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Texans Pride
12-20-2006, 07:14 PM
Just saw on NFL Total Access that Adam Schefter will be reporting new news on David Carr and his future with the Houston Texans.

Don't know what it is, but wanted to give everyone a heads up to watch Total Access, something may be reported

NFLforher
12-20-2006, 07:16 PM
Just saw on NFL Total Access that Adam Schefter will be reporting new news on David Carr and his future with the Houston Texans.

Don't know what it is, but wanted to give everyone a heads up to watch Total Access, something may be reported


Thanks! I'll be out celebrating my aniversary. Please let those of us who can't watch, know what is happening.

amazingandre
12-20-2006, 07:17 PM
Just saw on nfl network that Adam thinks he wont be back. It is not looking bright and that Kubiak def has to be thinkin of bringin in a vet like plummer as adam said and to help out when we draft a rookie qb.....just relayin info...thoughts????????

Texans Pride
12-20-2006, 07:18 PM
Ok, nothing that many haven't been saying here.

Just said that it didn't look good for Carr, that it looks as if the Texans will be moving on, possibly trading him in the off-season. He said that Kubes might pick up a veteran player (Plummer was mentioned) and let him keep the seat warm for the qb that the Texans could draft this year.

mexican_texan
12-20-2006, 07:21 PM
Plummer's coming in.

wrestler4life
12-20-2006, 07:24 PM
Plummer's coming in.

I just find it hard to think that we would take a cap hit like that. Do we want to be rid of him that bad?
I know he is not playing well, but we could have him work with the yougster, then let him go when he wont hurt us so much.

NFLforher
12-20-2006, 07:25 PM
Plummer???????

Andrew6
12-20-2006, 07:26 PM
ahhh Carr will be back next year and he will make the same mistakes over again. so.... anyone have closer psls other than 121 x lemme know

NFLforher
12-20-2006, 07:26 PM
Thanks.

Double Barrel
12-20-2006, 07:27 PM
I think Carr will be back, but on a very short leash. We'll have a beefed up o-line and a consistent running game, and if he can't produce, then we'll have someone waiting in the wings for an immediate replacement.

I hope that I'm incorrect, but I'm mentally preparing myself for this scenario.

Second Honeymoon
12-20-2006, 07:29 PM
I just find it hard to think that we would take a cap hit like that. Do we want to be rid of him that bad?
I know he is not playing well, but we could have him work with the youngster, then let him go when he wont hurt us so much.

I don't want Carr having any influence on any QB prospect we possibly bring in. Off limits with restraining order. Carr can give hand signals and hold clipboard if Kubiak wants him to but that is it, no more no less. Thinking Carr could mentor anyone as a QB is a laughable assumption and imho a huge reach.

Personally, David will be back and will probably be the backup...most expensive backup in history (most expensive backup part probably not true :yahoo: )

Vinny
12-20-2006, 07:33 PM
Carr is an ideal back up QB at the right money. He won't get in trouble and make your team look bad, won't cause a stir and badmouth anyone or talk behind the starter, doesn't risk tough throws and mainly looks for safe passes while your playmaker is injured. He would be an ideal reserve and he should have a very long career as a kicked up Trent Dilfer.

Texans Pride
12-20-2006, 07:36 PM
Could a mod please change the spelling in the title to read Adam's correct last name. It should be Schefter, not Schefner.

Thank you

HomeBred_Texan
12-20-2006, 07:40 PM
I would rather have a 7th round draft pick straight out of college than Plummer. That just doesn't make any sense to me...

Second Honeymoon
12-20-2006, 07:46 PM
I would rather have a 7th round draft pick straight out of college than Plummer. That just doesn't make any sense to me...

Plummer > Carr

jerek
12-20-2006, 07:51 PM
I think Carr will be back and will enter camp as our starter. I don't see us spending much of anything on new talent this offseason. Good news is that all of you Sagers out there should get your wish if he sucks.

mexican_texan
12-20-2006, 07:57 PM
IIRC, Plummer's in for a pay raise and has already been demoted. One guy also said that Plummer reportedly said he wanted to be back with Kubiak. Add one to one and you get two: Plummer's coming to Houston.

Second Honeymoon
12-20-2006, 08:01 PM
I think Carr will be back and will enter camp as our starter. I don't see us spending much of anything on new talent this offseason. Good news is that all of you Sagers out there should get your wish if he sucks.

Carr will probably be back. However, I think he will have to compete for the job at best and its possible they dont even let him compete.

He will be an expensive backup until someone makes us an offer for him which will probably necessitate Carr reworking his deal so that the other team will want him. I dont think anyone will offer anything of consequence for him and teams will just wait till he is cut/released unless he reworks deal so we can make him more marketable to other teams

aj.
12-20-2006, 08:05 PM
Plummer will be cut and will become a free agent. He's not starting and has a high dollar contract similar to Carr's (with three years left instead of two).

Debate the rest until y'all are blue in the face.

I think he'll be here next year with Sage - more as a stop gap than anything else.

Adam Schefter and Suzy Kolber: Separated at birth? Take note.

Grid
12-20-2006, 08:18 PM
Plummer will be fine as a placeholder for a year, even two. Hes nearing the end of his career I think, and im sure he would like to finish his career under Kubiak.

Hed be a good fit for us as a temporary solution while we groom a rookie. He would provide leadership, and a working knowledge of the system we are running.

Second Honeymoon
12-20-2006, 08:19 PM
Plummer will be fine as a placeholder for a year, even two. Hes nearing the end of his career I think, and im sure he would like to finish his career under Kubiak.

Hed be a good fit for us as a temporary solution while we groom a rookie. He would provide leadership, and a working knowledge of the system we are running.

agreed

Tulip
12-20-2006, 08:19 PM
I also expect Sage to return, Jake Plummer to be signed, and David Carr to be the odd man out. I wonder if possibly all three will be at camp, with room for only two on the regular season roster.

Dunta_23
12-20-2006, 08:21 PM
If the team brings in Plummer im sure that Carr will be traded around the draft...it wouldnt make sense for them to hang on to him longer than they should

Second Honeymoon
12-20-2006, 08:21 PM
I also expect Sage to return, Jake Plummer to be signed, and David Carr to be the odd man out. I wonder if possibly all three will be at camp, with room for only two on the regular season roster.

wow, could you imagine if Carr was put on the Practice Squad or made the emergency 3rd QB..not getting reps..hanging with the waterboy and equipment manager...

Tulip
12-20-2006, 08:25 PM
Fortunately for David, he's not practice squad eligible.

As for trading David, if the Texans can't get good enough value for him, I could see Kubiak hanging on to him through camp in order to see if David responds to real competition in a meaningful, positive way.

TexanSam
12-20-2006, 08:29 PM
Fortunately for David, he's not practice squad eligible.

As for trading David, if the Texans can't get good enough value for him, I could see Kubiak hanging on to him through camp in order to see if David responds to real competition in a meaningful, positive way.

I'm not sure what the bluebook value for Carr is though. Harrington was traded for a 6th round pick to the Dolphins last year so I would assume the Texans would get the same. I don't imagine we'd get anything higher than a 4th rounder for him. Maybe a 3rd, but I think that chance is slim.

Kaiser Toro
12-20-2006, 08:41 PM
As much as I do not like the prospect of Plummer he would be a name that our guys should be geeked about, provide the energy that gets a team going via change and someone the other team will have to gameplan for rather than exploit.

If the comments about Plummer are true, in that he wants to play for Kubiak, then we need to milk it while we have the leverage of a young QB with two years left and a "name" QB in the early twilight of his career after being demoted to a rookie the previous year.

I cannot stand Carr, but I sure as heck do not want to overpay for Plummer while eating Carr's contract. That would make as much sense as extending Carr this past offseason and the good Lord knows that one was a doozie.

Second Honeymoon
12-20-2006, 08:48 PM
As much as I do not like the prospect of Plummer he would be a name that our guys should be geeked about, provide the energy that gets a team going via change and someone the other team will have to gameplan for rather than exploit.

