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Hottoddie
12-20-2006, 08:23 PM
I'm one of those that still believes Carr can be a very good quarterback for the Texans. He may never be the kind of QB that can put a team on his back & will them to victory, but I'm okay with that. Because, I realize that it's okay for another player to be the one capable of carrying the team on his back (remember Earl?).

I believe that Carr has more than proven he's unable to make quick reads & decisions on the fly. However, if given adequate time, I believe that he can pick a team apart. He's got a very strong arm, is very accurate, & can run very well, when need be. He's definitely proven that he's a tough kid & can take a beating, while getting back up & into the game.

There are those that claim he can't read defenses, however, I disagree. He just needs more time than other QB's to go through his check offs. We've all seen a player do nothing on one team & then become an All-Pro on another team. While that may be due to a change of scenery, I believe it has to do more with the new team being set up to better utilize that player's skills. Let's take Vince Young & Reggie Bush for example.

VY is not a traditional drop back passer. He has to be able to free lance & make one on one plays. If he were inserted into a team that required him to sit back there & just pass the ball, I don't believe he'd be nearly as effective.

Reggie Bush is not a traditional between the tackles running back. He's much more effective in open spaces. If he were forced to conform to the role of a traditional running back, I believe he'd be totally ineffective.

In my opinion, Carr is better suited to be a traditional drop back passer. He just needs the time to do his job. And, that's why I haven't given up on him yet. For the first time in this franchise's short history, the Texans addressed the offensive line by drafting 2 tackles that I believe are our future left & right tackles for the next several years. Unfortunately, Spencer got injured & we've had to make due with less talented players. I'm praying that Spencer fully recovers & that the Texans are able to add some upgrades to the interior linemen (center & RG). I believe that if Carr were given the same amount of time to throw the ball that Peyton Manning gets, he'd be very effective.

So, the reason I haven't given up on Carr yet, is because I truely want to see what he can do behind a solid offensive line. If he still struggles after that, I'd be more than willing to personally escort him out of the city.

Honoring Earl 34
12-20-2006, 08:27 PM
In my opinion if anyone liked David ... they would want him to start fresh .
Another team and another town with a clean slate .

tex
12-20-2006, 09:06 PM
And better fans

Ibar_Harry
12-20-2006, 09:15 PM
I'm one of those that still believes Carr can be a very good quarterback for the Texans. He may never be the kind of QB that can put a team on his back & will them to victory, but I'm okay with that. Because, I realize that it's okay for another player to be the one capable of carrying the team on his back (remember Earl?).

I believe that Carr has more than proven he's unable to make quick reads & decisions on the fly. However, if given adequate time, I believe that he can pick a team apart. He's got a very strong arm, is very accurate, & can run very well, when need be. He's definitely proven that he's a tough kid & can take a beating, while getting back up & into the game.

There are those that claim he can't read defenses, however, I disagree. He just needs more time than other QB's to go through his check offs. We've all seen a player do nothing on one team & then become an All-Pro on another team. While that may be due to a change of scenery, I believe it has to do more with the new team being set up to better utilize that player's skills. Let's take Vince Young & Reggie Bush for example.

VY is not a traditional drop back passer. He has to be able to free lance & make one on one plays. If he were inserted into a team that required him to sit back there & just pass the ball, I don't believe he'd be nearly as effective.

Reggie Bush is not a traditional between the tackles running back. He's much more effective in open spaces. If he were forced to conform to the role of a traditional running back, I believe he'd be totally ineffective.

In my opinion, Carr is better suited to be a traditional drop back passer. He just needs the time to do his job. And, that's why I haven't given up on him yet. For the first time in this franchise's short history, the Texans addressed the offensive line by drafting 2 tackles that I believe are our future left & right tackles for the next several years. Unfortunately, Spencer got injured & we've had to make due with less talented players. I'm praying that Spencer fully recovers & that the Texans are able to add some upgrades to the interior linemen (center & RG). I believe that if Carr were given the same amount of time to throw the ball that Peyton Manning gets, he'd be very effective.

So, the reason I haven't given up on Carr yet, is because I truely want to see what he can do behind a solid offensive line. If he still struggles after that, I'd be more than willing to personally escort him out of the city.

I had a very long post on this subject, but it never made it to the web site. Lately I have had several posts get jammed and get lost. In any event the problem is David should have never been drafted by the Texans for the above reason. Capers wanted a QB who basically handed the ball off to the running back. Carr was not known for his ball handling capabilities. He was not known for being a deft faker and roll out passer. What he was known for is drilling the ball on a rope to his receiver who then had an advantage over the defense.

Another to thing to remember is that in College Carr had a very good O-line. Mankins who played LT at Fresno State never allowed anyone to get to Carr through him when Carr was a senior. Carr had an outstanding WR who had gifted hands. Carr has never had those as a Texan, and in fact, I believe this year has had his motion and delievery changed to throw with far less momentum than before. Instead of David being David and the coaches working to develop a team around what they had they tried to develop the team into something it wasn't. Unfortunately while Kubiak said he was going to do things differently, he did not. He did the Capers thing. The result is what you see.

I would love to see David stay and prove his worth, but its almost fool hearted to think the Houston fans would allow that. I feel Kubiak humiliated David in the last game and that was the last straw for David and the fans. I think Kubiak under estimated what impact his news conferences were having on his star pupil and the fans. They were extremely counter productive and the last game was the straw that broke the camel's back. Again, I agree with a lot of what you are saying, except I don't believe there is any way for David to get a fair shoot in Houston despite the fact we have never had an O-line.

No, it really is time for Carr to move on. Its like a bad marriage. To many words have been spoken for the marriage ever to work. Kubiak has publicly put too much blame on Carr week after week in his news conferences and made public displays on the sidelines. The worst part is that on at least one occassion Kubiak admitted it was his fault. However, that display was all over this board and few of those fans felt differently about it or even knew that Kubiak said he shouldn't have done that. David in fact had made the right decision. The end result has been a public outcry which literally back fired on the Texans. In fact I have stated if I were McNair I would fire Kubiak for placing him in an extemely embarrassing position. Its almost like Kubiak wanted to make certain Carr and the team failed at all cost. He cloaks it in terms of evaluating players, but I think it is more than that.

Blu
12-20-2006, 09:33 PM
Your a day late and a dollar short.





In my opinion if anyone liked David ... they would want him to start fresh .
Another team and another town with a clean slate .

Good Texans think alike.


Merry Christmas,

Blu

ryansisgod
12-20-2006, 09:43 PM
Your a day late and a dollar short.

Blu

well said.

your my boy blu! lol!

the wonger need food
12-20-2006, 10:09 PM
I had a very long post on this subject, but it never made it to the web site. Lately I have had several posts get jammed and get lost. In any event the problem is David should have never been drafted by the Texans for the above reason. Capers wanted a QB who basically handed the ball off to the running back. Carr was not known for his ball handling capabilities. He was not known for being a deft faker and roll out passer. What he was known for is drilling the ball on a rope to his receiver who then had an advantage over the defense.

