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MarleyFan
05-14-2004, 01:41 AM
Kerry Collins has been in Oakland the last couple of days, maybe nothing but thought I would pass it along!

pittbull
05-14-2004, 08:48 AM
Isn't Oakland close enough to San Fran also. Don't get the hopes too high!

TheOgre
05-14-2004, 11:08 AM
Oakland seems like the perfect fit for Collins. He can caddy for Gannon for a year or two. With the additions on the line, the Raiders will make all of their QB's look good. Give Collins a good line and he can pick apart a defense.

edo783
05-14-2004, 11:10 AM
May indicate Gannon isn't coming along from his injury as well as they would like.

TheOgre
05-14-2004, 12:43 PM
I think it is more indicative of the fact that they do not have an eventual replacement for Gannon. The guy probably had only 1-2 years left in him.

edo783
05-14-2004, 05:42 PM
Ya, I am sure that enters into it also. I would think they would try for a younger QB than Collins though. Isn't he like 29 or so? Certainly brings the experience, but you are then back in the same situation in a couple of years. Of course I have heard that Al Davis doesn't like younger guys, particularly at QB.

TheOgre
05-14-2004, 05:49 PM
The Raiders and Davis have a way of taking a mediocre or over-the-hill player, particularly QB's, and making them look like gold.

dirty steve
05-14-2004, 07:39 PM
Rattay is out for a substantial amount of time--might he be a suitable short term replacement?

Fiddy
05-14-2004, 09:07 PM
Rattay is out for a substantial amount of time--might he be a suitable short term replacement?Ken Dorsey is the replacement for Rattay. All Canes are winners.

beerlover
05-15-2004, 10:03 AM
with or without Collins the black & silver are a much better team than 4-12 I'll bet beer on that. As a matter of fact it was brilliant move to tank after the Superbowl embarrasment now they have both Saap & Robert Gallery. I've seen some clips of Gallery in mini-camp moving smaller, weaker lineman around like rag dolls lol. :twocents:

Fiddy
05-15-2004, 10:50 AM
No one will be able to run on the Raiders, IDK about the passing defense though.

texans
05-15-2004, 02:09 PM
their good their too. They have two of the best DB in the league Charilers and rod woodson. :soldier:

STEEL BLUE TEXANS
05-23-2004, 01:19 PM
Gannon will likely be cut now. I wonder if Jon Gruden will want to reunite with him?

Carr Bombed
05-23-2004, 04:49 PM
Wow! that leaves two former MVPs out of work and looking for a job has this ever happened before.

HoustonTexansAreTheBest
05-23-2004, 05:52 PM
Do you really believe Gannon will be dropped. I highly doubt it. Gannon will either play and collins back up or he'll back up collins.

STEEL BLUE TEXANS
05-23-2004, 06:10 PM
Do you really believe Gannon will be dropped. I highly doubt it. Gannon will either play and collins back up or he'll back up collins.



yes i do think he will be cut, for financial reasons of course. if gannon refuses to take a pay cut they wont have much of a choice but to cut him.

keyfro
05-23-2004, 08:07 PM
you this is a what have you done for me lately league...gannon last year was just horrible his first few games...he couldn't really blame the line cause he had the same line the previous season...they all just looked old and tired...now though their o-line is younger but more inexperienced...wonder how this is going to play out for them

J-Man
05-24-2004, 04:28 PM
Gannon won't drop his salary (much like Collins wouldn't)...he has said as much. He's 37 and Collins is not even 30 yet...still wet behind the ears as far as Al Davis is concerned.

Collins will sign and I think he will thrive their for a few seasons...he will have a solid line to protect him and he is as good as anyone in the NFL at the vertical passing game.

Gannon will won't be on the market long. Gruden will snap him up and Tampa will be his sunset gig for let's say about 2 seasons then he's playing shuffle board for a living.

Blake
05-24-2004, 06:47 PM
Collins goes black.

Collins a Raider (http://www.nfl.com/teams/story/OAK/7355476)

scourge
05-24-2004, 07:01 PM
Gannon won't drop his salary (much like Collins wouldn't)...he has said as much. He's 37 and Collins is not even 30 yet...still wet behind the ears as far as Al Davis is concerned.

Actually, Gannon is 38 and Collins is 31...

STEEL BLUE TEXANS
05-24-2004, 07:06 PM
i think Gruden will reunite with Gannon, and Brad Johnson will be cut ending up with Baltimore.

J-Man
05-24-2004, 09:58 PM
Actually, Gannon is 38 and Collins is 31...

Ok...then 1 year before Gannon starts hustling other retirees at shuffle board and that would make Collins only slightly damp behind the ears in the Raiders eys. :fight:

Hervoyel
05-25-2004, 12:43 PM
Collins has a better pedigree than Plunkett had when he went to Oakland. Of course he also has more baggage but then that's par for the course for a Raider player.

IMO this was a real good move for the Raiders. Time will tell though.

beerlover
05-25-2004, 01:44 PM
Collins has a better pedigree than Plunkett had when he went to Oakland. Of course he also has more baggage but then that's par for the course for a Raider player.

IMO this was a real good move for the Raiders. Time will tell though.

Better pedigree than Plunkett? On what basis do you make that statement? I could be wrong but I seem to remember Plunkett winning the Heisman & selected #1 overall in the draft. He was forced into a bad team, like Eli Manning this year, seemed finished then Al Davis re-vitalialized him in Oakland where he won a Superbowl.

MarleyFan
05-25-2004, 09:20 PM
He won two Super Bowls! One S.B MVP.

Hervoyel
05-25-2004, 11:14 PM
Better pedigree than Plunkett? On what basis do you make that statement? I could be wrong but I seem to remember Plunkett winning the Heisman & selected #1 overall in the draft. He was forced into a bad team, like Eli Manning this year, seemed finished then Al Davis re-vitalialized him in Oakland where he won a Superbowl.

Simple. I base this on the fact that when Plunkett arrived in Oakland he'd accomplished almost absolutely nothing on the professional level. The year after he came to the Raiders Dan Pastorini was going to be their starting QB. Plunkett was going to back him up. The Raiders traded for Pastorini so clearly they didn't think he was going to break loose late in his career.

Dan broke his leg and the rest was history. Prior to his success with the Raiders though Plunkett hadn't been successful since his college days (which you accurately make mention of). He never played on a New England team that finished better than .500 and only finished at .500 once. In San Francisco he led them to one winning season and then it was back to losing. He came to Oakland looking like a bust.

Collins comes to Oakland having had success in the NFL. He led the Giants to the Super Bowl and the Panthers to an NFC championship game. Has he been an elite QB? Of course not but he's had success. His off the field problems messed his career up right square in the middle of it but he's turned it around and proven that he can win.

Maybe that should have read "better NFL pedigree" than Plunkett though.

beerlover
05-25-2004, 11:39 PM
The thing that was so impressive about Plunkett was he threw the ball downfield so softly, like a pillow with remarkable touch & accuracy. Not especially mobile except when he had to as exlemplfied in the Superbowl. Traits that Collins has never exhibited.

We'll have to see how the team responds to Collins, I would think Gannon would be the popular choice. But both should look very good with that revamped offensive line led by Robert Gallery. He happened into a very good situation in Oakland, out of the NY, good luck ELI :soldier: