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htownfoozball
12-25-2006, 12:37 AM
We could really use an upgrade at both CB and FS. Who has been worse this year though? Faggins or Brown? And which DB will help us out the most?

Only CB's who I think we should be looking at in the 1st round
Hall
Revis

Hall reminds me a little of Dunta. May not be as quick or as fast, but neither are pure cover guys but both can do a little bit of everything against the pass and the run.

Revis is a bigger corner that could match up with taller receivers so Dunta won't be so overmatched. Higher ceiling than Hall because he's bigger and faster, but may not be as polished as Hall because of his lack of experience.

Only Free Safeties we should be looking at in the 1st round
Landry
Nelson

Landry is a very good all around safety. Kinda like Hall in that he does everything well, but not one thing great that makes him stand out above the rest.

Nelson is not as polished as Landry in all phases, but one thing that he is better than Landry in is his cover skills. A real ballhawk who can go after the ball. May not be a big factor in the running game though. Plays a little reckless at times which may lead to giving up the big play and future durability issues due to his small frame.

I like both safeties better than the corners, but others may disagree. So the question is, do we play it safe, and take Landry, or look for the big playmaker in Nelson? My opinion? Take Landry and don't worry. Also being from Louisiana should help our fanbase, especially after whiffing on VY and Bush.

Ole Miss Texan
12-25-2006, 01:00 AM
say we do take landry or nelson with our 1st. Out of Leon Hall, Darell REvis, antoine cason, marcus mccauley, damien hughes...any other cb's yall can think of that are "1st guys"? Do you see any of them falling to us in the 2nd round? I have seen a few mocks with mccauley falling and one with damion hughes. who could potentially fall to us? if we do pick landry/nelson...that'd be great if a cb fell to us that ended up being this years demeco ryans..

i am being too redundant.

AtheGreat
12-25-2006, 01:01 AM
Only Free Safeties we should be looking at in the 1st round
Landry
Nelson

Landry is a very good all around safety. Kinda like Hall in that he does everything well, but not one thing great that makes him stand out above the rest.


I like both safeties better than the corners, but others may disagree. So the question is, do we play it safe, and take Landry, or look for the big playmaker in Nelson? My opinion? Take Landry and don't worry. Also being from Louisiana should help our fanbase, especially after whiffing on VY and Bush.


the more videos i watch of landry, the more i want him in deep steel blue. he seems to be able to keep hold his own deep, and next play, blitz the qb (like kubes has been doing 3-4 times a game w/ earl). landry and earl could be quite a nasty duo.

htownfoozball
12-25-2006, 01:07 AM
Hughes doesnt have the speed or the skills to be a cover guy. He's very good in zone, but not as a cover guy. he's gonna run in the mid 4.5's and his stock will drop to the mid 2nd.

mccauley is athletic as they come, but he doesnt have the instincts to play. He had a terrible season and was burnt a few times.

cason is good, but not top of the 1st round good. he's unpolished and didnt have a great season.

one CB i'm high on is Aaron Ross. i wouldnt mind taking him in the 2nd round. a big hitter and plays the run and the pass well.

YoungTexanFan
12-25-2006, 07:53 PM
Hughes doesnt have the speed or the skills to be a cover guy. He's very good in zone, but not as a cover guy. he's gonna run in the mid 4.5's and his stock will drop to the mid 2nd.

mccauley is athletic as they come, but he doesnt have the instincts to play. He had a terrible season and was burnt a few times.

cason is good, but not top of the 1st round good. he's unpolished and didnt have a great season.

one CB i'm high on is Aaron Ross. i wouldnt mind taking him in the 2nd round. a big hitter and plays the run and the pass well.

McCauley did have a piss poor year when you watched him, but scouts still seem to believe he has NFL CB written on him. I'm holding out judgement until I review a lot of tape. Last year they threw at Richard Marshell who went 2nd round and avoided McCauley. He will have a great combine though.

Cason and Revis are the only 2 CB's from the draft I would spend a high pick on. Hall is not that close to Daunta. Daunta is really thin and throws his body around willingly in run support. He is a vocal leader and I see none of that from Hall. He isn't that fast, and he doesn't have great hips. He will be a solid CB, but I wouldn't spend a top 20 on him, but that may just be me.

