH OUT" the year to be considered for this. Demeco Ryans on the other hand came out swinging. he leads the league in sacks and is an all around damn good player. All I am wanting is other peoples opinions on this rookie of the year.

I hope he gets it. My guess is they will give it to VY.

Andrew6
12-26-2006, 05:12 PM
VY has had some good plays this year, but he has had alot of bad ones too. Reggie Bush has been nothing to talk about against good teams. I hear RB ran for 80 yards today and only had 3 fumbles, you can't have a good running game and a mess load of fumbles. you have to be consistantly good, and as far as Rookies go I beleive Demeco has been consistant and done well...

TheCD
12-26-2006, 05:36 PM
I am far from being a VY or RB fan, and I defenitely think that DeMeco deserves at least 2nd place for rookie of the year. But I don't know what you're judging based on rookie of the year. Is it consistent great performance? Then yes, it's hands down our boy. But if you're judging other factors (not sure what they might be), then I think VY at least needs to be in consideration. He's not played well consistenly, but he's certainly won games for them and shown he can be the leader of their team.


I think DeMeco deserves it...but I don't really trust any "MVP" or "of the Year" award...they're based too much on popularity.

eriadoc
12-26-2006, 05:57 PM
As far as offensive rookies go, I think Maurice Jones-Drew deserves ROY. He's consistently produced big plays and steady production in both the running game and receiving game. He has been what Reggie Bush was supposed to be.

Defensively, I don't see how Demeco can lose it, really.

the wonger need food
12-26-2006, 06:44 PM
I think there are 3 Rookie of the Year awards handed out. The NFL (Pepsi) Rookie of the Year always goes to an offensive guy. I believe this one is voted on by the fans.

Then AP has a defensive and offensive RoY award. DeMeco will win on defense. Young will probably take the other 2.

PapaL
12-26-2006, 07:57 PM
I was watching ESPN and they had mentioned rookies of the year, the only rookies that came were... (and I am sure you already know) were Vince Young and Reggie Bush. Now I don't beleive that either of them have produced enought "THROUGH OUT" the year to be considered for this. Demeco Ryans on the other hand came out swinging. he leads the league in sacks and is an all around damn good player. All I am wanting is other peoples opinions on this rookie of the year.

Tackles, not sacks.

jhowie007
12-26-2006, 08:07 PM
I can name three players that should get rookie of the year before Demeco gets it. VY, RB and Colston. I base this off the fact that they have a much more impact to their teams success than Demeco has had. In fact, I would say the only reason that Demeco has been so succesful is because the rest of the line backers have not been doing their job. It is not necessarily always a good thing that you have on linebacker leading the league in tackles and the rest of them are way down the list. I like Demeco and we were lucky to be able to still get him in the second round, but no... he is not rookie of the year.

everardo7206
12-26-2006, 08:10 PM
mm.. since houston is not a very public team. i guess they may go with someone from a team with a better record..

but demeco has proven himself, but i would take someone else like vince young because his impact has been immediate, bush because he is a playmaker, or joseph addai since he has made ppl forget about edgerin james

the wonger need food
12-26-2006, 08:17 PM
I would say the only reason that Demeco has been so succesful is because the rest of the line backers have not been doing their job. It is not necessarily always a good thing that you have on linebacker leading the league in tackles and the rest of them are way down the list.

Quoted for inaccuracy. Greenwood is in the top 30 in tackles.

DeMeco is already one of the best at his position. You can't say the same for the other guys.

PapaL
12-26-2006, 08:17 PM
I can name three players that should get rookie of the year before Demeco gets it. VY, RB and Colston. I base this off the fact that they have a much more impact to their teams success than Demeco has had. In fact, I would say the only reason that Demeco has been so succesful is because the rest of the line backers have not been doing their job. It is not necessarily always a good thing that you have on linebacker leading the league in tackles and the rest of them are way down the list. I like Demeco and we were lucky to be able to still get him in the second round, but no... he is not rookie of the year.

