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GP
12-19-2006, 12:11 AM
The commentators during the Pats game alluded to our Texans as "having the wind taken out of our sails" after the defeat against the Titans the week beore.

They said that the Texans were not preparing at full speed on Wenesday , and that we had done a walk through.

Even before hearing this from them, I knew this team had just flown up and had "gone through the motions" instead of playing har. In fact, I suspected that Kubiak was the biggest offender of them all. It just FELT to me that Kubiak felt sorry for his players and how much emotional trauma they endured at the hands of the immortal Titans.

IMO, Kubiak has mailed it in.

IMO, Carr is done. Kubiak left him out in the cold vs. the Pats. He knowshe wants to move on without Carr, and so he's just letting stuff slide. And, IMO, Carr is feeling the same thing...knowing that he just has to move on after this season.

Kubiak's body language tells me that he's done just about as much as he thinks he could do with the crapola that was handed to him back in February.

Good job, Kubiak. Get some rest because you'll need it when the offseason hits and it's time to sleep in your office while trying to sort through how in the world you can possibly get past the blatant incompetency of Dom Capers and his staff of clowns.

threetoedpete
12-19-2006, 12:19 AM
What I heard: They said the guy is working from 7 am in the moring untill two in the morning tring to figure this thing out. Now there may be some in here, but there ain't many spending basically working on thier job nineteen hours a day.
so you want Kubes to cough up a lung for ya to prove he's comitted ? Inquiring minds want to know. Maybe it's not Kubes fault you over estimated the tallent level of this team and what the effects of lossing eleven guys to the IR list would do to the season ? I dunno what ya think there big guy ? Think the teams tallent level might of suxed just a tad there ? Tallent might have something to do with the collapse ? What cha think there Einstien ?

brewhaus
12-19-2006, 04:41 AM
IMO, Kubiak has mailed it in.

IMO, Carr is done.

Kubiak does have that look of "Is it over yet?" At this point he is probably watching how everyone is just handling themselves in the midst of this mess, and looking ahead to next year. And as far as Carr goes, what good would pulling him do now? At least with him in the game, he can maybe salvage a little something for himself, though I don't have the slightest idea what he would be salvaging.

Rightnow
12-19-2006, 07:39 AM
I think that Kubiak, just like the rest of the team, is very tired. Tired of the long hours, the injuries, and mostly the losses.

I think he, like Carr, is at a loss to how to salvage the season. I'm sure Kubiak is putting in tons of hours, is evaluating hour after hour of film, but the losses keep coming. I bet he is so sick of losing it keeps him up during the few hours he has to sleep.

I think he knew how important that Titans game was and the Texans lost it in the worst possible way. A blowout would have been better than Vince sprinting into the end zone in OT. He saw his guys put forth their very best effort in that game, and it was a very good game. I think the Texans played as hard as they possibly could, but in the end they just got beat.

I don't think he is "mailing it in," but I do think he is worn out and looking forward to the season being over.

Runner
12-19-2006, 08:00 AM
No more tap water to bottled water on the sig? It's been a tough year indeed.

johnboy
12-19-2006, 08:04 AM
What I heard: They said the guy is working from 7 am in the moring untill two in the morning tring to figure this thing out. Now there may be some in here, but there ain't many spending basically working on thier job nineteen hours a day.
so you want Kubes to cough up a lung for ya to prove he's comitted ? Inquiring minds want to know. Maybe it's not Kubes fault you over estimated the tallent level of this team and what the effects of lossing eleven guys to the IR list would do to the season ? I dunno what ya think there big guy ? Think the teams tallent level might of suxed just a tad there ? Tallent might have something to do with the collapse ? What cha think there Einstien ?

Its not how many hours you put in,its what your getting accomplished that counts. Gary needs to do something like playing other QBs. Carr sat out one quarter in five years See what the other guy has maybe the off line will play beeter. Working Ninteen hours a day is stuped (leaders delegate)

shinerbock_girl
12-19-2006, 08:10 AM
They might as well lose these next 2 to move up in the draft and get a decent pick. I'm pretty sure Colts are a given, but they may actually have a chance at the Browns.

TexanFanInCC
12-19-2006, 08:14 AM
well i dont see us beating the colts. the browns is a toss-up....they are alot better than what their record shows. they compete well.

Honoring Earl 34
12-19-2006, 08:58 AM
I wonder if Kubiak and Bob Allen are trying to run Carr out of town and the questions are scripted .

Cjeremy635
12-19-2006, 09:00 AM
Its not how many hours you put in,its what your getting accomplished that counts. Gary needs to do something like playing other QBs. Carr sat out one quarter in five years See what the other guy has maybe the off line will play beeter. Working Ninteen hours a day is stuped (leaders delegate)

Who's he going to put in? Sage is out so that leaves him with the option of Van Pelt.....gees. He's been with the team a whopping two weeks. He's the answer, why didn't they think of that option already?

cuppacoffee
12-19-2006, 10:52 AM
Who's he going to put in? Sage is out so that leaves him with the option of Van Pelt.....gees. He's been with the team a whopping two weeks. He's the answer, why didn't they think of that option already?