Hughes doesn't seem to have the top end speed like you suggested, but he has consistantly made plays for 2 years in a very pass happy conference. His instincts are beyond anyone's in this draft. He closes quickly and is one of the few draft eligable CB's who is able to turn and run and then turn his head and actually find the ball before the WR catches it. He is the best CB when the ball is in the air in the draft, bar none.

I was a big Ross supporter early in the year. After watching his game more closely, I am not a big supporter at all. He does have good speed, but his ability to parlay them onto the field is not there. He gets shoved around easily and doesn't even seem to want to make a play until after the ball is caught. He is extremely overhyped and not worth a 2nd.

Nelson is a big play guy who can support the run extremely well. I think he is much closer to Daunta's ability than Hall. Nelson will take his wirey frame and lay your arse out over the middle. There was a clip floating around where the WR dove to the ground, missing the ball, in order to not be laid out by Nelson. He is even better however, in coverage. He is the top FS in the draft and should go ahead of Landry IMO.

Smokedawg
12-25-2006, 08:04 PM
Im not a big fan of Hall. After watching the OSU vs Mich. game, Hall looked horrible. i havent seen any of his other games, but the Ball St and Vanderbilt games in which Mich. looked bad.

Sarg01
12-25-2006, 08:11 PM
CB or FS in the 1st?

CB hands down. I don't deny that our FS play is probably more substandard than our #2 CB play, but three points to make there:

1) CB is a more premium position. All else being equal, a CB will get the nod before a S for all teams. This makes them harder to get through any method but drafting them. It also means FS tends to be drafted lower, making it more likely a "starter-caliber" talent will be around in the 3rd-4th round. Look at Ko Simpson and Pat Watkins going last year in the 4th and 5th.

2) The CB class is not strong this year. After the first five to six guys, there's not really anyone who will perform better than Faggins over the next two years. Conversely, the FS class is kick-butt this year. Consider: LaRon Landry, Eric Waddle, Michael Griffin, Tom Zbikowski, Brandon Meriweather, Aaron Rouse ... with so many 1st round talents on the board at the position, there might well be a 1st round talent available in the 3rd.

3) Any rookie with good coverage skills can at least replace CCBrown's coverage production. Sure, he'll make a lot of mistakes on fakeouts and stuff but, well ... so does CC Brown. On the other hand, it'd take a strong rookie performance to equal Faggins output - he doesn't make a lot of mistakes, he just doesn't have the physical stuff to cover the Harrisons and Evans' - not many do, which is exactly why a premier CB is vital.

beerlover
12-25-2006, 09:53 PM
if there is a CB thats rated as the bpa when the Texans select then a CB would be :ok: but as of right now that would be a reach & therefore not taking bpa :shades:

YoungTexanFan
12-25-2006, 10:15 PM
1) CB is a more premium position. All else being equal, a CB will get the nod before a S for all teams. This makes them harder to get through any method but drafting them. It also means FS tends to be drafted lower, making it more likely a "starter-caliber" talent will be around in the 3rd-4th round. Look at Ko Simpson and Pat Watkins going last year in the 4th and 5th.

Signed,
Sean Taylor

2) The CB class is not strong this year. After the first five to six guys, there's not really anyone who will perform better than Faggins over the next two years. Conversely, the FS class is kick-butt this year. Consider: LaRon Landry, Eric Waddle, Michael Griffin, Tom Zbikowski, Brandon Meriweather, Aaron Rouse ... with so many 1st round talents on the board at the position, there might well be a 1st round talent available in the 3rd. This CB class is one of the strongest in recent memory. Revis, Cason, Hall, McCauley, Hughes, Ross, Brown, Irons. This is an extremely strong class for CB's, especially 1st round. The FS class on the other hand is extremely weak in terms of talent. Landry, Nelson, and Merriwether round out the FS's worth drafting first day. The other guys you listed are all SS's and can do no better than Earl at this point. Weddel is the only canidate you listed that MAY be able to play FS, but that is a stretch.