By that same theory the only reason VY has had any success is because Collins is horrible. RB and Colston same thing. Once Horn got hurt, who else did they have to catch the ball? These guys and Demeco all are in the same boat, Rookies who are better then the people on their team. Don't try and knock Demeco with that stance.

jhowie007
12-26-2006, 08:22 PM
By that same theory the only reason VY has had any success is because Collins is horrible. RB and Colston same thing. Once Horn got hurt, who else did they have to catch the ball? These guys and Demeco all are in the same boat, Rookies who are better then the people on their team. Don't try and knock Demeco with that stance.

By no means am i knocking Demeco. Like I was saying... I feel lucky that we were able to get him because he was supposed to go in the first round, but he has not done as much for the Texans as R.B., V.Y., or Colston have done for their teams. Those guys have contributed to their teams maling the playoffs or potentially making the playoffs. Regardless of who sucked so bad and they were forced to play these guys, they are still better rookie of the year candidates for their contributions.

jdog
12-26-2006, 08:22 PM
This has to be one of the toughest ROY competitions ever. Lots of great talent.

samomin
12-26-2006, 08:23 PM
I thought there was an Offensive ROY and Defensive ROY awards handed out by AP. Is there a mixed Rookie award that I am missing?

PapaL
12-26-2006, 08:25 PM
By no means am i knocking Demeco. Like I was saying... I feel lucky that we were able to get him because he was supposed to go in the first round, but he has not done as much for the Texans as R.B., V.Y., or Colston have done for their teams. Those guys have contributed to their teams maling the playoffs or potentially making the playoffs. Regardless of who sucked so bad and they were forced to play these guys, they are still better rookie of the year candidates for their contributions.

VY has been the spark for his team, no arguements there. RB and Colston were not the reason for the Saints turn around. Brees is the real reason there (along with new coaching staff). As much as I would like Demeco to win it, justly so in my eyes; VY will probably walk away with OROY and ROY while Demeco gets DROY.

jhowie007
12-26-2006, 08:30 PM
VY has been the spark for his team, no arguements there. RB and Colston were not the reason for the Saints turn around. Brees is the real reason there (along with new coaching staff). As much as I would like Demeco to win it, justly so in my eyes; VY will probably walk away with OROY and ROY while Demeco gets DROY.



I think we can all agree that this was the best draft the Texans have had so far even though we did not pick who we should have picked. Give Mario some help on the D-Line and I he will improve as well. This team needs a face to go with it though. Adrian Peterson was looking good, but since the Texans decided to beat the Colts, I think Cleveland will get him now.

mexican_texan
12-26-2006, 08:37 PM
I thought there was an Offensive ROY and Defensive ROY awards handed out by AP. Is there a mixed Rookie award that I am missing?
That's what I'm wondering. The AP has a DROY and an OROY.

Hottoddie
12-26-2006, 08:37 PM
In my opinion, it'll probably go to Colston. He's put up All-Pro numbers on a playoff bound team (70 rec. 1,038 yards 8 TD's & 51 1st downs). And, to think that we took David Anderson right before him.

Maurice Jones-Drew is coming on strong, but I don't think he'll get it.

VY could get it, but he hasn't put up good enough numbers & they're still on the outside looking in, as far as the playoffs go.

Bush has had a couple of good games & that's it. No way he wins it.

DeMeco has put up great numbers, but he's on a losing team. He'll get DROY hands down, but I suspect he'll come in 3rd in the ROY race.

Dre_80
12-26-2006, 08:54 PM
i dont even think he gets the defensive rookie of the year award but we will see i guess

Trap_Star
12-26-2006, 09:06 PM
"Devin Hester is defensive rookie of the year bacause he returns kickoffs, returns punts, and plays cornerback"...-Merill Hodge (ESPN) :pigfly:

the wonger need food
12-26-2006, 09:29 PM
"Devin Hester is defensive rookie of the year bacause he returns kickoffs, returns punts, and plays cornerback"...-Merill Hodge (ESPN) :pigfly:

Just when you thought the guy had lost all credibility...