If the comments about Plummer are true, in that he wants to play for Kubiak, then we need to milk it while we have the leverage of a young QB with two years left and a "name" QB in the early twilight of his career after being demoted to a rookie the previous year.

I cannot stand Carr, but I sure as heck do not want to overpay for Plummer while eating Carr's contract. That would make as much sense as extending Carr this past offseason and the good Lord knows that one was a doozie.

Hopefully Carr will do the honorable thing and rework his deal so we can trade him elsewhere. I dont know if hte NFLPA would let him though.

After all the NFLPA is run like the mafia at least according to Lavar Arrington it is...
I dont think Carr wants to be sleeping with the fishes....playing for the Dolphins, now that is another story

A Texan
12-20-2006, 09:48 PM
The question is will the Texans actually let someone compete with Carr. So far, Carr has been given the QB position without ever having to compete with anyone else. It's like he was appointed for life. I don't know why any QB's would want to come here if they're not going to be given a fair chance. Rosenfels sure wasn't.

Texan1
12-20-2006, 09:53 PM
Plummer?

How many Bronco rejects are we going to sign?

Charter PSL Fan
12-20-2006, 10:00 PM
Whoever he is he won't be able to take the hits.

Texans Pride
12-20-2006, 10:27 PM
Here is a piece from McClain today:

David Carr could be playing his last two games in Houston.

Fans should know that booing Carr against the Colts and Browns won't hasten his exit out of town.

Owner Bob McNair, coach Gary Kubiak and general manager Rick Smith know how you feel about Carr. We won't know how they really feel until they have to make difficult decisions after the season.

I believe Carr needs a fresh start, the kind Joey Harrington got when Detroit traded him to Miami, where he's won five of his last seven starts.

For the full article: http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/fb/texansfront/4414854.html

edo783
12-20-2006, 10:47 PM
Texans - Carr + Plummer = Mega Cap hit

Better to Keep Carr + Sage and draft a development QB IMO. Open comp in cap and let the best man start. Otherwise I suspect we would be eating a large piece of cap crap sandwich.

Yokohama Texan
12-20-2006, 10:56 PM
Plummer?

How many Bronco rejects are we going to sign?

Amen, but that is the sad state of affairs this team is in now. When Plummer starts to sound good you know we must really be sucking. Our QB just really sucks bad. :shots:

MrMeToo
12-20-2006, 11:02 PM
At this point, I'd rather have anybody than David Carr. BRING IN PLUMMER!:yes:

BattleRedToro
12-20-2006, 11:06 PM
We'll have a beefed up o-line and a consistent running game...

I hope that I'm incorrect...

You are incorrect. The Texans won't have a beefed up O-line or a consistent running game, next year.
...its possible they dont even let him compete.

He hasn't been able to compete, yet, with the crap they have surrounded him with. Why would you expect the Texans to suddenly be able to compete next year? Even if they have a new QB and a great draft, they are still going to be bad for atleast 1 more season.

wow, could you imagine if Carr was put on the Practice Squad or made the emergency 3rd QB..not getting reps..hanging with the waterboy and equipment manager...

You'd like that, wouldn't you?

Hopefully Carr will do the honorable thing and rework his deal so we can trade him elsewhere. I dont know if the NFLPA would let him though.

Why should he rework his contract? As long as he has met his part of the agreement he is entilted to every thing that he negotiated for in that contract. I for one will never, badmouth anyone that demands the full value of their contract. That is why players have agents and negotiations with management. It is to come to an agreement, and once that contract is agreed upon as long as the player has done nothing to void his contract he has every right to expect its full value.

Also, I want to add that some of these same " experts" predicted that the Texans would draft Reggie Bush, so you should consider their track record on being able to predict what the Texans will be doing during the off-season.

ThaShark316
12-20-2006, 11:17 PM
At this point, I'd rather have anybody than David Carr. BRING IN PLUMMER!:yes:

Uh huh, we get it, yeah you too...Ok, everybody meet Mr Me Too.

Texanfan4ever
12-20-2006, 11:53 PM
Uh huh, we get it, yeah you too...Ok, everybody meet Mr Me Too.