3) Any rookie with good coverage skills can at least replace CCBrown's coverage production. Sure, he'll make a lot of mistakes on fakeouts and stuff but, well ... so does CC Brown. On the other hand, it'd take a strong rookie performance to equal Faggins output - he doesn't make a lot of mistakes, he just doesn't have the physical stuff to cover the Harrisons and Evans' - not many do, which is exactly why a premier CB is vital.

Faggins is trash, and I have said that for years. I would love to see him on the colts any other division team. However, the reasons you listed for drafting CB over FS in THIS draft prove indeed to be faulty. CB is much deeper and more talented at the top than the 2 FS's worth drafting early.




comments on bolded red.

htownfoozball
12-25-2006, 10:22 PM
i really dont think the CB class is all that strong. deep, yes, but the talent level is not all that great. landry and nelson are both better than the top rated CB's as far as talent goes. landry and nelson are pretty much sure things, while all the CB's come with questions.

YoungTexanFan
12-25-2006, 10:29 PM
i really dont think the CB class is all that strong. deep, yes, but the talent level is not all that great. landry and nelson are both better than the top rated CB's as far as talent goes. landry and nelson are pretty much sure things, while all the CB's come with questions.

I wouldn't call any prospect a sure thing, especially putting them into our losing enviornment. However, I feel that Revis and Cason offer just as much talent as Nelson/Landry, but then you get to guys like Hall, Hughes, McCauley, Irons...and at FS you get to guys like Aaron Rouse or Eric Weddle.

Nelson has plenty of questions, like where the heck was he before this year. Landy has been consistent, but so has Hughes and Hall. The argument can be made for either side at this point, but we fans will have to wait until after FA to see which side proves to be a more pressing issue as we enter next year.

beerlover
12-25-2006, 10:34 PM
the big bowl games will have a lot to say about that, who, what & where :)

the only thing I would ask the posters here to remember is the game tape & not get over concerned with combine numbers, pro days or private workouts other than if V is interested in Y try & forget the X factor :pigfly:

Texian
12-25-2006, 11:05 PM
You will know more about CBs after the Combine. Many of today's top 10 could drop at least a round if they turn in 4.5+ 40. Projected 2nd and 3rd Rd CBs could move up if they run a 4.4 or less.

htownfoozball
12-26-2006, 12:18 AM
I wouldn't call any prospect a sure thing, especially putting them into our losing enviornment. However, I feel that Revis and Cason offer just as much talent as Nelson/Landry, but then you get to guys like Hall, Hughes, McCauley, Irons...and at FS you get to guys like Aaron Rouse or Eric Weddle.

Nelson has plenty of questions, like where the heck was he before this year. Landy has been consistent, but so has Hughes and Hall. The argument can be made for either side at this point, but we fans will have to wait until after FA to see which side proves to be a more pressing issue as we enter next year.

yea i kinda worded that badly. nelson was at a juco before because he couldnt attend florida because he failed to qualify out of highschool academically. hughes has been very good, but we need a guy that can cover man to man and most people feel that he is limited to the defensive schemes that he will fit into. i like hall, just not top 10. cason is good, he might have the highest ceiling of all the corners, but he's still raw and undersized, and the last thing we need is another undersized corner that we have to wait on to develop. landry and nelson are the most ready to play now, and if we follow our draft philosophy of last year, landry is the guy.

painekiller
12-26-2006, 01:26 PM
Some of you guys are a little young to remember how big a difference Ronnie Lott made to the 49ers and Raiders. Safeties like that have been making the CBs and LBs look better for years.

In the games I watched Landry play he reminded of a Ronnie Lott type player.

If the trend hold true and we end up with the 6-8th pick, I can see Branch maybe still there, next Landry, then Posluszny, are my guys.

Any way you slice it, we get a stud.

I am not discounting CB, I am just waiting until we have the 40 times to start ranking them.

Texian
12-26-2006, 01:44 PM
Round 1 = Laron Landry
Round 2 = Antoine Cason
Round 3 = Kyle Shotwell

I don't think I have ever been this on this early:yahoo:

edo783
12-26-2006, 02:36 PM
I suspect that CB will be filled via FA, so if we are picking in the 6-9 range, Landy should be a solid pick in that range.

