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joedinkle
12-23-2006, 03:42 PM
While this was obviously not working towards the beginning of the season, and while it would be pointless to start doing it again now(end of the season, and the bad foot), this is something I wouldn't mind seeing more often next season. He's more expereinced now. He has a lot more snaps under him. Babin hasn't been doing to bad at DE either. I wouldn't mind seeing Peek TJ Mario Babin every now and then. Opposing offenses ARE game planning for Mario. Wouldn't things be more difficult if they had no idea where he was going to play? All this being said, I have very little football knowledge, am bored, and just kicking around ideas. Thoughts?

hot pickle
12-23-2006, 03:52 PM
While this was obviously not working towards the beginning of the season, and while it would be pointless to start doing it again now(end of the season, and the bad foot), this is something I wouldn't mind seeing more often next season. He's more expereinced now. He has a lot more snaps under him. Babin hasn't been doing to bad at DE either. I wouldn't mind seeing Peek TJ Mario Babin every now and then. Opposing offenses ARE game planning for Mario. Wouldn't things be more difficult if they had no idea where he was going to play? All this being said, I have very little football knowledge, am bored, and just kicking around ideas. Thoughts?

i think they tried that at the begining of the season and it wasnt workin out

threetoedpete
12-23-2006, 03:57 PM
While this was obviously not working towards the beginning of the season, and while it would be pointless to start doing it again now(end of the season, and the bad foot), this is something I wouldn't mind seeing more often next season. He's more expereinced now. He has a lot more snaps under him. Babin hasn't been doing to bad at DE either. I wouldn't mind seeing Peek TJ Mario Babin every now and then. Opposing offenses ARE game planning for Mario. Wouldn't things be more difficult if they had no idea where he was going to play? All this being said, I have very little football knowledge, am bored, and just kicking around ideas. Thoughts?

Well you're certainly in the correct place Ollie. You're agurment has me thinking they'll take the pressure off of Mario by placing the wide body from Big Blue next to him.

Mario...Branch...Warm body...Weaver. Third and long bring in either Peak or Babs off the bench move Weaver inside. Keep 'em coming...you're just as correct as the rest of us.

Andrew6
12-23-2006, 04:04 PM
why not just put david carr in at de and be done with, if he gets hurt then cool if he makes a play then cool we in both ways

kiwitexansfan
12-23-2006, 05:12 PM
i think they tried that at the begining of the season and it wasnt workin out

Joedinkle might be right about him being able to do better now he understands the system better.... whatever works has got to be the approach in my opinion.... and I'd give anything a go to see if it makes the team better.

Minotaur
12-23-2006, 05:15 PM
Move Mario to LE, N.D. Kalu to RE, and make Peek a DT. I tried this in Madden 07, and it worked well against the run. Then again, it's just a game, but it worked.

ledzeppelin229
12-23-2006, 05:18 PM
Peek is no more than a situational pass rusher. He would get creamed inside on every single play.

Minotaur
12-23-2006, 05:31 PM
Peek is no more than a situational pass rusher. He would get creamed inside on every single play.

Explain how it worked on Madden, then! :)

thunderkyss
12-23-2006, 05:40 PM
i think they tried that at the begining of the season and it wasnt workin out

Depends on what you call "not working"....

The problem with Mario, is that he is not the sack specialist every body wants him to be.

Physically, he's a beast...... He's got a motor that won't quit..... & he's got a good nose for the ball...... then he's like 19.... 20 years old??

Mario is a much better football player than he is a sack specialist. But that is why we drafted him. He's a very good football player who could be one of the better sack specialist this league has ever seen.

joedinkle
12-23-2006, 05:48 PM
Physically, he's a beast...... He's got a motor that won't quit..... & he's got a good nose for the ball...... then he's like 19.... 20 years old??

And this is exactly what I'm getting at. Super Mario is a monster. Why should he just give the LT hell? Let him wear down the entire O-line through the course of the game. Imagine having Mario rough up the Tackle, and then putting in Babin or Peek on that Tackle. They're not the specimen that Mario is, but the Tackle will be worn out from dealing with Mario. The D-line as a whole will benefit from it.

Andrew6
12-23-2006, 05:53 PM
I was listening to the draft choices earlier this year on sirius satelite radio and they spoke of all the top choices. of all the choices the doctors had all agreed that Mario williams was the best, with VY coming in a close second, Reggie Bush didn't come close and they had mentioned he probably shouldn't play b/c of knee troubles. mario will hopefully do something soon, just seems he needs to get healthy and get more passionate, no matter what position he is put at

West Texas Texan
12-23-2006, 06:09 PM
I think the staff wanted to move him around at the beginning of the season. He is an absolute beast in practice during the week. Once in the game though, he became more concerned with not making a mistake, than making a play. We forget that he's a young rookie...

The coaches decided to leave him at one position, remove all the thinking, let the athletic ability to shine, with the hopes that his "during the week" play would transfer to Sundays. It has. Mario is gaining confidence each and every week. Opposing offenses now have to account to him on every play.

I believe next year we'll see him moving around on the line again, looking for the weak link on the opposing O Line. When that happens, you'll see the sack and tackle numbers go up, and the pro bowl selections....

joedinkle
12-25-2006, 12:00 AM
What did you guys think of Mario's play today? The FF was great as was the tackle for loss(i tihink that was the Colt's 2nd offensive play). He did look explosive at times, I recall him running over the tackle at one point, however this was early in the game(maybe the Colt's 2nd possession) It seems he's able to play well to start, and then tapers off(foot?) What do you guys think?

Ole Miss Texan
12-25-2006, 12:34 AM
Yea it looked like he was out of the play by indy's right tackle when mario forced the fumble from the back. then was on the ground crawling for it...very athletic play. I did see him get double teams a lot as well. which i guess is a good sign....did they not send demeco in on many blitzes? I was pleased with mario today...and demeco was all over the place yet again.

jonO_miller
12-25-2006, 12:40 AM
When we first played the colts they interviewed dwight freeney on espn.com and he said that mario is a freak of nature. That we should leave him at one spot because once he gets good enough he could dominate that postion. So I don't know why we would move him around. Maybe other people on the d-line but leave him in his spot. Let him get better at one thing not 3 different things. I mean most people arn't very good intill they're 27 and on because they have to get good at one postion. So you figure unless he plans on playing intill he is 40. he'll never get good at any of those postions.

dalemurphy
12-25-2006, 12:41 AM
Mario got foot problems right now. I think that's why he tends to fade late. I think his progress from August to now has been very encouraging. He looked so stiff and unremarkable early in the year. However, you can see since October, a number of times when he can really dominate an Olman. I'm very encouraged with his improvement. Next year, if he's healthy, I think it will be a blast to watch him.

dtran04
12-25-2006, 01:26 AM
I just love it when Mario slams an opposing tackle to the ground. Next I want to see a quick swim or spin move.

joedinkle
12-25-2006, 12:25 PM
I'm also hoping that he learns some moves pretty soon. I think between him being a rookie, the foot, and his physical strength, he's relying alot on the bull rush. I have a feeling he'll learn some stuff this off season and put it to use next season.

Zac
12-25-2006, 12:32 PM
I'm all of moving him around the DL. But he has to get comfortable doing it. Work you magic Texans. Because if Mario is moving around, then the Defenses won't be able to contain him as well.

thunderkyss
12-25-2006, 12:39 PM
I'm watching NFL gameday right now.... Dione & Mooch just went over a very good point about defense.

They were talking about how the Colts Defense is built to protect a lead...... if they don't get the lead, if they are playing from behind, there defense leaves a lot to be desired...... see->Ron Dayne getting 150 yards on 30 carries.

I think this is a good point, and something all the "Mario Haters" need to remmeber. They look at Mario & Babin, and say,"he's not a dominating pass rusher" which is true for the most part. But they are both more complete DEs(IMHO) than Dwight Freeney. They contain well, & they manage good pressure on the QB.

Both players are going to get better. Babin is only a third year player.... this year is the first year he's played in a 4-3. Mario of course is a rookie.... and he is playing hurt. They are going to get better against the run, and the pass, and they are going to help us win a lot of games.

ledzeppelin229
12-25-2006, 02:07 PM
Explain how it worked on Madden, then! :)

One thing I found on Madden is that Mario Williams makes an outstanding outside linebacker. I did it late in his 'career' and he had a 20 sack season.

