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Silver Oak
12-21-2006, 07:10 PM
"strongest arms ever"? Thats a pretty heavy endorsement!


JaMarcus Russell's decision to impact draft

LSU junior quarterback JaMarcus Russell is expected to be a first round selection should he enter the NFL draft. He has yet to give any indication on what his decision will be, but teams, players, and agents are all anxious to learn if the 6'-6" QB with a cannon for an arm will go pro. If he does, it will change the make up of the entire top of the draft.

The number one overall pick will lose some of it's value as Brady Quinn won't be the only elite QB in the draft. Teams won't want to give up as much to move into the first pick.

Brady Quinn will have some competition for the first QB taken. Most scouts still rank Quinn higher then Russell right now. However, that could change after Russell displays his skills for scouts during the combine and workouts. Some say Russell has one of the strongest arms to ever play the game.

Troy Smith might fall to the second round. The Smith bandwagon has been picking up steam and many consider him a first rounder. That could change with both Quinn and Russell expected to go higher then him.


http://www.footballsfuture.com/news/2006/12/jamarcus-russells-decision-to-impact.html

Vinny
12-21-2006, 07:39 PM
"strongest arms ever"? Thats a pretty heavy endorsement! I've been saying for weeks that Russell will shoot up the boards when it is all said and done....he is a stud and a very impressive prospect. He can throw the ball the length of the field....has a huge arm

Texas_Thrill
12-21-2006, 08:16 PM
lead foot version of michael vick?

I mean great he has a strong arm but is he accurate? does he have any touch?

Vinny
12-21-2006, 08:17 PM
lead foot version of michael vick?

I mean great he has a strong arm but is he accurate? does he have any touch?
why? because he is black? Why does everyone compare every black QB to Michael Vick? They are not even remotely the same type body or QB.

Texas_Thrill
12-21-2006, 08:19 PM
why? because he is black? Why does everyone compare every black QB to Michael Vick? They are not even remotely the same type body or QB.

lol, vinny it has NOTHING to do with the fact he's black TRUST me. if you recall when vick came out though they said the same thing about his arm. for my money vick has the strongest arm in the NFL. one of the strongest ever really but his accuracy has plagued him. I'm asking if the same is TRUE of Russell? It was not a knock on the kid just a question.

rmartin65
12-21-2006, 08:20 PM
why? because he is black? Why does everyone compare every black QB to Michael Vick? They are not even remotely the same type body or QB.

I think he meant it as a question, not a race remark.

And to answer the earlier question, it looks like he has good accuracy. I have not seen alot, but he seemed to have some touch.

Vinny
12-21-2006, 08:21 PM
okie dokie....I just see that too much, and I knee-jerked it...I'm sure you were commenting on arm strength so I gotcha.

Smokedawg
12-21-2006, 08:22 PM
Russell has a 68% completion percentage. his only flaw is when lsu is down and they need to come back he tries to force it to much, but he has gotten alot better though.

Texas_Thrill
12-21-2006, 08:23 PM
I think he meant it as a question, not a race remark.

And to answer the earlier question, it looks like he has good accuracy. I have not seen alot, but he seemed to have some touch.

thank you. from what i recall these days everyone is comparing troy smith to drew brees.

mexican_texan
12-21-2006, 08:24 PM
Russell has a 68% completion percentage. his only flaw is when lsu is down and they need to come back he tries to force it to much, but he has gotten alot better though.
As opposed to David Carr, who smiles and looks pretty for the cameras in that situation.

Texas_Thrill
12-21-2006, 08:25 PM
who will LSU be playing in their bowl game?

also given that kubes says he likes a more mobile qb does Russell fit in here?

thunderkyss
12-21-2006, 08:27 PM
I like Russell...... only watched three or four games though.

If the Texans Draft Russell..... I'm sure we'd be called idiots for a long time.... passing on Vince/Lienart/Cutler/Brees & all.....

If we don't draft Russell...... I'm sure we'd be called idiots for a long time..... passin on Vince/Lienart/Cutler/Brees & all....

Smokedawg
12-21-2006, 08:28 PM
who will LSU be playing in their bowl game?

also given that kubes says he likes a more mobile qb does Russell fit in here?