Vinny
12-26-2006, 02:39 PM
We are likely in a position to draft the best CB in this draft class....that's what I'd like to see us do. If these guys are serious about building a strong defensive unit then Faggins must be moved back to nickel back and we need a cb1 and put Dunta back at cb2

Vinny
12-26-2006, 02:42 PM
Some of you guys are a little young to remember how big a difference Ronnie Lott made to the 49ers and Raiders. Safeties like that have been making the CBs and LBs look better for years.

In the games I watched Landry play he reminded of a Ronnie Lott type player.

If the trend hold true and we end up with the 6-8th pick, I can see Branch maybe still there, next Landry, then Posluszny, are my guys.

Any way you slice it, we get a stud.

I am not discounting CB, I am just waiting until we have the 40 times to start ranking them.Ronnie Lott was the 9ers starting CB when he was drafted 8th overall. He was second to Lawrence Taylor in the rookie of the year voting that year as a CB. He didn't move to S for 3-4 years.

beerlover
12-26-2006, 02:53 PM
We are likely in a position to draft the best CB in this draft class....that's what I'd like to see us do. If these guys are serious about building a strong defensive unit then Faggins must be moved back to nickel back and we need a cb1 and put Dunta back at cb2

just curious who your front runner for best CB coming out this draft would be? I've currently checked off Leon Hall as the #1 prospect @ his position, mostly because he is technically sound with excellent man to man cover skills. although I realize there are probably several bigger, more physical & faster corners out there....

Mr teX
12-26-2006, 02:54 PM
I'd like to see us get a coverage FS just b/c we've got to get a decent one with speed & instincts. CC has got to go in my book period & if he weren't a starter, our secondary would improve by leaps & bounds. Also i'm with the poster who posted in red, this draft is deep with CB's all of which would be an upgrade over Faggins + we have FA with Nate Clements & Asante Samuel dangling out there. In other words, the odds are in our favor with CB & there's no need to waste a 1st round draft pick on a CB, when one mostly likely will be available for us later in the draft.

I'd like to see us get Landry in the 1st if he's there. & then go for a CB in the 3rd-4th if 1 of the guys you'all mentioned is still there. I am high on Daymeion Hughes because he's been solid for 2 years & like someone else said, he plays the ball well in the air, a tremendous quality for DB's to have in my book, ask champ, & Mathis.

whiskeyrbl
12-26-2006, 03:59 PM
In the first I'd like to see Hall or Landry. If not I would go after Pusluszny at OLB.

Vinny
12-26-2006, 04:04 PM
just curious who your front runner for best CB coming out this draft would be? I've currently checked off Leon Hall as the #1 prospect @ his position, mostly because he is technically sound with excellent man to man cover skills. although I realize there are probably several bigger, more physical & faster corners out there....Hall is probably the safest pick but I really like Darrelle Revis also (if he comes out) since he is an elite return man as well. He has a bit of attitude (we could use more imo) and has scored several times the last few years on picks and punt returns...probably doesn't have as high as floor as Hall does. The Fresno St kid is said to be impressive also but I haven't seen him play much so I can't really give an opinion on him.

Texian
12-26-2006, 04:55 PM
I think the best CB when is all tested and graded maybe Antoine Cason. It does appear he is getting ready to announce he is coming out. Hughes played well and could also be a top CB.

YoungTexanFan
12-26-2006, 06:54 PM
I'd like to see us get a coverage FS just b/c we've got to get a decent one with speed & instincts. CC has got to go in my book period & if he weren't a starter, our secondary would improve by leaps & bounds. Also i'm with the poster who posted in red, this draft is deep with CB's all of which would be an upgrade over Faggins + we have FA with Nate Clements & Asante Samuel dangling out there. In other words, the odds are in our favor with CB & there's no need to waste a 1st round draft pick on a CB, when one mostly likely will be available for us later in the draft.

I'd like to see us get Landry in the 1st if he's there. & then go for a CB in the 3rd-4th if 1 of the guys you'all mentioned is still there. I am high on Daymeion Hughes because he's been solid for 2 years & like someone else said, he plays the ball well in the air, a tremendous quality for DB's to have in my book, ask champ, & Mathis.