GuerillaBlack
12-26-2006, 09:36 PM
We were dumb enough to pass on Colston and get some no productive player (Anderson).

DocBar
12-26-2006, 09:52 PM
By no means am i knocking Demeco. Like I was saying... I feel lucky that we were able to get him because he was supposed to go in the first round, but he has not done as much for the Texans as R.B., V.Y., or Colston have done for their teams. Those guys have contributed to their teams maling the playoffs or potentially making the playoffs. Regardless of who sucked so bad and they were forced to play these guys, they are still better rookie of the year candidates for their contributions.

Yes, you ARE knocking Demeco, and NO, you Don't understand football 101. In a 4-3 defense the ML SHOULD lead the team in tackles. Where the Texans suck is that they have a bunch of DB's making too many tackles (and not enough INT's)and not enough OLB's and DL-men. Neg Rep coming your way for even mentioning RB and OROY. You should be ashamed of yourself and receive the same torture James Bond did in the remake of Casino Royale. Colston, Jones-Drew and VY are MUCH more deserving, you ESPN highlight reel sychophant.

AtheGreat
12-26-2006, 10:07 PM
We were dumb enough to pass on Colston and get some no productive player (Anderson).

haha, wow, you can bash the texans on other certain draft day decisons, but to say we overlooked some WR from Hofstra that came outta NOWHERE and wrecked. well, thats a new one. stick to saying we dicked up the 1st pick.


as for 'meco. there should be no competition. Hester does nothing but PR/KR. and if that wins the DEFENSIVE roy, then i will start to believe that there IS a conspiricy against the Texans.

eriadoc
12-26-2006, 10:13 PM
Maurice Jones-Drew has 895 rushing yards on 154 carries for a 5.8 yard average. He has 12 rushing TDs. He also has 420 receiving yards on 42 catches, so 10.0 per rec. He has 2 receiving TDs. He has 718 kick return yards (27.6 average) and a kick return TD. He has fumbled once all year.

That's 2033 all-purpose yards and 15 TDs. And he's been scoring those TDs consistently, helping his team all season. Those are the numbers Reggie Bush was supposed to put up, and MJD didn't even start playing right away. And Fred Taylor has 1120 yards this year for a 5.0 YPC and 5 TDs, so MJD has helped open things up for him as well.

Reggie Bush has 545 rushing yards (3.6 YPC) and 5 TDs. He has 729 receiving yards on 86 catches (8.5 YPC) for 2 TDs. He has 216 punt return yards and a TD. He's lost two fumbles.

That's 543 fewer yards, 7 fewer TDs, and 44 more touches on the season for Bush.

MJD deserves ROY far more than Bush, IMO.

bad
12-26-2006, 10:44 PM
Yes, you ARE knocking Demeco, and NO, you Don't understand football 101. In a 4-3 defense the ML SHOULD lead the team in tackles. Where the Texans suck is that they have a bunch of DB's making too many tackles (and not enough INT's)and not enough OLB's and DL-men. Neg Rep coming your way for even mentioning RB and OROY. You should be ashamed of yourself and receive the same torture James Bond did in the remake of Casino Royale. Colston, Jones-Drew and VY are MUCH more deserving, you ESPN highlight reel sychophant.Whoa, easy there doc.

For those of you who haven't seen the film, trust me, this is way out of line. I watched that flick last week and I'm still flinching. :hides:

skillz24
12-26-2006, 11:27 PM
I was watching ESPN and they had mentioned rookies of the year, the only rookies that came were... (and I am sure you already know) were Vince Young and Reggie Bush. Now I don't beleive that either of them have produced enought "THROUGH OUT" the year to be considered for this. Demeco Ryans on the other hand came out swinging. he leads the league in sacks and is an all around damn good player. All I am wanting is other peoples opinions on this rookie of the year.

he is gonna get screwed b/c he plays for us...he has DROY for the entire league locked up.