THey play Notre Dame, so he should get good stats.lol he is actually very mobile and extremely hard to bring down. he is bigger than everyone on defense except the DT. so thats say alot. i remember in the Tennesee game the DE came and hit him as hard as he could and Russell didnt even bugde.

thunderkyss
12-21-2006, 08:31 PM
who will LSU be playing in their bowl game?

also given that kubes says he likes a more mobile qb does Russell fit in here?

I don't think mobile is the right word. He reminds me of Culpepper... he's a big guy, kinda hard to bring down.... and he's not going to stand there and let you tackle him.

He'll never lead the league for rushing yards by a QB. but he's elusive, like Romo, Montana, Elway..... I think.

Nothing like Vince, who I think is more like McNabb(depending on his accuracy).

Vinny
12-21-2006, 08:36 PM
He has Ben Roethlisberger type movement and mobility in the pocket. He looks good in the pocket and seems to have a good feel for playing in the pocket and a big tough guy who isn't easy to bring down. He isn't as good a runner as Culpepper was in his prime, but he isn't a Leftwich concrete shoes type either. His coaches claim he is smart enough and understands the game well enough to be a future coach if he wanted to be...so that's a plus.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4760501804729330481&q=JaMarcus+Russell

Here he is avoiding a sack and chunking the ball downfield off his back foot, off balance halfway down the field (from his 7 to the opposing teams 37 yard line)....he is still a bit raw but he is a hell of a prospect.

ATX
12-21-2006, 08:41 PM
The guy is the total opposite of David Carr......we'd go from dinking and dunking to a guy who can throw a 100 yards.

thunderkyss
12-21-2006, 08:48 PM
You're right Vinny, he's much closer to Big Ben than Dante...... much closer.

The guy is the total opposite of David Carr......we'd go from dinking and dunking to a guy who can throw a 100 yards.

David Carr used to do that at one time as well.

Smokedawg
12-21-2006, 08:51 PM
One thing Russel does that Carr doesnt. is Russel isnt scared to throw the ball down field.

thunderkyss
12-21-2006, 08:58 PM
One thing Russel does that Carr doesnt. is Russel isnt scared to throw the ball down field.

If you were around in 2002, & 2003, you'd know David wasn't always scared to throw the ball down field.... he throws a pretty deep ball. It's just been a while since we've seen it.

Smokedawg
12-21-2006, 09:02 PM
If you were around in 2002, & 2003, you'd know David wasn't always scared to throw the ball down field.... he throws a pretty deep ball. It's just been a while since we've seen it.

yea thats true

YoungTexanFan
12-21-2006, 09:08 PM
One thing Russel does that Carr doesnt. is Russel isnt scared to throw the ball down field.

One of the best things about Carr when he was coming out was that he had a HUGE arm and could make every throw. He played in a pass happpy offense and threw downfield A LOT. He wasn't scared to throw downfield until he realized that his WR's couldn't get there in the 2 seconds he had to stand, read, and make the throw.

ATX
12-21-2006, 09:17 PM
Anyone remember that pass Carr threw to Jermaine Lewis in the first Dallas game and he dropped? Got to be one of the best deep balls Ive ever seen. I don't know what happened since that.

Ryan
12-21-2006, 09:44 PM
THey play Notre Dame, so he should get good stats.lol he is actually very mobile and extremely hard to bring down. he is bigger than everyone on defense except the DT. so thats say alot. i remember in the Tennesee game the DE came and hit him as hard as he could and Russell didnt even bugde.


that is what we will need with this o-line

JDizzle
12-21-2006, 09:59 PM
who will LSU be playing in their bowl game?

also given that kubes says he likes a more mobile qb does Russell fit in here?

Mobile does not equal fast. You do not have to be a blazer to run bootlegs. The bootleg relies mostly on a successful running game than a fast QB. Russell isn't a blazer but he's got quick enough feet to run bootlegs. Cutler isn't all that fast but he hurled a beautiful TD pass on a bootleg against the Cards last week ... probably one of the best TD passes of the season for any QB if you ask me.

phantom17
12-21-2006, 11:18 PM
thank you. from what i recall these days everyone is comparing troy smith to drew brees.

Why!? Is it becuz they are both SHORT QBs! Man, short QBs can't seem to get a break!:) j/k....of course!

Grid
12-22-2006, 12:22 AM
When Carr came out he wasnt afraid to throw the ball downfield either.. that bad habit was beat into him by poor protection.