I posted the stuff in red, and I also was the poster who pointed out Hughes' consistency. Thank you for my props.

YoungTexanFan
12-26-2006, 06:59 PM
just curious who your front runner for best CB coming out this draft would be? I've currently checked off Leon Hall as the #1 prospect @ his position, mostly because he is technically sound with excellent man to man cover skills. although I realize there are probably several bigger, more physical & faster corners out there....

I have Hall as my #3 CB right now on my big board.

I have Revis as my #1. He is the best M/M coverage CB in the draft period. He has GREAT speed and instincts. He has very good size for a CB and is something like 6'1 197 w/4.4 or below speed.

I have Antoine Cason as my #2 CB. He is a physical freak. Very close physically to Cromatire from FSU last year. Top speed and quick, fluid hips. He isn't undersized like someone else posted. I feel that if both Revis and Cason declare (both underclassmen) that they will battle it out for top CB, and Hall will go where he deserves which is around 20. He is good, but is pretty much peaked out IMO. I don't see him improving much, but he has the best technique of any CB in the draft.

Like Vinny said, Revis doubles as a PR man and is danged good at it. He also has a bit of swagger and most studly Pitt players seem to come out early and complain about the coaching there. I would love to draft Revis for us.

edo783
12-26-2006, 07:45 PM
I just don't see us getting a CB in the 1st. Not that I'm against it, I just don't think they will pair DRob with a rookie. I think they will go after Clements big and if they miss Samuals. Now if they don't snag either one, then I think they could go CB, but I really think they will try and solve that area with a much more secure way with a young veteran and solve the FS issue in the draft. It will be interesting to watch what they do either way.

threetoedpete
12-26-2006, 10:19 PM
say we do take landry or nelson with our 1st. Out of Leon Hall, Darell REvis, antoine cason, marcus mccauley, damien hughes...any other cb's yall can think of that are "1st guys"? Do you see any of them falling to us in the 2nd round? I have seen a few mocks with mccauley falling and one with damion hughes. who could potentially fall to us? if we do pick landry/nelson...that'd be great if a cb fell to us that ended up being this years demeco ryans..

i am being too redundant.

We're thinking alike there again Ole Miss. Add the San Jose St. guy to my second round wish list. A "Big corner" who translates to FS....is more to my liking than Leron. The big corner has the cance to put Petie back at Nickle. Also frees up the one for an impact D lineman. ....
Or take the DT, LB and let the corner/FS prospect fall to us at the two.

threetoedpete
12-26-2006, 10:24 PM
I just don't see us getting a CB in the 1st. Not that I'm against it, I just don't think they will pair DRob with a rookie. I think they will go after Clements big and if they miss Samuals. Now if they don't snag either one, then I think they could go CB, but I really think they will try and solve that area with a much more secure way with a young veteran and solve the FS issue in the draft. It will be interesting to watch what they do either way.

Yeah what he said. :thumbup

Note to self....read the thread all the way through befor you post.
Agreed EDO. Sorry about that.
:perfect10:

Think Spencer's recovery progress by April will have a lot to do with what they do in the first.

threetoedpete
12-26-2006, 10:44 PM
Some of you guys are a little young to remember how big a difference Ronnie Lott made to the 49ers and Raiders. Safeties like that have been making the CBs and LBs look better for years.

In the games I watched Landry play he reminded of a Ronnie Lott type player.
If the trend hold true and we end up with the 6-8th pick, I can see Branch maybe still there, next Landry, then Posluszny, are my guys.

Any way you slice it, we get a stud.

I am not discounting CB, I am just waiting until we have the 40 times to start ranking them.

I've only seen him one game....and I didn't see Mr. Lot. Or ...for that matter, Sean Taylor. You see "Stud". I see a guy who is one check away from being ordanary. I got danger Will Robinson all over the guy.

Who ever the previous poster was that said it porps and I'm with you ...It IS a deep class. But we'll see at the combine what they run. They, the CB's will go higher because of the premium on them. But just like Revis...there is enough of Phillip Buchanan parrelles to be concerned.