CJ...Haven't you noticed?.. there are several brainiacs on here who have suggested this.

Doesn't take long to figure out who has a clue and who wouldn't know where to go to buy one...unless another poster tells them.

Its called thinking..:lightbulb:...and that concept is foreign to them.

Carr will finish out the year, barring injury, and most likely will be gone next year.

Then the brainiacs can aim their venom at Rosenfels.

New coachs, new systems on O and D, roster in constant flux since training camp.

We have won more games this year than last, and things were looking up until the injury bug hit. Lots of players we were counting on are on IR.
Our lack of depth finished off this season.

So what is the problem, and what do we do?

Kubiak has mailed it in and replacing Carr will lead us to the promised land.

Yeah... right.

Some even suggesting that Mr McNair should move the team.

Sorry about the rant but the constant idiocy of some on this board has used up my allotment of patience for the next ten years.

:coffee:

OrangeCountyTexansFan
12-19-2006, 10:57 AM
I wonder if Kubiak and Bob Allen are trying to run Carr out of town and the questions are scripted .
My thoughts exactly.
:texan:

tsip
12-19-2006, 11:00 AM
Who's he going to put in? Sage is out so that leaves him with the option of Van Pelt.....gees. He's been with the team a whopping two weeks. He's the answer, why didn't they think of that option already?

Kubiak has an obligation to this team to put a QB on the field that gives us a chance of at least looking like an NFL team...saying that, why didn't he bring back Ragone.

Like many other players, Dave did not fit Kubiak's 'special' choice selection system and-like with Wand-this means that if you were a player that was here before Gary and he cuts you...you ain't coming back.

Don't bother trying to find all the negatives against Ragone including the fact he's a lefty--IMO he would have been the best choice out there as he's been a winner in Europe and he knew the team...

I'm sorry but I have some serious issues with some of the things that Kubiak does that make no sense and-IMO-do not put the team in the best position to succeed. I can only hope that these things will be a victim of Kubiak's 'learning' curve because they are not 'healthy' for the team....:brickwall :brickwall :brickwall :brickwall

kingh99
12-19-2006, 11:03 AM
CJ...Haven't you noticed?.. there are several brainiacs on here who have suggested this.

Doesn't take long to figure out who has a clue and who wouldn't know where to go to buy one...unless another poster tells them.

Its called thinking..:lightbulb:...and that concept is foreign to them.

Carr will finish out the year, barring injury, and most likely will be gone next year.

Then the brainiacs can aim their venom at Rosenfels.

New coachs, new systems on O and D, roster in constant flux since training camp.

We have won more games this year than last, and things were looking up until the injury bug hit. Lots of players we were counting on are on IR.
Our lack of depth finished off this season.

So what is the problem, and what do we do?

Kubiak has mailed it in and replacing Carr will lead us to the promised land.

Yeah... right.

Some even suggesting that Mr McNair should move the team.

Sorry about the rant but the constant idiocy of some on this board has used up my allotment of patience for the next ten years.

:coffee:


The brainiacs? The ones that sat in the stands and watched a real QB, Sage Rosenfelds, someone who can see over the line, toss strike after strike downfield in the few moments he was given a chance this year? Yeah, I'd say we are pretty smart. Of course we aren't spending every waking and sleeping minute worrying about justifying a payout to a loser. Investments go bad sometimes.

Don't be a cheapskate and make the fans pay for your mistake Mr. McNair.

Double Barrel
12-19-2006, 11:47 AM
I think we all need to get used to the idea that Carr will probably return next season. Kubiak will put a better line and RB, but I don't think we're moving him just yet. Carr will probably be on a really short leash, but I am preparing myself for the real possibility that he returns in 2007.

As far as 'mailing it in', I just saw a bad team get it's ass kicked by a good team. That's all. I don't buy anything that says Kubiak is coasting. It's not his nature.

carrlover
12-19-2006, 12:01 PM
Sad to say but i am sure you are right. I support the Texans, but I cant even watch more then 20 minutes of a game. As much as they screw up I don't want it to screw up my whole Sunday. I love them but I cant watch them, so sad.

austintexanite
12-19-2006, 12:22 PM
He better not be throwing it in, I think he would lose his players if they see that the Head Coach doesn't even care anymore. As for the team losing the last two games on purpose, I have never been a fan of losing on purpose and continue to root against that idea.

johnboy
12-19-2006, 04:02 PM
Who's he going to put in? Sage is out so that leaves him with the option of Van Pelt.....gees. He's been with the team a whopping two weeks. He's the answer, why didn't they think of that option already?