AggieTexan24
12-27-2006, 12:02 AM
DEMECO IS THE MAN!!
but it has to go to hester on the defensive side of the ball...and if vy takes the titans to the playoffs i believe that unfortunately he should be put ahead of demeco. and wat about jones-drew down in jacksonville? isnt he having a great season to?

tulexan
12-27-2006, 12:09 AM
DEMECO IS THE MAN!!
but it has to go to hester on the defensive side of the ball...and if vy takes the titans to the playoffs i believe that unfortunately he should be put ahead of demeco. and wat about jones-drew down in jacksonville? isnt he having a great season to?

I don't agree. If there was a STROY then Hester would deserve to win that, but what exactly has he done on the defensive side?

Interceptions: 0
Forced Fumbles: 0
Sacks: 0
Tackles: 8

If he wins the DROY award then it will be a travesty.

SAMURAITEXAN
12-27-2006, 12:09 AM
O VS D player. O gets more attention from Media as they are able score. But in my book, you are a great player DeMeco!! I'm hoping he gets at least DROY!!

GO DeMeco!!!

Carr Bombed
12-27-2006, 12:19 AM
Hester is not the DROY of the year, he's a special teamer.

bckey
12-27-2006, 12:30 AM
Maurice Jones-Drew has 895 rushing yards on 154 carries for a 5.8 yard average. He has 12 rushing TDs. He also has 420 receiving yards on 42 catches, so 10.0 per rec. He has 2 receiving TDs. He has 718 kick return yards (27.6 average) and a kick return TD. He has fumbled once all year.

That's 2033 all-purpose yards and 15 TDs. And he's been scoring those TDs consistently, helping his team all season. Those are the numbers Reggie Bush was supposed to put up, and MJD didn't even start playing right away. And Fred Taylor has 1120 yards this year for a 5.0 YPC and 5 TDs, so MJD has helped open things up for him as well.

Reggie Bush has 545 rushing yards (3.6 YPC) and 5 TDs. He has 729 receiving yards on 86 catches (8.5 YPC) for 2 TDs. He has 216 punt return yards and a TD. He's lost two fumbles.


That's 543 fewer yards, 7 fewer TDs, and 44 more touches on the season for Bush.

MJD deserves ROY far more than Bush, IMO.

I been saying this also. MJD deserves oroy way more than Bush. VY and Maurice Colston deserve it more than Bush also. Bush is a media boy. The media will continue to hype Bush to justify all the things they said about him predraft, draft and postdraft.

joedinkle
12-27-2006, 02:23 AM
Don't get me wrong, I love OUR Super Man(Demeco), but I've got 2 words for you...Marques Colston.

whiskeyrbl
12-27-2006, 05:42 AM
I think the voting should go:

Maurice Jones-Drew ROY
Vince Young OROY
DeMeco Ryans DROY

Funny that all considered here are AFC South, expect a tough division for years to come.

wicked_wayz
12-27-2006, 08:21 AM
im hoping for dymeco to win DROY

players that stand in his way are:

mark anderson DE (chicago)
27 tackles, 12 sacks and 4 FF

kamerion wimbley OLB (browns)
59 tackles, 10 sacks and 1 FF

dawan landry SS (ravens)
64 tackles, 3 sacks and 5 int one returned for a TD, 5 pass defensed

aj hawk and ernie sims are also playing well

DROY award is going to be a tough one

Sportsfan
12-27-2006, 09:09 AM
As far as offensive rookies go, I think Maurice Jones-Drew deserves ROY. He's consistently produced big plays and steady production in both the running game and receiving game. He has been what Reggie Bush was supposed to be.

Defensively, I don't see how Demeco can lose it, really.

Ditto to both. MJD is a stud.

Malloy
12-27-2006, 11:00 AM
MJD deserves ROY far more than Bush, IMO.