Agreed beerlover. the numbers aren't the only thing. But they are a big thing. Guy can't run, he can't run. Guy can't lift his wieght...I don't care what kind of all american game he has...he can't play. For every one David Pollack who does over come the bad numbers (short arms), there's a hundred who don't.
Duck with mango salza is on the right side for a reason.

threetoedpete
12-26-2006, 10:49 PM
Ronnie Lott was the 9ers starting CB when he was drafted 8th overall. He was second to Lawrence Taylor in the rookie of the year voting that year as a CB. He didn't move to S for 3-4 years.

Thank you Vinny.

threetoedpete
12-26-2006, 10:52 PM
Hall is probably the safest pick but I really like Darrelle Revis also (if he comes out) since he is an elite return man as well. He has a bit of attitude (we could use more imo) and has scored several times the last few years on picks and punt returns...probably doesn't have as high as floor as Hall does. The Fresno St kid is said to be impressive also but I haven't seen him play much so I can't really give an opinion on him.

McCauly looked pretty bad when I watched him against the Lousiana team. Been a few Months ago and can't remeber the opponet. La Tech , SWLaffette St..maybe it was a bad plane ride.

bad
12-26-2006, 11:38 PM
McCauly looked pretty bad when I watched him against the Lousiana team. Been a few Months ago and can't remeber the opponet. La Tech , SWLaffette St..maybe it was a bad plane ride.McCauley looked pretty bad the entire year as did every senior on that Fresno State team. Don't know if was "senioritis" or if they were reading their own press clippings. Maybe they never got over that loss to USC last year. All I know is a guy that fast shouldn't be getting burnt as often as he did last year.

Still, once McCauley posts the numbers I think he will at the combine he'll likely go in the first round but won't be a value at our spot. A problem he has is that he likes to gamble a la Deion Sanders and count on his speed to close in on the ball. That's easier to do in the WAC than in the NFL.

Personally I'd rather have their center or even their tailback before I'd want McCauley, draft a safety or Big Ugly in the first round and get a veteran CB via FA.

:hmmm:

Mr teX
12-27-2006, 08:40 AM
McCauley looked pretty bad the entire year as did every senior on that Fresno State team. Don't know if was "senioritis" or if they were reading their own press clippings. Maybe they never got over that loss to USC last year. All I know is a guy that fast shouldn't be getting burnt as often as he did last year.

Still, once McCauley posts the numbers I think he will at the combine he'll likely go in the first round but won't be a value at our spot. A problem he has is that he likes to gamble a la Deion Sanders and count on his speed to close in on the ball. That's easier to do in the WAC than in the NFL.

Personally I'd rather have their center or even their tailback before I'd want McCauley, draft a safety or Big Ugly in the first round and get a veteran CB via FA.

:hmmm:

I think everyone is pretty much on board with getting secondary help, but i think the direction we go in just a matter of a difference of opinion.

On a side note, i was listening to John & Lance this morning & Granado said that John McClain said that his source(s) inside the Texans Organization say they aren't taking a defensive player in the 1st round. Now I've discounted everything McClain has said since he flipped his lock pick of RB last year at the last moment when he found out that we were taking MW, but i just wanted to throw that out there. What do you guys think?

Kaiser Toro
12-27-2006, 08:58 AM
I think everyone is pretty much on board with getting secondary help, but i think the direction we go in just a matter of a difference of opinion.

On a side note, i was listening to John & Lance this morning & Granado said that John McClain said that his source(s) inside the Texans Organization say they aren't taking a defensive player in the 1st round. Now I've discounted everything McClain has said since he flipped his lock pick of RB last year at the last moment when he found out that we were taking MW, but i just wanted to throw that out there. What do you guys think?

If the pick is not Joe Thomas or Adrian Peterson it must be a Secondary player. However, there are many decisions to be made that effect how our acquisitions will occur, such as Carr, McKinney, Davis, Flanagan and K Brown.

beerlover
12-27-2006, 09:13 AM
John McClain said that his source(s) inside the Texans Organization say they aren't taking a defensive player in the 1st round.

would this be the classic need to give Carr Weapons Theory? I hope this last game dispells that myth, if not they close out the season and crush the Browns for emphasis. Chris Taylor has the speed thats been missing, Dayne is the smash mouth run the clock power back, Lundy is the change of pass receiving, blocking back in the passing attack & Vonta Leach is a powerful devastating lead blocker in the hole with some offensive capability of his own.