What I really want to know is can Russell move around the pocket to avoid the sack, and then get the ball to the open guy.. that is what Carr cant do..and that is why he wont be playing here much longer.

painekiller
12-22-2006, 12:33 AM
I am getting so confused now. I was set on Branch with our pick if the big LT was gone. But now I am wondering, do you go Peterson, and hope Smith falls to the 2nd. Do you consider Russell at the 4th pick? He is big, mobile, strong. Does he have the touch to use the short game? Remember we have a West Coast offense here.

BTW he played in the SEC, with the big boys not like #8 at Fresno St.

dbspi
12-22-2006, 04:21 AM
He has Ben Roethlisberger type movement and mobility in the pocket. He looks good in the pocket and seems to have a good feel for playing in the pocket and a big tough guy who isn't easy to bring down. He isn't as good a runner as Culpepper was in his prime, but he isn't a Leftwich concrete shoes type either. His coaches claim he is smart enough and understands the game well enough to be a future coach if he wanted to be...so that's a plus.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4760501804729330481&q=JaMarcus+Russell

Here he is avoiding a sack and chunking the ball downfield off his back foot, off balance halfway down the field (from his 7 to the opposing teams 37 yard line)....he is still a bit raw but he is a hell of a prospect.

Vince, Jamarcus Russel is the best QB in this draft bar none. If I had to choose between Quinn and Russel then I will always choose Russel with the number one pick. This is what I think of him.

Quinn reminds me too much of Carr in every way. He also has the same problem that Carr had coming out of college.

If you look at all the GREAT ONE from years past you will find they always found a way to bring their team back from possible loses. Quinn never showed me that trait at Notre Dame. Joe Montanna used to do it regularly.

I still remember Notre Dame and University of Houston cotton ball game in late 70's. UH was ranged in top 10 and they were playing Notre Dame at the cotton bowl. ND was behind three touch down in second half but still Joe Montanna found a way to win that ball game. It has been more then 27 years and I still remember that game.

dbspi
12-22-2006, 04:39 AM
When Carr came out he wasnt afraid to throw the ball downfield either.. that bad habit was beat into him by poor protection.

What I really want to know is can Russell move around the pocket to avoid the sack, and then get the ball to the open guy.. that is what Carr cant do..and that is why he wont be playing here much longer.

How often have we seen quaterbacks getting ruined by sack in the NFL. Any quarterback who gets sacked record number for 5 years straight will never be same. Carr was a franchise quarterback in truest sense when he was drafted but that is not the case any more. He has lost his confidence and it will take way more then coaching to revive him.

He had the same trait that Payton Manning, and Carson Palmer had coming out of college. Had he been in a better situtation then he would have been right up there with those two quarterbacks.

With Texans he never had an offensive line nor did he ever had elite running back even with Domic Davis. If Texans want to salvage Carr then they need to draft Adrian Peterson and improve the offensive line.

Till this date I can say Texans still don't have any offensive line, this doesn't reflect badly on Carr as it does on Texans management and the coaching staff.

If Texans wants to bring Carr back next year then they need to draft Adrian Peterson and fix the offensive line this off season. If the Texans decides to trade Carr this off season (which can be understandable) then they need to draft Jamarcus Russel as their quarterback of the future and groom him for few years before sending him back to the field making sure he has adequate protection and running game.

Either way they need to fix OL and get a elite level RB. DD career is over and we need to move forward.

Silver Oak
12-22-2006, 07:48 AM
That vid of Russell has me kind of excited about him. I'll definitely be watching the bowl game against Notre Dame more intently now.

I wonder how long we could be patient with him on the sidelines if DC begins to struggle in a game.

kastofsna
12-22-2006, 08:19 AM
thank you. from what i recall these days everyone is comparing troy smith to drew brees.
well that's really only because of their height. really, smith's play and his career is along the lines of donovan mcnabb.

Scribe
12-23-2006, 12:14 AM
Hey guys, I'm an LSU fan and have followed Russell's development. To answer some questions, he's really improved in the last two years at spreading the ball around, varying his touch to meet the situation, taking what the defense is giving him, etc.

I think all three of LSU's top WR's each caught over 50 passes during the regular season. He moves well in the pocket and isn't rattled by the rush. He seems to have developed a better sense of where the pressure is coming from and moves accordingly, but all under control. He rolls out well and let's the receivers run their patterns. He's learned better how to get rid of the ball when the play isn't there. Plus, at his size, defensive ends just seem to bounce off him on the rush.