Unbelievable. Glad ya'll aren't coaches.

Kaiser Toro
12-20-2006, 11:56 PM
Unbelievable. Glad ya'll aren't coaches.

In Texas y'all is spelled with the comma between the Y and the A. :mario:

bckey
12-21-2006, 12:07 AM
I would rather have a 7th round draft pick straight out of college than Plummer. That just doesn't make any sense to me...


I agree. Please don't bring Plummer here.

Bongo59
12-21-2006, 12:08 AM
Carr needs new digs..............

Second Honeymoon
12-21-2006, 12:37 AM
In Texas y'all is spelled with the comma between the Y and the A. :mario:

KT, is your avatar a picture of David Carr emulating Aaron Brooks? maybe they are the same guy....you never know with the special effects of today...

Double Barrel
12-21-2006, 01:39 AM
Texans - Carr + Plummer = Mega Cap hit

Better to Keep Carr + Sage and draft a development QB IMO. Open comp in cap and let the best man start. Otherwise I suspect we would be eating a large piece of cap crap sandwich.


I agree. Plummer is not the answer, and only delays the inevitable. We need to begin grooming a young QB next season.

HOOK'EM
12-21-2006, 01:42 AM
Its time for that clown (Carr) to go!

Ole Miss Texan
12-21-2006, 01:46 AM
In Texas y'all is spelled with the comma between the Y and the A. :mario:

I don't think it's called a comma.

Anyway, I am just as displeased with carr's performance as the next guy and i was against drafting vince young last season. but if we get rid of carr and take a big cap hit and we just gave him what an $8million bonus last offseason. i will be royally pissed off. that would be the dumbest thing to happen ever. nice long term planning. NOT.

With how the offseason went with carr $ wise, i don't think it was McNair's idea that, that meant we'll see how this season goes and if he continues to suck we'll get rid of him...that's wasting a lot of money.

If carr is gone, fine. plummer in, fine, sage starting while kubes grooms a young qb or the 2 backups behind sage...fine........
as long as we don't wast money doing it. don't overpay for plummer when we're not going to make the playoffs anyway, don't waste our money with carr if your just going to get rid of him 1year later.

mexican_texan
12-21-2006, 01:58 AM
In Texas y'all is spelled with the comma between the Y and the A. :mario:
Everyone else puts an apostrophe after the y. :mario:

dbspi
12-21-2006, 02:43 AM
I just find it hard to think that we would take a cap hit like that. Do we want to be rid of him that bad?
I know he is not playing well, but we could have him work with the yougster, then let him go when he wont hurt us so much.

We have taken cap hit on every other acquitions made by Casserly. In fact that is all we have been doing for the past 5 years. So why not on Carr, he is nothing special.

The way Carr has played for the Texans, he has absolutely no business being on the football field.

We don't need to look far to find out why we are the laughing stock of the league for the past 5 years. Look at all the personnel move since Texans came into the league and then see how many of them are on the team.

We went through similar Cap hit with Boselli as well. At least give Kubiak credit for recognizing it and moving forward in rebuilding the team. This team is far away from being respectable in its current state.

dbspi
12-21-2006, 02:53 AM
Carr is an ideal back up QB at the right money. He won't get in trouble and make your team look bad, won't cause a stir and badmouth anyone or talk behind the starter, doesn't risk tough throws and mainly looks for safe passes while your playmaker is injured. He would be an ideal reserve and he should have a very long career as a kicked up Trent Dilfer.

He will look good with the clip board in his hand. He could have been something special but now he is nothing more then damaged goods.

Kaiser Toro
12-21-2006, 08:06 AM
I don't think it's called a comma.

Ouch! Appreciate you and MT checking me. :mario:

HJam72
12-21-2006, 09:14 AM
Everyone else puts an apostrophe after the y. :mario:

Yeah, we-ya'll do it. :ok:

Texian
12-21-2006, 09:40 AM
Jake the Mistake...y'all are making me noxious.

rittenhouserobz
12-21-2006, 10:52 AM
I just listened to the report. He spoke in general terms, and stated that Carr would not return and a a trade could be possible. He suggested Plummer, but we may be able to get another teams backup as well through trade.

Vinny
12-21-2006, 10:55 AM
Texans - Carr + Plummer = Mega Cap hit

Better to Keep Carr + Sage and draft a development QB IMO. Open comp in cap and let the best man start. Otherwise I suspect we would be eating a large piece of cap crap sandwich.I prefer an intermediate passing game over not taking a cap hit. The cap hit won't hurt the team as much as another year of dinks and dunks, inability to read a defense and a QB that is fine with handing the ball off and letting other players win the game for him.

edo783
12-21-2006, 11:25 AM
I prefer an intermediate passing game over not taking a cap hit. The cap hit won't hurt the team as much as another year of dinks and dunks, inability to read a defense and a QB that is fine with handing the ball off and letting other players win the game for him.


Yeah, the more I refect on it, the cheap route might be the best way to go. Move Carr in what ever fashion, plan to play Sage, but pick up another lower level type of vet as insurance on injury and draft a guy that can take the team over in 1-2 years. Absorb all the cap hits & dead money over that period and we should be good to go.

Texans_Chick
12-21-2006, 11:26 AM
I just listened to the report. He spoke in general terms, and stated that Carr would not return and a a trade could be possible. He suggested Plummer, but we may be able to get another teams backup as well through trade.

A trade?

Who wants Carr's contract?

Honoring Earl 34
12-21-2006, 11:29 AM
I tell you what ... Carr and Mathis for a 2nd rd. pick .

hollywood_texan
12-21-2006, 11:49 AM
Yeah, the more I refect on it, the cheap route might be the best way to go. Move Carr in what ever fashion, plan to play Sage, but pick up another lower level type of vet as insurance on injury and draft a guy that can take the team over in 1-2 years. Absorb all the cap hits & dead money over that period and we should be good to go.

My thoughts exactly!

El Tejano
12-21-2006, 11:55 AM
I prefer an intermediate passing game over not taking a cap hit. The cap hit won't hurt the team as much as another year of dinks and dunks, inability to read a defense and a QB that is fine with handing the ball off and letting other players win the game for him.


I think your right. I think with Plummer you can open up the playbook more.

infantrycak
12-21-2006, 11:58 AM
Yeah, the more I refect on it, the cheap route might be the best way to go. Move Carr in what ever fashion, plan to play Sage, but pick up another lower level type of vet as insurance on injury and draft a guy that can take the team over in 1-2 years. Absorb all the cap hits & dead money over that period and we should be good to go.

I agree, but what is cheap? Is Plummer's market value going to be more than a couple mil a year? Will he come on a one year deal to prove himself for a bigger contract? Same questions for Garcia. If either is looking for more than 2 years or more than $4 mil I would say no way, go with Sage and not worry about it. If either will sign a one year $3.5 mil contract or two year $4.5 or so contract then IMO I'd rather have a truly experienced starter starting than a career backup who excites the fans when playing behind unpopular QB's.

thunderkyss
12-21-2006, 12:26 PM
I agree, but what is cheap? Is Plummer's market value going to be more than a couple mil a year? Will he come on a one year deal to prove himself for a bigger contract? Same questions for Garcia. If either is looking for more than 2 years or more than $4 mil I would say no way, go with Sage and not worry about it. If either will sign a one year $3.5 mil contract or two year $4.5 or so contract then IMO I'd rather have a truly experienced starter starting than a career backup who excites the fans when playing behind unpopular QB's.

Good point, if we're talking about Garcia...... but Jake?? that experience isn't doing a bit of good in Denver.....

Actually, Garcia looked pretty bad in Cleveland & Detroit...... doubt he'll look so good in HOuston.

I'd go with Sage, Carr's the back-up...... this will be his final shot.

then we've got BVP & Q to develop.......

IMHO.... I'll forgive Kubiak, if Sage can help us win, as we build this team, waiting for a great QB prospect(like Jay Cutler, or Matt Lienart) instead of grabbing someone next year, and trying to force them into a starting role in the NFL.

Sage doesn't have to be great...... all he's got to do, is help us get to 500, and buy us some time.... 1 maybe 2 season, until a real QB prospect comes up.

Vinny
12-21-2006, 12:32 PM
Plummer = Carr

They're the same guy except Plumstache is a stinky hippie and Carr is a frat boy. Either way, they're getting high and listenin' to some Widespread Panic.Plummer led his team to the playoffs twice...Cardinals and the Broncos...he can also throw the intermediate pass. His downside is the risk he takes with the ball and forces his passes too often. That is totally different than Carr's problems with his no risk, unable to read a defense, check down to the safe pass, unable to throw the intermediate pass with any accuracy, and 1 TD pass in a half a season Carr.

thunderkyss
12-21-2006, 12:42 PM
Plummer led his team to the playoffs twice...Cardinals and the Broncos...he can also throw the intermediate pass. His downside is the risk he takes with the ball and forces his passes too often. That is totally different than Carr's problems with his no risk, unable to read a defense, check down to the safe pass, unable to throw the intermediate pass with any accuracy, and 1 TD pass in a half a season Carr.

well..... yeah, but other than that they're the same guy...

and the hair thing.... and the mustache...

ib4texans
12-21-2006, 12:51 PM
Plummer led his team to the playoffs twice...Cardinals and the Broncos...he can also throw the intermediate pass. His downside is the risk he takes with the ball and forces his passes too often. That is totally different than Carr's problems with his no risk, unable to read a defense, check down to the safe pass, unable to throw the intermediate pass with any accuracy, and 1 TD pass in a half a season Carr.


I seriously doubt that Plummer can take this team to a playoff situation, nor could he have taken any of the prior incarnations of this team.

On the other hand I do believe that Carr could have taken those Denver teams to the playoffs as well.:twocents:

edo783
12-21-2006, 02:21 PM
I seriously doubt that Plummer can take this team to a playoff

I doubt that would be the expectation for him. Not that it would be a bad thing of course. Rather, to be a place holder for a year or 2 that can operate the offense reasonably compentently and perhaps help mentor the young guy. Not sure that's Jake mind you, but that is what I suspect that we will be looking for.

MightyTExan
12-21-2006, 02:56 PM
Kurt Warner?:stirpot: :hides:

Vinny
12-21-2006, 03:28 PM
I seriously doubt that Plummer can take this team to a playoff situation, nor could he have taken any of the prior incarnations of this team.

On the other hand I do believe that Carr could have taken those Denver teams to the playoffs as well.:twocents:You have that backwards....Denver could lead Carr to the playoffs since you just need to be barely over .500 to get there. Winning playoff games is another issue altogether....If you have David Carr and you are behind in any game and needed some big plays from the QB you are out of luck. At least Plummer can get the ball downfield and can read a defense.

Double Barrel
12-21-2006, 03:37 PM
I seriously doubt that Plummer can take this team to a playoff situation, nor could he have taken any of the prior incarnations of this team.

That goes for just about every QB out there, because we've been a bad team for five years straight.

On the other hand I do believe that Carr could have taken those Denver teams to the playoffs as well.:twocents:

That is truly a matter of debate.

ib4texans
12-21-2006, 05:06 PM
Originally Posted by ib4texans
I seriously doubt that Plummer can take this team to a playoff situation, nor could he have taken any of the prior incarnations of this team.

[QUOTE=Double Barrel;546881]That goes for just about every QB out there, because we've been a bad team for five years straight.Quote:
Originally Posted by ib4texans
On the other hand I do believe that Carr could have taken those Denver teams to the playoffs as well.

That is truly a matter of debate.



This is my point, as well as Vinny's staement that Denver could lead Carr to the playoffs. David Carr will never accomplish that in Houston, I don't think any QB gets as anywhere close for about 3 years.

Say what we will but Carr did play better here earlier in his career, he did pass downfield more and made better plays. His downfall at that time was trying to force things to happen, which we observed again this Sunday. Playing for this organization will always lead back to him trying to make the right decisions and making the plays to get us caught up.

