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wenskek
12-22-2006, 04:14 AM
i really don't understand why his size is being made into such a big deal. lets look at drew brees for example. the saints website has him listed at 6-0 209, and he has turned into a phenominal qb for the saints. nfldraftcountdown has troy smith at 6-1 215. drew brees is living proof that troy smith can play qb at the next level regarding his size. i am going to go out on a limb and go ahead say that i believe troy smith is giong to be a better version of drew brees. i think we should def take a look at finding a team with two first rounders. if i am not mistaken the pats have 2 first rounders, but i believe they are really late in the first round. why not entertain the idea of trading our top first round pick to them for there later two and using one of those later two first rounders on troy smith.:hides:

opinions?

kastofsna
12-22-2006, 07:21 AM
well, size IS a big deal. smith does have some issues with getting a guy in his face and not being able to see past him and he's pretty useless there. also, there are some concerns that he may actually be 5'11. still, i'll take him.

Runner
12-22-2006, 09:12 AM
Size is a big deal if there is a significant difference. If not, it is overblown.

DeMeco was considered by some to be "too small" for the NFL.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=cr-impactlbs041406&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

DeMeco Ryans, OLB, Alabama – Like Greenway, Ryans has seen his draft stock take a hit despite stellar college production. Scouts want him to get a little bigger and improve his strength when shedding blockers. He also doesn't have great ball skills when playing pass defense.

I'm glad team's in the first round were waiting for him to get bigger. Teams over analyze things. His draft stock dropped based on scales and a measuring tape.


http://www.nfl.com/draft/profiles/2006/ryans_demeco

STRONG POINTS
Ryans is a good athlete whose quick feet and instincts make him more productive than you expect. He always takes a quick first step in the right direction, and once he gets going, he has good enough speed to make plays in pursuit. He does a very good job of playing with bent knees and leverage on every play, and it helps him play strong at the point of attack consistently and to break down and tackle well out in space.


WEAKNESSES
Ryans is short for a linebacker at barely over 6-foot-1 and looks even smaller on film -- while he has played strong at point of attack at Alabama, he is going to have to prove he can do it against even bigger blockers in the NFL. He is a good athlete, but lacks the explosiveness and top-end playing speed to make game-changing plays and cannot catch very fast ball carriers in pursuit. He needs to use his hands better against blockers so that he can take on and shed quicker on a consistent basis.

Too short at barely over 6' 1". Sounds familiar.


I'll take the gamer over an additional inch or two in height.

Meloy
12-22-2006, 09:19 AM
I think you have to evaluate any player on how he fits with the Texans. We have already had several blocked or tipped passes (not saying whose fault it is). With Smith's height the problem would be increased in my mind. You can't assume that 1 0r 2 players do not have problems, Smith will not. He has had some difficulty in college as I understand.

kastofsna
12-22-2006, 09:27 AM
well, chris simms has plenty of trouble with tipped passes, and he's prototypical height at 6'4. it's about finding the appropiate lanes and release points. smith can do that just fine.

Runner
12-22-2006, 09:33 AM
I heard on the radio that Browns fans are raising a ruckus over Cleveland native, possible national championship winning, Heisman trophied Troy Smith.

Very Youngish.

If he goes top ten to Cleveland it will be the oppostie of the Young result here last year. His hometown team picks him before he was supposed to go.

So weigh in Houston fans - should the Browns take the hometown hero who is a winner but has legitimate questions about his NFL readiness, or should they pass on him?

kastofsna
12-22-2006, 09:43 AM
smith's value is nowhere near the top 10 right now. he'll have to have a great championship game, have a great senior bowl AND measure at LEAST 6' to get there.

Honoring Earl 34
12-22-2006, 09:45 AM
I'm glad Cleveland is getting their share .

I'm not piling on but you can be 6'3 and have a low release point and you might as well be 5'11 throwing wise .

Runner
12-22-2006, 09:51 AM
smith's value is nowhere near the top 10 right now. he'll have to have a great championship game, have a great senior bowl AND measure at LEAST 6' to get there.

Most people didn't think Young had #1 overall pick value either (more think so with hindsight, of course).

Sportsfan
12-22-2006, 09:59 AM
In this day and age of football, this whole 'prototypical size' thing is way overblown and the mold is often broken.
If you can excel at your position and help your team win, thats all that matters in the end.

kastofsna
12-22-2006, 10:23 AM
Most people didn't think Young had #1 overall pick value either (more thinks so with hindsight, of course).
at least young has good height and size.

Runner
12-22-2006, 10:44 AM
http://www.alcor.org/Library/images/circular.jpg


Circular, man; circular.

Vinny
12-22-2006, 10:52 AM
i really don't understand why his size is being made into such a big deal. lets look at drew brees for example. the saints website has him listed at 6-0 209, and he has turned into a phenominal qb for the saints. nfldraftcountdown has troy smith at 6-1 215. drew brees is living proof that troy smith can play qb at the next level regarding his size. i am going to go out on a limb and go ahead say that i believe troy smith is giong to be a better version of drew brees. i think we should def take a look at finding a team with two first rounders. if i am not mistaken the pats have 2 first rounders, but i believe they are really late in the first round. why not entertain the idea of trading our top first round pick to them for there later two and using one of those later two first rounders on troy smith.:hides:

opinions?
Size is an issue because only the exceptions excel when you aren't in a normal size range for your postion. Calvin Murphy proved you can play in the NBA as a short man, but did that mean that every guy 5'9" could play in the NBA, or every good basketball player that was 5'9" could make it? no, it meant Calvin Murphy could play at that size because he had the proper attitude, fire and intensity to package along with his lack of size. Can Troy Smith overcome his lack of height like guys like Drew Brees and Doug Flutie? Donno, but that will help push his stock down since it's just a fact that most linemen are around 6'4" and taller and short QB's have more to overcome than say a 6'4" prototype guy. I don't think DeMeco is a good example because short doesn't mean that much to a linebacker. Not a huge need to see over the linemen.

Ole Miss Texan
12-22-2006, 10:57 AM
I think you have to evaluate any player on how he fits with the Texans. We have already had several blocked or tipped passes (not saying whose fault it is). With Smith's height the problem would be increased in my mind. You can't assume that 1 0r 2 players do not have problems, Smith will not. He has had some difficulty in college as I understand.

I think a lot of the tipped pass problem is because Carr just looks to his #1 and stares him down, and then doesn't throw at the perfect time. It's a lot harder to tip a pass when the defender doesn't know when its coming out.
I'd like to see smith to us in the 2nd round. have a lot of roll outs with him.

mexican_texan
12-22-2006, 11:15 AM
I think a lot of the tipped pass problem is because Carr just looks to his #1 and stares him down, and then doesn't throw at the perfect time. It's a lot harder to tip a pass when the defender doesn't know when its coming out.
I'd like to see smith to us in the 2nd round. have a lot of roll outs with him.
Carr has a funky release.

Runner
12-22-2006, 01:15 PM
Can Troy Smith overcome his lack of height like guys like Drew Brees and Doug Flutie? Donno, but that will help push his stock down since it's just a fact that most linemen are around 6'4" and taller and short QB's have more to overcome than say a 6'4" prototype guy.

The fact that he is successful at the highest colege level is in his favor as opposed to being 6 foot and successful at Boise State, Hawaii, or somewhere. (no offense intended to fans of those schools).

kastofsna
12-22-2006, 01:19 PM
i wouldn't say the highest level. he did play in the big 10 afterall. ;)

Runner
12-22-2006, 01:40 PM
The Big Ten was a little down this year.

(This is an example of understatement).


Three top ten teams though...go figure.

kastofsna
12-22-2006, 01:42 PM
there's ohio state, michigan, and then a bunch of nothing.

Sarg01
12-22-2006, 02:23 PM
If he goes top ten to Cleveland it will be the oppostie of the Young result here last year. His hometown team picks him before he was supposed to go.

So weigh in Houston fans - should the Browns take the hometown hero who is a winner but has legitimate questions about his NFL readiness, or should they pass on him?

They should make the right call - pass on him, draft Peterson or Lynch.

Troy Smith is an OK pick - in the second round.

Titan "Tack" Fan
12-22-2006, 02:38 PM
This thread is pretty funny. Put this on a normal general forum on the net and someone would think you were talking about something else.

Funny stuff

Second Honeymoon
12-22-2006, 02:40 PM
I heard on the radio that Browns fans are raising a ruckus over Cleveland native, possible national championship winning, Heisman trophied Troy Smith.

Very Youngish.

If he goes top ten to Cleveland it will be the oppostie of the Young result here last year. His hometown team picks him before he was supposed to go.

So weigh in Houston fans - should the Browns take the hometown hero who is a winner but has legitimate questions about his NFL readiness, or should they pass on him?

Read a similar article. Most Browns fans want Smith but not with the 1st round pick. They are saying basically the same exact thing many Young pick supporters were saying except they feel they can trade down a little further. I felt the popular consensus was that the Raiders would have grabbed Young if he was available at #7 and it was a certainty that Bud was seriously thinking about Young (and was proven accurate). Cleveland fan thinks they can drop to the mid to late 1st round and still get Smith.

There are so many parallels though. Both teams needed a new QB (well not according to Texans management but most fans knew we needed a new QB and a new direction.) Both local kids who went to the state college football power and competed for national championships and BCS bowl games. Both happen to be African-American and considered less of a finished product than the other QBs available leading up to the draft. Both have shown an uncanny ability to make the plays when it counts. Both situations were/are lighting up the sports talk radio phone lines and the local sports conversations in their respective states. Both teams were/are at a crossroads and the wrong choice would hurt. The Texans chose wrong, now lets see what the Browns do. Do they look at our current plight and reach for Smith early? Get burned by trading down too low or counting on him falling to 2nd round? Who knows but we will soon.

An added story about the Cleveland plight is that Brady Quinn is an Ohio kid and many fans want him over Smith. It's kinda like if it would have been between Adrian Peterson (texan who left to play for the 'evil' Oklahoma) and Vince Young (texan who played for the local reigning national championships). That further complicates things. Depending on where they pick, some decisions will inevitably be made up for them.

sorry about the wall of text...

kastofsna
12-22-2006, 02:59 PM
hey, or maybe, you can make a draft pick based on overall talent and team need and not the fact that he grew up a few miles from your stadium. there's an unbelievably whacky and novel idea.

Vinny
12-22-2006, 03:12 PM
The fact that he is successful at the highest colege level is in his favor as opposed to being 6 foot and successful at Boise State, Hawaii, or somewhere. (no offense intended to fans of those schools).
a lot of 6' qb's have thrived in College over the years....but only a few have in the NFL.

AndreRulz
12-22-2006, 03:15 PM
a lot of 6' qb's have thrived in College over the years....but only a few have in the NFL.

yes only flutie, brees, vick, and a few more.

Runner
12-22-2006, 03:37 PM
a lot of 6' qb's have thrived in College over the years....but only a few have in the NFL.

Sure, but I think the same can be said about 6' 2" QBs. And 6' 4" QBs. etc.

Anyway, I'm from Ohio. This is like talking to a T-sip (if I use the term correctly) about Vince Young. I'm a tad biased.*




*And admit it, this time.