He is very impressive the way he can fling the ball downfield and hit long passes, but he's also just as comfortable throwing bubble screens, short slants and short to mid-range passes in the flats. He's by no means perfect, and still sometimes can revert back to old habits, but for the most part, he has improved significantly. I don't think he gets the credit he deserves.

Above all, he shows great poise and leadership when it's crunch time. He's led us on game winning drives against quality opponents probably five times since last year. He doesn't run much and he's not as fast as Vince Young or Troy Smith, but he became more comfortable running late this season and has done so pretty well. He's become more decisive when doing so and has found the open lane to make nice yardage with his long strides.

Texans86
12-23-2006, 12:27 AM
I just wish there was some way to get two 1st rounders this year to pick an LSU quarterback and then an LSU safety. If they can do well in the SEC, they can probably do well in the NFL.

thunderkyss
12-23-2006, 07:19 AM
I've been saying for weeks that Russell will shoot up the boards when it is all said and done....he is a stud and a very impressive prospect. He can throw the ball the length of the field....has a huge arm

In your opinion(Vinny, and anyone else who cares to answer), after the heavens aligned themselves last year, to drop Vince Young in our laps..... Could the Texans be forgiven for passing on Vince, if they Draft Jamarcus Russell with their 1st round pick??

Personally, I think Houston is in a lose lose situation.... Everything was perfect for them last year.... they could have dropped David.. not owing him a thing. Vince's stock was as high as ReggieBush's even though Reggie's campaign machine had a 3 month head start... you had a new coach, a new offensive system for the whole team... the majority of the fans would allow a losing season or two.

However, I believe Jamarcus is special... I haven't seen a lot of his games.... but what I've seen, I've been very impressed with his play. Brady Quinn may be a better player, more polished....... but I don't think he's special. He'll do well in the NFL..... IMHO, Brady would be like an Aaron Rogers, or an AlexSmith.. or a David Carr..... you take him with the #1 overall, because there isn't anyone else there, and you need a QB. Jamarcus is as good, even though he has a lot of learning to do.

I don't believe we are in a position now, where we can draft & start a rookie QB. 2007, we've got to win, and do what it takes to win. Even if it were Vince, after what we went through in '06, pressure is on to win. So while I'd like to see the Texans draft Russell...... I don't think it's the right thing to do.

beerlover
12-23-2006, 09:43 AM
I don't believe we are in a position now, where we can draft & start a rookie QB. 2007, we've got to win, and do what it takes to win. Even if it were Vince, after what we went through in '06, pressure is on to win. So while I'd like to see the Texans draft Russell...... I don't think it's the right thing to do.

I'm starting to feel that Kubiak now realizes his mistake (not sure if he will ever admit to it) but felt the same pressure to win & stay with Carr this season, instead of breaking down & completely starting over with a new QB. He did go out & spend some cap space on Sage but only in the back-up role, not as a long term solution.

Regarding Russell, who by the way I agree with y'all has exceptional talent, the one question you have to ask yourself is does he fit Kubiaks system?

hot pickle
12-23-2006, 02:56 PM
a couple questions about JaMarcus

how big are his hands?
we dont need another david carr or a daunte cullpepper

but with his size and talent i can see him bein a Steve McNair type of player, and so we can get a good big black QB back in houston

that would be great

but ill let kubiak and rick smith make the decisions, as long as we get some kind of QB in the offseason, but if we draft a guy:
4 of the guys i like
Troy Smith
Kevin Kolb
JaMarcus Russell
Colt Brennan (if he comes out)
and with Colt its a gamble cause he could be another Timmy Chang, but i would waste a 6th or 7th round on him just to see if kubiak can coach him up

oh by the way i can wait for Free Agency and the Draft, its gonna be crazy, i remember last year i was so happy when we got anthony weaver and jameel cook, cant wait for all of that though :redtowel:

Bubbajwp
12-23-2006, 03:23 PM
a couple questions about JaMarcus

how big are his hands?
we dont need another david carr or a daunte cullpepper

but with his size and talent i can see him bein a Steve McNair type of player, and so we can get a good big black QB back in houston

that would be great

but ill let kubiak and rick smith make the decisions, as long as we get some kind of QB in the offseason, but if we draft a guy:
4 of the guys i like
Troy Smith
Kevin Kolb
JaMarcus Russell
Colt Brennan (if he comes out)
and with Colt its a gamble cause he could be another Timmy Chang, but i would waste a 6th or 7th round on him just to see if kubiak can coach him up

oh by the way i can wait for Free Agency and the Draft, its gonna be crazy, i remember last year i was so happy when we got anthony weaver and jameel cook, cant wait for all of that though :redtowel:

Colt Brennan wont last anywhere near the sixth or seventh round.

gwallaia
12-27-2006, 02:28 PM
What is everyone's opinion on Russell? Is he a 1st round selection? My LSU buddies are claiming he will be the first QB taken. I think they are looking through their purple and yellow glasses myself.