David Carr does not need either a RB, WR or TE in the 1st rd in the upcoming draft. would like to add a big ugly to the O-Line but Joe Thomas will not be available & you can't force a need onto the draft just to say you address the tackle position, maybe another free agent would be the ticket. Bottom line this is a deep draft defensively, to structure the draft around Carr at this point is a day late & dollar short.

Mr teX
12-27-2006, 09:25 AM
would this be the classic need to give Carr Weapons Theory? I hope this last game dispells that myth, if not they close out the season and crush the Browns for emphasis. Chris Taylor has the speed thats been missing, Dayne is the smash mouth run the clock power back, Lundy is the change of pass receiving, blocking back in the passing attack & Vonta Leach is a powerful devastating lead blocker in the hole with some offensive capability of his own.

David Carr does not need either a RB, WR or TE in the 1st rd in the upcoming draft. would like to add a big ugly to the O-Line but Joe Thomas will not be available & you can't force a need onto the draft just to say you address the tackle position, maybe another free agent would be the ticket. Bottom line this is a deep draft defensively, to structure the draft around Carr at this point is a day late & dollar short.

hey, i agree with you, If we can't get the offensive guys that we really want, continue to build the defense since this is a deep defensive draft. there could be potential defensive contributors for us still available as late as the 3rd round.

threetoedpete
12-27-2006, 11:41 AM
would this be the classic need to give Carr Weapons Theory? I hope this last game dispells that myth, if not they close out the season and crush the Browns for emphasis. Chris Taylor has the speed thats been missing, Dayne is the smash mouth run the clock power back, Lundy is the change of pass receiving, blocking back in the passing attack & Vonta Leach is a powerful devastating lead blocker in the hole with some offensive capability of his own.

David Carr does not need either a RB, WR or TE in the 1st rd in the upcoming draft. would like to add a big ugly to the O-Line but Joe Thomas will not be available & you can't force a need onto the draft just to say you address the tackle position, maybe another free agent would be the ticket. Bottom line this is a deep draft defensively, to structure the draft around Carr at this point is a day late & dollar short.


Not advocating this in any way although it fits my agenda...If Davis holds his course and doesn't want the QB...and the price is right under 2800 points, why not an offensive palyer who is not a skilled positon player ? Again , not advocating. Like you said..after the last game...JT is plug and play isn't he ?

YoungTexanFan
12-27-2006, 11:29 PM
a few videos of the best DB in the draft.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kCSrwKrhbIQ&eurl=

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Bw6dpRFliA

Darrele Revis.

nuff said.

Ole Miss Texan
12-28-2006, 12:34 AM
a few videos of the best DB in the draft.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kCSrwKrhbIQ&eurl=

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Bw6dpRFliA

Darrele Revis.

nuff said.

You gotta love that spin at the 5 yard line. He's a gamer.

SLO Texan
12-28-2006, 01:22 AM
I just don't see us getting a CB in the 1st. Not that I'm against it, I just don't think they will pair DRob with a rookie. I think they will go after Clements big and if they miss Samuals. Now if they don't snag either one, then I think they could go CB, but I really think they will try and solve that area with a much more secure way with a young veteran and solve the FS issue in the draft. It will be interesting to watch what they do either way.

Word!!!

I think we should go FS/Trade Down with our first pick. Then go hard after Clemmens.

Say we get Landry/Nelson in the 1st and then B.Davis/R.Alexander in the 2nd...that would be one physical, smash-mouth Defense right there!!!

That would make our secondary CB:Clemmens, D-Rob, Faggins.........FS:Landry/Nelson................SS:Earl
WLB:Greenwood....MLB:Meco...........SLB: Davis/Alexander
LDE:Williams.....DT:T.J. & Weaver...........RDE:Babin/Peek(I believe)

That could turn into a Raven-esque Defense that would be together for years to come!!!!:drool:

We build up that D this year again and trust Kubes to find RB/OL talent in the 3rd-6th rounds like we did last year and has been done for years in Denver.

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