Carr plays like hes been hear about three weeks.Maybe, after working a ninteen hour day, Gary would have had a back-up QB in house. We have four wins. Why not play Van Pelt? What is going to do lose?

kcwilson
12-19-2006, 05:52 PM
HOW MANY FREAKIN' PSYCHOLOGISTS ARE ON THSI BOARD ANYWAYS?

How does any one surmise the demeanor of the Head Coach and his strategy in terms of effort by the way he is standing on the sideline in a 40-7 butt kicking...

Do you all have some sort of great power to translate 'posture' into 'work ethic' that no one else in the world has?

And you can't hide behind this 'IMO' junk. It absolutely makes no sense to insinuate that Kubiak is mailing it in. I heard nothing but tremendous feedback about his abilities upon hiring him and now the jackals are spewing garbage about his intentions by basing a pretty serious accusation on probably no more than 30 secs of television pictures of Kubiak? Bollucks!

The oh-so-I've-posted-1,391-times poster "suspected that Kubiak was the biggest offender of them all" when it came to going through the motions. Based on what!?!?!? I come here for the entertainment most of the time and here some stuff about what goes on in the local coverage because I don't live close, but the boards are turning to junk with this kind of senseless, unfounded babbling.

HJam72
12-19-2006, 05:57 PM
HOW MANY FREAKIN' PSYCHOLOGISTS ARE ON THSI BOARD ANYWAYS?


We're all psychologists here, man. Don't you have your license? :)

Runner
12-19-2006, 06:01 PM
HOW MANY FREAKIN' PSYCHOLOGISTS ARE ON THSI BOARD ANYWAYS?


There are many psychologists here. In fact, I think this whole board is some sort of sociology experiment. I think there are some posters who are running an experiment to see what they can post and how those posts effect the subjects of the test (unaware board members). I personally can't wait to read the study.

This may rival the Yale electro-shock experiment in psychological damage to the test subjects when the research is revealed.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milgram_experiment

tsip
12-19-2006, 06:57 PM
HOW MANY FREAKIN' PSYCHOLOGISTS ARE ON THSI BOARD ANYWAYS?

How does any one surmise the demeanor of the Head Coach and his strategy in terms of effort by the way he is standing on the sideline in a 40-7 butt kicking...

Do you all have some sort of great power to translate 'posture' into 'work ethic' that no one else in the world has?

And you can't hide behind this 'IMO' junk. It absolutely makes no sense to insinuate that Kubiak is mailing it in. I heard nothing but tremendous feedback about his abilities upon hiring him and now the jackals are spewing garbage about his intentions by basing a pretty serious accusation on probably no more than 30 secs of television pictures of Kubiak? Bollucks!

The oh-so-I've-posted-1,391-times poster "suspected that Kubiak was the biggest offender of them all" when it came to going through the motions. Based on what!?!?!? I come here for the entertainment most of the time and here some stuff about what goes on in the local coverage because I don't live close, but the boards are turning to junk with this kind of senseless, unfounded babbling.

First off, the fans didn't get to this point on the board by their own doing. We were led here by our HC telling us one thing in the media and doing something totally different on the field. Nowhere along the way have we been given an explanation for the contradictions--instead, we've been left to wonder why and what happened.

A forum/board exist to exchange ideas/comments/opinions among fans, with no requirement that they agree on everything. Anyone at anytime is free to leave...you don't want th hear what others have to say, leave...

What Gary has said and not said is 'compounded' by our losing--too, many of us had 'lofty' expectations for the team based on Kubiak's past experiences and what he told us--in case you forgot, Gary promised 1) to do whatever it took to win, 2) best players play, 3) aggressive style of play on the field, 4) game planning to the player's strength, etc. Kubiak never even implemented most of these things, why? After 4 yrs of Caper's BS, these were just a few of the things we were looking forward to seeing on the field...

Too, many of us have been stunned by some of the personnel decisions/cuts that have come back to haunt us-Robaire Smith,Todd Wade,Seth Wand,Dave Ragone,etc. We could use several of these players now...

I'll stop here by saying it's easy to 'second guess' and even question much of Gary's decision making because it has been inconsistent and has not produced desired results...but,again, much of the 'bad mouthing' would stop today if Kubiak didn't make promises he couldn't keep or statements he could not justify...'silence is golden,' ...would this work for Gary...

hollywood_texan
12-19-2006, 07:09 PM
I am not sure Kubiak is mailing it in, I think we still need a lot more data before we come to that conclusion.

First, we knew Kubiak had his work cut for him with regard to the talent level he inherited.

Second, now we know McNair meddles enough with personnel and decision making to make his job even more difficult.