Another to thing to remember is that in College Carr had a very good O-line. Mankins who played LT at Fresno State never allowed anyone to get to Carr through him when Carr was a senior. Carr had an outstanding WR who had gifted hands. Carr has never had those as a Texan, and in fact, I believe this year has had his motion and delievery changed to throw with far less momentum than before. Instead of David being David and the coaches working to develop a team around what they had they tried to develop the team into something it wasn't. Unfortunately while Kubiak said he was going to do things differently, he did not. He did the Capers thing. The result is what you see.

I would love to see David stay and prove his worth, but its almost fool hearted to think the Houston fans would allow that. I feel Kubiak humiliated David in the last game and that was the last straw for David and the fans. I think Kubiak under estimated what impact his news conferences were having on his star pupil and the fans. They were extremely counter productive and the last game was the straw that broke the camel's back. Again, I agree with a lot of what you are saying, except I don't believe there is any way for David to get a fair shoot in Houston despite the fact we have never had an O-line.

No, it really is time for Carr to move on. Its like a bad marriage. To many words have been spoken for the marriage ever to work. Kubiak has publicly put too much blame on Carr week after week in his news conferences and made public displays on the sidelines. The worst part is that on at least one occassion Kubiak admitted it was his fault. However, that display was all over this board and few of those fans felt differently about it or even knew that Kubiak said he shouldn't have done that. David in fact had made the right decision. The end result has been a public outcry which literally back fired on the Texans. In fact I have stated if I were McNair I would fire Kubiak for placing him in an extemely embarrassing position. Its almost like Kubiak wanted to make certain Carr and the team failed at all cost. He cloaks it in terms of evaluating players, but I think it is more than that.

It's all been just one big 5-year conspiracy to make Carr look bad. This is the best excuse I've heard yet.

ArlingtonTexan
12-20-2006, 10:28 PM
I had a very long post on this subject, but it never made it to the web site. Lately I have had several posts get jammed and get lost. In any event the problem is David should have never been drafted by the Texans for the above reason. Capers wanted a QB who basically handed the ball off to the running back. Carr was not known for his ball handling capabilities. He was not known for being a deft faker and roll out passer. What he was known for is drilling the ball on a rope to his receiver who then had an advantage over the defense.

Another to thing to remember is that in College Carr had a very good O-line. Mankins who played LT at Fresno State never allowed anyone to get to Carr through him when Carr was a senior. Carr had an outstanding WR who had gifted hands. Carr has never had those as a Texan, and in fact, I believe this year has had his motion and delievery changed to throw with far less momentum than before. Instead of David being David and the coaches working to develop a team around what they had they tried to develop the team into something it wasn't. Unfortunately while Kubiak said he was going to do things differently, he did not. He did the Capers thing. The result is what you see.

I would love to see David stay and prove his worth, but its almost fool hearted to think the Houston fans would allow that. I feel Kubiak humiliated David in the last game and that was the last straw for David and the fans. I think Kubiak under estimated what impact his news conferences were having on his star pupil and the fans. They were extremely counter productive and the last game was the straw that broke the camel's back. Again, I agree with a lot of what you are saying, except I don't believe there is any way for David to get a fair shoot in Houston despite the fact we have never had an O-line.

No, it really is time for Carr to move on. Its like a bad marriage. To many words have been spoken for the marriage ever to work. Kubiak has publicly put too much blame on Carr week after week in his news conferences and made public displays on the sidelines. The worst part is that on at least one occassion Kubiak admitted it was his fault. However, that display was all over this board and few of those fans felt differently about it or even knew that Kubiak said he shouldn't have done that. David in fact had made the right decision. The end result has been a public outcry which literally back fired on the Texans. In fact I have stated if I were McNair I would fire Kubiak for placing him in an extemely embarrassing position. Its almost like Kubiak wanted to make certain Carr and the team failed at all cost. He cloaks it in terms of evaluating players, but I think it is more than that.

If Carr had shown any where close the consistency you have over five years we would not be having this controversy. Absolutely amazing.

Second Honeymoon
12-20-2006, 10:33 PM
If Carr had shown any where close the consistency you have over five years we would not be having this controversy. Absolutely amazing.

yet hardly surprising

Texan Gal 312
12-20-2006, 10:56 PM
Would the bring in Jake Plummer supporters make a list so we can tell you all at once what great general managers you would make next year if things pan out this way.
I have always been a David Carr supporter but it is best for him to find a fresh start.
However, is this going to help the Texans ? I seriously doubt it.
If we bring in a rookie, they need to sit on the bench and learn. That would mean starting Rosenfels. Do you really see him taking our offense over the top.

Mr. Lopez I have met Damon Huard and Jake Plummer, and they are no Drew Brees. In fact they can't carry his Jock.

I just don't see a miracle coming in at quarterback.

bigTEXan8
12-20-2006, 11:03 PM
i'm a big carr fan, but he needs to get the **** out of houston. i don't put into question his want to win, his ability, anything. i just think that houston isn't going to be the place for him. maybe there would be a bit more slack if houston hadn't been without football for x number of years (sorry, don't know off the top of my head), but houston fans aren't going to give him a breath of air from now on unless there is a complete 180 in the way things have gone with his team. my thing is, carr=scapegoat. people need to remember, the entire team has sucked this year.

Cruuuuuuuz
12-20-2006, 11:09 PM
OK.
Carr gets one more chance!!!!
But we really need to get an OL and RB...especially RB...so Carr can hand-off...Oh christ... Carr's a fumbler!DOH!
Damn..that's it for Carr...

Hottoddie
12-20-2006, 11:40 PM
In my opinion if anyone liked David ... they would want him to start fresh .
Another team and another town with a clean slate .

Liking him has nothing to do with what my post was about. I have no personal feelings for him one way, or another. I like the Texans & feel that all we need is some better protection for Carr & a stud running back to carry the team. Replacing Carr alone, won't fix those 2 glaring needs. All replacing Carr does, is cause us to need a new QB as well as a RB & stronger OL. That sounds to me like we're taking a step backwards in the overall scheme of things.

Second Honeymoon
12-20-2006, 11:47 PM
Liking him has nothing to do with what my post was about. I have no personal feelings for him one way, or another. I like the Texans & feel that all we need is some better protection for Carr & a stud running back to carry the team. Replacing Carr alone, won't fix those 2 glaring needs. All replacing Carr does, is cause us to need a new QB as well as a RB & stronger OL. That sounds to me like we're taking a step backwards in the overall scheme of things.

We need a new QB whether David stays or goes....what's your point? We took a step backward when we extended Carr's contract. Without question.

So which is it? Keep mindlessly plodding the wrong way on a one way road - OR - admit your going the wrong way, turn around, and ask for directions

McNair is the father who won't stop and ask for directions when he gets lost. Even Dan Reeves tried to get him on the right path but since he told McNair that he was going the wrong way, McNair shut him out and kept driving.....on a road to nowhere.

Bob, ask for directions for Christ's sake and this time listen to them and not to your PR-addled self.