Bush threw an interception too :)

Hottoddie
12-27-2006, 01:08 PM
im hoping for dymeco to win DROY

players that stand in his way are:

mark anderson DE (chicago)
27 tackles, 12 sacks and 4 FF

kamerion wimbley OLB (browns)
59 tackles, 10 sacks and 1 FF

dawan landry SS (ravens)
64 tackles, 3 sacks and 5 int one returned for a TD, 5 pass defensed

aj hawk and ernie sims are also playing well

DROY award is going to be a tough one

You need to put DeMeco's numbers up as well.

DeMeco Ryans ILB (Houston)

145 tackles, 3.5 sacks, 1 int, 5 PD's, & 1 FF

I'd put these numbers up against any of those other players. It'll be tough, but 145 tackles indicates to me that he's been involved in a lot of plays & had a serious impact on the team.

I think you can eliminate Sims, Hawk, & Landry right off the top. I'd say that Wimbley is his biggest challenger.

Mr teX
12-27-2006, 02:01 PM
Demeco is our boy, but he doesn't deserve Rookie of the year.

Colston
Jones-Drew
Young
Addai
Hester
Bush

You could make a case for all of those guys. The fact of the matter is that Defensive guys rarely get limelight like that unless your season blows everyone else's out of the water. Add in the fact that most of those guys' teams are in the playoffs & that puts further distance between Meco & them.

My pick would be hester, then Addai/Young. Hester has won more than 1 game for them & has half as many touches as all the rest. Talk about big impact? you don't get that much bang for your buck anywhere else in the league.

mexican_texan
12-27-2006, 02:05 PM
Seriously, is there something I'm missing? There's a Defensive Rookie of the Year and Offensive Rookie of the year.

Mr teX
12-27-2006, 02:13 PM
there is, but i myself say Hester should get OROY, Meco has the DROY locked up.

disaacks3
12-27-2006, 02:14 PM
By no means am i knocking Demeco. Like I was saying... I feel lucky that we were able to get him because he was supposed to go in the first round, but he has not done as much for the Texans as R.B., V.Y., or Colston have done for their teams. Those guys have contributed to their teams maling the playoffs or potentially making the playoffs. Regardless of who sucked so bad and they were forced to play these guys, they are still better rookie of the year candidates for their contributions. I see what you're saying, but it's the same argument you hear when talking about Cy-Young / Heisman candidates every year.

Comparison:
DeMeco = Consistently good games throughout a season.

VS.

VY - Spots of brilliance around mediocre to BAD performances, but his team still gets a "W" (As a passer, he's not in the top 1/2 of the league)

Bush - Spots of brilliance around mediocre to BAD performances, but his team still gets a "W" (As a runner, he's not in the top 2/3 of the league)

So, is this award about the best ROOKIE or about the best TEAM (who happens to have a Rookie in their lineup)?

threetoedpete
12-27-2006, 02:17 PM
Maurice Jones-Drew has 895 rushing yards on 154 carries for a 5.8 yard average. He has 12 rushing TDs. He also has 420 receiving yards on 42 catches, so 10.0 per rec. He has 2 receiving TDs. He has 718 kick return yards (27.6 average) and a kick return TD. He has fumbled once all year.

That's 2033 all-purpose yards and 15 TDs. And he's been scoring those TDs consistently, helping his team all season. Those are the numbers Reggie Bush was supposed to put up, and MJD didn't even start playing right away. And Fred Taylor has 1120 yards this year for a 5.0 YPC and 5 TDs, so MJD has helped open things up for him as well.

Reggie Bush has 545 rushing yards (3.6 YPC) and 5 TDs. He has 729 receiving yards on 86 catches (8.5 YPC) for 2 TDs. He has 216 punt return yards and a TD. He's lost two fumbles.

That's 543 fewer yards, 7 fewer TDs, and 44 more touches on the season for Bush.

MJD deserves ROY far more than Bush, IMO.

Agreed: Nice homework. Rep your way.

It also proves...you don't nessesarily have to choose a back in the first round to hit a productive pro back. I dunno you tell me..is there thirty million dollars defference between the two ?

Kaiser Toro
12-27-2006, 04:44 PM
Takeo Spikes just plugged Demeco has his ROY when set up with a VY question and ROY on the NFL Network.