So far, I am not really a big fan of Kubiak, but we don't know the political crap that is going on behind the scenes at Reliant. And it appears safe to assume that he probably has his fair share to deal with to say the least.

Let's give Kubiak a little more time before we say he is mailing it in because I think he is having to manage a lot more than most coaches have to manage, not to mention being a rookie head coach.

TexansSeminole
12-19-2006, 07:14 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milgram_experiment

That is an interesting experiment. I'd like to think I would be the one to not follow these orders. Realistically, I would be the one continuously shocking the person until I was ordered to stop :yahoo:.

Kidding.

texan767
12-19-2006, 07:35 PM
At least with him in the game, he can maybe salvage a little something for himself, though I don't have the slightest idea what he would be salvaging.

He just might get you some of that free coffee.
On New Year's Eve.
Maybe...

Texanfan4ever
12-19-2006, 07:46 PM
First off, the fans didn't get to this point on the board by their own doing. We were led here by our HC telling us one thing in the media and doing something totally different on the field. Nowhere along the way have we been given an explanation for the contradictions--instead, we've been left to wonder why and what happened.

A forum/board exist to exchange ideas/comments/opinions among fans, with no requirement that they agree on everything. Anyone at anytime is free to leave...you don't want th hear what others have to say, leave...

What Gary has said and not said is 'compounded' by our losing--too, many of us had 'lofty' expectations for the team based on Kubiak's past experiences and what he told us--in case you forgot, Gary promised 1) to do whatever it took to win, 2) best players play, 3) aggressive style of play on the field, 4) game planning to the player's strength, etc. Kubiak never even implemented most of these things, why? After 4 yrs of Caper's BS, these were just a few of the things we were looking forward to seeing on the field...

Too, many of us have been stunned by some of the personnel decisions/cuts that have come back to haunt us-Robaire Smith,Todd Wade,Seth Wand,Dave Ragone,etc. We could use several of these players now...

I'll stop here by saying it's easy to 'second guess' and even question much of Gary's decision making because it has been inconsistent and has not produced desired results...but,again, much of the 'bad mouthing' would stop today if Kubiak didn't make promises he couldn't keep or statements he could not justify...'silence is golden,' ...would this work for Gary...

Unbelievable.....First off, The thought that Kubiak is mailing it in as you say is ridiculous. Kubiak's promises were coming along just fine until all the injuries occurred and the line broke down. About the time that happened,. the defense came alive.

You can't win a game without players, and we didn't have the depth to overtake the injuries we acquired. If you take the emotion out of it, it is quite simple. No line, no win.

But Kubiak giving up???? I don't think so. He does look worn out, but don't count him out. He's a winner, it will happen.

Ibar_Harry
12-19-2006, 07:58 PM
First off, the fans didn't get to this point on the board by their own doing. We were led here by our HC telling us one thing in the media and doing something totally different on the field. Nowhere along the way have we been given an explanation for the contradictions--instead, we've been left to wonder why and what happened.

A forum/board exist to exchange ideas/comments/opinions among fans, with no requirement that they agree on everything. Anyone at anytime is free to leave...you don't want th hear what others have to say, leave...

What Gary has said and not said is 'compounded' by our losing--too, many of us had 'lofty' expectations for the team based on Kubiak's past experiences and what he told us--in case you forgot, Gary promised 1) to do whatever it took to win, 2) best players play, 3) aggressive style of play on the field, 4) game planning to the player's strength, etc. Kubiak never even implemented most of these things, why? After 4 yrs of Caper's BS, these were just a few of the things we were looking forward to seeing on the field...

Too, many of us have been stunned by some of the personnel decisions/cuts that have come back to haunt us-Robaire Smith,Todd Wade,Seth Wand,Dave Ragone,etc. We could use several of these players now...

I'll stop here by saying it's easy to 'second guess' and even question much of Gary's decision making because it has been inconsistent and has not produced desired results...but,again, much of the 'bad mouthing' would stop today if Kubiak didn't make promises he couldn't keep or statements he could not justify...'silence is golden,' ...would this work for Gary...

Its amazing that no reporter ever asks Kubiak about this. The Oakland game was a very good game to talk about game planning. To begin with they are almost the worst team in the league against the run. Oakland's strength on defense was its play against the passing game. What did we do, but come out and try to pass the ball. We didn't even test their run defense. If you follow Kubiaks stategy you must run the ball to make the passing game work. If that's the case, why did he game plan the way he did?

I have been stating for sometime that I'm totally mistified by what we are seeing out of our coach. What he says and does are two entirely different things. To me the biggest debacle was the Wand decision. Wand got on Gary's list and that was all there was too it.

Mathis is on his list also, but was protected to a certain degree by his injury and Maricano. All you have to do is go back and listen to Kubiak after Mathis had the key return. He said he had been told about Mathis's ability, but he really didn't believe it. Kubiak is still having problems with Mathis, because Kubiak's players need to fill multiple roles and Mathis doesn't at the present time. While I'm not completely sold on a lot of issues with respect to Mathis there is no way in you know what that I would get rid of him. He's one of the few positives on this ball club right now.

It would appear that if Kubiak doesn't like you it doesn't matter what your skills are or how you perform. I think people are starting to learn to distrust him and know enough to keep their mouth shut. Again, when he was hired I did not think of him in this way, in fact, I thought just the opposite. To me the most important disappointment in Kubiak is his divergance from what he said he was and how he said he was going to do things. I had very high hopes for Kubiak and the team. I know longer feel that way, but I must admit everytime I watch a news conference by him I get charmed into believing what he is saying. But then when game times roles around you see the real Kubiak.

I kind of laugh, because even he responded on Monday by saying time is running out for the young RB to appear in a game. To me either Kubiak doesn't like the young man or he knows that the O-line and blocking is so bad that he might do the young man a disservice by playing him.

My problem with all of the bad evaluation of Carr is based on the running game. When we went to the zone blocking scheme two years ago we knew we were committed to a running game and that blocking scheme is not designed to protect a pocket passing QB. If you listen the teams are defensing us to keep Carr in the pocket. If you listen to Kubiak one of the ways to stop that is by running the ball well. If you take what he says to be true, then I think you would really begin to question why he did what he did with the play calling in the NE game. What I'm trying to say is this. If we were running the ball extremely well and Carr was having the problems he's having then I would say forget it. The truth is though our line can not consistantly block for the running game. To me there is something very basically wrong with the offense and it centers around the O-line play regardless of what part of the offensive game you are talking about. Its not all Carr.

Is Kubiak like Capers? Capers could diagram plays and tell you what you should do, but under gaming conditions his mind exploded. Is the same thing happening to Kubiak? I've said for some time I don't like his play calling. I've also said I really don't think he sees what Carr is seeing on the field.

There are too many tipped passes which would imply the passing lanes - which need to be open given the size and height of today's NFL players - are not open. Arching a short pass is not the best way to achieve the completion. If you arch it you give the defense too much time to respond. The short pass needs to be a bullet to give the offensive player time to make a move. Carr is throwing all of his passes a lot softer this year. The defense has more time to react. That was not the way Carr delivered the ball in college. Even Elway was commenting during the Colorado State game how Carr could put the ball on a frozen rope to his receiver and that gave the receiver the opporunity to make a move. I believe this is on Kubiak, not Carr.

thunderkyss
12-19-2006, 08:33 PM
Carr plays like hes been hear about three weeks.Maybe, after working a ninteen hour day, Gary would have had a back-up QB in house. We have four wins. Why not play Van Pelt? What is going to do lose?

It's difficult for many to understand... but it makes no sense to play VanPelt, unless David is hurt. Win or lose, there are some important lessons for David to learn while he is on the field.

Winning is not, & has not been the main priority here. We're building a winning football team, and we aren't taking any shortcuts.

That team will be built around David Carr , the running game, & the Defense......

Right now, there is nothing David can do that will cost him his job.

tsip
12-19-2006, 08:42 PM
Unbelievable.....First off, The thought that Kubiak is mailing it in as you say is ridiculous. Kubiak's promises were coming along just fine until all the injuries occurred and the line broke down. About the time that happened,. the defense came alive.

You can't win a game without players, and we didn't have the depth to overtake the injuries we acquired. If you take the emotion out of it, it is quite simple. No line, no win.

But Kubiak giving up???? I don't think so. He does look worn out, but don't count him out. He's a winner, it will happen.

...still can't read? I never said Kubiak was packing it in...just giving reasons for fan frustration. Too, many of Kubiak's promises never were started--give me a few examples of some that were...any?

Charter PSL Fan
12-19-2006, 08:46 PM
Kubiak, You hired out now git it!

Napa Auto Parts
12-19-2006, 09:10 PM
IMO, Kubiak has mailed it in.

IMO, Carr is done. Kubiak left him out in the cold vs. the Pats. He knows he wants to move on without Carr,



I got that feeling during the game i mean after four picks who cares who your back up is you throw him out there to the wolves but i think coack kubiak was sending a message to bob mcnair on how sad of a qb david carr is just letting him out there to fail.

thunderkyss
12-19-2006, 09:27 PM
Its amazing that no reporter ever asks Kubiak about this. The Oakland game was a very good game to talk about game planning. To begin with they are almost the worst team in the league against the run. Oakland's strength on defense was its play against the passing game. What did we do, but come out and try to pass the ball. We didn't even test their run defense. If you follow Kubiaks stategy you must run the ball to make the passing game work. If that's the case, why did he game plan the way he did?

I don't get what you are saying. Our first three plays from scrimmage were run plays. 4 out of the 9 plays on that drive were runs...... the 5 pass plays were the short passes that you say are equivalent to a run.... we basically ran the first 9 plays of the game.......

Are you suggesting that we do not ever throw the ball against a team that is poor against the run??

Never run the ball against a team that is poor against the pass??


I have been stating for sometime that I'm totally mistified by what we are seeing out of our coach. What he says and does are two entirely different things. To me the biggest debacle was the Wand decision. Wand got on Gary's list and that was all there was too it.

I think Wand & Robaire are gone because they didn't like David.

Mathis is on his list also, but was protected to a certain degree by his injury and Maricano. All you have to do is go back and listen to Kubiak after Mathis had the key return. He said he had been told about Mathis's ability, but he really didn't believe it. Kubiak is still having problems with Mathis, because Kubiak's players need to fill multiple roles and Mathis doesn't at the present time. While I'm not completely sold on a lot of issues with respect to Mathis there is no way in you know what that I would get rid of him. He's one of the few positives on this ball club right now.

I think it was because of his immaturity, and poor attitude towards authority.

My problem with all of the bad evaluation of Carr is based on the running game.

I believe this is on Kubiak, not Carr.

I believe you're just having a difficult time coming to grips with the fact that David can't handle the game mentally(right now...... he can't do it. He may have been able to do it in 2002, or 2003, but he can't handle it now.)

The game planning...... has been designed to help David feel comfortable. The play calling & predictablitiy of the offense has all been based on what makes David feel comfortable.

yourfavoritetexan42
12-19-2006, 10:16 PM
thats the kind of crap that pisses me off...personel this personel that...screw personel. You have some of the top football athletes in the world on your team, no matter how many injuries you can get the job done. come up wiht a game plan and fight...go down fighting...dont go down bent over with your cheeks spread. Because that is exacty what we looked like sunday and I am tired of watching us do that.

Double Barrel
12-19-2006, 10:25 PM
We're all psychologists here, man. Don't you have your license? :)

I'm not a psychologist, but I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night. :howdy:

Texanfan4ever
12-19-2006, 10:29 PM
I have to say that it did appear during the NE game, that Kubes threw David under the bus. I was watching the game with a knowledgeable football person who hasn't kept up with our team, and he basically said it looked like the plays were designed to make the QB look bad. I didn't believe it at the time, chalked it up to he didn't know the team, but WHY didn't Kubiak adjust when it was all going wrong?

VY's Crib U Jus payn Rent
12-19-2006, 10:40 PM
The commentators during the Pats game alluded to our Texans as "having the wind taken out of our sails" after the defeat against the Titans the week beore.

They said that the Texans were not preparing at full speed on Wenesday , and that we had done a walk through.

Even before hearing this from them, I knew this team had just flown up and had "gone through the motions" instead of playing har. In fact, I suspected that Kubiak was the biggest offender of them all. It just FELT to me that Kubiak felt sorry for his players and how much emotional trauma they endured at the hands of the immortal Titans.

IMO, Kubiak has mailed it in.

IMO, Carr is done. Kubiak left him out in the cold vs. the Pats. He knowshe wants to move on without Carr, and so he's just letting stuff slide. And, IMO, Carr is feeling the same thing...knowing that he just has to move on after this season.

Kubiak's body language tells me that he's done just about as much as he thinks he could do with the crapola that was handed to him back in February.

Good job, Kubiak. Get some rest because you'll need it when the offseason hits and it's time to sleep in your office while trying to sort through how in the world you can possibly get past the blatant incompetency of Dom Capers and his staff of clowns.

You mean Boob McLoser and his staff of clowns with him as the owner you will be losers forever Kubiak is just a lap dog...

Runner
12-19-2006, 10:57 PM
That is an interesting experiment. I'd like to think I would be the one to not follow these orders. Realistically, I would be the one continuously shocking the person until I was ordered to stop :yahoo:.

Kidding.

The most interesting part of the study was the aftermath. Many of the test subjects required psychological counseling afterwards. This was a very famous study, as was the Stanford Prison Experiment.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanford_prison_experiment

To stay vaguely on topic, I don't think the results of studying this board would reach such heights. :)

GP
12-19-2006, 11:50 PM
Kubiak desires to win.

He felt he could win with Carr.

I think he NOW knows that it's going to be MORE difficult for him and his team to win WITH Carr than without him.

I do not buy into the theory of some who are saying that he purposefully diagrammed plays to make Carr look as bad as he could. I think he just didn't care to (A) Prepare as normal during the week leading up to the Pats game, and (B) Spend his time and energy trying to solve the puzzle known as Belichick.

I have been slammed by a few who are saying that I am accusing Kubiak of being a dog. I don't think he's a bad coach...I just think he's smart enough to know when he needs to chill and relax.

His expressions, his mood, his demeanor, and the culmination of poor gameplanning and poor adjustments, have led me to believe that he's tired of swimming upstream with THIS YEAR'S team.

There's nothing wrong with "taking a day off," because it's along the same lines of a retail store doing poor business on a day when the roads are iced over and nobody is out driving the streets and therefore cannot get to the store. The boss doesn't fire the store clerks...he understands that it's going to be a slow day. That's what I'm picking up from Kubiak: It's the end of the season, he's ready to gear down and not get so emotionally wrapped up in what basically amounts to meaningless games.

Now if you think that's a big crime, and thus I need to be called a goat for it, then so be it. I don't like it, and I don't condone it. But it's happening. The guy is ready to go onto the nest step, and the next step is bunkering down with this year's game film and closely evaluating EVERY player for his efforts this season...and then he's gotta' bunker down and evaluate draft prospects after that or in the midst of breaking down current players' performances. It's a drain on a person, and I think he's just moving onto that sort of thinking right now.

If YOU are the head coach and you've done all you can do with drafts and trades and acquisitions, and THIS is what you have received for it--a 4-10 record-- then I say that it's understandable if he was going through the motions in the Pats game.

It's like this: I don't excuse it, but it's UNDERSTANDABLE if he's kinda' mailing it in right now.

Not excusing it, just saying that it's understandable considering the circumstances he's been dealing with.

I wouldn't be surprised if we see another offseason and training camp filled with even MORE roster turnover...it's going to look like a blood bath by the time he gets done. IMO, he's going to continue to be ruthless in how he evaluates, acquires, trades, releases, signs, etc. He knows what he wants, he knows what's out there at the time he needs something, and I think he's done a pretty good job of fielding a better team than Capers had.

The Spencer injury was the back breaker for our team's morale, IMO. I even think it took a lot of steam out of Kubiak, too.

That's why I say "Good job, Kubiak."

Thank you for at least 2 more wins than we had last year. And I think you can pull off another great draft for us. A few good drafts, some savvy free agency acqs, and a little luck can do wonders.

Go Texans,

HJam72
12-20-2006, 07:37 AM
I have some serious questions about some of the cuts and one trade, but I do believe that Kubiak's roster moves will continue to improve (as he has fewer Capers era players to be biased against) and his draft was excellent, barring pick #1 which could still turn out to be closer than we think. There is some playcalling that I find very questionable, but these things are much easier to get away with when your team is good.

I don't believe for one second that Kubiak would mail it in or purposely make Carr look bad, and I don't really think he's given up (somewhat understandably) either. I do wonder (not know at all) if Kubiak is a much better QB coach than he is a guy who can get the offense to do what a QB needs it to do. Even if that were true though, Sherman ought to know a thing or two about that. I still wonder also if Kubiak's and Sherman's styles of offensive coaching aren't clashing in terms of collaborative success (not not getting along with each other).

I also wonder what I could do if I had two couches and Carr and Kubiak each took one... :jk:

hobie
12-20-2006, 07:49 AM
Classic post from someones opinion....like a-holes, we all have em. But, do you know Gary, did you talk to his wife, did Mr. McNair email you that information?? No....And you say he's mailed it in..

Ladies and Gentlemen - Looks like we have another stupid, baseless thread..

Happy Wednesdsay

tsip
12-20-2006, 10:18 AM
It's difficult for many to understand... but it makes no sense to play VanPelt, unless David is hurt. Win or lose, there are some important lessons for David to learn while he is on the field.

Winning is not, & has not been the main priority here. We're building a winning football team, and we aren't taking any shortcuts.

That team will be built around David Carr , the running game, & the Defense......

Right now, there is nothing David can do that will cost him his job.

JMO, TK, you've had some 'nice' posts on this board but this is not one of them. First, I'm not sure what this team is or is not building. Kubiak started off his first press conference by saying it was all about winning, and he would do whatever it took to win 'one game at a time.'

He also said winning was all about the team--offense/defense/special teams playing well together...it was not about one individual. We can only hope he lives up to that and doesn't build this team around Carr, as that is a 'losing' scenario.

JMO, but we never should have based our winning this year on Caper's worse year...maybe his 3rd. Heck, as a 'newbie', we won 4 games--why look at a 2 win season as our gauge for progress...Think about it. Yeah, we doubled our wins from the worse record in '05...so what? Where's the foundation we're suppose to have started for our future? Please, tell me what we want to carry forward with us going into '07...

"Winning is not, & has not been the main priority here. We're building a winning football team, and we aren't taking any shortcuts."

Sorry, this statement is 'sad' and makes no sense 'what so ever.' Some where/some how, we've 'crossed' over into the twilight zone! Our team exist in a 'realm' where its success/failure is determined by wins and losses...so far, we've done virtually nothing to win except 'lip service...

As the great coaches like Belechick have said, the focus is on one game at a time and doing whatever it takes to win that game. Then, as the victories stack up, you've developed a bigger picture--a winninseason/play offs/a super bowl. The Pats have the best record in the NFL over the last 5 yrs...

Kubiak had it right from the first day--win, one game at a time--but somewhere/somehow he's gotten 'distracted/off course...."

threetoedpete
12-20-2006, 11:03 AM
'There is a fifth dimension, beyond that which is known to man. It is a dimension as vast as space and as timeless as infinity. It is the middle ground between light and shadow, between science and superstition. It is the Bull Pen zone.
:tease:

kcwilson
12-20-2006, 11:54 AM
JMO, TK, you've had some 'nice' posts on this board but this is not one of them. First, I'm not sure what this team is or is not building. Kubiak started off his first press conference by saying it was all about winning, and he would do whatever it took to win 'one game at a time.'

He also said winning was all about the team--offense/defense/special teams playing well together...it was not about one individual. We can only hope he lives up to that and doesn't build this team around Carr, as that is a 'losing' scenario.

JMO, but we never should have based our winning this year on Caper's worse year...maybe his 3rd. Heck, as a 'newbie', we won 4 games--why look at a 2 win season as our gauge for progress...Think about it. Yeah, we doubled our wins from the worse record in '05...so what? Where's the foundation we're suppose to have started for our future? Please, tell me what we want to carry forward with us going into '07...

"Winning is not, & has not been the main priority here. We're building a winning football team, and we aren't taking any shortcuts."

Sorry, this statement is 'sad' and makes no sense 'what so ever.' Some where/some how, we've 'crossed' over into the twilight zone! Our team exist in a 'realm' where its success/failure is determined by wins and losses...so far, we've done virtually nothing to win except 'lip service...

As the great coaches like Belechick have said, the focus is on one game at a time and doing whatever it takes to win that game. Then, as the victories stack up, you've developed a bigger picture--a winninseason/play offs/a super bowl. The Pats have the best record in the NFL over the last 5 yrs...

Kubiak had it right from the first day--win, one game at a time--but somewhere/somehow he's gotten 'distracted/off course...."

So how has Kubiak not lined up to this "not about one individual"? On offense, he has tried virtually all combinations of RB, he has benched Carr when he needed to win, his backup QB is gone in the midst of the QBs worst slump and only has a man with two weeks experience ready to play, he has given rookies a chance to start, he has given multiple TEs and WRs a chance to play and touch the ball, the DE rotation has been good with Mario, Babin, Weaver and Peek all getting a chance to play, even Kalu. Carr right now gives him the best chance at winning, and he needs to develop more., so he is getting playing time.

In terms of carrying this team forward into 2007, we arguably had one of the best overall drafts this year.

Mario at DE is underperforming, but has talent to make an impact... DeMeco, enough said, Spencer like many have said has the makings of a great LT, and Winston probably is best served moving to G, Owen Daniels is a legit pass catching threat... the jury is out on Anderson and Lundy.

We have good depth on the DE position with Babin and Kalu turning in good performances when on the field. There are/were continue to be a lot of holes to fill, left over from Capers (secondary, CB, OLBs)

Anyone that thought that this team could magically turn the corner in 1 offseason(as someone predicted 13-3 on this board earlier... why I don't know) is tremendously myopic. talent top to bottom is not there but we made great strides in solidifying some young talent. That is what you should be excited for in 2007. Plus our GM gets his first off season finally to bring in talent, so we should see some tremendous roster turnover - at some key positions like CB, S, OLB, OL, and RB.

GP
12-20-2006, 01:01 PM
Classic post from someones opinion....like a-holes, we all have em. But, do you know Gary, did you talk to his wife, did Mr. McNair email you that information?? No....And you say he's mailed it in..

Ladies and Gentlemen - Looks like we have another stupid, baseless thread..

Happy Wednesdsay

Well, Merry Christmas to you, too.

Nice of you to not even make any sort of topical response to the thread. I don't have to "know" anybody to get permission to post what I "think" on this message board.

Just as you do not need permission to post a personal slam against me when you're not even in the discussion at all.

Happy New Year, too, while I'm at it.

texans83
12-20-2006, 02:01 PM
I think the texans dont stand a chance against the colts but the browns im giong to say it could go either way. I look foward to this offseason and what all kubes can get us in both the draft and in free agency, there are some real good looking OL in free agency im just wondering if they are going to try and take any of them. What do you all think? Does anybody know if davis is going to be coming back? Take care and have a happy holidays and a happy new year.

sleepwalker
12-20-2006, 02:09 PM
Carr is going to stay another yr...Kubes was hired to fix Carr and we are just going to have to deal with it 1 more year.