Vinny
12-27-2006, 02:38 PM
Hey G...I merged this so some won't have to repost....I think he very well could be the first QB taken myself. I've seen several LSU games and imo his game translates to the NFL as well as any QB in this draft. I think he will be very good at the next level. I'd take him over Quinn myself.

gwallaia
12-27-2006, 02:43 PM
I have not watched LSU much the past couple of years but I did see Russell as a freshman. He seemed to panic too early while the pocket was developing, he rushed his throws or started to run too soon. I trust these problems have been addressed.

Ryan
12-27-2006, 02:46 PM
i think we need to pay more attention to the sugar bowl or whatever bowl the tigers are playing in.

TheOgre
12-27-2006, 02:54 PM
I think the outcome of the Sugar Bowl could have a tremendous impact on where Quinn and Russell get drafted.

Vinny
12-27-2006, 02:57 PM
I have not watched LSU much the past couple of years but I did see Russell as a freshman. He seemed to panic too early while the pocket was developing, he rushed his throws or started to run too soon. I trust these problems have been addressed.Yeah, I'm not comparing him to vince Young but he did too when he was young. He has high accuracy numbers (without throwing nothing but hitch passes) and has a massive arm. Statistically he was the # 3 passer in the nation this year. I sent a link to Infantrycak about how his coaches were stating he had such a grasp of the game that he could go into coaching if he wanted also...but I can't seem to find the link right now.

Weis compared LSU quarterback JaMarcus Russell to a young Daunte Culpepper when he was winning with the Minnesota Vikings.

"That's a very, very high accolade," Weis said. "His completion percentage is ridiculous (68.5 percent). That is not done by fluke. That means that guys (receivers and quarterback) are on the same page."

http://www.shreveporttimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20061220/SPORTS0202/612200305/1001/SPORTS

gwallaia
12-27-2006, 03:00 PM
I wonder if Russell would be a serious consideration for the Texans if he's available with their first pick?

If Oakland follows history and does not take a QB with their first pick, what teams ahead of us need a QB? Cleveland perhaps?

Texas_Thrill
12-27-2006, 11:11 PM
i'd be pretty hard pressed to believe that the Texans will take a QB especially in the first round. I'm still not a believer. If the Texans win the game against the browns you can pretty much forget about it.

Especially if carr "manages" the game like he did the colts. That would be all mcnair needs to keep his boy.

TexanSam
12-27-2006, 11:15 PM
If Russell declares, hopefully Smith will fall to the 2nd round and we have a chance to take him (Smith). That would be nice.

YoungTexanFan
12-27-2006, 11:21 PM
Russell should be the first QB taken in the draft when april rolls around. He is not the best QB prospect on his team and does not fit into our system particuarlly well. However, I do love his game and potential. The guy is a freak. He would be smart to enter this weak class and go straight to the top and not have to worry about Perilloux next year, but he would be smart to stay and develop more for next year.

threetoedpete
12-28-2006, 01:01 AM
As opposed to David Carr, who smiles and looks pretty for the cameras in that situation.

Would you please take these snide remarks back to the bull pen please. And don't let the door hit ya where the Good Lord split ya. Need a little clorox please vinny.

thunderkyss
12-28-2006, 08:21 AM
i'd be pretty hard pressed to believe that the Texans will take a QB especially in the first round. I'm still not a believer. If the Texans win the game against the browns you can pretty much forget about it.

Especially if carr "manages" the game like he did the colts. That would be all mcnair needs to keep his boy.

We just beat the best team in the AFC South.... a team we've never been able to beat, regardless of their Defensive ranking.

Kubiak just proved that we can win tough games against tough opponents with David..

I don't think beating.... or losing to the Browns mean anything at all.

El Tejano
12-28-2006, 10:26 AM
Last years LSU bowl game and this year against Tennessee was all I need to remember about Russell. I wouldn't be mad with that pick.

infantrycak
12-28-2006, 10:53 AM
I sent a link to Infantrycak about how his coaches were stating he had such a grasp of the game that he could go into coaching if he wanted also...but I can't seem to find the link right now.

I can't seem to find it either. Sorry.

Dr. Toro
12-28-2006, 10:54 AM
Russell intrigues me, but nobody should expect him to do anything with his feet like Culpepper. If Russell has a decent head on his shoulders, that should make him compare favorably to Culpepper. I have been reading that Quinn is far from a lock to be the 1st QB taken. I would have no beef with the Texans taking Russell... he is an awesome talent.

IMO, at some point the QB situation needs to be addressed, and I think there are three pretty good candidates this year (I prefer Smith and Russell over Quinn). Quinn's going to Detroit, and there's no way Cleveland takes Russell over Smith. Oakland is the wildcard. Russell will probably be there for HOU, Miami might be interested.

Vinny
12-28-2006, 10:56 AM
Russell should be the first QB taken in the draft when april rolls around. He is not the best QB prospect on his team and does not fit into our system particuarlly well. However, I do love his game and potential. The guy is a freak. He would be smart to enter this weak class and go straight to the top and not have to worry about Perilloux next year, but he would be smart to stay and develop more for next year.I don't see what you see. He has good movement and is every bit as mobile as Jay Cutler and Cutler seems to fit the Broncos perfect. Here is a bit of perspective on his career at LSU...

Here are Russell’s career stats at LSU: 5,960 passing yards, 45 TDs, completing 62.1% of his passes and he’s 25-7 record as a starter.


Russell’s numbers have shown marked improvement since he started playing two years ago. Over the course of the 2004 and 2005 seasons, Russell threw two or more touchdowns in eight games. In only ten games this year, Russell has thrown two or more touchdowns in eight of them. He’s completed at least 60% of his passes in eight games as well. The Tigers lost both games when Russell didn’t complete 60% of his passes or throw for two touchdowns.


I’d say that makes him a pretty valuable player on the roster, wouldn’t you?


Here’s a few more numbers for you to dwell on, Cletus: Russell has the fifth best QB rating (172.35) in all of Division IA football, tied for 14th in touchdown passes (21), third overall in completion percentage (70.8%), third in yards per attempt (9.5) and 17th in passing yards (2,364). And he’s only been sacked nine times. He tops Ohio State’s Troy Smith—a Heisman Trophy frontrunner—in five of those statistical categories.


http://www.wwltv.com/sports/stories/wwl111306khheldover.32f0c1b8.html

El Tejano
12-28-2006, 10:59 AM
Russell intrigues me, but nobody should expect him to do anything with his feet like Culpepper. If Russell has a decent head on his shoulders, that should make him compare favorably to Culpepper. I have been reading that Quinn is far from a lock to be the 1st QB taken. I would have no beef with the Texans taking Russell... he is an awesome talent.

IMO, at some point the QB situation needs to be addressed, and I think there are three pretty good candidates this year (I prefer Smith and Russell over Quinn). Quinn's going to Detroit, and there's no way Cleveland takes Russell over Smith. Oakland is the wildcard. Russell will probably be there for HOU, Miami might be interested.

I am assuming you think Cleveland compares their situation to Vince and what the Texans could have. That is very interesting.

As far as Russell and Miami. I hear you on that because of the Nick Saban/LSU ties. Do you smell trade bait?

Number19
12-28-2006, 11:03 AM
The guy is the total opposite of David Carr......we'd go from dinking and dunking to a guy who can throw a 100 yards.Any QB who plays here has to run Kubiak's West Coast style offense. This incorporates the short to medium passing game, particularly the quick slant over the middle (think Jarry Rice). A deep passer could be wasted on our offense.

kastofsna
12-28-2006, 11:04 AM
As far as Russell and Miami. I hear you on that because of the Nick Saban/LSU ties. Do you smell trade bait?
from what i understand, saban and russell had some bad times together at LSU. haven't heard too much about it though. i doubt we take a QB in the first anyway.

Dr. Toro
12-28-2006, 11:05 AM
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I am assuming you think Cleveland compares their situation to Vince and what the Texans could have. That is very interesting.

As far as Russell and Miami. I hear you on that because of the Nick Saban/LSU ties. Do you smell trade bait?

I think the local factor will matter, as will the fact that he can be had in the 2nd or in a late 1st tradeup, cost half as much, and is a really nice fit for their personnel. Edwards is such a deep threat and Winslow is such a good TE, a mobile QB with a cannon could have some immediate success. They need some help with run D, but their defense isn't half bad. Imagine that team if they added Peterson in the 1st and Smith with the next pick. If Brohm and Brennan come out, Smith could be there for CLE in the 2nd.

thunderkyss
12-28-2006, 11:06 AM
Any QB who plays here has to run Kubiak's West Coast style offense. This incorporates the short to medium passing game, particularly the quick slant over the middle (think Jarry Rice). A deep passer could be wasted on our offense.

Yeah, kinda like they are wasting that big arm in Denver......









:sarcasm:

Vinny
12-28-2006, 11:07 AM
Any QB who plays here has to run Kubiak's West Coast style offense. This incorporates the short to medium passing game, particularly the quick slant over the middle (think Jarry Rice). A deep passer could be wasted on our offense.Tell that to 12 playoff win/5 time Super Bowl participant John Elway. The Broncos haven't been back to the SB since big armed John Elway led them and have only won one playoff game since then as well.

El Tejano
12-28-2006, 11:12 AM
I've seen him perform in the clutch and he is nails.

Number19
12-28-2006, 11:47 AM
All I'm saying is that from a stylistic perspective, a deep passer is more suited for an "Air Coryell' offense than a "West Coast" offense.

From a Texans perspective, when you need to perform "in the clutch" - when you need to have that deep ball - then, yes, you'd like to have your QB possess those skills of a deep passer. But Kubiak's offense is not designed around the deep ball.

edo783
12-28-2006, 12:06 PM
But Kubiak's offense is not designed around the deep ball.

True. However, it is also designed around the dagger to the heart and that is the 3-4 long balls per game that just crush the moral of the other team when they go for a TD.

threetoedpete
12-28-2006, 12:09 PM
I can't seem to find it either. Sorry.

UT OH !!! lol. I've done that.

threetoedpete
12-28-2006, 12:15 PM
from what i understand, saban and russell had some bad times together at LSU. haven't heard too much about it though. i doubt we take a QB in the first anyway.

Well I'm in this camp also. BUT...I've been in da-nile swimming with David for three years. If kostranostra seems to think he's another Doug Williams...I'll be on board. But...rather have the OLT prospect. With my skewed vision I'm seeing a Cheap deal with Al. Maybe Al loves the guy and we can both plug a hole with one deal. I know I'm slanted and this is a very bad thing to do...especially with Darren McFaddin and Rice in the pipeline for '08, but just keeping hope alive.

Number19
12-28-2006, 12:18 PM
True. However, it is also designed around the dagger to the heart and that is the 3-4 long balls per game that just crush the moral of the other team when they go for a TD.No disagreement here. I agree totally.

A troublesome observation on this point - directed to this year - is that on those occasions when Carr goes deep, AJ never seems to have good separation - that is, really open. It takes a pin point, perfect pass.

What does this have to say about 1) the play calling, and 2) AJ's route running/ability to get open.

For the most part, Carr's passes seem to be there. It's just that AJ is always having to fight for the ball.

El Tejano
12-28-2006, 02:02 PM
I was just wondering, with all the people that moved to Houston from Louisiana, could Russell put people in the seats in Houston?

Vinny
12-28-2006, 02:03 PM
I was just wondering, with all the people that moved to Houston from Louisiana, could Russell put people in the seats in Houston?Quality play and winning puts people in seats.

sgntxnfn
12-28-2006, 05:59 PM
Last years LSU bowl game and this year against Tennessee was all I need to remember about Russell. I wouldn't be mad with that pick.

Russell was injured and did not play in last year's LSU bowl game. Backup Matt Flynn was the quarterback and the game was won by the Tigers 40-3 over the Miami Hurricanes in the Peach Bowl.

painekiller
12-29-2006, 01:15 AM
I have not watched LSU much the past couple of years but I did see Russell as a freshman. He seemed to panic too early while the pocket was developing, he rushed his throws or started to run too soon. I trust these problems have been addressed.

Yes they have. Like Vinny, I could see him going ahead of Quinn but behind Brohm. But I have also seen him going in the late 1st round. So what do I know, I thought Winston Justice was a top 10 guy.