Big78
12-25-2006, 03:44 PM
i have no problem moving mario around for certain situations, like putting him at DT for a goal line stand, but id say leave him at Strong side or Weak side DE for the rest of the game and dont get him out of rhythm. i favor keeping one end on the stong side and the other end on the weak side, allsowing them to switch sides according to which side is declared the strong side for that particular play. this does switch the players around (giveing the tackles different looks and making it harder to see catch on to tendencies in the players), but they still arent switching around too much b/c they are only switching which end of the line they are on, not having to adjust from going against a center and playing nose, then switching back to end and changing the way they aproach getting past their man (stance, technique, moves, responsibilities, ect. all of these change by switching a player from DT to DE, even if just for one or two plays). This is the normal way players are switched around if they do move around on the D line and i feel like it is the best way and is easiest on the player.

Buckle
12-26-2006, 08:41 AM
I would much rather move Mario around and make him the next Jason Taylor then leave him at one spot and make him the next Dwight Freeney, although I don't think we should move him around until he is more comfortable in our defensive scheme, maybe keep him at at one DE for another year or two and then start moving him around. I do think that we need another big body DT who gets good pressure up the middle to take some of the double teams of Mario. I think with the addition of a Alan Branch or even Sands from the Raiders would not only help Mario but would also help free up Travis Johnson to make more plays as well.

DocBar
12-26-2006, 09:13 AM
I like the Sam and Whiskey better. Keep the guy in his rythme of pass rush and contain. Mario could do a better job on the contain part right now. A big-bodied run stuffer would be Mario's biggest help. Maybe blitzing Ryans on some stunts from Mario's side, also. Our DL is just awful at pressuring the QB.

Mr teX
12-26-2006, 09:20 AM
While this was obviously not working towards the beginning of the season, and while it would be pointless to start doing it again now(end of the season, and the bad foot), this is something I wouldn't mind seeing more often next season. He's more expereinced now. He has a lot more snaps under him. Babin hasn't been doing to bad at DE either. I wouldn't mind seeing Peek TJ Mario Babin every now and then. Opposing offenses ARE game planning for Mario. Wouldn't things be more difficult if they had no idea where he was going to play? All this being said, I have very little football knowledge, am bored, and just kicking around ideas. Thoughts?

I don't know what games you've been watching, Babin has been looking like garbage. Not containing at all, just rushing up the field & creating running lanes.

Cincinnatikid
12-26-2006, 10:06 AM
Peek is an URFA and will be gone for next season. So there will be a different groups of guys to toy with.

kingh99
12-26-2006, 12:09 PM
While this was obviously not working towards the beginning of the season, and while it would be pointless to start doing it again now(end of the season, and the bad foot), this is something I wouldn't mind seeing more often next season. He's more expereinced now. He has a lot more snaps under him. Babin hasn't been doing to bad at DE either. I wouldn't mind seeing Peek TJ Mario Babin every now and then. Opposing offenses ARE game planning for Mario. Wouldn't things be more difficult if they had no idea where he was going to play? All this being said, I have very little football knowledge, am bored, and just kicking around ideas. Thoughts?

First off, Anthony Maddox deserves to start next year based on his performance the second half of this year. Did you watch the game? Maddox has incredible lateral pursuit. He goes sideline to sideline faster than just about any lineman. The only knock is he's undersized for a tackle. They need to be able to move MW up and down the line as was the plan original. The other linemen will fit around. Having Babin and Peek on the field at the same time is interesting but as you saw with the Colts, severely undersized speed guys on the end get washed out in the power running attack. Winston was riding Mathis and Freeney like his mule last sunday. He would get up on top with his forearms and just ride/hold the guy right out of the play. It was pretty impressive.

kingh99
12-26-2006, 12:12 PM
What did you guys think of Mario's play today? The FF was great as was the tackle for loss(i tihink that was the Colt's 2nd offensive play). He did look explosive at times, I recall him running over the tackle at one point, however this was early in the game(maybe the Colt's 2nd possession) It seems he's able to play well to start, and then tapers off(foot?) What do you guys think?

He was dragging his foot around. Looks hurt.