Honoring Earl 34
12-20-2006, 11:47 PM
Liking him has nothing to do with what my post was about. I have no personal feelings for him one way, or another. I like the Texans & feel that all we need is some better protection for Carr & a stud running back to carry the team. Replacing Carr alone, won't fix those 2 glaring needs. All replacing Carr does, is cause us to need a new QB as well as a RB & stronger OL. That sounds to me like we're taking a step backwards in the overall scheme of things.

We're 6-24 the last two years ... we can't go backwards .

Ryan
12-21-2006, 12:25 AM
not to mention 22-56 in this team's history

Vinny
12-21-2006, 09:06 AM
I had a very long post on this subject, but it never made it to the web site. Lately I have had several posts get jammed and get lost.
Ibar...you don't get anything deleted. You tend to get a few posts merged into other threads, but you never have anything deleted...I see everything that is deleted here and none of your posts quality for termination. Try searching your post history sometimes.

jerek
12-21-2006, 09:10 AM
It's all been just one big 5-year conspiracy to make Carr look bad. This is the best excuse I've heard yet.

Equally stupid is the assertion that Billionaire Bob is on an indefinite conspiracy to keep Carr here at all costs (or better yet, won't draft Longhorns), and yet I see people perpetuate that here on a daily basis.

Vinny
12-21-2006, 09:13 AM
Equally stupid is the assertion that Billionaire Bob is on an indefinite conspiracy to keep Carr here at all costs (or better yet, won't draft Longhorns), and yet I see people perpetuate that here on a daily basis.Everything I know about McNair says to me that ......everything revolves around Carr. From the choice in coaches (Kubiak was hired to "fix" David) to the vast reaches of his marketing efforts. Bob loves David and is keeping him here at all costs. Despite the outrage of the fans McNair came out last week and stated that he was behind him 100% while taking a shot at VY....I'd say it isn't a stupid assertion that Billionare Bob is in a lovefest that is hurting the franchise.

nunusguy
12-21-2006, 09:15 AM
Equally stupid is the assertion that Billionaire Bob is on an indefinite conspiracy to keep Carr here at all costs (or better yet, won't draft Longhorns), and yet I see people perpetuate that here on a daily basis.

Do you honestly doubt the old mans partiality towards DC, and how that might cloud his judgement about Carr ?
IMO all of us, and most of all David Carr and his family, need to have him move on to another place, another time.

kingh99
12-21-2006, 09:17 AM
I'm one of those that still believes Carr can be a very good quarterback for the Texans. He may never be the kind of QB that can put a team on his back & will them to victory, but I'm okay with that. Because, I realize that it's okay for another player to be the one capable of carrying the team on his back (remember Earl?).

I believe that Carr has more than proven he's unable to make quick reads & decisions on the fly. However, if given adequate time, I believe that he can pick a team apart. He's got a very strong arm, is very accurate, & can run very well, when need be. He's definitely proven that he's a tough kid & can take a beating, while getting back up & into the game.

There are those that claim he can't read defenses, however, I disagree. He just needs more time than other QB's to go through his check offs. We've all seen a player do nothing on one team & then become an All-Pro on another team. While that may be due to a change of scenery, I believe it has to do more with the new team being set up to better utilize that player's skills. Let's take Vince Young & Reggie Bush for example.

VY is not a traditional drop back passer. He has to be able to free lance & make one on one plays. If he were inserted into a team that required him to sit back there & just pass the ball, I don't believe he'd be nearly as effective.

Reggie Bush is not a traditional between the tackles running back. He's much more effective in open spaces. If he were forced to conform to the role of a traditional running back, I believe he'd be totally ineffective.

In my opinion, Carr is better suited to be a traditional drop back passer. He just needs the time to do his job. And, that's why I haven't given up on him yet. For the first time in this franchise's short history, the Texans addressed the offensive line by drafting 2 tackles that I believe are our future left & right tackles for the next several years. Unfortunately, Spencer got injured & we've had to make due with less talented players. I'm praying that Spencer fully recovers & that the Texans are able to add some upgrades to the interior linemen (center & RG). I believe that if Carr were given the same amount of time to throw the ball that Peyton Manning gets, he'd be very effective.

So, the reason I haven't given up on Carr yet, is because I truely want to see what he can do behind a solid offensive line. If he still struggles after that, I'd be more than willing to personally escort him out of the city.

He has a decent arm making throws less than 20 yards. His arm and accuracy and guts to absorb the hit while finishing the throw are well below average with anything deep. Been to the games, seen the wide outs flail at poorly thrown deep ball after poorly thrown deep ball. VY is a very competent pocket passer and shows the determination to be a pass first traditional QB, not a M Vick one dimensional player. VY looks like he could be the second coming of John Elway. The Texans really REALLY screwed up not picking him. Or Reggie for that matter. But for sure they screwed up majorly not picking VY.

SBTexans08
12-21-2006, 09:22 AM
Be a fan of David, not giving up on him all you want...but he's out of here. We can't take it any longer. We've had enough.

texan's blue
12-21-2006, 10:22 AM
..... Instead of David being David and the coaches working to develop a team around what they had they tried to develop the team into something it wasn't. Unfortunately while Kubiak said he was going to do things differently, he did not. He did the Capers thing. The result is what you see.......

I think that this sums it up... IMHO Kubiak was pretty much a lateral move from Capers.... Somebody (who really knows who at this point) really wants the Texans to be a "pound it up the middle" team and despite 5 years of failing miserably at this they don't see that we don't have the personnel for this type of play.... it is well beyond time to adjust the play book...

I wish I could find out who this person is so that I could walk up to them and kick them in the nuts (assuming of course that they have some)... cause that's what it feels like watching my beloved Texans come out and do the same crap game after game after game after game after game.............................................. ............................................

Porky
12-21-2006, 11:17 AM
Liking him has nothing to do with what my post was about. I have no personal feelings for him one way, or another. I like the Texans & feel that all we need is some better protection for Carr & a stud running back to carry the team. Replacing Carr alone, won't fix those 2 glaring needs. All replacing Carr does, is cause us to need a new QB as well as a RB & stronger OL. That sounds to me like we're taking a step backwards in the overall scheme of things.

How does the worst expansion team in history take a step backwards? There is such a thing as addition by subtraction.

Second Honeymoon
12-21-2006, 11:27 AM
Equally stupid is the assertion that Billionaire Bob is on an indefinite conspiracy to keep Carr here at all costs (or better yet, won't draft Longhorns), and yet I see people perpetuate that here on a daily basis.

Bob has stuck by Carr even though all signs have pointed for him to get rid of him. For crying out loud, McNair brought in Dan Reeves for big money and then didn't listen to his advice because it wasn't what he wanted to hear. McNair is surrounded by Yes Men (and many Yes Fans) so it's no surprise he is still sticking by Carr. No one wants to give an honest assessment that would put McNair in a bad light or present an argument that doesnt follow McNair's own ignorant opinion. But the dam is about to break and McNair can either do something with Carr and get to high ground or he can drown in a flood of unhappy fan sentiment and partnership revolutions.

As for the 'We Dont Draft Longhorns Take', the only thing we can go on is their draft history. Their draft history has shown them passing on many Longhorns even at positions of need. Is it a 'conspiracy'? No. but the bottom line is they have passed on many. DJohnson, Vasher, and Vince Young were all positions of need, were available, and were passed on. It's just a fact that they dont draft Longhorns but its not at conspiracy level yet.

Anyone who thought Aggie Kubiak even considered drafting the Moses of Longhorns, Vince Young, right after he delivered the UT program to the Promised Land, is fooling themselves. He would have never heard the end of it from his Aggie buddies. As for McNair, Vince Young wasn't the 'right fit'. It is quite obvious that McNair likes to only give huge contracts to milky white skinned QBs whose only redeeming qualities are a clean night life, good family man, and a pious soul, and we all know what they stuff means on the football field....absolutely nothing. McNair is more concerned about saving face and PR. He is a joke and makes Jerry Jones look like Albert Einstein and makes Bud Adams look like Stephen Hawkings.

infantrycak
12-21-2006, 11:36 AM
Vasher.. were all positions of need, were available, and were passed on.

Vasher was in the same draft as Dunta. The team already had Glenn, Coleman and Faggins at that point. It would have been an OK pick for the future but was not an area of immediate need.

It is quite obvious that McNair likes to only give huge contracts to milky white skinned QBs ...

Injecting race into this with ZERO proof is pathetic IMO.

ATX
12-21-2006, 11:38 AM
Bob has stuck by Carr even though all signs have pointed for him to get rid of him. For crying out loud, McNair brought in Dan Reeves for big money and then didn't listen to his advice because it wasn't what he wanted to hear. McNair is surrounded by Yes Men (and many Yes Fans) so it's no surprise he is still sticking by Carr. No one wants to give an honest assessment that would put McNair in a bad light or present an argument that doesnt follow McNair's own ignorant opinion. But the dam is about to break and McNair can either do something with Carr and get to high ground or he can drown in a flood of unhappy fan sentiment and partnership revolutions.

As for the 'We Dont Draft Longhorns Take', the only thing we can go on is their draft history. Their draft history has shown them passing on many Longhorns even at positions of need. Is it a 'conspiracy'? No. but the bottom line is they have passed on many. DJohnson, Vasher, and Vince Young were all positions of need, were available, and were passed on. It's just a fact that they dont draft Longhorns but its not at conspiracy level yet.

Anyone who thought Aggie Kubiak even considered drafting the Moses of Longhorns, Vince Young, right after he delivered the UT program to the Promised Land, is fooling themselves. He would have never heard the end of it from his Aggie buddies. As for McNair, Vince Young wasn't the 'right fit'. It is quite obvious that McNair likes to only give huge contracts to milky white skinned QBs whose only redeeming qualities are a clean night life, good family man, and a pious soul, and we all know what they stuff means on the football field....absolutely nothing. McNair is more concerned about saving face and PR. He is a joke and makes Jerry Jones look like Albert Einstein and makes Bud Adams look like Stephen Hawkings.

We drafted Sloan Thomas from UT a few years back.

Vinny
12-21-2006, 11:40 AM
Injecting race into this with ZERO proof is pathetic IMO.
We are an organization with guys like Rick Smith and Tony Wyllie in high ranking positions of power and in roles held traditionally by white men in the NFL for decades. The last thing Bob McNair looks at is color...well, except for green. I think he likes money.

Goldeagle
12-21-2006, 11:48 AM
I still want to know if Carr goes who will the Carr haters blame?

If it means fixing the O-line (something Carr deserved) then ok.

He has made plays since his rookie season but never had all the parts together at the right time. Run game this year is not respected, would it have been better with DD? O-line.......Well it has always played below average. Bad WRs who cannot catch, AJ INCLUDED. and way to conservative play calling even from Kubiak.

I think there were a couple of times that kubiak wants to run the clock out with 8 minutes left in the 3rd QUARTER! I hope when he saw Billichek go for it on us leading 40-7 in the 4th quarter he got some ideas.

Vinny
12-21-2006, 11:53 AM
I think there were a couple of times that kubiak wants to run the clock out with 8 minutes left in the 3rd QUARTER! I hope when he saw Billichek go for it on us leading 40-7 in the 4th quarter he got some ideas.We all saw what happens when Carr stops dinking the ball last week vs the Pats. Bill Belichick has a proven NFL qb though....that's the difference. I guess you haven't noticed that no matter who coaches Carr they don't trust him to throw the ball down field....could be that Palmer, Kubiak, and Pendry didn't like to see Carr throw 4 int's a game like last week.

Porky
12-21-2006, 11:58 AM
We all saw what happens when Carr stops dinking the ball last week vs the Pats. Bill Belichick has a proven NFL qb though....that's the difference. I guess you haven't noticed that no matter who coaches Carr they don't trust him to throw the ball down field....could be that Palmer, Kubiak, and Pendry didn't like to see Carr throw 4 int's a game like last week.

Bingo, we have a winner! How come Palmer was the devil incarnate here, but he suddenly turns into a genius again in Dallas? He took an undrafted FA who never took a snap before, and made him into a pro-bowl alternate in one year. But, here, he was blamed for everything from the high humidity to traffic jams at rush hour. Kubiak managed to turn Jake Plummer into a pro-bowler in Denver and was considered an offensive guru, but suddenly he is dumb as rocks and doesn't know how to mold a QB. People WAKE UP ALREADY. Some of you are denser than the Rain Forest. :brickwall

Second Honeymoon
12-21-2006, 12:03 PM
We drafted Sloan Thomas from UT a few years back.

yeah and he ended the preseason as the most productive WR on the whole team....but he was a Longhorn so he was let go.

infantrycak
12-21-2006, 12:06 PM
yeah and he ended the preseason as the most productive WR on the whole team....but he was a Longhorn so he was let go.

Or he didn't have the talent to make a WR poor team like the Titans even and so is sitting on a bench in New Jersey with zero NFL catches. But no, obviously it is all anti-Longhorn bias.

HJam72
12-21-2006, 12:08 PM
No....it's racism. Gotta be racism.

Second Honeymoon
12-21-2006, 12:08 PM
Injecting race into this with ZERO proof is pathetic IMO.

Hes offered a big contract to a QB on two separate occasions. Both times QB was white and both times Lil Davey. You are free to call it what you want as well as label me pathetic.

I won't lose any sleep over it....

ib4texans
12-21-2006, 12:10 PM
He has offered a big contract to a QB on two separate occasions. Both times QB was white and both times Lil Davey. You are free to call it what you want as well as to label me pathetic.

I won't lose any sleep over it....


I believe he also ponied up quite a bit of money to Domanick Davis, and he won't even come out to play.

Mr. White
12-21-2006, 12:11 PM
I used to not think too much of the conspiracy theory about the Texans passing over Longhorns on purpose. I thought that it was ridiculous that a pro football team would pass on players from any college on purpose.

Lately, I've been coming around to the other way of thinking. Casserly was just the pompous kind of moron to do something like that.

A post came up in another thread yesterday by someone who has heard CC say as much with his own ears. Casserly didn't trust Mack Brown's scouting reports and therefore didn't scout Longhorns.

Second Honeymoon
12-21-2006, 12:11 PM
We are an organization with guys like Rick Smith and Tony Wyllie in high ranking positions of power and in roles held traditionally by white men in the NFL for decades. The last thing Bob McNair looks at is color...well, except for green. I think he likes money.

Rick Smith was a good hire. I didn't say anything about people of color in positions in the FO, just the QB position. They made their bed they can lay in it.

Second Honeymoon
12-21-2006, 12:13 PM
I still want to know if Carr goes who will the Carr haters blame?

If it means fixing the O-line (something Carr deserved) then ok.

He has made plays since his rookie season but never had all the parts together at the right time. Run game this year is not respected, would it have been better with DD? O-line.......Well it has always played below average. Bad WRs who cannot catch, AJ INCLUDED. and way to conservative play calling even from Kubiak.

I think there were a couple of times that kubiak wants to run the clock out with 8 minutes left in the 3rd QUARTER! I hope when he saw Billichek go for it on us leading 40-7 in the 4th quarter he got some ideas.

Translation: It's everyones fault but David's.

Second Honeymoon
12-21-2006, 12:15 PM
Or he didn't have the talent to make a WR poor team like the Titans even and so is sitting on a bench in New Jersey with zero NFL catches. But no, obviously it is all anti-Longhorn bias.

if a player is the most productive in pre-season I just think he merits a little consideration as someone who can play.

this league is littered with players who never got a chance and players who never took advantage of their chances when they got them. I am sure Sloan is somewhere in between.

infantrycak
12-21-2006, 12:17 PM
A post came up in another thread yesterday by someone who has heard CC say as much with his own ears. Casserly didn't trust Mack Brown's scouting reports and therefore didn't scout Longhorns.

Yes, some anonymous poster on a MB pulled it out of one of his orifices and then when challenged slammed the sphincter shut where it should have been in the 1st place. Just because someone types it doesn't make it true.

infantrycak
12-21-2006, 12:19 PM
if a player is the most productive in pre-season I just think he merits a little consideration as someone who can play.

this league is littered with players who never got a chance and players who never took advantage of their chances when they got them. I am sure Sloan is somewhere in between.

He may deserve a chance. The point being three teams have failed to see the merit in putting him on the field. There is no logic to using it against one of them as proof of an anti-longhorn bias.

Look, I am not saying passing on DJ was a good thing but look at that. The Texans didn't think he fit a 3-4. They also didn't think Shawn Merriman fit a 3-4. They were morons, not anti-Longhorns.

ib4texans
12-21-2006, 12:21 PM
Yes, some anonymous poster on a MB pulled it out of one of his orifices and then when challenged slammed the sphincter shut where it should have been in the 1st place. Just because someone types it doesn't make it true.

Ouch! That sounded painful.

Mr. White
12-21-2006, 12:25 PM
Yes, some anonymous poster on a MB pulled it out of one of his orifices and then when challenged slammed the sphincter shut where it should have been in the 1st place. Just because someone types it doesn't make it true.

The anonymous poster has a pretty good track record as far as his team info goes. I wouldn't have mentioned it if he didn't.

Second Honeymoon
12-21-2006, 12:26 PM
He may deserve a chance. The point being three teams have failed to see the merit in putting him on the field. There is no logic to using it against one of them as proof of an anti-longhorn bias.

Look, I am not saying passing on DJ was a good thing but look at that. The Texans didn't think he fit a 3-4. They also didn't think Shawn Merriman fit a 3-4. They were morons, not anti-Longhorns.

No argument there. There is no doubt he is to blame but when he was with the Texans he produced on the field but for some reason he didn't fit into the Texans plans. I just don't know how they could feel that way when he was the most productive on gameday in preseason and he was cheap.

When our Texans keep making bonehead move after bonehead move there has to be a reason for it....is it only because they are just horrible talent evaluators and horrible decision makers? or are there other inherent problems in the Front Office still left over from Asserley's regime....my guess is that it all starts up top with Braindead Bob.....nice guy but a blithering moron IMO

Runner
12-21-2006, 12:28 PM
...the conspiracy theory about the Texans passing over Longhorns on purpose...

Doubtful.

I am pretty sure that the linebacker coach at the time told Capers and Casserly not to take Derrick Johnson - kind of a him or me thing. That may sound outlandish, but there was at least one defensive coach this year adamantly opposed to taking Ryans with the second pick. The LB coach (Holland) wanted him badly from what I've heard though.

If the postition coach doesn't want you, it's a hard sell to take a guy with a #1 pick. I'm far more confident in that scenario than the Longhorn conspiracy theory.

Keyser Soze
12-21-2006, 12:34 PM
Everything I know about McNair says to me that ......everything revolves around Carr. From the choice in coaches (Kubiak was hired to "fix" David) to the vast reaches of his marketing efforts. Bob loves David and is keeping him here at all costs. Despite the outrage of the fans McNair came out last week and stated that he was behind him 100% while taking a shot at VY....I'd say it isn't a stupid assertion that Billionare Bob is in a lovefest that is hurting the franchise.

It appears that way, but it doesn't do McNair any good to further destroy the value of his starting QB.

I'd like to think McNair is smart enough not to let a crush of man-love overwhelm what should be his priorities: his loyalty to his team and his fans. Both will outlast any player.

DC has had his shot. It's not getting better. You could easily argue it's getting worse. It's time to move on, for the club and for the player.

Second Honeymoon
12-21-2006, 12:37 PM
Doubtful.

I am pretty sure that the linebacker coach at the time told Capers and Casserly not to take Derrick Johnson - kind of a him or me thing. That may sound outlandish, but there was at least one defensive coach this year adamantly opposed to taking Ryans with the second pick. The LB coach (Holland) wanted him badly from what I've heard though.

If the postition coach doesn't want you, it's a hard sell to take a guy with a #1 pick. I'm far more confident in that scenario than the Longhorn conspiracy theory.

If I was the owner of the Texans and had seen Derrick Johnson play at Texas and then some position coach says he doesn't want DJ. I would have sent that dude packing. Any coach who wouldnt want DJ shouldnt even be coaching. But whatever, we got coaches that resign Carr to extended contracts and pick workout warriors time after time that amount to little or nothing (carr and babin come to mind)

Runner
12-21-2006, 01:00 PM
If I was the owner of the Texans and had seen Derrick Johnson play at Texas and then some position coach says he doesn't want DJ. I would have sent that dude packing.

Yes, they should have told him to walk away then. The coaches received an unusual amount, shall we say, of loyalty and support from their head coach. Too bad the front office (less McNair) wasn't empowered to enforce the same "my way or the highway" mentality on the coaches that they enforced on the players.

Mr. White
12-21-2006, 01:20 PM
Yes, they should have told him to walk away then. The coaches received an unusual amount, shall we say, of loyalty and support from their head coach. Too bad the front office (less McNair) wasn't empowered to enforce the same "my way or the highway" mentality on the coaches that they enforced on the players.

So McNair deferred to Casserly because he was the football guy.

Casserly deferred to Capers. We know this because he only said it about 47 times leading up to his firing...er..resignation.

And Capers deferred to his position coaches.

So the position coaches were the ones who really ran the team. :marionaner:

It's not exactly a conventional organizational model, but it explains a lot.

Porky
12-21-2006, 01:45 PM
So McNair deferred to Casserly because he was the football guy.

Casserly deferred to Capers. We know this because he only said it about 47 times leading up to his firing...er..resignation.

And Capers deferred to his position coaches.

So the position coaches were the ones who really ran the team. :marionaner:

It's not exactly a conventional organizational model, but it explains a lot.

And the position coaches deferred to the interns.

and the interns deferred to their girlfriends.

And the interns girlfriends deferred to thier hairdressers.

That not only explains a lot, but also explains why David Carr is still around. :tease:

HOU-TEX
12-21-2006, 01:49 PM
And the position coaches deferred to the interns.

and the interns deferred to their girlfriends.

And the interns girlfriends deferred to thier hairdressers.

That not only explains a lot, but also explains why David Carr is still around. :tease:

Too bad they never deferred to this MB. We'd be Super Bowl champs by now.:tease:

seveneventer
12-21-2006, 01:59 PM
I forwarded this original post to some dudes I work with and this was on on thier responses...any opinions on what he says?

I can think of many reasons for him to stay,(never having a QB coach, no line, etc..) but I have seen many reasons for him to go. I agree with the offensive line comment, but nothing will ever be perfect. I haven't been impressed with his ability lead a team(passion,expectations,he is too nice)to throw downfield, placing the ball on the outside shoulder, not putting the receiver in harms way, looking off the defender(meaning-he telegraphs where he is passing the ball), not adjusting to the pocket collapses or moving around in the pocket to buy time, holding the ball WAY too long,moving his feet, making smart decisions to save his line of scrimmage, receivers and throwing the ball away when needed. He have overthrown or mistargeted more ball this year then I have seen. He doesn't know how to spot the open man downfield.. So I just think I have seen enough to NOW actually judge his talent and smarts as a leader on the field.


:texan:

thunderkyss
12-21-2006, 02:41 PM
I forwarded this original post to some dudes I work with and this was on on thier responses...any opinions on what he says?

I can think of many reasons for him to stay,(never having a QB coach, no line, etc..) but I have seen many reasons for him to go. I agree with the offensive line comment, but nothing will ever be perfect. I haven't been impressed with his ability lead a team(passion,expectations,he is too nice)to throw downfield, placing the ball on the outside shoulder, not putting the receiver in harms way, looking off the defender(meaning-he telegraphs where he is passing the ball), not adjusting to the pocket collapses or moving around in the pocket to buy time, holding the ball WAY too long,moving his feet, making smart decisions to save his line of scrimmage, receivers and throwing the ball away when needed. He have overthrown or mistargeted more ball this year then I have seen. He doesn't know how to spot the open man downfield.. So I just think I have seen enough to NOW actually judge his talent and smarts as a leader on the field.


:texan:


If I didn't know any better, I'd think that I wrote that response. That pretty much sums up how I feel.

However I(like he did) acknowledge our failings as an organization, and how that has made it difficult for David to do what David needed to do. With that in mind, I would have no problems with David being our backup QB(as Vinny said, he's perfect for the role).... He should have an opportunity(hopefully next year, or the year after) to show us on the field how much he has developed......

I would have absolutely no problem with David Carr being the starting QB in Houston in the future, but he'd have to earn it the way KurtWarner earned the job in StLouis, or how Damon Huard should have earned it in KC, or how Tony Romo earned it in Dallas.... coming off the bench, and performing well, performing very well.

dat_boy_yec
12-21-2006, 05:45 PM
Honeymoon, what is it with you? Really doesn't matter to me, but when did they offer Carr 2 contracts. If I recall it's only been one contract and guess what it was extended, big difference. Also you speak of the Texans being racist at the QB position then tell me this. What race was Tony Banks? What position did he play? I see you posts and I see a hateful person who without arsenal against David rarely if ever adds anything. Also I'm not gonna waste my time owning you, but you think you know what you're talking about and it's apparent why you don't care what other's say. Talking about conspiracy theories, why do you conspire so much against Carr and have such a short memory?

Second Honeymoon
12-21-2006, 06:43 PM
Honeymoon, what is it with you? Really doesn't matter to me, but when did they offer Carr 2 contracts. If I recall it's only been one contract and guess what it was extended, big difference. Also you speak of the Texans being racist at the QB position then tell me this. What race was Tony Banks? What position did he play? I see you posts and I see a hateful person who without arsenal against David rarely if ever adds anything. Also I'm not gonna waste my time owning you, but you think you know what you're talking about and it's apparent why you don't care what other's say. Talking about conspiracy theories, why do you conspire so much against Carr and have such a short memory?

You owned me? You have been riding the Carr wagon since the dawn of time. Don't hate on the fact that I have been right all along.

Oh and Banks won football games for us during the 7-9 season. If memory serves me he was 2-2 or 2-3 that year as starter. But he wasnt the golden boy so no one even considered starting Banks for the good of the team. Carr was in the tank the 2nd half of the 7-9 season and if we had a competent QB that year we could have even made the playoffs.

Hottoddie
12-21-2006, 06:50 PM
I haven't been impressed with his ability lead a team(passion,expectations,he is too nice)to throw downfield, placing the ball on the outside shoulder, not putting the receiver in harms way, looking off the defender(meaning-he telegraphs where he is passing the ball), not adjusting to the pocket collapses or moving around in the pocket to buy time, holding the ball WAY too long,moving his feet, making smart decisions to save his line of scrimmage, receivers and throwing the ball away when needed.

I agree with these points, but feel that many of them are a result of Carr being rushed to get rid of the ball.

Carr definitely needs to lose some of his nice guy demeanor. In last week's game, when Hodgdon just slapped at his man coming up the middle (ala, P-buc) like it was rush hour on the expressway, Carr should've gotten in his face right there on the field. Carr needs to get pissed off once in a while & show some fire. A team will follow it's leader's lead. If he's fiery, they'll be fiery. If he's passive, they'll be what we currently have, a passive team. So, in that regards, I agree with your friend questioning Carr's ability to lead. You can't be a leader & have everyone like you as well. Again, Carr needs to get pissed off once in a while & show some fire.

As for the rest of his comments, I agree to some extent, but still have to defer to my original post, in that, I believe he needs more time to do his thing than some QB's. Thus, a strong OL & running game. Assuming Spencer fully recovers, we're close on the OL, & can fix the running game in this year's draft (Peterson, Lynch, or M.Bush).

thunderkyss
12-21-2006, 07:19 PM
Carr definitely needs to lose some of his nice guy demeanor. In last week's game, when Hodgdon just slapped at his man coming up the middle (ala, P-buc) like it was rush hour on the expressway, Carr should've gotten in his face right there on the field. Carr needs to get pissed off once in a while & show some fire. A team will follow it's leader's lead. If he's fiery, they'll be fiery. If he's passive, they'll be what we currently have, a passive team. So, in that regards, I agree with your friend questioning Carr's ability to lead. You can't be a leader & have everyone like you as well. Again, Carr needs to get pissed off once in a while & show some fire.



That's like the biggest misconception about leadership. It has nothing to do with getting in a guys face.... unless that's the kind of guy you are.

Some people can grab a facemask & get helmet to helmet with you, spitting in your face as he questions your manhood & your sexual practices as they relate to your mother.

& it's cool. That's just the way he talks, and he's in your face, because he wants you to be better...... he'd much rather you go to the probowl, and the team win....... he doesn't wait till you screw up to get in your face. He's on you after a run play, where you came off the ball late.... or an end around, where you didn't sell the playside fake. He's in your face the third or fourth time he's told you to do the same thing.

He's like your big brother.... only he is allowed to kick your butt.
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++
Then there's the cool guy. The smooth cat who call severybody baby. "don't worry about that dropped ball baby...... I'm coming right back at you"

"Don't worry 'bout that sack baby.... we gone make them pay right here."

"Don't worry 'bout that fumble baby...... I got you."

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++

Then you've got that 6'5" 225lb rocket arm machine.... he's just go it. he commands you to do your job.... he's so sure, and confident about what he's telling you to do, you don't question it. He's perfect, so when he asks you to be perfect..... you kinda gotta.

he might mumble something about protection problems once... but overall, he's not the belittling kind. He's paid his dues..... he's the ultimate warrior, and it's an honor to fight alongside him... you don't want to let him down, because he's very rarely let you down.
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++

If you make as many mistakes as the next guy.... it's kind of hard to correct someone on the field.... "why don't you do something about it??"

I don't know David Carr. But for one reason or another, I get the feeling that he thinks he's better than the other guys. I've known people that look like him, act like him, walk like him, talk like him, & they appear to think...... or at least act, like they are better than every body else.

I'm sure if he got in anybody's face, he'd be resented for it.


Like the Dweeb you use to pick on in highschool, who becomes a statetrooper. or the math club president who is now your boss. Or the officer straight out of Annapolis telling you how to tie a knot(if you're in the Navy that is).

CajunTexan
12-21-2006, 07:33 PM
Bingo, we have a winner! How come Palmer was the devil incarnate here, but he suddenly turns into a genius again in Dallas? He took an undrafted FA who never took a snap before, and made him into a pro-bowl alternate in one year. But, here, he was blamed for everything from the high humidity to traffic jams at rush hour. Kubiak managed to turn Jake Plummer into a pro-bowler in Denver and was considered an offensive guru, but suddenly he is dumb as rocks and doesn't know how to mold a QB. People WAKE UP ALREADY. Some of you are denser than the Rain Forest. :brickwall

Porky....Palmer had ZERO to do with Romo's development. By Romo's own addmission, that credit goes to Sean Payton and Vinny, Testeverde, that is.

Sarg01
12-21-2006, 07:57 PM
If I was the owner of the Texans and had seen Derrick Johnson play at Texas and then some position coach says he doesn't want DJ. I would have sent that dude packing. Any coach who wouldnt want DJ shouldnt even be coaching. But whatever, we got coaches that resign Carr to extended contracts and pick workout warriors time after time that amount to little or nothing (carr and babin come to mind)

I still believe we had every intention of taking Derrick Johnson in that draft, but Casserly thought he could get cute. All the signs were there - letting Sharper go for no apparent reason, tradeup rumors when DJs stock was high that vanished by the draft when it had dropped a little, staff on the Texans War Room webcam practically dancing when pick #13 came up and DJ was still on the board, Casserly saying later that he thought the Saints were trading up for Alex Barron, everyone knew that the Panthers wanted Jamaal Brown, Dick Vermeil at #15 was salivating over Thomas Davis ... but guess what, the Saints took Brown, leaving the Panthers to take Davis and the Chiefs to take DJ. Whoops! Of course, most telling of all, the same webcam filled with morose "WTH do we do now" expressions when pick #15 wass announced. Followed by the drafting of a 4-3 DT by a 3-4 team with Marcus Spears still on the board. Brilliant!

Ibar_Harry
12-21-2006, 09:56 PM
Ibar...you don't get anything deleted. You tend to get a few posts merged into other threads, but you never have anything deleted...I see everything that is deleted here and none of your posts quality for termination. Try searching your post history sometimes.

No, Vinny there is a loss at the time of post. Its an immediate problem. They appear nowhere. I'm not saying you guys are doing anything, but since I haven't been in the practice of saving before posting they would be too hard to reproduce. I have seen the problem several times and posted immediately following so there is some kind of technical problem. I really don't know if it ever reaches your site. It appears almost to be a time out problem due to the time required to build the post before posting it.

Ibar_Harry
12-23-2006, 12:39 AM
Have you noticed this week there is hardly a word about Carr in this game. I find that interesting. Now that no one is expecting anything it will be interesting to see how he performs. Can he now just relax and play his game because its over. Just a thought based on what has been happening.

I did notice we probably have one more Dayne victum and that is OD. Remember, in the end zone a couple of weeks ago when people thought Dayne had blasted OD? Ah!, I have a feeling he did. Its just like the Sage thing. It was later that it was noticed.

threetoedpete
12-23-2006, 02:24 PM
Have you noticed this week there is hardly a word about Carr in this game. I find that interesting. Now that no one is expecting anything it will be interesting to see how he performs. Can he now just relax and play his game because its over. Just a thought based on what has been happening.

I did notice we probably have one more Dayne victum and that is OD. Remember, in the end zone a couple of weeks ago when people thought Dayne had blasted OD? Ah!, I have a feeling he did. Its just like the Sage thing. It was later that it was noticed.

Thought that looked like a bit of a hip pointer at the time. He's doing as much damage to us as the rest of the nfl. They need to strap up the head gear to get the guy's eyes up. There's a reason the guy keeps his bags packed.

aj.
12-23-2006, 03:28 PM
Have you noticed this week there is hardly a word about Carr in this game. I find that interesting. .

I find it depressing. It's because most everyone is spent and beyond tired of talking or reading about it. Few care, and those that do have a pretty good idea what's in store on Sunday.

Now that no one is expecting anything it will be interesting to see how he performs.

The idea that "no one" expects anything from our $30+ million dollar QB five years in is a sad commentary on the state of this franchise. And whether you are willing to admit it or not, Carr is a major part of that sad commentary.

joeton
12-23-2006, 06:56 PM
Okay I know that I am pretty late in the game, however I would like to comment on some things from the front page. First, when Carr came to the Texans he was a damn good quarterback. Being sacked 70 times a season at least doesn't make you feel young. Plus, out of all that he has missed what three games and been sat out of one. You have to give hime credit. That being said I think that he does need to be traded, not for the team. David is a good player. I just don't see the coaching behind him. He could go to Detriot and be great. They would do anything to protect him. I continue to see a problem with the offensive line and nothing being done about it. Frankly its pissing me off. Second, I dont think that the Texans need another running back, they have a good one. They just won't let him mature this year. Wali is great, when Kubiak said that he trusted him and put him in the entire game he almost had 100 yards. You have to let the rookie mature though. That O-line will improve when we get people that can stay healthy. NOT EVERYTHING IS CARRS FAULT. This is also a rebuilding year. If we can get a good secondary pic in the draft, and maybe a decent linebacker. and our O-line stays healthy next year could be the turn around that you people with pitch forks could be looking for. So relax and drink some beer and enjoy football. We will win, its going to take some time though.

Hookem Horns
12-23-2006, 08:35 PM
VY is not a traditional drop back passer. He has to be able to free lance & make one on one plays. If he were inserted into a team that required him to sit back there & just pass the ball, I don't believe he'd be nearly as effective.



A good coach would change his scheme to match his QB's talents. That is what Fisher has done in Tennessee and that is what Mack Brown did at Texas. You always take advantage of your player's talent. It would be foolish to try to turn VY into a typical pocket passer. The Eagles made that mistake with Randall Cunningham. Cunningham was great until they tried to make him a pocket passer. He went downhill from there. My thought is if it ain't broke don't fix it.

You also mentioned Bush, the Saints are doing the same thing with him. I think they have realized that Bush isn't a traditional running back and are using him to his strengths as a receiver, getting him into the open field like the Browns did with Eric Metcalf.

Goldeagle
12-23-2006, 10:14 PM
I still stand by Carr, but the O-line needs to be fixed no matter who is back there. If Carr goes to wherever and we get the O-line in order, im fine with Sage looking like Marino.

But the Carr Haters seem to blame Carr for everything. His stats dont count, then they are crying he has 1 TD in the last 7 games.

AJs great, but unlike Carr, somehow none of his stats are from "trash" time.

Carr has the tools, but is he shell shocked? He might be better off on a team that addresses team needs that are so glaring its insane that the O-line has gotten so little attention from the FO

Napa Auto Parts
12-23-2006, 11:44 PM
I havent given up on Carr he is a great christian and a standup guy i dont care if he cant cant play QB worth a lick he has family values sure that doesnt win game but winning is only half the battle:yes: :stirpot: :sarcasm:

rafterticket
12-24-2006, 12:36 AM
Have you noticed this week there is hardly a word about Carr in this game?

Once again, I ask: Do you need to change your avatar, or do you just want Dom Capers out of football altogethter?

Goldeagle
12-24-2006, 10:58 AM
I havent given up on Carr he is a great christian and a standup guy i dont care if he cant cant play QB worth a lick he has family values sure that doesnt win game but winning is only half the battle:yes: :stirpot: :sarcasm:


Nothing wrong with that. Unless you like cheering for T.O. and Moss, who quit.

Hottoddie
12-24-2006, 03:42 PM
If you watched the game, then you saw why I haven't given up on Carr yet.

Goldeagle
12-24-2006, 03:44 PM
As Ive said. Carr has to go 30 for 30 with 350 yards and 3 TDs for some people to give him credit.

We see the team play well around him and he looks like a decent NFL QB, no mistakes, lead the team, but that wont matter to some.

Spled
12-24-2006, 04:28 PM
Assuming Kubiak wants to run a conservative run first offense, I don't see the need to get rid of Carr. Carr may not be spectacular, but he's solid and he's smart. They should just keep building up the line that will make Carr and the running game better.

HJam72
12-24-2006, 04:30 PM
Assuming Kubiak wants to run a conservative run first offense, I don't see the need to get rid of Carr. Carr may not be spectacular, but he's solid and he's smart. They should just keep building up the line that will make Carr and the running game better.

Maybe, but we can't play every team like they are the Colt's stop-the-pass-and-don't-worry-about-the-run defense.

TexanLen
12-24-2006, 04:49 PM
Some of the idiotic things said in this post is hilarious.

Race? AJ isn't a good reciever?

Where is Banks now and what team does he start for? If he was that good, why isn't he starting, better yet on an NFL roster? (If he is, nfl.com needs an update)

I guess the league is wrong about AJ being picked as a pro bowler.

How the **** is Carr the better player than AJ? AJ getting catches and yards during garbage time? Can you imagine the kind of numbers AJ would have if Carr was a good QB? I have seen Carr have time to throw just to do nothing.

IMO, which is just as valuable as the rest of them here, If they give Carr another year, ok. Draft either OL or DB. The QB draft isn't that great this year. But, if Carr doesn't do the job, pull him. Go with Rosenfelds or whomever. If AP is on the board, TAKE HIM. but just like last years draft when they didn't listen to me, i don't expect they will this time.

I do agree with the front office problems. CC is a horrible GM. (and water is wet) This years draft will say a lot of things about where this team is headed and how this new regime will do. They can't blame CC or anyone else who is no longer with the exception of the owner.

Let's see what happens. In the mean time, I will wear my texans gear and pull for this team to win just like i did after last years draft.

tsip
12-24-2006, 04:57 PM
As Ive said. Carr has to go 30 for 30 with 350 yards and 3 TDs for some people to give him credit.

We see the team play well around him and he looks like a decent NFL QB, no mistakes, lead the team, but that wont matter to some.

...sorry I haven't seen those posts---have seen posts like this one that taut 1 good game as an 'eraser' to all the ones not so good

...sit back and enjoy this game and let's hope it's not like '04 when we shut out the Jags 1 week and then had our famous 'melt down' game the following week against the Browns

...think your point will be valid if posters can not say good game--I can--and, well never mind

threetoedpete
12-24-2006, 05:29 PM
I havent given up on Carr he is a great christian and a standup guy i dont care if he cant cant play QB worth a lick he has family values sure that doesnt win game but winning is only half the battle:yes: :stirpot: :sarcasm:

Well Chistian or not, he earned his oats this game. And prooved beyond doubt...that it IS more than just his play. He has to have support via the draft for the o-line. No high sailers, no wide and rights....he was on target with the extra time. But there are none so blind who refuse to see. Can't get Vincent out of your eyes...in the end I believe the sarcasim is going to be on you. Vincent don't play for the Texans.

kfranco_utexas
12-24-2006, 05:42 PM
I have...Carr didnt do anything good except hand the ball off to Dayne....Dayne won the game.

Im shocked but im still not satisfied...Good= we FINALLY beat the Colts

BAD= DRAFT POSITIONING!!!!!!


My boy VInce is amazing to say the least, check these out

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Napa Auto Parts
12-24-2006, 07:46 PM
Well Chistian or not, he earned his oats this game. And prooved beyond doubt...that it IS more than just his play. He has to have support via the draft for the o-line. No high sailers, no wide and rights....he was on target with the extra time. But there are none so blind who refuse to see. Can't get Vincent out of your eyes...in the end I believe the sarcasim is going to be on you. Vincent don't play for the Texans.


Im not knocking on carrthis game he played and average game meaning carr managed the football game im sorry but i expect more than a poor man's trent dilfer for the 1st overall pick im sorry if my standards are too high.:stirpot: :yes: :hides:

edo783
12-24-2006, 08:12 PM
Carr had an "OK" game. Nothing to write home about, but "OK" and made a good play at the end to get the win. However, Dayne and the O-line won the game today.