I do not want a QB in the 1st two rounds, but I would not complain if Kubiak took either one of these two guys.

kastofsna
12-29-2006, 08:53 AM
Russell was injured and did not play in last year's LSU bowl game. Backup Matt Flynn was the quarterback and the game was won by the Tigers 40-3 over the Miami Hurricanes in the Peach Bowl.
yup, and that was russell's best performance yet. ;)

El Tejano
12-29-2006, 02:02 PM
Russell was injured and did not play in last year's LSU bowl game. Backup Matt Flynn was the quarterback and the game was won by the Tigers 40-3 over the Miami Hurricanes in the Peach Bowl.

I saw him play in a game against Iowa, I may have gotten the years wrong. They lost on a last second play by Tate.

Smokedawg
12-29-2006, 07:05 PM
I saw him play in a game against Iowa, I may have gotten the years wrong. They lost on a last second play by Tate.

yea, Matt Flynn started that game, then Saban put Marcus Randall in and finally after LSU was behind he put JaMarcus in and they took the lead with :25 seconds left. Then Ronnie Prude blew his coverage a let them get a easy TD!

Scribe
12-29-2006, 07:44 PM
Ok, so I checked out the latest on this thread and saw some comments about Russell panicking in the pocket because that's what he did his redshirt freshman year when some folks last saw him. People, that was an eternity ago in football development time.

Like I said in an earlier post, he still has his moments of mistakes, but he's advanced far beyond those times. The guy has improved considerably in showing poise, sensing and moving away from pressure by moving in the pocket as needed, taking what's open and spreading the ball around. And though he's not been a runner, he's done more of that and quite well late this season when the play breaks down.

Although he has unreal arm strength, he puts better touch on the ball now and is able to take the short to midrange route pretty well. When he first broke in, everything was a 100 mph fastball that the receivers didn't so much catch as they did fold around the pass on impact.

As for his ability to rally his team, he's led the team on big scoring drives in crucial situations, helping pull out wins against Bama, Auburn and Florida last year and Tennessee this year. He led us to a scoring drive to take the lead late against Iowa in the Cap One Bowl two years ago, but a blown coverage by our secondary led to a last second, game-winning touchdown pass by Iowa. So, he's proven he can deliver in clutch situations.

Scribe
12-29-2006, 07:49 PM
By the way, a couple of more things to add.

Regarding the perception that a big arm QB wouldn't fit well in the Texans' system, actually, Russell and his receivers have excelled at the quick slant over the middle where the receivers run for more yards after the catch. Plus, he throws the bubble screen and screen passes to backs plenty enough. He's not looking to throw the home run pass on every play, as it seems is the perception about him.

Also, one downside about JR is that although he's shown more of a willingness to run late in the year, he's still not a very fast guy. He gobbles up good yardage with his long strides but he's not really fast.

threetoedpete
12-29-2006, 07:49 PM
Can he run the waggle. I.E. Fake a dive to the right roll out left, hit the te on the drag to the left ? inquiring minds want to know ?

Bubbajwp
12-29-2006, 08:56 PM
Can he run the waggle. I.E. Fake a dive to the right roll out left, hit the te on the drag to the left ? inquiring minds want to know ?

You sure have been saying that alot lately

Ryan
12-30-2006, 12:36 PM
jamarcus is the man...it would be a shame to pass on him..unless you pick troy smith in the 2nd round

thunderkyss
12-30-2006, 05:05 PM
jamarcus is the man...it would be a shame to pass on him..unless you pick troy smith in the 2nd round

So far, everyone believes he'll return for his senior year..... so no one is going to pass on him...... he most likely won't even be in the draft.

tulexan
12-30-2006, 05:12 PM
So far, everyone believes he'll return for his senior year..... so no one is going to pass on him...... he most likely won't even be in the draft.

I don't think he is coming back. Unless he chokes in the Sugar Bowl and has a terrible game or gets injured he is going to come out.

There is a good chance that he will out play the consensus #1 pick in the draft in front of a national audience which means his draft stock is going to sky rocket.

kastofsna
12-30-2006, 05:35 PM
russell could wind up being the #1 pick with:

1) a great game
2) quinn has a terrible game
3) quinn doesn't look so hot at the senior bowl
4) russell has a great combine

lions would most likely take russell over quinn. depending on interviews and whatnot