He needs to be on a team that can hold onto the lead when they have it. I think AJ is agood reciever but Steve Smith is a real playmaker. He needs to go to a team that will foster him, a team that can stand on it's own without a highly productive QB(Baltimore,Chicago,Denver even the Giants)

Carr needs to go to an orginazation that will help him grow.

WWJD
12-21-2006, 05:12 PM
I don't think David will be back.

I don't think he even thinks that. On one segment of his 610 show he was even talking about the going to another team possibility and I've never heard him even say anything like that and I try to listen to him on a regular basis.

I think he knows the handwriting is on the wall.

Double Barrel
12-21-2006, 05:45 PM
This is my point, as well as Vinny's staement that Denver could lead Carr to the playoffs. David Carr will never accomplish that in Houston, I don't think any QB gets as anywhere close for about 3 years.

Say what we will but Carr did play better here earlier in his career, he did pass downfield more and made better plays. His downfall at that time was trying to force things to happen, which we observed again this Sunday. Playing for this organization will always lead back to him trying to make the right decisions and making the plays to get us caught up.

He needs to be on a team that can hold onto the lead when they have it. I think AJ is agood reciever but Steve Smith is a real playmaker. He needs to go to a team that will foster him, a team that can stand on it's own without a highly productive QB(Baltimore,Chicago,Denver even the Giants)

Carr needs to go to an orginazation that will help him grow.

yep, we're not in disagreement. :howdy:

Carr did look better - potential wise - earlier in his career. But experiencing hundreds of sacks will take that potential and condition it in a way that creates bad decision making processes, always detrimental to a solid, consistent QB.

I think Carr could succeed with a defense-dominant team, one that needs a QB to manage games within his abilities (and not lose them), but doesn't need a QB to put the game on his shoulders to win it. At this point, he's a mobile Trent Dilfer, IMO.

ib4texans
12-21-2006, 05:50 PM
yep, we're not in disagreement. :howdy:

Carr did look better - potential wise - earlier in his career. But experiencing hundreds of sacks will take that potential and condition it in a way that creates bad decision making processes, always detrimental to a solid, consistent QB.

I think Carr could succeed with a defense-dominant team, one that needs a QB to manage games within his abilities (and not lose them), but doesn't need a QB to put the game on his shoulders to win it. At this point, he's a mobile Trent Dilfer, IMO.



We're in agreement, I would say and (I hate using this word) that his potential to grow on a team of this sort could leave in the role of playmaker 3 years down the road. (I know subject for debate)

jdog
12-21-2006, 07:45 PM
I would rather keep Carr and groom a new QB than lose Carr, gain Plummer, and groom a new QB.

It seems like too much waste to me, and Plummer sucks. Besides, Kubiak would be the mentor for the new QB.

No more Bronco dung...

hollywood_texan
12-21-2006, 08:26 PM
I agree, but what is cheap? Is Plummer's market value going to be more than a couple mil a year? Will he come on a one year deal to prove himself for a bigger contract? Same questions for Garcia. If either is looking for more than 2 years or more than $4 mil I would say no way, go with Sage and not worry about it. If either will sign a one year $3.5 mil contract or two year $4.5 or so contract then IMO I'd rather have a truly experienced starter starting than a career backup who excites the fans when playing behind unpopular QB's.

I think cheap is if you have to cut the sorry SOB, you don't feel like you just got punched in the gut from the cap hit you have to take.

The numbers you put up there sound good to me.

goodnews boy
12-22-2006, 09:30 AM
Plummer?

How many Bronco rejects are we going to sign?


As long as they produce, I don't care. In the last few games, Dayne has had almost 100 yds. This was with a crippled passing attack. So if this is the Broncos South and we have a similar record, I can deal with it.

goodnews boy
12-22-2006, 10:18 AM
[QUOTE=As long as we don't wast money doing it. don't overpay for plummer when we're not going to make the playoffs anyway, don't waste our money with carr if your just going to get rid of him 1year later.[/QUOTE]

Most of our(I talk like I'm a player) big losses have come from fumbles and interceptions. If they are removed or reduced than we could have a chance of winning. We would be a close to the playoff:marionaner: